Since no one else is doing it
/meg/- Military Enlistment General
>Babby edition
>Discord
https://discord.gg/0y3eBT2ji4rHI4TM
>IRC Channel
>implying anyone uses IRC
#MEG on Freenode
If you're on mobile look up AndroIRC for the app. Any questions, ask in the thread to get you set up.
Resources:
>Armyranger.com
For Ranger info, obviously.
>http://www.sealswcc.com/
SEAL/SWCC site with videos and fitness plans and a forum
>Shadowspear.com
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
>Professionalsoldiers.com
For all Army SF info.
>http://www.corpsman.com
For Navy Corpsman info.
>http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?115180-MARSOC-Force-Recon
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
>http://www.uscg.org
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
>www.defencejobs.gov.au/
For info on the Australian Defense Force, and how you can shitpost on the world stage.
>https://www.airwarriors.com/community/
Naval Aviator forum with info on Navy OCS as well
OP template
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Before you ask a question, check the FAQ
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Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
http://strawpoll.me/6764857 (embed)
Ask questions, get advice from retards on how to lie on the poly, bitch about recruiters, accuse each other of stolen valor, just keep it in this general.
I want to work with intelligence but I don't have a citizenship yet. How fucked am I?
>>30482286
Completely, because they don't issue security clearances to non-citizens.
>>30482515
Figured as much. Mostly want to work with something involving radio and signals intelligence sounded like something that would suit me. But I won't be able to be a citizen until after i join the armed forces so that's a problem. I should just talk to a recruiter about what i could potentially qualify for but i just moved here so i haven't had time to talk to anyone yet.
Say I enlist as 18X when I'm 26, which will be around the time I graduate from uni (23 now).
>inb4 too much cowadoodee
I'm really athletic and got a shitload of time to prepare.
After my contract ends, which I assume will be 6-year, but preferably 4-year but I don't know if thats possible with 18X...
Will I still be able to commission as an officer at that age (32+)? Is it waiverable?
Opinions on Officers that were former Enlisted?
>>30482607
I know a lot of officers to switch over from enlisted in their 30s, if they were shitty as enlisted then they're shitty as officers but if they were good as enlisted then they're good as officers.
No real general opinion on those who go green to gold
>>30482241
Besides the OP, do you guys have any other good free asvab study guides online? Videos would be cool too.
>>30482654
If you've ever taken a test before in your life then you're fine for the ASVAB, I read that ASVAB for dummies book like 2 days before taking it and did well enough
>>30482654
Focus on time management and calculating quickly with pen and paper. Don't get stuck on questions for too long, time yourself and if you can't figure it out then move on to the next one. Easiest way to lose a lot of points is to waste time on one question and then be forced to rush a lot of questions you probably would have been able to answer correctly if you weren't sloppy.
whats the military police like? specifically army, but other branches interest me too
>>30482974
Pretty shitty from what I hear from MPs, you work shitty shifts, don't get a lot of holidays off, and when you get out the civilian police side avoid hiring you
>>30483010
really? that sucks because i'd like to become a cop after im done with the military, figured MP's will have the upper hand when it comes to police jobs in the civilian world
19K in a few days hope I didn't fuck up
>>30483042
You fucked up pretty bad being honest with you, tankers are useless and you'll probably just become a surplus soldier working in a random job when you finish training
>>30480240
I wish theyd just put pic related in the sticky.
Also do a pwerlifting program. Strong lifts 5x5 is for beginners.
>>30480693
Interesting.
>>30480704
So they kept it in there back pocket just in case? Wouldnt that mean that they have dirt on literally every single sailor on base casue id bet my life every 20 something year old man was looking at porn.
>>30480743
>>30480800
Wrong
>What are warrants and LDOs
>>30480728
>>30480753
later in your career theres a chance
>>30482607
>Opinions on Officers that were former Enlisted?
Hit or miss jsut like anything else. Some are awesome some suck ass. People are people no matter where you are in life. The military si no different.
>>30483032
Yeah the civilian police don't really like MPs much because their training and how to deal with situations is different so it's harder to retrain an MP and get them to stop doing something they've been hardwired to do for 4+ years than teach someone new how to do something
what is it like to be in armor? i'm looking to sign up for the Armored Cav here in Australia, and i want to know what it feels like and what to expect.
>>30483042
>>30483064
I don't know what this faggot is talking about. Tankers can get good job as heavy machinery mechanics making $75k starting. Know one that got a job at caterpillar.
>>30483074
>harder to retrain an MP and get them to stop doing something they've been hardwired to do
like what?
>>30483067
What pic related? Did you forget to post it.
>>30482974
From my understanding you spend a lot of time standing around at checkpoint looking at ID's, sometimes wrangle drunk people and everyone hates you. Joining as an MP also comes with the risk of being reassigned to internment specialist which means you'll spend 4 years as a prison guard and want to kill yourself every day.
>>30483032
Yeah i want to be a cop afterwards too, but like someone else pointed out being an MP is actually seen as negative in civilian LE. I guess MPs way of resolving conflict doesn't translate well to dealing with civilians. And you qualify to be a police regardless of your MOS, so it seems like the smartest move is to find something you could enjoy doing for 4 years and then you can apply to be a police afterwards regardless.
Guys, I tried to join under Intel, but they told me they aren't looking for more Intel guys.
What are other alternatives?
I have a degree. I'm smart (as smart as a guy can be that still wants to join the Forces).
What are alternatives to Intel?
>>30483102
That's if you actually end up doing your job maybe, I know four 19Ks and 3 ended up being armorers and one worked in S3
>>30483105
MPs generally are authorized and trained to immediately escalate conflicts and use force/power/intimidation/etc to force someone to back down.
