>How good/bad is the Colt M16A4?
I am planning on getting one as my sole "go to" 556 rifle. As of now I have a FS2000, M16A1 and a few other obscure rifles but I think a modern AR platform would make much more sense.
>>30478303
good luck ever finding one in stock..... or for less than $1200+
>$999 when they first came out
>dropped to $849 3 months before abu hajar blasted those sodomites
>Come get ur Colt M16A4, only $1299 now!
>Sold out within 1 day.
>>30478327
They will be back in stock before November
>>30478303
You will have better luck just putting one together. Google Aero precision M16A4 and they have a nice M16A4 copy for about a grand.
>>30478432
only thing is, they will be churning them out ASAP, which makes me weary to get one. Also, they come with some speciul snoeflaek FCG, which means its gotta get replaced ASAP.
>>30478448
>not having the greatest roll mark of all time.
>>30478448
They're all sold out of their A4 lowers, too.
>>30478448
A M16A4 lookalike isnt the same thing as one built to Colt's supersekrit TDP specs.
Just like the FN15A4 is a steaming pile of lookalike shit as well.
>>30478483
Sucks, doesn't it?
>>30478536
Cultural Victory
What advantages does a m16 bring over a m4
>>30479522
None
>>30479522
Increased muzzle velocity, longer sight radius, the handguard is long enough for that fully extended support hand c clamp style.
Thats not to say the m16 is better than the m4. They both have pros and cons
OP, i think that there are better options out there. I think if you actually have an fs2000, you already have a fantastic 5.56 rifle. GI mags with anti tilt followers are best 5.56 mags anyways, and the fs2000 is an excellent rifle id trust my life on. Furthermore, m16a1 > a4, just for the weight savings alone, but also superior pistol grip and shorter stock
>>30478303
It's not really any more "modern" than am A1, other than it being easier to mount sights or red dots on it.
>>30479620
my A1 has a 1:12 twist and is built on a 1967 barrel, if anything else i just want something a little more fresh.
>>30479613
I love the FS2000 I have NEVER had it jam on me in the slightest. Only thing is parts availability down the road. It was a flash in the pan that did not have much of a following so it doesnt have much support.
>only pic on my laptop of my FS2000
>>30478483
>paying for colt
>colt quality
>buying a pony gun
Never. Never buy colt.
>>30479663
>Oh look, it's this meme again
>>30479656
Okay. Id still rather have an ar build than an a4 my go to fighting weapon.
The a4 is too long for my taste. Although i have a 14.5 rifle, a 16 or 18 inch free floated barrel seems to be the best all around choice.
>>30479716
No meme.
Colts are worth $600 at most. You retards will go out and pay $1000+ for something Smith makes cheaper, and better. There's a reason your shitty company has gone bankrupt so many times.
>>30479739
If colts are worth $600 then why can you not buy one for $600?
>>30479656
Well if you want to fill the safe with lots of Colt Ms, I'm the last person to complain about it . XD
>>30479777
Because retards like you made a bubble.
See: Real estate, College.
Long barrel armalites are pretty good, noticeable difference in weight between a rifle and carbine length barrel. Carry handle/iron sights are fun to shoot off rounds. Spot to stick cleaning shit in the stock. Handguards might make a little rattle noise but their a lot more comfortable than rails to hold on to.
You can always swap all that stuff out if you don't like it and make it tacticool.
>>30479739
You do realize S&W has gone bankrupt too?
>>30479739
the colt metal formula is trademarked and the same one the military uses, all other AR manufactures use inferior softer metal then colt.
>>30478536
No fucking way.
>>30479897
Not true, also hardness isn't inherently better past a certain point.
>>30479897
Impossible.
Because Colt does not make the military ARs.
>>30479869
Most have. Not as often as colt's retarded ass.
>>30479864
just throw KAC rails on it.
>>30479897
>Proprietary
>7075 aluminum
You fell for the "colt doesn't hate you and makes products worth the price" meme hook line and sinker. Enjoy your high shelf, propriety BCG nanny state basic bitch AR.
>>30479929
Saying that someone going bankrupt is a bad thing and then praising a company that's gone bankrupt is inherently hypocritical. Colt never went into bankruptcy because their weapons aren't good. Their marketing was dicks and they never tried to make anything other than what was selling at the time. Meanwhile, S&W went bankrupt trying to cater to the Clintons
>>30479897
>He doesn't realize Colt get its stuff from Cerro Forge
Protip: If your receiver has a keyhole engraving, it comes from the same forge as a Colt.
>>30479980
>Their weapons aren't good
Their rifles literally failed to meet the quality standards expected of them by the DoD.
