Any gun owners from Germany here? I live in Nothern Germany ([spoiler] Bremen[/spoiler])and thought about getting into firearms a long time ago. But it all seems like way too much of a hassle. Anyways there are two things I'm asking myself:
Is it true that the police can visit me any time, without notice, to see if my weapons are safely stored?
Is it true that, if I apply for a gun permit after being one year in the Schützenverein, the authority can just say "lol no" and that's that? My state is kinda famous for being degenerate after all.
The police can visit you, but as far as I know this doesnt happen often and sometimes they let you know beforehand or are satisfied with pictures.
I dont think so, you have the right to own guns if you have a need for them, thats why you have to spend a year shooting. Unless you have committed any crimes of course.
>>30451392
Sorry anon i know fuck all I just saw
>German flag
and
>gun
>police
and made me think of pic related
>>30451392
move to NRW or bavaria or a rural area
no more hassle then
/thread
>>30451392
"lol no" might be possible based on the principle of "Zuverlässigkeit".
If you're not a former member of the REP, DVU, etc. and never wrote anything remotely politically incorrect using your real name online, you should be OK...
https://legalwaffenbesitzer.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/wbk-weg-wegen-facebook-posts/
>>30451392
it's fucking easy....there is no hassle.
Just do your hunting license or your sportshooter license.
I was never visited by the police or anybody that i know....and i know many shooter btw.
They will come to you if "Gefahr im Verzug" for example an ongoing shooting etc. pp.
Just get of your x dot com
what about for black powder antique weapons? liek flintlocks or cap and ball, are those cash and carry?
im from bremen and own guns legally through the schützenverein.
wenn du möchtest kann ich dir persönlich fast alles beantworten. Steam or whatever
>>30451392
Austria fag here
it´s easyer to apply for a hunting license
also, there are more weapons available to hunters then SS
examples:
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5985562
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5784967
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5757192
> tfw germfags can get these funs, but we don´t
it still hurts, but btt
> Is it true that the police can visit me any time, without notice, to see if my weapons are safely stored?
it´s usally that way:
> hello mr anon, we would like to come to your place at 14:45 to check your funs
> Ok, I´ll be waiting for you
they call before they take a visit, because they do not want to waist their time waiting for you to come home
> "lol no"
it´s possible, yes
>>30451639
>what about for black powder antique weapons?
you need a license for black powder
>are those cash and carry?
I do not know if carrying of "Minderwirksame Waffen" is allowed in big D
>>30451744
How old are you? if <25 you have to do a MPU for large caliber guns.
In regards to your depression, when "Gefahr einer Selbstgefährdung besteht" you are not fit to own guns according to our laws. No idea though how they enforce it in real life.
I would suggest you contact some clubs in your area and talk to them and/or get in touch with the Bremen anon from above, because its always nice if you already know someone there.
OP here, checked the prices and they're really cheaper than I thought. Only about 100-150 bucks yearly. Also does the authority check your medical records? I kinda have a history with depression. I hope they' don't care or won't find out. Now my only problem would be my autism.
>>30451774
>>30451771
inception
>>30451659
That Verein are you from if I'm allowed to ask? I'm kinda autistic and it would be nice to already now someone.
>>30451771
Sorry, my grammar was all over the place in the previous post, I barely understood what I wrote myself.
>>30451778
Das würde ich ungern auf 4chan preisgeben, wenn dann persönlich über chat, z.b. halt steam wenn du hast
>>30451392
>Is it true that the police can visit me any time, without notice, to see if my weapons are safely stored?
Wohnräume dürfen gegen den Willen des Inhabers nur zur Verhütung dringender Gefahren für die öffentliche Sicherheit betreten werden
§ 36 (3) WaffG
they can of course ASK to see your storage.
>Is it true that, if I apply for a gun permit after being one year in the Schützenverein, the authority can just say "lol no" and that's that?
no, they can't. Willkürverbot.
>>30451788
You can add me on Steam if you like.
_samtheman_
>>30451796
gibt einige unter dem namen, hast du ein bild oder irgendwas?
>>30451454
NRW >No hassle
Not quite as bad as in bremistan but it's not hasslefree.
>>30451806
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198052947818/
Do you have to hunt regulary or can you just get the hunters license and then plink away at the range?
>>30451940
yes, just get the hunting license and never hunt.
Totally legal desu
>>30451964
>138 hours course
>2230€
Whew lad. I have a license in Norway so Im allowed bolt action / semi and shotguns anyone knows if this is valid in Germany?