That doesn't fly very well in the police force where any random shmuck can sue a police department and get millions because he got his face slammed at mach 5 into a police car.
>>30483067
>>30483107
Ya my bad
>>30483125
What branch did you try? Air force?
>>30483171
>Air force?
Yes, actually.
My pa was AF.
He's always said that Air Force was the way to go.
You can either sit comfy in an office, or you can volunteer for field work.
The choice is yours in the Air Force.
Is Intel more demanded in other branches?
>>30483191
Air Force recruiters are really lazy since they're cutting back the hardest and everyone tries to join them, you can try the other branches
i want to go to poland. which branch and which mos?
>>30483191
>Is Intel more demanded in other branches?
Well id say AF is 2nd for intel. Navy is known for having the best id say. All the CTx rates in the navy are top notch you really cant go wrong and if you can snag a CTN contract thats literally the best intel rate in the whole military.
See>>30483208
Dont give up just try another branch. If your heart is set on intel go Navy.
>>30483153
Not same anon but I pretty much had the same plan. MP for Army and do law enforcement after.
So what other things would help me if MP doesn't? Just go straight into being a cop?
>>30483216
Army most likely, and some MOS they actually have in Poland, like 11B, which they have pretty much everywhere.
You have a dream sheet you fill out.
3 places overseas
3 places stateside
The Army places you where your MOS is needed most at that time. You can always call your branch manager to request assignment but that base will have to have your MOS.
>>30483253
I heard law enforcement like to hire former infantry a lot but I'm guessing any MOS other than MP is fine
>>30483268
what if im fluent in the language? both my reading and writing is top notch. There is no guarantee that i go there, right?
>>30483290
Yeah pretty much, I'm half Polish myself but the Navy won't magically whisk me away to Poland just because I want to be there.
>>30483290
Fuck no, there's like a 1% chance you would go to Poland even if you request it. The closest that you would get is Germany since that's a pretty common duty station
>>30482607
The physical is just a small portion of the 18 series. You need to be an alpha. A modest alpha that can follow and execute smoothly but at a moment's notice be able to take lead and accomplish the mission..... while maintaining good morale. The Q course is no joke son. Have seen many tough dudes break. Lack of sleep leading to mental fits... Or a dude breaking an ankle on a late night ruck. Spent 10 years in. Was a blast through and through. Partied in Europe for a few years. Played in the sandbox for a few years. Got out though because Uncle Sam turned into Uncle Sauron. Fuck the jews that run this world. Was a Doc. Can answer a few questions if I dont ADD elsewhere
>>30483042
Blowing shit up is fun. Dont listen to that faggot. You can do anything when you get out. There is a dude in Texas... owns a company called indoorharvest. Vertical areo/hydroponic farming. Met him in Iraq. We were both deployed in th same company. I was a medic, he was a tanker. Now he is.... financially comfortable.
>>30483352
>Got out though because Uncle Sam turned into Uncle Sauron.
Assuming you arent lying please elaborate on why you got out.
This is the tank that ran over ^^
Notice the brain matter..
>>30483417
So I'm part of a Task Force... TF20 (later redesignated to TF121 because we dundidfukup)
Raiding with my unit was standard. Raiding with the task force was mob style shit. End the bloodline... Pic related. That, as a medic, kinda chaffed me. Then we do these things called Ice missions. The pallet in the next pic is 400 million worth of USD. There was more than one pallet....
>>30483352
Good shit man...
I'm the guy you're replying too btw.
I see you carried a handgun, isn't that rare?
Did you do the Q course yourself? 18D? I wanna do 18C.
>>30483457
Damn homie, spoiler that shit (I don't know if you can, actually)
Do you suffer from PSTD? If so, how do you cope?
>>30483457
kek, I hope they bled out slow
>>30483457
So this money... Two 52 ft flatbeds worth of pallets head Down HWY 8 (RTE Irish) to a vault. The money is met by a dude name Al-Sadr and his entourage. A short time later... This newly formed milita has some fun. Mahdi Uprising April 2004. Was a fun thing to deal with. The leader of this uprising? Al-Sadr....
Working with this task force had some cool perks. Seeing new tech and what not. The real way we found Saddam was by using a DARPA program called lifelog. Congress shut it down in 04 after Saddam was caught because it was a huge no no. You might know it under it's new name. PRISM. DARPA closed the program and handed it over. So technically they listed to congress and closed the research on it.
>>30483457
>>30483513
Neat but whyd you get out though? Also did you get re-enlistment bonuses if so how much?
>>30483457
What the fuck did you think war was going to be about sizzle dick?
You think we were just going to go into a barbarous shit hole full of cave men and shit out rainbows and candy then all the bad guys would just lose?
>>30483495
>I see you carried a handgun, isn't that rare?
Not at all. This pic was a Cav Scouts layout. The drver will have a 9, as will the BC (Bradley Commander) Hard to stick a rifle out of a hatch if CQC is to occur on your vehicle. I had one on my hip as well as a doc. Had a rifle as well.
>Did you do the Q course yourself? 18D? I wanna do 18C.
No. I was offered a slot more than once but declined. I was content being a line medic. I worked with some operators in Iraq, and then again stateside years later. Had a few friends try for SF. A few made a few not, so I heard all their stories. Then when I ran a Team in the ER half the Doctors we all prior SF as were a couple RN. IT was the ER at BAMC will all SF medics have to do a rotation. The PA program there helped us trained them. Our man power was limited as we had to run training programs while running an active level 1 trauma center ER. Was fun.
>>30483457
>This is totally believable
http://randomarchive.com/board/b/thread/687372761#p687386601
>>30483572
Got out because my life is worth giving in defense of my American brothers and sisters... but I will not risk my life making some jew family richer than they already are.
Reenlisted once... Chose duty station over cash bonus. Wanted to finish at least 8 years so when the draft happens I'll be exempt.
