http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-security-idUSKCN0ZF0WX
>Crushing Islamist militants in the Philippines will take precedence over territorial disputes in the South China Sea, the incoming defense minister said on Wednesday, and spending on military hardware would reflect that.
>Ongoing kidnappings and the recent beheading of Western hostages by Abu Sayyaf rebels were hurting the country's reputation, and incoming president Rodrigo Duterte was frustrated by the failure to rein in the group, Delfin Lorenzana told Reuters.
>He said the military would invest in more speed boats and helicopters to help flush out the group based on southern Jolo island, rather than divert funds into maritime security amid rising tensions and militarization in the South China Sea.
Where were you when Philippines betrayed the USA to China?
CIA color revolution/assassination/unknown snipers in 3...2...1...
You're right, whatever will the US do now that the mighty Philippine military no longer stands alongside us?
"Most Powerful Race in the world"
It's not like the Phillipines is capable of militarily challenging anybody in the South China Seas
They just don't have the budget.
>>30444038
Lol Flips are about to get chink shrimp dick shoved up their asses all thanks to socialist dumbfuck presidents.
Should have stayed American flips.
>>30444115
All the Murricans ever did was to murder anyone over 10 in the Philippines.
The Chinese, on the other hand, merely occupied a few submerged reefs in their claimed waters, while heavily investing in Philippine infrastructure for decades. Hell, even military hardware was sold to the Flips by the Chinese.
>>30444038
I'm just waiting until China sticks their dicks that little bit too far into Africa and draw serious Islamist domestic operations down on themselves. They've poked their heads out into economic imperialist expansion over the last decade. And it's only a matter of time.
>>30444136
>dat YELLOW SAVIOR meme again
inb4 Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere Part Duex
>>30444136
t. not flip
>>30444151
>I'm just waiting until China sticks their dicks that little bit too far into Africa and draw serious Islamist domestic operations down on themselves
Me too.
I can't wait for terrorists to fuck with China and receive glorious human right violation-tier retribution.
I'm sure my grand uncle would be rolling in his grave if he wasn't jammed in a mass, unmarked grave with other Filipinos and Americans.
>that look on my Lolo's face the one time he talked about seeing his brother executed by the japs
>>30444151
Wont happen, since China does not invade any country with their military forces. All they do is to support local strongmen who get weapons and money in exchange for economic contracts. If that strongman is removed from power due to coup, the Chinese simply make the same offer to the new government.
And it always works, even if the West has their fingers in it: See Sri Lanka, where a new government eliminated all Chinese contracts due to pressure from India and the USA, but eventually came crawling back to China for more money for them programs, because his new masters in Washington and Dheli werent ready to give that money and investments.
>>30444038
He's entirely right to do it.
Have you even looked at their air force lately? They're not in a position to challenge anyone.
>>30444136
nigga, get off 4chan and deliver my number 4 orange chicken with an eggroll. I've been waiting like 30 mins already.
>>30444180
>I can't wait for terrorists to fuck with China and receive glorious human right violation-tier retribution.
And do nothing but have a recruitment boom as a result. After all, those tactics worked so well for the Soviets/Russians over the last 25 years.
>>30444136
Ching Chong Ping Pong Billabong, 10 yuan have been deposited in your account
>>30444038
lol, The Flip don't have enough ship for naval war
pic related is Vietnam new war ship
>>30444038
The Phillipines are too weak to de facto influence the SCS. They actually deal with guerillas
>>30444191
>All they do is to support local strongmen who get weapons and money in exchange for economic contracts. If that strongman is removed from power due to coup, the Chinese simply make the same offer to the new government.
Tell me how well this plan worked for the Americans in Iran or Cuba. The British in Palestine or Egypt. Etc, etc. Once you're invested heavily enough, at some point someone will come along in one of your heavily invested areas and not want to play ball or get backing from an enemy. And you're forced to protect all that investment over there, much less all your citizens living over there.
They're already deep in the game, they just don't realize it yet. It'll be interesting to watch that realization come home.
>>30444038
>"We can't do shit about China and our neighbors, might as well do something we actually can accomplish, rest yall niggas in the SCS can do whatever man."