>>30451984
I don´t think so
>>30451984
Isn´t there some kind of EU-license you could apply for?
>>30451984
Friend of mine had a guest from Finland who could hunt in Germany, NRW with his license.
As far as I know he only had to do some shooting test here.
>>30452018
Guest huntig yes but i live in Germany for the Moment so I'd have to purchase a gun here.
>>30452008
No idea have to Google that when I get home.
Any germanons from with a hunting license from RLP here? Thought of getting one for some sweet Bolt Action guns , but I am a poor student and have neither time nor money right now.
How long did it take you to do one and how much did it cost you in the end ?
>>30451774
Do you guys have to shoot at a range or can you just plink?
>>30452029
3 Wochen und um die 2000€.
Wohlgemerkt ohne Jagdausrüstung und Schrank.
Über die KS ist es billiger, die Ausbildung kann aber gerne länger als ein Jahr dauern.
Insg. habe ich un die 4000€ in meinen Einstieg ins Jägerleben gesteckt.
Wenn dir das alles zu teuer ist geh über den BDS oder den BDMP
>>30452055
Range.
>>30452055
Only at the range.
Blackpowder guns could in theory be shot at home but you would need to fulfill a shit ton of provisions
>>30452023
if you have a hunting license from Norway you can ask your Jagdbehörde whether they recognize it, that would save you the biggest hurdle in getting a German hunting license.
>>30452056
Danke für die schnelle Antwort .
Bin echt neidisch auf die Schulkameraden die während der Oberstufe ihren Jägerschein von ihren Großeltern bezahlt bekommen haben und alte Mauser gekriegt haben ;_;
Shit you guys in Austria and Germany have awful gun laws.
>>30452161
Hört sich nach Mercedes G-Klasse Fahrern an.
>tfw no Mauser von Opa
>>30452166
you swiss need to share the load and help the EU and open your borders for Mother Merkel.
>>30452166
Switzerland is the Texas of the EU.
Op
Yes police can visit you, but you don't have to let them in your house apartment.
You need to be in an shootingclub that is attached to a dachverband with a approved Sportordnung from the Bundesverwaltungsamt.
You need to be there at least 18 times shooting.
And have successfully done the fachkunde Prüfung.
You need a clean Polizeiliches Führungszeugnis
If you have all the stuff and they don't approve your permit, you can sue them.
Another anon here.
Is it possible to get a gun license as a dirty Ausländer with a blue card?
>>30452173
Our borders are already open. Like 25% of the population isn't Swiss and that's just the residents. All Germans, Italians and Frenchs who cross the border daily to work and go back home in the evening are not even accounted for, neither are all the illegals.
Anyway, soon the gun paradise Switzerland won't exist anymore.
The fucking Schengen treaty forces us to accept EU directives/laws, and you know what gun laws are being created by the EU (mandatory psychiatrist visit, mandatory gun safes, mag capacity restrictions, mandatory club membership, exams, no more folding stocks, no more internet sales, etc.). Sure, the army SIG 510's and 550's won't be touched, but all other firearms and firearm owners will get affected. Even a referendum won't do shit, as it would mean quitting Schengen, which isn't an option for the economy.
Switzerland's only hope is that the whole fucking EU collapses before directive 91/477/CEE gets revised.
>>30452965
Nah man, you are too pessimistic.
The EU won't be able to do shit since it will be up to the countries to apply this law or not.
At most they would require gun owners here in Switzerland to join a gun club, i doubt any gun ban will pass in Switzerland or throughout the EU.
>>30453397
Is that so? Do you really think that the socialist hobby-pianist Simonetta will defend your interests?
>>30453397
Do you know anything about the EU or are you just another American who has learned all about Switzerland from imagemacros?
>>30452166
besides longguns, Austria isn´t that bad
>>30453397
>The EU won't be able to do shit since it will be up to the countries to apply this law or not.
nyet
has to be implemented in half a year
>>30451392
They can inspect your storage, but if you tell them you dont have the time right now you can ask them to come back at another time the way i understand it.
Still, you do void your constitutional rights to the integrity of your home when you own guns.
Second, no, they can#t/won't deny you unless you have prior convictions or do not meet the requirements in another way.
Bremen is bottom barrel shit tier, even Hamburg would be better although it'll be nonwhite in a generation.
Good luck!
>>30454019
>>30453888
>>30453859
Wait, you guys actually believe that we will get our guns confiscated?