>>30483588
Derp. I think raping and killing children is the beesnees. stfu faggot. Fucking keyboard warrior.
>>30483634
Been posting these pics since 2010... 2009 Not sure. Shit it's on liveleak too. I probably posted it in that thread. Have posted on /pol as well.
>>30483457
what a total load of shit
fuck off child
>>30482241
Thinking about going 11A, would there be a better officer position in the army or am I making the right choice? What'd be the day to day like? Where would I be stationed?
>>30483744
You can literally be stationed anywhere, a lot of people go 11A because it's the fastest way to get promoted in the officer field and it's one of the top choices for recruits
>>30483729
Shut your dick hole.
You will never know this feeling.
>tfw you though sleeve rolling would look cool but it ends up being shitty because of the velcro shoulder patches and it barely helps with being hot
Fuck this gay shit
>>30483817
The ACUs were shit. I'd hate to try on the crap I see them wear today. I like the pattern but not sure there are as comfortable as the summer BDUs were.
>>30483852
I hated the ACUs but I like the multicams, they're pretty comfy. Not a big fan of the OCPs though
>Find out I'm descended from the father of modern landmines, Gabriel J. Raines
>Going EOD
Probably doesn't belong in /meg/ but oh well.
Is there any specific sprint drills or something similar you guys do in conjunction with a long run day and a tempo run day.
I want to add in a sprint day to my running schedule but I can't figure out the best way to go about it whether it be 400m repeats, high rep 50m sprints, 100m sprints etc.
>>30483067
What about just straight-up applying to be an officer? Given that this is the Britbong army, not US. I know it's possible, I just don't know the contributing factors.
>>30485543
I know people who jog/run on a 1/4 mile track. Usuaully you can jog/run the first 3/4 then sprint the final 1/4. Seems to work.
>>30486526
Sorry mate I dont know anything abut the bong system.
how to join USMC with 0 connection to USA.
>no green card
>no citizenship
>no US passport
>no 20 tonnes of body fat
i want to work on an aircraft carrier deck. how hard is it to get one of those jobs and is it even possible as greencard holder?
>>30487102
not possible.
leaving in a month for TACP, 1C4X1. How high speed of a career field is this? I know eventually they can work with rangers and sf along with other sof.
>>30482654
If you can't get a good score on the asvab without studying you're a blithering moron
Has anyone here done Navy HPSP? I want to become a doctor after college, but I don't know too much about the HPSP program.
>>30487139
Is tis bait? Being an undes-airman is the easiest to get/shittiest rate in the whole navy basically. If you walk into an office an ask for it theyll probably think youre joking then give it to you no problem after that. They have to trick most people into rates like those cause they are so shitty no one wants them.
>>30487189
>OS2
OMG, you are such a fucking jack handle.
>>30487221
>OMG, you are such a fucking jack handle
idk what that means man
>>30487189
no bait. i saw some pictures of colored shirt guys doing various tasks on the carrier deck and thought that looks dang interesting. btw what mos would that be?
>>30487389
Bro like i said that Undesignated airman, you mean rate not MOS and its un rated. Those arent interesting its like being in hell. You are on the deck for over 12hrs a day in the heat doing nothing but waving your arms. Watch that series called carrier theres a kid whose doing just that and yo can see how shitty it is.
>>30487421
will do. thank's for the info.
>>30487445
At the end of the day its your decision, im just saying thats generally regarded as one of the worst rates in the navy. Lots of hard work with very little reward.
>>30483171
Is bicycling really a substantial way to build swim endurance?
>>30482241
>don't talk to me or my son ever again
>>30487492
>Is bicycling really a substantial way to build swim endurance?
Well its saying if you have no other choice. If you have literally no way to access a pool than biking is certainly better than nothing.
I'm going Navy in a bit. CS has my interest.
What other rates would anons suggest in a support or logistics role?
>tfw you didn't go through basic/boot in the age of traps being there
You new guys are lucky
>>30487833
The fuck are you talking about?
>>30487530
I suppose it makes since but I'd assume that running would still be better than biking.
>>30487900
I had to go 14 weeks without seeing a feminine penis while people going through basic now can see one everyday in the showers now, I'm jealous
What would the training for 18A be like, and what would I be doing normally if and when I graduate?
>>30487932
If you need help cutting your throat, I would be happy to oblige.
>>30483513
18x or pog then transfer?
For me, not you.
So I'm a Brit that just got his results. I did a bsc in audio technology with emphasis on post production, music production, film production and coding for audio programmes.
Anything I can do in the military? I can hear a nats fart from 30 yards.
>>30487932
Are they putting MtF with men? It would make sense since they're as strong as men, but still.
>>30482286
please go back to your native country.
>>30487421
>Watch that series called carrier theres a kid whose doing just that and yo can see how shitty it is
just watched it. jesus christ it's like high school musical meets gheddo chicago......on a boat.
https://youtu.be/UwmOzyoUMso
I need some advice,
I tried to enlist in the Air Force earlier this year, long story short I mistakenly admitted to having seen a counselor in the past. (She diagnosed me with a mild case of depression, no self harm or suicidal tendencies, no mess, purely at my parents request because they were worried I was in a slump.)
The recruiter told me I'd need the notes from her sessions etc, I provided them all of which said I was fine, but I was still red flagged and eventually rejected from the air force.
I know me telling them I'd seen a counselor is a bad move now, it was a naive mistake and I regret not lying immensely but I really need to find a way to get into another branch now.
Is there anything I can do to fix this or get accepted in another branch, or am I just going to be discarded for having previously been rejected?
>>30489373
Facebook ruined an entire generation. Everyone must tell everything to everyone. Dumb fuck, haha you deserve it.