>>30444258
Thing is, China is very hands off. They have very few citizens living abroad and they have no problems in swallowing losses in men and investments for the long term gain.
China lost 4.8 billion investments in Sri Lanka for the cancelled Colombo Port City Project, that was terminated by that Pro-US/Indian regime. But instead of invading Sri Lanka to bring them to heels, they merely waited for the new president to crawl back to Beijing as he found out that the financial committment of both India and USA are hardly one tenth of what the Chinese offered.
Same as with other African investments, like in Sudan, where China weathered the civil war there (instigated by the West to split off the oil-rich country into a oil-rich and pro-Western South and a Pro-Chinese north with little oil supplies). In the end, China has contracts with both North and South Sudan, sells weapons to both as well, and has secured their oil supply by making it an economic lifeline for the war-effort of both combattants.
Chinese engineers and mercs now sit in the shades and drink ice-tea, while watching Northern Muslim Niggers and Southern Animistic Niggers killing each other over who can sell more oil to China.
>>30444314
>Thing is, China is very hands off. They have very few citizens living abroad and they have no problems in swallowing losses in men and investments for the long term gain.
I don't think you've been following developments in Africa over the last 5 or so years. This has changed in a big way. You might do a little digging and see if that impression still holds.
>China lost 4.8 billion investments in Sri Lanka
This is peanuts. China agreed to drop 60 billion dollars into Africa at the end of 2015, spread out over several countries and mostly in the form of loans and export credits, both of which are used to tie them closer to Chinese interests and enhance Chinese infrastructure on the ground. This is just government baseline aid, it doesn't account for the massive private and state-run enterprise investments in specific projects.
>In the end, China has contracts with both North and South Sudan, sells weapons to both as well, and has secured their oil supply by making it an economic lifeline for the war-effort of both combattants.
>Chinese engineers and mercs now sit in the shades and drink ice-tea, while watching Northern Muslim Niggers and Southern Animistic Niggers killing each other over who can sell more oil to China.
I know this is /k/, but weapons sales and mercenary agreements are less than a drop in the bucket on the scale with which China is operating in Africa.
>>30444136
>murder anyone over 10.
You're right. That is terrible.
We didn't follow up with replacing them with white americans after.
Our bad.
>>30444136
t. Totally a flip
>>30444378
To be clear, I'm not calling the Chinese African interests exploitative or passing judgement on their goals there. I'm simply pointing out that they're hitching more and more of their economic drivers to expansion, raw materials and cheap labor in Africa. I do not think they've magically cracked the code for stability across Africa. No one has.
>>30444314
>China lost 4.8 billion investments in Sri Lanka
Anon? I've got some news to catch you up on...
>>30444378
China has a lot of investments in Africa, but their strategy did not change all that much. There will never be Chinese interventionism in the countries they invested into. That's not how China does it. China sees Africa as TRADE PARTNERS and not 'resource appendages' as the West does, who can have their territorial sovereignity violated via drone strikes whenever Washington wants it.
If China wants someone dead, they sell UAVs to the African nation in question and lets their own government sort it out.
And, despite all wishful thinking, Muslims generally dont hate the Chinese. Saudi Arabia and China have a very long trade partnership, and the Pakistani, with their very influencial intelligence service, is firmly on China's side since 60 years now.
>>30444258
>Tell me how well this plan worked for the Americans in Iran or Cuba.
USA Embargoed the shit out of Cuba so fuck no, USA's hands are tied by their own ideals.
If that was China, China would still make deals with that country. Even if it chases their investors with pitchforks and torches.
Case in point: Vietnam, Burma.
>>30444433
100 billion are peanuts for China.
China, in 2009 alone, invested 600 billion in infrastructure projects.
>>30444314
>very few
Try 53 million worldwide oversea Chinese with a population that looks to be growing geometrically in some countries.
>>30444436
>There will never be Chinese interventionism in the countries they invested into. That's not how China does it.
What about Tibet, Vietnam and Laos? What about North Korea? How can you be so sure of your theory?
>And, despite all wishful thinking, Muslims generally dont hate the Chinese.