>>30480002
The DoD was looking for any reason to cut costs and switch to FN, keep trying though
>>30479739
colts and smiths arent the same gun
>>30480011
[citation needed]
>>30479935
Colt BCG is the best on the market.
>>30480069
Do you work for colt, because no one is this much of a cuck. Colt lost generations worth of business for being statist cocksuckers riding on military contracts and the colt roll mark.
The colt BCG is a fucking joke and only exists because colt didn't want the plebeians using an auto sear, registered or otherwise.
>>30478303
Had one for like five years, then I got an A1 and now I'm trying to sell it because unless you're a lefty or desperately want to slap an ACOG and M5 RAS on your rifle and have a clone, the A1 shits all over it.
>>30480128
>B-but muh Colt, muh history
>>30480128
>>30480128
In what ways is a colt BCG Inferior?
>>30479656
>FS2000
>flash in the pan
It was for sale commercially for like 20 years, they only recently discontinued because people were buying other bullpups.
>>30480157
It isn't set up in a full auto format/milspec format like every other bolt carrier on the market. Even my shitty Olympic arms plinkster has a full auto bolt.
>>30480228
What? Are you talking about SP1 bolts? I have a NOS Colt bolt from 1970's and its is 100% milspec.
I have one, they're exactly what you'd expect from the company who made the 6920. They're great shooters, reliable, and built to an acceptable standard. Are there better options in the accuracy department, sure (it's not a varmint rifle). Are there better options in the reliability department? That's debatable. But are there better options at that price point? I don't believe there are.
>>30480228
Maybe 10+ years ago. My 6920 has a normal FA BCG.
>>30480276
Same, though there is no hollowed out spot to place an auto sear in the lower. There's a bunch of metal between the spot for the take down pin and the rest of the trigger group.
Guess you'd have to machine it out yourself if you wanted to put one in.
>>30480228
What?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137304/colt-bolt-carrier-group-mil-spec-ar-15-223-remington-matte
>>30480292
Just curious. Is it only Colt lowers that are like that or do all AR-15 lowers have to be like that?
>>30480254
>But are there better options at that price point?
There's tons of better options at $1000+ if you build one yourself.
Literally nobody uses these anymore.
>>30480335
Varies by the manufacturer, which in turn usually depends on which foundry they're sourcing their lowers from.
>>30479663
>>30478448
Eh, even after doing builds that worked fine i sitll find "buy colt, shoot colt" to just feel like a cleaner and faster route and it's what i'd recommend
Plus warranty
Ok, lets get shit straight here, cause theres a buttload of ignorance and fuckton of sour grapes.
Colt essentially got Armalite's specs and research in the merger. Colt barrels in their weapons are the exact same as the .mil rifles they sell, or used to, since FN has been lining pockets for the past 30 years and underbid them to get their mil contracts. So Colt was forced to hand over their R&D and supersekrit TDP's to FN because lol 'USGovt Property', however FN CANNOT sell any products for profit from knowledge gained from the TDP. (FN commercial =/= FN Mil weapons, no matter how much they sidestep and claim 'b-but its made under the same roof).
Colt Marketing was shit, and Ruger-tier when it came to AWB94, hence the "Big pivot hole" and "Sear block" which drove customers away to other manufacturers who didnt give a flying fuck 'muh feels'. Basically everyone was buying Colt parts, but no completed rifles due to the fuckin stupid Lower design and special FCG and BCG. All the while, Colt didnt give a shit cause lolBigMoney .mil-contracts!
Anyway, Colt is as close to milspec as you can get, besides their stupid proprietary parts that they did away with ~2006. Everyone else is a fuckin pretender. Hell, just go measure your favorite lowers magwell with a dial caliper, I bet you $5 that its not in spec to M16 lower drawings.
>2.398"x0.898"+-0.005
>>30478536
>dick is diamond
>>30481105
>>30481105
colt fuccboi
Do it
>>30478455
Has this been an issue with past scares?
I ordered one in January
I'm still waiting on it to come in
I even bought an M5 RAS for it
>>30484203
where from
>>30484243
My local FFL, AJI sporting goods in Apache Junction Arizona
Or did you mean the rail? I got it second hand from a guy at a gun show in Phoenix, it was in pretty good condition too.
>>30484268
i meant the rifle. my ffl said it was hard for him to get any even before the shooting
>>30479663
Hell with that. I buy Colt, love Colt, and will continue.
Strongly suspect most people saying otherwise are teenagers who don't even own a damn firearm but once saw an anti-Colt meme made by some fanboy for whatever brand they happened to own.
>>30484288
Which shooting, The most recent one?
Yes, that's what I was told.
Prior to when I ordered it, Colt basicall did a batch of them and said that was likely their swan sing but people bought them up. They've been out of stock almost everywhere since about last April and when they did hit shelves it was always in very limited quantity.