>Walk into recruiters
>they ask you if you're depressed, ever self harmed, ever tried the devil's grass, etc.
>You say no because there's no way they could ever find out
How do so many of you fuck this up
>>30487920
mate did you read the whole thing? The swimming/biking is down WITH the running not instead of. You cant run with a side of running that doesnt make sense.
>>30487796
>What other rates would anons suggest in a support or logistics role?
Depends what you like. The other supply rates i worked with were LS and SH. Basically working a supply room or giving haircuts/ships store. Then for ships office theres YN and PS. Ships paperwork vs personnel paperwork. None would be my choice but thats up to you.
>>30489138
ya its pretty eye opening, in general i say stay away from bigger ships cause they just amplify the problems with how many people there are. a cruiser or destroyer are perfect size.
Give me the /k/ explanation of Army Rangers. They are often compared to what I did during my service in Finland but I don't think that's quite accurate.
>>30489528
I started this reply twice because I couldn't catch myself from laughing. You are not equivalent to a United States Army Ranger. Jesus Christ, you are one delusional motherfucker.
>>30487796
I'll say this for anyone thinking about the navy, CS is an absolutely horrible job, unless you can manage your whole career as FTS, you will be absolutely miserable
>>30489528
Heres a kind answer for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJU6QK0_n4o
I don't know what your service was like but if it went like this it was similar.
I'm also in the navy, but I have gotten the shit end of the stick when it comes to almost everything, so I'll answer questions, but I'll say now that it will probably be me convincing you to join a different branch
>>30489772
How did you get fucked over? Did you pick a shitty service?
>>30489772
Rate? Duty Station? How Long you been in? Gimme some more details.
>>30489802
Fire controlman on an LSD in mayport, been in 3 and a half years, no chance of reenlistment
>>30489795
I just ended up in a shitty command, but my whole career has been random fuckups out of my control affecting me much more than they should
>>30489772
Prior-enlisted HM2(AW/SW) here. Never once saw shore duty. Shit was bogus, FCbro.
>>30489821
>Fire controlman on an LSD in mayport, been in 3 and a half years
That all sounds pretty good.
> no chance of reenlistment
what happened? Whats the problem?
>>30489860
How long were you in for?
>>30489802
If I had a jack handle, I would name it OS2.
>>30489864
Five years. They obligated me to an extra year for HM schools ("A" school plus two "C" schools back-to-back). Saw my time in Bahrain, then went to a helo squadron at NAS Jax, which ended up going back out to the USS Truman soon thereafter. I really did a number to myself by not picking shore duty after Bahrain.
>>30489864
The gator navy is a nightmare, but I've really got no reason to be mad about mayport or being an FC, the command that I'm at is absolutely horrible, and the reason I wouldn't reenlist is jus due to the fact that I know places like this actually exist, 1 in 1000, sure, but I still don't like those odds
>>30489746
>I don't think that's quite accurate
Maybe you should have finished reading my post? Do you have a school where they teach that?
>>30489762
We had less variety, less high tech gear and much less obstacle courses. Basically just the forest things for a year over and over and over again. Ranger School looks more physical but I guess that's because it's shorter and they have to pack lots of things into a short period of time. Hard to judge the mental strain.
This is what made me curious:
>Another Finnish unit that has the sabotage and guerilla warfare mission is the Sissi, an elite light infantry unit, often compared to the U.S. Army Rangers.
That's from an article in Tactical-Life. Doesn't seem to be a very good publication.
>>30489948
Mayport's the shit, man. I had to go there for shipboard firefighting school twice and I thought the base was dope minus the area just outside of it (reminded me of Pensacola... which is just southern Alabama)
>>30489881
If i had a secret admirer, I would name him Anonymous
>>30489946
Intersting, how short is HM rotation, im suprised you had the chance to see shore. My first sea roatation as an OS is 5 years so theres no way id ever see shore in one enlistment. Although they did just shoten it to 4 1/2 years thats basically the same thing.
>>30489948
Oh i gotcha, ya fuck amphibs i want nothing to do with em. youd have been much happier as an FC on a cruiser like i was on. Thats like cream of the crop for you guys. Tons of systems/weapons for you to play with. If you would re-up whats your bonus looking like? How many deployments?
>>30490004
The billet for Bahrain was unique in the way that even though it was shore-centric, they still considered it a form of sea duty (despite never having to step onto a ship while I was out there except for tours n shit). It was a one-year billet, then the helo squadron was a four-year billet.
For HMs I think the rotation is 5-3 (sea and shore, respectively), but don't quote me on that. I've seen plenty of broke-dick motherfuckers and broads who kept shitting out kids stay on shore duty forever.
>>30490047
>The billet for Bahrain was unique in the way that even though it was shore-centric
Oh gotcha like a type 2 sea duty. Must have been nice only having that for 1 year though then the possibility for shore. I had a buddy who was there around 2012 on a minesweeper, he said bahrain pretty much sucked ass.
>I've seen plenty of broke-dick motherfuckers and broads who kept shitting out kids stay on shore duty forever.
Believe me i know. I went to VMS school and there was this qmcs there that was there for like 5 years cause she kept having kids to extend. Women in the military are straight scummy that way.
>>30482241
I just learn that I can earn a US citizenship via military service
So, what's the "easiest" branch to go to obtain that ?
>>30490082
The minesweeper crews constantly got boned with short-notice patrols. A buddy of mine spent a cumulative of two weeks on dry land in a two-and-a-half month span because of something that happened in the Straits of Hormuz.
I was pretty fortunate though. My command was chill and let me take 96s to Oman, UAE, Jordan, Qatar, etc., as long as I did all of the obligatory don't-get-rape-or-be-a-rapist NKOs
Pic related, it's the mailbox from the hangar in Muharraq
>>30489948
Would you recommend being a Naval officer over other branches like say the Marines or Army?