Anon, have you not been paying attention to all the Uighur Muslims? To the conflicts and attacks in western China? They have a proportionally small problem now, entirely domestic. What do you think happens when they get serious funding and a push across that indefensible western border?
>>30444440
>USA Embargoed the shit out of Cuba so fuck no, USA's hands are tied by their own ideals.
If you don't have a clue about history, this probably isn't the discussion to jump in to. Anon was clearly talking about the US relationship with Cuba leading up to Castro's seizure of power.
>>30444440
>Vietnam
Anon, China invaded Vietnam. That's a really bad example.
>>30444456
>100 billion are peanuts for China.
It's been increasing year on year by 40-50% for the last 5 years. It'll be several hundred billion within the decade, barring a major conflict event.
>>30444467
>Try 53 million worldwide oversea Chinese with a population that looks to be growing geometrically in some countries.
>ITT: I have no idea how East Asians work.
Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese aren't like Filipinos who will claim their expatriate immigrant communities as their own. To them they're not East Asians anymore but whoever they are in their host-countries. Plain and simple.
Jesus, and the feeling is reverse as well. The cunts who are leading the fight versus China in the Philippines are the fucking Mestizo Flips and the Chinkflip Elite to begin with while the native nignogs are easily paid off by the Chinese.
>>30444467
And? China never intervened in Indonesia when they murdered half a million overseas and ethnic Chinese people there in 1998.
>>30444521
Dude chill.
I was just addressing the claim that there weren't that many ethnically chinese people overseas.
>>30444489
And the Anon he was replying to is talking about how China does not give a shit about the government in place so long as it does business. So if USA did what Chinks do, they would not mind Batista being overthrown and made deals with Castro's government.
That's how Chinks operate in Africa: non-interventionism and not giving a shit about their political views.
>Anon, China invaded Vietnam. That's a really bad example.
It's a VERY GOOD example of what I am talking about. Chinks and Charlie have bad blood, but they're still the closest of Business partners. Even when the Viets had that riot back in 2013 or something which trashed Chinese factories & businesses.
>>30444038
This is going to sound /pol/ as fuck but does anyone wish there were some space nazis working on some magic/scifi superweapon that turns all the billions of 'diverse' people into nordic aryans. Not kill them or anything but otherwise use their biomass to make instant Aryans? I just want to see a neo-Nazi empire pop up and build giant death stars with iron crosses on them to vaporize ayyy lmaos and gain more space lebensraum.
>>30444550
>they would not mind Batista being overthrown and made deals with Castro's government.
Except you're both missing the point that Castro and Batista were Soviet-backed, meaning there was never a world where they'd be dealing with the US on a level field in 1950. That's what you're missing: if someone just as big and mean with competing interests funds a strongman to go in a facefuck your strongman, you either have to write off your entire investment and a good portion of your citizens living there or fight for it. If China keeps investing all across Africa, at some point in the near future one of those investments will simply be too big to just write off.
>but they're still the closest of Business partners.
No, they're really not. Especially if we're looking at the decade just after that conflict. China singlehandedly opened Vietnam back up to US business and trade. Today it's a toss-up whether Vietnamese hate Chinese or Americans more - with Chinese usually getting the raw end.
>>30444473
>What about Tibet, Vietnam and Laos? What about North Korea? How can you be so sure of your theory?
Tibet belonged to China ever since the Qing-Dynasty and only opportunistically declared indpendence while China had an inter-dynastic civil war. China has a claim on Tibet as their own territory. This is why they intervened. China has no claim over Africa.
Vietnam was a Cold War conflict, where the USSR directly challenged China by placing their naval assets to Cam Ranh Bay and signing a Soviet-Vietnam defense treaty. China invaded because they wanted to punish Vietnam invading Cambodia, a Chinese ally, and to show the Vietnamese that the Soviets cant be relied on, thereby violating the treaty that they have just signed a month ago. This was power-politics, with no economic interests involved. And not to forget, China was supported politically by the USA in that war, who was at that point basically allied with China during the Sino-US honeymoon period (the War itself was adviced by none other but Kissinger himself - Read his "On China" book).
Laos was also part of that Cold War period, but there were actually no Chinese troops involved.