>>30451639
Percussion/needlefire/flintlock etc designed pre-1871 (designed means repros are fine too) is legal to own without license and registration
The best you can get there would be a sharps carbine, a breech loader that can use brass cases for the powder.
>>30452029
Paid 1400 for 6 month course + exam, regular shooting training included.
A lot better than the 2 week intensive courses desu, it would be too much in too little time. The exam is certainly something, but doable if you study enough. I can recommend it, as hunters can own guns more hassle-free than sports shooters.
>>30454561
t. Australia 1996
The EU directive would literally ban most semi autos except a few exceptions for sports shootersd that are members of organizations, it would give us europe wide mag caps and if the netherlands get their way they'll fucking start treating muskets the same way as AR15s.
This directive will leave us one shooting away from Japan-tier laws
>>30454683
So we are basically fucked?
What will our sports organization do? We have gun clubs everywhere which are filled with civilians with their Stgw 90s and Stgw 57, our entire gun culture will just die like that?
That's fucking it? I will get all my semi autos confiscated due to some organization that we don't even belong to?
>>30454561
not exactly
the shit they want to implement has a few things, like
> medical tests every 5 years
> revamping of the law every 2-5 years
> magazine ban
> and some more shit
I can´t recall everything, but this guy
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wknq3IaanHM
has made a rather good video about it
>>30454721
So yeah, I will be selling all my guns then.
Fuck this shit.
>>30454705
IF it passes, it's not certain yet and there's a huge petition that was promoted by basically every gun related magazine/site here in Germany with ~300k signatures.
You're not in the EU and you have a strong gun culture, your government already cucked you with the registry but this is something on a whole new level that already rustled feathers in Finland and the Czech Republic, among others.
However, IF it passes, chances are they'll start politely asking for and then confiscating the guns, as said registry means the state knows you have them.
I'm surely not the only one suspecting that the EU registry law was enacted precisely with this in mind, considering the semi auto ban proposal was drafted well before the Paris attacks.
>>30454747
Whatever is registered is at an extreme risk of eventual confiscation in the current political climate. As far as I know, guns originally sold before 2008 in Switzerland don't need to be registered, so whatever happens, you'll want one of those.
Don't just give up.
>>30454841
that´s a spencer carbine, right?
these are so SEXY
>>30454841
The EU council has already voted the law earlier this month.
>>30451392
>Is it true that the police can visit me any time, without notice, to see if my weapons are safely stored?
no, on very rare occasions some monkey from the verantwortliche waffenbehörde wants to visit your safe, not police. they mostly send you a letter few weeks prior. if they just ring ur bell? dont open the door or make an appointement for later you typical german failed cuck who doesnt know his own rights or the fucking grundgesetz. you dont have to let some random fucking cop in your house just because he wants to. i dont know legal owners who got ever visited, myself included. they want a pic of the safe on the first time often.
>Is it true that, if I apply for a gun permit after being one year in the Schützenverein, the authority can just say "lol no" and that's that? My state is kinda famous for being degenerate after all.
they cant decide like they want. its all written down in the laws. you meet the requirements from the law (no heavy criminal career etc.) ?
--> have fun with your waffenbesitzkarte and einkauf after 1 year Schützenverein.
Just do it now faggot. the more owners, the harder the future regulation and banning will be.
>>30451794
>they can of course ASK
Reminds me of how stupid people get when they want to be polite with the police because of fear of them and when "asked nicely" they give consent to enter their premises or consent to search their car. It's like the story with vampires - they have to be invited into the house, but then you're fucked.
>>30460013
But if you don't let them in, the waffenbehörde can withdraw your permits because of 'not reliable any more'.
They are not allowed to search your house or other rooms.
The persons I know of beeing visited also told me, that they weren't even allowed to touch the guns. They just had to show them the safe, the patch with the safes classification and the serial number of each weapon.
Normally there is no police involved, but I think it's a good idea to call them, if anyone wants to enter your house and see your guns. Especially, if you do not recognise them as your personal Sachbearbeiter.
> Bremen
>>30454721
The EU propositions are absolutely not acceptable in any way. Check this out: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:52015PC0750&from=EN
>>30457732
Yes and the Dutch presidency wants to make it even worse (banning muzzle loaders too)
But it still needs to pass the parliament. That's our last line of defense.
In essence, we're hoping for the first soviet to block a proposal from the politburo. Hold me, anons.