When I bought it I was told to expect to wait until May or longer but that I was number two on the list.
I called Colt in April and asked them what the deal was and they said they were tooling up to produce more because it was by far their fastest and best selling rifle in years.
They just are unable to keep up with demand as I understand
>>30484319
Jesus fuck my English is horrible right now.
>>30484319
Yea the one in Orlando. Well that makes me feel more comfortable in waiting for them to come back in stock
I just built an A4, took it to the range today. It's alright, I don't know about "go to" 556 rifle. It's a pretty big rifle, but I don't know what your purposes are.
>>30484352
Yeah dude, I've been waiting for a few months for one. I knew this going into it that it would likely take a few months, which is why I ordered it as soon as I could in case of any events
Colt is taking their sweet ass time right now but it'll all be worth it when I wash my hands clean of my .300 BLk AR and get this A4gery
Now it would only be better I could sell my .300 BLK AR at a profit
>>30484379
Don't like the .300?
Someone else posted that because of the scare they will be ramping up production and might cut corners, at least that's how I interpreted it. I don't think I've ever heard of that happening before
Out my way colt fags an fn fags the real star of the show has arrived
Op this is literally the next best thing over a colt
Windham government rifle
The people from bushmaster who actually made good rifles before Cerberus fired everybody and fucked the name up
Are now know as windham I did a lot of research when I was thinking bout buying an ar15
Also that lifetime warranty
I don't have one cuz I'm akfag
But if I did became arfag this right here would be the one and only!
Might as well ask here, I find both the A1 and the A2 interesting/aesthetically pleasing.
Is there any real difference in function and durability between one and the other if you build it yourself with good parts? I only plan to use the full length AR as a range toy.
>>30478303
Alright OP if you're looking for a excellent Ar-15 their are other and some better options out there.
Some options will be priced better and some will just be overall better like DD or BCM.
But if you are just looking for a solid out of the box go to rifle Colt is an excellent decision.
I challenge you to find a review of a colt AR where the rifle doesn't work 100% out of the box. Colt is a very safe option.
>>30479656
Yo FS2000s are great and all but tell us about that goddamn DP-28
>>30484721
>bushmaster
>ever being good
That's priceless son, by the way you gotta be 18 to post here.
>>30485267
Well like I said I'm not an arfag I'm ak fag, I still think there very great since I can't find a search on my one complaint about their windham,
By the way you gotta be has guns to post.
>>30485315
On no one complaining about their windham*
Jesus Christ
>>30485315
I can't comment on the new Windham's other than when I was shopping for my first ar15 4 years ago I found some at a gun show.
Not one had a chrome lined barrel, all were 1/8 twist, and they wanted nearly Colt money for them.
No thanks.
Pic related my Sig lower/BCM upper frankencarbine
>>30478303
WHAT DOES /k/ THINK ABOUT RADICAL ARMS AR-15
>>30485356
The ones I read on now
Have 1/7 twist if you get the 20in rifle with chrome lined barrel
But the mpc 16in barrel is still a 1/9
At least from what I read.
>>30485411
PLS RSPOND
>>30485418
Well I last saw them 4 years ago so fair enough.
Granted old bushmaster's reputation wasn't that great anyway which is part of my prejudice. If they're stepping up their game I'll concede that.
>>30479739
Is this what you tell yourself when you buy your shitty Rock Island 1911 and Olympic Ar-15's?
>>30478303
Colt's are good, they're just next to impossible to find in 20". If you're looking for a good 20" AR, I'd recommend Windham Weaponry or BCM. BCM will be "some assembly required" because they only sell ultra expensive completely pre-built rifles.
>>30480069
they sure are
Just get s larue
fact of the matter is this:
the only reason to buy a colt is because you're a diehard colt fanboy and think that overpaying for a completely basic rifle is worth it for the rollmark.
you can easily build a rifle to the same spec as a colt and spend less money but coltfags dont want to believe its true
>>30486671
You literally cannot built EXACT to colts specs because it is copyrighted. The Metal, the finish, and the tolerances of milspec can only be had on a colt.
Other shit can get 99% as close, but not 100%
>>30486671
Fact. The only reason I would buy a colt is because I want an M16A2 clone. Other than that, I see no point in paying that much just to have a horse on my receiver.
>>30487105
M16A2 is essentially a M16A4
I just bought a Colt AR-15A2. Waiting on it to come in soon. It's my first full size rifle since the Corps.
>>30486904
>muh colt finish
literally who cares its shit finish anyways
>muh snowflake colt metal
its the fucking same as any forged aluminum
>>30487312
what is fixed carry handle vs removable/flat top
>>30487360
Having the removable handle is only a positive.