And what about North Korea? When did China ever intervene? Korean War? That's because the US threatened to overstep the Sino-Korean border after defeating NK and China had to react to safe their buffer zone. Again, it was in their immediate sphere of interest, and nowhere to be comparable to Africa.
Seriously. You should read a bit more about China's geopolitical interests. They have certain "core interests" (like the SCS, Taiwan, North Korea) that they are ready to shed blood for, but no global ambitions, and certainly not in Africa. If they lose their investment there, it will never be a reason for them to go apeshit.
>>30444473
And Uighur Muslims are a non-problem. They are easily suppressed by the virtue of having no guns in China. And even if the West funds them (which they already do: Their exile HQ is in Munich, Germany), they still wont be able to defeat the Han population in their territory, who are outnumbering them and have absolutely no sympathies for their seperatism or islamic faith.
I feel you are grasping at straws here.
Uighurs are only really liked by the Turkroaches, whom they are related to.
Anyone in the Islamic world wouldnt touch them with a 10 feet pole. Hell, the entire central asian countries even deport Uighurs back to China and into their deaths.
Viet here.
The Chinese have a principal for foreign policy from ancient time "be friend with country that far from China and bully country that near China" that why they will become good friend with Africa and bully more and more Flip and Viet.
>>30444589
The Flips are US back and they still have shitloads of investments in there.
So are many other iFrican countries.
>>30444599
I'm actually impressed with this. It's rare you get this ballsy a collection of revisionist, reductionist and flat out inaccurate statements. Gotta hand it to you, that takes a sack.
>>30444606
>And Uighur Muslims are a non-problem. They are easily suppressed by the virtue of having no guns in China.
Until they aren't. Considering what they already manage with kitchen knives, don't you wonder what happens when they start getting funding from SA or Pakistan and start building bombs? Is there anyone really dumb enough not to worry about that just a little?
>>30444038
>Philippine
can't even put down their own Muslim Terrorists.
>>30444664
They are already building bombs and still can't do shit but bomb market stalls in Urumqi or Hotan and include their own people in the casualty lists.
>>30444664
>I'm actually impressed with this. It's rare you get this ballsy a collection of revisionist, reductionist and flat out inaccurate statements. Gotta hand it to you, that takes a sack.
So, what's your take?
Tibet as independent country? Shit, not even Taiwan thinks they were ever independent. Same as Mongolia.
Not to forget; all your "examples" are at least 30-40 years ago. The USA invaded a shitton of countries in that time.
I really fucking wonder how you fucks can double-think all that time: In one thread, you claim that China has no combat experience because they fought no war since 30 years, as if it was something bad, and in another, like this thread, you cry about Chinese interventionalism (30 years ago), as if China did this every day.
And Uighurs arent a thread. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind. And yes, they have already built bombs and blew shit up. In Beijing, no less.
And? Still I see no independent Turkistan or an Uighur Flag over Tiananmen.
>>30444436
>And, despite all wishful thinking, Muslims generally dont hate the Chinese. Saudi Arabia and China have a very long trade partnership, and the Pakistani, with their very influencial intelligence service, is firmly on China's side since 60 years now.
Wow. If I were bordered by 4 of the top 10 most terror-connected/active countries in the world, I don't think I'd have that much bounce in my swagger, especially as I just get into Africa in a big way.
>>30444745
And for being in this neighborhood, China was targeted by very few terrorist activities that were caused by true Jihadist movements.
Uighurs are merely a seperatism problem, like Chechens. And they will be brought to heels eventually, just like them.
Maybe the reason why the West is being hit so hard by terrorists, despite not bordering any terrorist-connected country, is their own very recent and acute history of arbitrary interventionalism? Maybe it has something to do with NeoCon-styled crusaderdom, spreading democracy via bombing campaigns and destabilizing countries like Lybia and Syria for some naiive dream about 'Arab Democracy'?
See, China never does something like this. China never launches Crusades to spread their ideology. It is a historical fact. Maybe this is why China is hardly targeted by global Jihad.
>>30444787
Sticking as close as you can to that talking points sheet, eh Chow? Just keep repeating it. It'll be true someday.
>>30444805
>Just keep repeating it. It'll be true someday.
It already is true.