>>30490102
>easiest branch
Don't worry about the branch, worry about the job you'll be doing. I recommend doing some sort of logistics work in the Air Force. You'll probably get plenty of time off and once you're done with your service, there's a good chance you can slide right into a cozy contracting job doing the same shit for more money
>>30490004
My bonus would only be like 10g's, and yeah I'm more of a GM that works on an FC system than an actual fc
>>30490102
Why not serve in your own country?
>>30490102
In the same situation myself. Looks like you can apply for citizenship after a year in the armed forces or so, doesn't seem to make any difference which branch or rate you are. As long as you have a green card you can just go do the tests and see what you qualify for.
You're gonna have to spend 4 years or something so pick something you could enjoy doing for that long.
>>30490116
Nice, sounds like you enjoyed it so why was the JAX station so shitty for you?
>>30490102
>>30490136
This, the job/rate/mos you get is very important to your happiness. Choose something you are interested in/like doing.
>>30490137
Aw man sorry to hear that, there was a FC2 spy tech who got 100k for 6 right around when i got out on my ship.
>>30490124
It depends what you like doing cause they arent anything alike.
>>30490136
Yes that's what I meant sorry for bad english
I was thinking something like that tho, in Air Force or Coast Guards
>>30490138
I did, like everyone in my country but we're neutral and I don't like the gun laws and EU is pushing us to have their laws aswell
>>30490160
Well that's the problem, I don't have a green card
>>30490179
Jax wasn't the problem, the problem is that I was one person doing a three-person job and would get phone calls from people at 2 AM asking when they could come in and do their PHAs n' shit.
Looking back, I like to think that I was rewarded fairly (I was capped to HM2), but the amount of stress I put myself through to make sure medical readiness was high aged me about five years in a few months.
Still in Jax, though.
>>30490179
Well, beside shooting, driving motorcycle and playing video games I don't have any hobby/talents
>>30490195
If you contact an Air Force recruiter and tell him about your situation, he or she may be willing to work with you to get everything taken care of.
Two of the guys in my boot camp division got their citizenship around their third year in the Navy.
>>30490195
>Well that's the problem, I don't have a green card
Do you have any kind of work permit? I just moved here like 2 weeks ago so i'm about to file my papers for work permit this week. What visa are you here on?
>>30490225
Might do that, thanks for the info !
>>30490232
I'm just thinking of doing that, I'm still in my country for now, just getting infos
>>30490212
Damn man that sucks. Oh youre still in? Whats the % to HM1?
>>30490220
Ok...well what would you like to do then. What type of work do you think you would enjoy doing?
>>30490251
Nah senpai, I got out a couple of weeks ago. I think the advancement to HM1 is somewhere around 6% or some trivially low number. Statistically speaking, I think it's easier to make Chief as an HM than it is to make HM1.
>>30490249
Ok. Yeah in that case the tricky part would be actually moving to the states so that you'd be able to enlist. I don't believe that you can apply to the US armed forces from out of the country. You need to be a resident with a work permit, social security number etc.
I'm still waiting to get that shit before i go to a recruiter. Can't do the ASVAB without a green card.
>>30490270
>I got out a couple of weeks ago.
Nice, gonna put the GI Bill to work?
>>30490320
Already begun! Nothing like having Uncle Sam finally pick up the tab after a few years of shelling out dough to update my ribbon rack every couple of months.
>>30490350
Yup, im using mine as well. Its such a sweet deal aint it. They just increased BAH in my area to so im keep an additional 200 bucks a month more than i already was.
>>30490179
aaaaaaaaaa
I know
Maybe I should just be a nuke officer, at least I'm practically guaranteed a slot
>>30489428
I fucked up because I talked to the recruiter before finding this thread. I still haven't gone to MEPS, though. My only hope now is what the recruiter DOESN'T send to MEPS, isn't it? And of course me syncing the same narrative.
>>30490403
I'm just hoping they don't screw me out of my BAH since my classes are staggered out during the summer.
>>30490443
The trick is, the recruiter can use whatever stupid shit you admitted to as leverage. They're not dumb. If they need someone to fill the billet of, say, an ejection seat tester, now he or she can say, "Sorry, you're only able to take this job due to past grievances" or something along those lines.
It sounds shitty, but they have quotas to fill and with demand for more bodies becoming lower and lower, you need to take what you can get unless you're willing to wait. I waited eight months before shipping off to boot camp
>>30490443
They won't find out if you were a depressed little bitch at one point. I was one, for years at one point. Want to know what I'm doing right now? Collecting deployment pay in Afghanistan. I was in a fucking suicide panic room literally 6 months before I enlisted in the army.
I have a fucking secret clearance and they still have not found out or just don't give a single flying fuck.
>>30490479
>secret security clearance
You mean the same clearance just about everyone gets?
>>30482286
Even if you got citizenship if the majority of your family is foreign national, that's a huge red flag.
>>30482566
Gain citizenship through army being a bullet sponge, then re-class to Intel. Easy peezy lemon squeegee
>>30490433
Youre call man
>>30490467
>I'm just hoping they don't screw me out of my BAH since my classes are staggered out during the summer.
You need to check your credit requirements at your school. Its 12 credits over the summer for me to qualify for BAH. You definitely need to check that out to make sure bro.
>>30490509
Way to be an autistic faggot.
>>30490565
Chill out, we're on the same side.
>>30490467
Well, at least the recruiter seems heavily biased in my favor, but still, literally 0 reasons or benefits to what I told him. I should add I'm not the Air Force anon from a couple posts before, just yet another retard, but in the same situation.