>>30487312
The only difference is muh railz.
>>30484945
The handguards for the A2 will hold up better. Other than that, they're more or less the same rifle, except one has a total dildos barrel profile.
>>30488350
What about the a2 handguard makes them more durable?
>>30478303
>current year
>considering Colt over FN
>mfw
![WP_20160525_002[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OowlfhG.jpg "WP_20160525_002[2].jpg")
>>30488367
Sturdier material, no prongs to snap off. I think I went through two left-sides before finally getting one that had all of its "teeth" intact.
>>30488368
>pic related desu
>>30488368
Have you held one of the new FN rifles? I'm the biggest FN fuccboi on the planet but holy fuck the FN AR series is shit.
>>30479930
I like their rails, but they get heavy on a full rifle length barrel.
I like those plastic ones but since it's just two slip rings holding it on there it has a little slack that doesn't effect anything besides you can jiggle it a bit and makes a noticeable noise. Handguards like OP's pic is what I'd want on a longer barrel like that if I were just using ironsights but since he's got a flat top receiver he could probably get away with those too if he wanted to co witness irons or have flip ups with some glass.
>>30488418
To be fair Colt's QC has taken a noticeable dive recently as well.
>>30488416
I picked up a FN15A4 at my LGS about a year ago and remember feeling like it was loose AF...
idk maybe it was the one I handled but even the plastic on it felt like plum crazy shit.
>>30488465
Am I looking at fucking burrs on that gas catch
>>30488557
Yeah, hilariously misplaced stakings for the gas key screws.
Check out that wavy surface finish along the side, too.
>>30488557
It looks like they tried to stake the pins... and missed.
Springfield or Colt 1911?
>>30488583
Colt if for no other reason they old their value a little better.
>>30488325
yep, but M16A2 = M16A4 is a retarded statement to make, even for /k/
>>30478536
is that naked metal is some kind of coating on there?
>>30478536
>>30478536
This one is called Vepr-15 in .223
>>30490412
Why does it say Saiga 12?
There's one at a store within half an hour of me for $999. Unless it sold since I was there on Thursday, that is.
Good news for you if you live in or near Portland.
>>30478303
You're paying a lot for the name
>>30478536
How do I get one
>>30485497
>>30488465
Wow my fucking M&P's BCG is better
>>30478536
What is this? (Besides an M16 lower)
>>30479739
Just no. Smith does not make a better AR than Colt.
>>30490747
>poorfag
>>30485497
>>30490747
>All Colt AR-15s have manufacturing defects
>>30484525
I do like the cartridge and all that I can do with it but on the a college budget it's more than I can handle.
Which is why I plan on trading it in as election season is in full swing
>>30490644
thats a decent deal.
>>30493164
Been saving your brass?
>20" ARs
fuck yeah
>long fixed stock
why (unless you're like 6'8")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHlofN5EAU
The only fixed stock worth having on an AR these days is the A1.
>>30493185
Of the 200 rounds I've fired from my gun, I have about 180 pieces of brass saved.
I figured that whether I got rid of my .300 BLK gun or not I should save the brass so the next owner knows what I shot or I could start reloading.
Some of the casings are lost to the desert near Queen Valley
>>30493203
>>30493203
Ugly as fuck
>>30493260
But so comfy and reliable.
>>30493272
I always shoot with my stock fully extended so I dont really see what it offers over a fixed stock.
>>30481105
Mil spec isn't a good thing other than dimensions dumb fuck faggot retard
>>30493305
>implying shit that is below milspec isnt horrible
>>30488465
The staking is not on the capscrew head where it's supposed to be, therefore the staking raised an abnormally high extrusion
>>30478303
Are you really needing to question whether an AR is good, especially if you aren't lying about already having one
>>30493407
I think he was essentially asking if a 20' is superior to a 16'
>>30491650
It shoots just fine
>>30479897
Holy shit you fucking retard
>>30478455
>they come with some speciul snoeflaek FCG
Is this true?
>>30481105
Yet you still pay out the ass for the same thing as a sport 2, all because "MUH dimensions"
This is what autism looks like
Trying to pick out a trigger guard for my latest build.
Magpul Aluminum vs Magpul Polymer
>>30479897
There is no way this can be even remotely true.
/k/omrades:
i wanna build my m16a4 from when i was an 11m. i like bcm uppers, but all fixed stock lowers are hard to come by lately. would the following be an absolutely terrible idea?
1) buy a windham complete rifle
2) sell the upper since its shit
3) slap on bcm upper, since im guessing the windham lower should function AOK
TLDR bcm upper windham lower a4 frankengun?
>>30478536
I want one so bad!