How many Subway bombings by Jihadists happened in the West, and how many in China?
How many Arab countries were destabilized and "freed" by the West, and how many did China bestow their Freedoms upon?
China is the world's last truly Conservative power. And true Conservatives never launch ideologic crusades.
>>30444530
They totally should have.
Teach those seamuslims whose boss.
Even though I don't like chicoms that much, one thing commies are great at is removing kebabs.
>>30444827
>How many Subway bombings by Jihadists happened in the West, and how many in China?
How long since China actually pulled it's head out of it's ass and started investing in countries with sizable muslim populations?
>How many Arab countries were destabilized and "freed" by the West, and how many did China bestow their Freedoms upon?
kek
>China is the world's last truly Conservative power. And true Conservatives never launch ideologic crusades.
Do you even history bro?
>>30444848
>How long since China actually pulled it's head out of it's ass and started investing in countries with sizable muslim populations?
Ever since the 50s.
Pakistan was a traditional Chinese partner, and in Africa, China has invested since the 60s to gain their votes for China's UN security council seat over Taiwan's.
Nothing happened.
I guess there is a difference between building railways in Africa and supporting nativist independence movements, to Post-Colonial meddling and toppling of regimes, which was, btw, what the Brits, French and the Murricans always did.
Tanzania, for once, was the first Chinese partner in Africa. And they still are today. Voluntarily and despite all "offers" and meddling by the West.
Pic: Tanzanian Type 59G.
>>30444586
Subtle real subtle
>>30444887
Tanzanian Marines and PLAN Marines in joint excercise.
>>30444908
>>30444887
>Pakistan was a traditional Chinese partner, and in Africa, China has invested since the 60s to gain their votes for China's UN security council seat over Taiwan's.
Arms sales is not infrastructure investment, anon. You're operating under a significant misapprehension of scale. China, in it's entire history, has not invested resources and citizens in a significantly foreign market within an order of magnitude of what they've done in Africa over the last 5 years. The ballgame has changed. It's no longer business as usual, with Chinese interests sticking a toe in here, a finger there.
But you can feel free to keep pretending nothing has changed. We'll see soon enough.
>>30444917
Bangladesh as well.
They even produce the Type 81 rifle in licence as BD-08.
Bangladesh is also an old Chinese partner, nearly as old as Pakistan is.
Both share their hatred for India, and love for China.
>>30444038
Why is this going to make the USA mad, nigger?
>Deal with internal problems first.
>Hopefully get closer to solve them.
>Island Mexican Asians can now turn their attention to external shit.
Seriously, how?
>>30444926
You are claiming that for at least 5 years now. And I see see nothing new.
China's basic modus operanti makes them less vulnerable to political and religious agitation. Simple as that.
Even mad islamists want to earn money to pay their troops and buy virgins. And China helps them making money. Hence, China can literally cooperate with anyone without meddling with their vendetta too much.
>>30444926
Heh. Two curves are going to intersect in Africa; China's need for resources, and Africa's population. It'll be interesting to see what happens when a famine hits, and these massive Chinese farms are exporting food.
>>30444954
>China's basic modus operanti makes them less vulnerable to political and religious agitation. Simple as that.
As anon above pointed out, how can you possibly now this? The Chinese are operating on a completely different economic and political model as well as 50x the scale in Africa than they've ever done.
>>30444975
Africa and famine is such a dumb meme holy shit.
It isnt the 90s anymore. Many African countries with significant Chinese investments havent had famines in decades. And China always ensures their governments that production priority is for their domestic use, while surplus is being exported to China.
>>30444992
Yes, but even then, China isnt meddling in their politics. How can it be so hard to understand? China literally doesnt care who is in power and who said what against which ethnicy. China is securing their investments by providing the economic lifeline to all parties in a country, even during civil war. Sudan is the best case study.
>>30445014
>China isnt meddling in their politics.
Anon, are you really so naive as to think that infrastructure investments representing 10% or more of a country's total GDP JUST IN GOVERNMENT AID, not even including private or state-run enterprise, is somehow in a complete vacuum and outside of all politics? In 2013, total Chinese investment in Zambia was over 40% compared to their total GDP. If you think that does not represent a significant investment in that political system you're insane. No one is dropping 10+B dollars a year into a country and just going to be "totally ok" with a complete stability collapse for 4 years while a brand new government sorts itself out after a revolt/coup.