>>30490479
Good to know
I'm definitely bullshitting my way through MEPS now
>>30489746
MUHREENS
Do Navy guys really get to have sex with thai ladyboys and fuck each other on the boats while another guy wears the female uniform?
I'm kinda regretting being in a straight branch right now
A while ago I asked for some advice to get ready for basic and a kind anon posted a running and workout routine to get use to running so damn much. It was really helpful for my plans and really like it.
Thing is my laptop with it died and now I don't have it any more. If someone here has it or the anon that posted it, repost it again, that would be great.
>>30491249
See >>30483171
I post this like 3 times every thread cause people are lazy and dont know how to properly scroll like you. Look before asking senpai. Part 2 here.
>>30491368
Sorry senpai. Didn't realize it got posted that much.
>>30491249
>>30491419
Look though that running might be to much if you are starting at ground 0. If you have literally no ability to run you need to star with "Couch25k" Its a beginner running program. Look it up.
>>30491480
Oh I can run/jog 2 miles a bit. I just follow this as a way to grow. Yeah I haven't progress from two miles because I want to get comfortable until I advance. Also to deal with the soreness.
>>30490613
Surface Warfare or Subs?
>>30491559
That bottom pin is an ESWS pin, surface navy. If he was subs hed have dolphins.
>>30491506
Word
>>30491584
I'm asking which he would recommend
>>30490556
is that even possible? as example you can't become an eod as naturalized citizen / dual citizen. i think the same is true for marine guards / security.
>>30491608
Surface without a doubt imo, subs are forced to work and live in shittier conditions than surface ships and their port calls are more limited as well. Only go subs if you care that much about that little extra sub way or advancement is very difficult for your rate.
is navybmr any good for studying for exams? I'm moving to Japan (first command) in august and my LCPO ordered my PO3 exam.
>>30491730
It cant hurt but you realize you can look up what pubs they used to write your exam right? better off studying those.
What's the chance of a dedicated fat fuck to survive basic if he trained and exercise for about a year before he attempts to join. So far I lost 10 lbs in about two weeks
>>30491878
How fat?
>>30491893
Right now. 240.
Father tells me that males in the family are all naturally good at losing weight. So I feel I can hit 190 or 200 by then for sure.
Only thing that slowly me down is the desert heat and actually waking up early to do my running when it's cool.
>>30491878
You'll have to be taped in first. You won't be sent to basic if you're too overweight. Continue losing weight until you meet the requirements. Keep up the good work. Make sure to build muscles as well, not just lose weight.
>>30491932
Is there a particular branch you're interested in joining? Getting up to snuff for the Marines would take a bit longer than the Air Force.
>>30491933
Yes I understand this. The 190-200 range is my goal for my height of 6'1''. May loose less if I could.
>>30491954
Air Force, gonna do officer since I am a year from getting my degree in Mechanical Engineering.
>>30491616
P sure they'll let anyone be infantry if you're dumb enough, or I know medics first-hand who gained citizenship that way.
>>30491988
Fun fact: A recruit from my basic training got the boot during her medic school for having ties to Taliban sympathizers (or being one herself I can't remember). So as long as that's not a problem you should be golden
>>30492017
a female taliban supporter? must have been a smart chick.
>>30492094
I believe 25k refers to "to 5k" instead of 25k
>>30491761
Yeah it's got all the pub links with reviews and summaries for each section and quizzes and all that good stuff.
>>30492094
>holy fuck, I can barely do the 5km one and you are recommending someone a 25k as a beginner program.
No you turd its a play on words.
"Couch too 5 k" In other words it takes you from your couch to running a 5k. Look it up.
>>30492137
Thats my point
>>30491932
>240 to ~190 in a year
That's totally doable. Not that you necessarily should, but you could probably manage that in around 6 months.
>>30492128
>>30492017
hajjis are so fucking dumb.
>>30492017
My first day of basic training during the shark attack some guy got arrested for having ties with ISIS, was pretty crazy
Anyone got any experience on marines? Getting sent to nylands brigad in Finland soon wich is coastial jägers wich are like force recon marines i guess?
>>30492533
shark attack? my guess would be that term described the first time the recruits meet their drill sergeants?
>>30492834
pretty sure he was making a joke dude
>>30492834
Yeah, ours was pretty tame since the cops were dealing with the MPs and they didn't want anyone around
>>30492860
No joke that happened a year ago, no idea what happened to the guy
>>30489762
Am I mistaken to think that Ranger School does not make one a Ranger and is more like a leadership course?
Being 11B Option 40, does - you're with the 75th Ranger Regiment.
Two different things.
>>30493061
No you're completely right, ranger school and RASP are completely different.
Ranger school is just a check mark for officers to get promoted and RASP is to actually become a real ranger
>>30483216
Skąd jesteś bracie?
37F, 38B, or 35M, I want to enlist but can't decide
>>30493219
If you're talking Active Duty then PSYOP and CA aren't usually entry-level jobs.
>>30493237
reserve is though right?
This is maybe something silly to be worried about, but I'm concerned about trying for a job which requires a TS clearance because I don't know enough people I could use as references. I've been a friendless NEET for years now, and I assume I can't just list a bunch of family members.
Is it possible to fudge the references without someone finding out?
>>30493061
if you want details, look up "tabbed vs scrolled rangers"
>>30493237
>If you're talking Active Duty then PSYOP and CA aren't usually entry-level jobs.
The fuck?
37F/38B are regular MOSs. You can go straight from street into them. Note that for active duty, unless things have changed since my day, you have to be both Airborne qualified and language qualified to make it to Group (actually fully MOSq'ed), but yeah, you don't reclass into it. There are some SF CAT-As but that's a different deal entirely.
In the officer corps though, you can't go straight into either.