I don't know of another way to explain this, and I'm having a very hard time getting why you're unable to understand this basic concept in global economics and geopolitics.
>>30445002
Okay, so they can feed. 800 million. What about 2 billion? Can they prioritize local production then?
>>30445076
This. They can only export in a lot of these countries because they are underpopulated. If the investments stabilize the country and the population grows to a closer full-use equilibrium, it will become more and more difficult to extract and export massive surpluses from arable land.
Flip here, Duterte is on a CIA regime change list now since cozying up to China
No one here believes he will last 6 years, maybe just 1 or 2
>>30444940
God that Woodland Chocolate Chip is sexy
>>30445069
All what you said already happened in Sri Lanka. Including regime change and kicking out Chinese investors.
Guess what happened.
>>30445100
Americans are sour losers.
I wouldnt mind them regime changing whoever they want, but in the end, it will always be the ordinary people who will suffer.
>>30445196
>All what you said already happened in Sri Lanka.
See >>30444378
>This is peanuts.
again. You're operating an order of magnitude smaller.
>>30445263
>again. You're operating an order of magnitude smaller.
How small is a border conflict spilling over to China proper?
Myanmar, who cozied up to the West recently, actually killed quite a few Chinese villagers across the border, all the while China was massively investing into a strategic port project. And they never even apologized for their brazen murder of Chinese people, while Hillary Clinton visited them and spoke of "The new hope for Democracy in South East Asia", while completely ignoring that the generals still hold power in the new government - only to spite China, who seemed to have lost a client-state.
The Chinese punitive campaign never happened. Instead, China continued to invest into Myanmar and even sold them more weapons (while providing arms and training to Pro-Chinese rebels as well, as a hedge).
In the end, Myanmar also came back crawling to China, apologized for their border incursions, paid compensation to the villagers, and signed contract for more ports and even continued to allow the Chinese to evict Burmese people for that one dam project.
See, this is how China does things.
Unimaginable for Westeners who believe everything has to be solved via gunboat policies.
>>30445320
>Grabbing ethnic chinese traders from their stalls to execute them in the open
>>30445349
This is what the Pro-American Burmese are doing every day.
A "Democracy" according to Clinton.
>>30445320
>China didn't support the Communist Party of Burma
>China doesn't support the United Wa State Army
>All conflict in Myanmar is driven by Western interventionism
Anon, are you just throwing shit out there and hoping no one actually knows anything about the topic?
>>30445372
Yes, and?
Wa and Kachin are ethnic Chinese and remants of the KMT forces who fled/remained there since the Burma Campaign of WWII. And China has ignored them a long time for nurturing relations with the official Burmese government.
The Burmese Communist Party is destroyed by the betrayal of an Ethnic Chinese Commander, Peng Jia Sheng, who founded his own Warlord Kingdom instead. That's old story and not relevant to the current conflict anymore, which rather sees the government unilaterally ending the 30 years of ceasefire/peace between them and the ethnic militia (who all dont want to end up like the Rohingya, understandably).
The Chinese offered the olive branch and joint peace talks with all groups involved. But since the Burmese cozied up with the US; they dont want to hear it anymore, and continue to genocide these ethnicities instead.
Until now, when Burma came back crawling to Beijing for more money.
Nice try, though.
I hope you are aware that you argue with a regional researcher in this domain.
>>30445428
>Western interventionism and international interest is evil no matter what, no matter when
>Chinese intervention is always heroic and in the best interest of all people
Gotta love that Vatnik/Chicom doublethink.
>>30445467
Can you do without memes?
I guess not.
Chinese interventionalism is only for China's own interest. Make no mistake. Chinese arent fans of charity. But Chinese interventionalism is less heavy handed as the West's are. Mostly, it is becuase China simply lacks the capability to project power, but also partly because Chinese traditional policy since the Dynasties of old was always to 'let babarians fight babarians' and rarely involve themselves in other people's matters.
>>30445487
>Can you do without memes?