As a former psyoper, it's a shit, boring job, even if you're in TPD 940 (or whatever the hell they're calling it these days). The biggest piece of advice I can give you or anyone else joining is pick an MOS that has a civilian equivalent. You probably aren't going to be career and you REALLY don't want to come out without marketable skills.
>>30493590
You gotta find 3 people for references to enlist anyway.
>>30493652
38B is entry level, 37F apparently isn't.
>>30493696
37f is entry level for reserve only
>>30493652
Dunno what to tell you, man. Active Duty 37F is definitely still a packet MOS you can apply for as an E-4. 38B might have changed recently, but the Army website still says you can't go PSYOP off the street.
>>30493710
>>30493696
Huh? Why doesn't the army website say that then?
Also, what the hell does "entry level" actually mean?
http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/psychological-operations-specialist.html
>>30493717
Well, I was in when it was still 4th POG so I'll defer to you.
>>30493734
>Why doesn't the army website say that then?
It has the grey X next to entry level. I blame the contractor.
>>30493734
Entry level as in you can enter that MOS straight from basic training, certain MOS' they want experienced soldiers who reclass into that job
>>30493928
I wonder when they changed PSYOP then...also explains why it's been shit for the last few years. Regular soldiers just don't have the right mentality to do that right. Hell, most recruits don't either, but at least they don't have a few years of doing some other job screwing them up further.
Tempted to go reservist or cal national guard for dem benefits and so I can play soldier on the weekends while I'm in college, is this a dumb idea? Is there some cushy section that does well for college students?
>>30494917
You can join a cushy job field in the reserves, but there won't be much "playing soldier" on the weekends. Do it for the bennies, not because you want to soldier.
Meps this week
Someone give me the heads up on the hotel stay is it a meme?
>>30483086
Seconding this, but as a Canadian
>>30495080
Take a laptop anon, it's gonna be shit.
>>30494917
Make sure you'll be going to a unit that doesn't deploy often. I know that some natty guard states give you state and federal tuition funding. Not a bad way to pay for college.
Air guard will probably be the cushiest.
>>30495080
Just avoid the retards trying to get into trouble
>>30495080
You just stay in a hotel for a night then wake up at like 3am
What the fuck do you need a heads up for?
>>30495514
Orgies, drug parties, marine sluts
>>30495530
None of those happen since you get tested on for that stuff for over 12 hours the very next day.
The first thing you do when you get to MEPS is take a breathalyzer so if you were drinking the night before there's still a chance it might pick up, then you take a piss test directly after that, and having to take up so early in the morning means that you wouldn't be having any parties anyway. Just bring your phone to shitpost on and go to bed early so you won't be that one dumbass who missed the bus movement
>>30493717
Both active CA and PsyOps are packet MOS.
Airborne infantry if anyone has questions about shit.
>>30482241
Are marines soldiers?
>>30495080
It's gonna suck, and your roommate isn't gonna wanna go to sleep until an hour before you have to wake up. And then they're gonna send you out for a med consult at 1430, but guess what? Medical closes at 1500 so you get to stay in the hotel another night!
>>30482241
Im meeting with an army recruiter Wed. He said he would even pick me up at my house.. Im trying to become an officer (BA in crim justice) what should i expect?
>>30496953
In the context of the US Army and most Armies, No. But kind of yes. A soldier is someone who wages ground war and a Marine is kind of a soldier who specializes in Marine landings and littoral combat.
But in the US. No. They are considered to different things but you could make the argument that a Marine is a soldier trained to fight a different kind of battle.
>>30497100
For me. They were pretty chill. I told them I wanted to enlist as infantry. They gave me some gay little speech about what the Army can give me based around the SOLDIER backronym. Then they asked why I wanted to join the most and I said for the excitement which was the "E" in the SOLDIER acronym.
Then they bought me lunch and we started to fill out paperwork. Most recruiters are cool people. Recruiters are assigned to that job, they don't usually volunteer but they are still trying to meet a quota. But they get it. They were where you are/were at.
Or did you have any more specific questions? All I can say is that it's exactly how you would expect.
>>30497264
Im trying to get 09S. I took the asvab and got 112 GT, only 110 needed for officer. Got a ba. Hope they wont push enlist bullshit. Anyone have any info on OCS or how long it takes to form a packet?
>>30495080
don't be the asshole who gets sent home because you get drunk the night before.
YOU WILL TAKE A PISS TEST AND BREATHALYZER FIRST THING. If you pop positive on either, no go.
Also, if it's not in your contract, it doesn't exist.
>>30494917
Try for a ROTC scholarship. It'll prevent you from getting deployed while in school (which you should be able to get out of anyway, but there's a chance you won't be able to), and your job'll be easier once you're in...well with a lot more paperwork but less cleaning toilets.
G'day, is there any diggers here that can give me some advice on joining the Army?
What should I expect as a rifleman? How do specializations work?
Is there anything I should know before making this decision?
>>30497325
not the guy youre replying to but,
>if it's not in your contract, it doesn't exist.
what do you mean by this?
>tfw dunno how to swim
>>30497875
Not him but recruiters are notorious for bullshitting kids to join with promises like "x duty station is guaranteed that you want, I'll tell such and such to reserve it for you" or "you'll get this super cool rare slot for your job after AIT I promise"
You get stationed and put into the slot pretty much at random on what the military needs at that time, recruiters can't influence where you go after training at all.
So I talked to my recruiter and got all set up to go to MEPS. He told me that once I'm through there I immediately sign an open contract because that's how the Marines do it. I'm just asking here for double confirmation but he didn't just straight up lie to me, right?
>>30498484
hes correct, Marine DEPer here, you sign open at meps then later sign another contract with your recruiter with a specific job field
>>30498539
Okay that's what I figured, I didn't think he'd lie about something so easy to check but it doesn't hurt to make sure.
Any recommendations on what jobs I should be looking at? I was thinking combat engineer might be cool.
Can references include in-laws or other family members that aren't blood related?
>>30498714
Anyone really, references don't matter. For secret clearances they don't bother to call them and top secret clearances they call people who you don't even put down
are recruiters free today?
HOOAH?
>>30498539
then what's the point of the point of the open contract? seems to serve no purpose besides making the person worried / wondering if he will get what he wanted.
>>30499584
To remind people of how dumb they are if they actually join the marines and trust some random guy to pick a job that they will be doing for the next four years of their lives
>>30499584
sowwy mongo laggy tablet with no keyboard.
>>30499594
ok funny but whats the actual reason?
>>30499636
That's literally the reason, it just exists for proof that people still fall for those dumb marine commercials. Anyone who joins the military with an open contract is retarded as fuck
>>30499636
Doing the medical tests costs money and they want to make sure that they don't throw money at you for nothing so they make sure you can't back out last minute. Is my guess at least. Money is almost always the answer.
>>30499678
sounds crazy.
let's say little timmy goes go the marine recruiter wanting to sign up as 03xx infantry.
recruiter tells him that every dude that is interested has to sign an open contract first? little timmy goes to meps / something minor is wrong with him and therefore little timmy ends up as cook or shoeshine boy in he glorious marine corps?
>>30499807
Then little timmy is fucked and has to fulfill that contract as a cook
>>30499807
You sign it before you're finished with the meps and know what you qualify for? In that case yeah that's fucked up, there could be some minor problem you didn't know about that guarantees you a shit job and your life will be hell for 4 years since quality of life in the marines is abysmal and you're stuck with a job you hate.
>>30499807
Choosing the Marines is all about "I want to be a Marine above all else".
The people who buy into that cult would rather be Marine cooks than do their dream job in another branch. They're already giving up quality of life, promotion potential, and career flexibility just so they can wear the title, so they don't really give a fuck.
on a scale from okay to totally not cool bro, how bad is it to lie about color blindness?
>>30500276
They have multiple color blind tests s if you can manage to get through them that would be impressive
Hi guys, I'm looking into the Reserves (NG and USMC), but they both state that basic training is 10 weeks or so. How does this work? Are they taken consecutively, or over weekends, or several blocks (2-3 weeks at a time)? Unsure.
>>30499807
I joined in 2006 and they gave contract before meps. But they were hurting for bodies and would ship you the next day if you wanted.
These days I've been told people wait for up to a year to ship. So they sign open contract and recruiter gives MOS contract a few months later when slot opens up. Don't get your MOS before time to ship? Don't go, there's no penalty until your ass is on the yellow foot prints.
The Navy recruiter I'm talking to says that I'm pretty much guaranteed Virginia if I want it because of how big the naval base is. Any truth in that?
>>30500357
>recruiter
>I'm pretty much guaranteed
Please read >>30497890
>>30500357
It's possible that whatever rate you're aiming for has a limited selection of duty stations, increasing the chance that you'll get assigned to any particular one.
But at the end of the day, "pretty much guaranteed" is still not the same thing as "guaranteed."
>>30500357
>recruiter
>the truth
Youll go damn near wherever they need you which could be literally anywhere since the Navy is pretty big and always mobile.
Who else lied about medical records at MEPS?
I didnt tell them i had insurance or a family doctor and said "No sir" to everything
Am i fucked? this was my recruiters advise.
i figure as long as a choose a MOS that doesnt require a clearance i can do my 4 and leave with those sweet benefits
>>30500217
This. Going USMC and caring about job what job you get is a bad combination. "Every Marine is a Rifleman".
>>30500297
In a row, buddy, same as everyone else.
>>30500614
Thanks for the info.
I was considering a stint as a reservist, but i don't think I'll be able to wrangle 10 weeks off from work that easy. Not consecutively, anyway.
>>30500610
What was the point of lying about insurance and a doctor? They don't really care about that stuff
>>30500614
Every Marine is not a rifleman stfu you stupid depper. You guys shouldn't be giving each other advice.
>>30500652
nigger what thats literally a Marine saying.
thats why every USMC recruit has to qualify at 400 or 500 yards with their m16s
>>30500649
so they have no trail that could trace back to things i ommited at meps such as broken bones adhd in high school ect ect.
>>30500789
They could look that stuff if they wanted to since it's more suspicious to say you've never had insurance and never had a doctor before. They don't care about broken bones if there's no metal pins still in you and adhd is an easy medical waiver.
You're just making it harder on yourself
>>30500776
That's pog bullshit. Shut up about things you know nothing of. Just makes you look stupid.
You might as well say "The Army only has 1 person in it" when they ran Army of One saying. Fuck you kids, let the blind lead the blind.
Source: former ACTUAL rifleman (0311)
>>30500357
The question is why the hell would you want it? All the places the Navy can send you and you want to go to shitty ass Virginia???
>>30500645
It'd be more than 10 weeks, possibly A LOT more. Remember, you also have AIT right after basic.
>>30500776
>thats why every USMC recruit has to qualify at 400 or 500 yards with their m16s
No, there's a 500m target that most recruits are explicitly told *not* to shoot at because it'll waste ammo they could use to insure that they qualify.
A jarhead quartermaster is no more "rifleman" than a zoomie quartermaster.
>>30501178
Roger. How doe most people wrangle reserves and normal day jobs? Just curious at this point. I can't imagine most employers would be terribly pleased letting their staff disappear for the better part of three months to go play soldier.
>>30501599
>terribly pleased letting their staff disappear
Literally doesn't matter at all.
Hell, hope an employer fucks with you over it. You'll own the business. It's *very* illegal for them to do anything to you and the courts do not play at all with companies that try.
That said, most of them understand.