It's not a meme if it's a direct and obvious summation of your thoughts ITT.
>But Chinese interventionalism is less heavy handed as the West's are.
Over the last 30 years China directly backed, funded and armed two separate militant groups in a neighbor state, in one country alone. Sounds pretty fucking heavy handed to me. Certainly no less heavy handed than any US intervention in a mildly-invested region over the last three decades.
>also partly because Chinese traditional policy since the Dynasties of old was always to 'let babarians fight babarians' and rarely involve themselves in other people's matters.
Once again, for the short bus, I point out that China investing 100B a year in Africa and increasing every year makes those regions China's interest, not just the natives. I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding this, aside from the fact that it's never been seen before in China's entire history.
>>30445364
Good start.
Glad to see someone's taking out the trash.
>>30445543
>Once again, for the short bus, I point out that China investing 100B a year in Africa and increasing every year makes those regions China's interest, not just the natives. I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding this, aside from the fact that it's never been seen before in China's entire history.
This. When you go halfway around the world and build entire markets around resource export and agriculture, ore and food aren't the only things you bring back with you. Western countries know this. China will soon learn.
>>30445543
>Over the last 30 years China directly backed, funded and armed two separate militant groups in a neighbor state, in one country alone. Sounds pretty fucking heavy handed to me. Certainly no less heavy handed than any US intervention in a mildly-invested region over the last three decades.
Not as heavy handed as conducting regime change with said armed groups you founded.
Or conducting airstrikes.
>Once again, for the short bus, I point out that China investing 100B a year in Africa and increasing every year makes those regions China's interest, not just the natives. I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding this, aside from the fact that it's never been seen before in China's entire history.
And you will still not see any Chinese interventionalism because of that.
>>30445600
>Not as heavy handed as conducting regime change with said armed groups you founded.
Totally not the goal of funding, arming and training ethnically driven militant groups. Nope.
>And you will still not see any Chinese interventionalism because of that.
Right. And your logical argument for why they would just walk away from all that investment with an "aw shucks" is? What? I still haven't heard one in this thread aside from "China doesn't do that" or "China does things differently" (in spite of the fact that there doesn't seem to be much difference historically). Never mind that China has never been involved like this before. Give me a single rational economic or political argument aside from simply lacking the military resources why China would walk away from several hundred billion dollars of infrastructure and private enterprise investment if Zambia went up in smoke 5 years from now.
>>30445650
>Totally not the goal of funding, arming and training ethnically driven militant groups. Nope.
No, it is not.
Wa and Kachin militia are a hedge. They are ethnic milita and will never be able to topple the government which belongs to the majority ethnicity of Burma. It simply isnt possible, as they have no support beyond their ethnicity.
They are armed and funded by China as a buffer-zone against possible Burmese encroachment into Yunnan, China.
Holy shit, you are grasping at straws now. Did you really think that ethnic milita can topple a government? You probably beleive that ISIS will take over Washington as well, right?
>Give me a single rational economic or political argument aside from simply lacking the military resources why China would walk away from several hundred billion dollars of infrastructure and private enterprise investment if Zambia went up in smoke 5 years from now.
Because antagonizing a country will barr you from further investments, when political climate improves. Chinese, as people, know that grudge can hold very very long.
Swallowing losses is short term pain compared to burn a bridge completely.
>>30445691
>Chinese, as people, know that grudge can hold very very long.
Yet they've done just that in Burma/Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, etc.
Look at the SCS. If Chinese strategy were as you claim, they wouldn't be aggressively dickslapping every sea neighbor they have.
Frankly, there's just not much correlation between the reality of Chinese actions over the last 5-8 years and what you're claiming. You can keep handwaving legitimate facts away, but it doesn't change the reality.
>>30445753
Look at the SCS and look at OP's article.
Looks like you failed, America. You could not capitalize on the 'intense hatred all asians have against China' as you claimed so.
In fact, China never burned any bridges, even with all the disputes going on.
Prime example would be Philippines and Indonesia, latter of which just sunk a Chinese fishing trawler, but still allow the Chinese to build a high-speed railway in their country, even when a much friendlier neighbor, Japan, was also offering their technology and expertize - in vain, I'd add.
>Frankly, there's just not much correlation between the reality of Chinese actions over the last 5-8 years and what you're claiming. You can keep handwaving legitimate facts away, but it doesn't change the reality.
And how does OP's article and the 180° turn of the Philippine Government fit in your narrative? Hmm?
>>30445753
>>30445805
And not to mention that ASEAN still cannot deliver a joint statement against China, even with them "aggressively dickslapping every sea neighbor they have".
How does this fit in your narrative?
>Myanmar
Myanmar shot first and killed Chinese people. Do not flip that around, just because it is convenient to do so.
>>30445805
>In fact, China never burned any bridges, even with all the disputes going on.
This is what the death of rational conversation looks like. I'm up for a little suffering but I'm no masochist. You have yourself a good one.
>>30445896
You still never answered my question. How does all that hatred against China, as you claimed, fit into the sudden 180° of Philippines, and the continued contract and investments in Indonesia?
Didnt China already burned all brigdes, as you claimed?
I guess I'm right, after all. And you are wrong.
Enjoy your day.
Another American BTFO.
Enjoyable Thread, OP.
>>30445921
Why do you care what we think? Go win magic victory points somewhere else.
So if I understand this thread, China is benevolent outside its borders but tyrannic inside and Western powers are the opposite.
Why can't we have both?
>>30444191
>China does not invade any country with their military forces.
Tibet, Vietnam, India, the USSR etc etc
>>30444473
>Uighur being suppressed
>conveniently forgetting the Huis, Kazakhs, Dongxiang (which is practically Hui) and other central asian ethnic muslim minority
Even when the Uighur is suppressed, they're still allowed to practiced their faith.
In fact, the catholics are more repressed because the bishops swear their fealty to the Holy see, not Beijing, thus the reason why there are schism between the government-sponsored catholics and the regular ones.
>>30444906
At least there was a disclaimer in the beginning.
>>30446209
>>conveniently forgetting the Huis, Kazakhs, Dongxiang (which is practically Hui) and other central asian ethnic muslim minority
I bet he'd worry a little more about them when they start running around chopping up a couple dozen people at a time in train stations, malls, etc.
>>30444926
Are you conveniently forgetting CPEC? It's practically a bypass route that would make Malacca strait (which are controlled by american allies/america-friendly countries) strategically irrelevant.
>>30444038
I think it's funny that China is buttering up on the Philippines.
To put things into perspective, India spent almost 100 billion dollars on massive arms procurement in the last decade (from buying shit tons of Flankers, new tanks, new attack helicopters, new aircraft carriers, even their own anti ballistic missile shield), and China was, like "meh".
But when the flips bought a dozen of trainers from South Korea, they become "concerned" on "escalation of arms race" in the region, even went as far as discreetly asking the gooks to call the deal off.
Do the chinks sees the flips more as a threat compared to india?
God Americans prove once again that they talk out of their ass and don't know shit about anything.
There's literally nothing they can do to fight China. It would be more pressing for them to take care of insurgencies and Muslims in Mindanao before even thinking about fighting the Chinese. And this is coming from someone who lived and worked there both as a civilian and U.S. mil. Philippine airforce is nonexistant and are completely gutted. Didn't see what their armor looked like, but I'm sure it's some aging M60s or other equivalent.
>>30445753
>Yet they've done just that in Burma/Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, etc.
Don't forget about India. That's a good one to remember.
>>30446311
>God Americans prove once again that they talk out of their ass and don't know shit about anything.
>And this is coming from someone who lived and worked there both as a civilian and U.S. mil.
hilarious
>>30446294
Resources. Between a barren border occupied by street-shitters and cow worshippers and a region with trillions (yes, trillions) of dollars worth of resources (oil, natural gas, fishing rights, not to mention shipping lanes that transport shit worth at least 3 trillion dollars annually), I think the chink knows where their priorities at.
afaik they only have 2 ground division near indian border, mostly dealing with drug/goods smuggling and subversive elements rather than full on vanguard against the might of indian military
I don't know why you guys argue so much against Chinks. Chinks are their own worst enemies. Just let them enslave Asia and take their resources and everyone will return their love to USA.
