is the Mirage 2000 any good?
it's alright
>>30442122
this
>>30442119
What do you need it to do?
>>30442119
If it's only for travel purposes, a 737 would be less noisy, but the Mirage sure is faster, and you can practice for your CAS habilitation while you're up there.
>>30442173
To bomb people.
>>30442395
Killing two birds and all that. :)
>>30442579
>>30442119
equal with an F-16 if both pilots are competent
also beautiful machine
>>30442954
Is this bait? I don't even know on /k/ anymore.
>>30442954
Greek air force has them both kek
>>30442579
>>30442587
what is that a torpedo bay? And what are the holes that are boxed in red?
>>30443163
>And what are the holes that are boxed in red?
I'm going to throw an educated guess and say sonobuoy ejection ports. Possibly countermeasures, but most likely sonobuoys.
>>30443163
The answer is yes.
I wonder if NDBs are cleared for use yet.
>>30443349
Both. I'm sure poop will be involved at times during ops.
>>30443649
>I'm sure poop will be involved at times during ops.
Only at high altitude. FHASC (Frozen High Altitude ShitCicle) is the preferred weapon against subs caught on the surface.
>>30443547
>dem poons
I can't wait to see LRASMs up on P-8s.
>>30442954
Equal to F16 ? Which Block ?
>>30442978
You must have missed that episode with the Greek Mirage 2000 shooting down a Turkish F16.
>>30442119
It's a turkey. It's a lemon. It's a flying piano
>>30444099
>You must have missed that episode with the Greek Mirage 2000 shooting down a Turkish F16.
So one A2A combat victory now constitutes total platform dominance? Interesting. Maybe you should ask Egypt or the UAE how they feel about the comparison, and why they bought more F-16s instead of 2000s.
>>30444197
>So one A2A combat victory now constitutes total platform dominance?
that is categorically not what anon said. He said with competent pilots the jets can be equals, demonstrably so from the example he provided. Drop the hyper defensive attitude.
>>30444268
Obvious samefag is depressingly obvious.
>>30444298
quote both comments so I can prove you wrong
>>30444298
>>30444360
no?
guess it's not that obvious then if you back down so quick
>>30444639
They're literally 4 posts away from each other. Take a screenshot. I'm not even going to bother with someone too dumb to figure it out.
>>30444693
here's how it works
you quote the two comments you think are 'samefagging'. I screenshot it, showing only one of the comments has a (you) beside it. Then you look retarded.
preferably sooner rather than later
PS The amount of distance between comments could not be any more meaningless
>>30444731
Not that anon, but what the fuck are you even on about? That is not how this machine works. Even if it were, you could do it yourself if it were that damn important.
>>30444693
now fuck up and eat your words
>>30444773
Holy fuck are you bad at photoshop. Thanks for the keks, I haven't had a good chuckle yet today.
The Mirage has a better instantaneous turn rate. The F-16 has a better sustained turn rate.
The Mirage 2000-5 with MICA and RDY radar gave some headaches to F-15C jockeys back in 1992.
It's also a solid airframe. pic related went down in the sea, got bailed out, repaired, and is still flying.
>>30444851
If the Mirage can also function as a submarine, then I'd say it obviously gets the nod.
>>30442173
I wanna make Iron Man look like an antique, I wanna go to that Stark Expo, I wanna take a dump on Tony’s front yard.
>>30444851
That's actually pretty impressive
>>30444851
>pic related went down in the sea, got bailed out, repaired, and is still flying.
>Greek
Yeah, I'm not surprised. Doesn't mean other airframes can't do that, more that they can't afford not to.
I like how it looks so its ok in my book
>>30442119
nowadays it's obsolete but it's still a beautiful plane. Most MiGs fall into the same category of "old but stunning".
>>30446114
it's avionics may be old but is far from being "obsolete"
Mirage 4000 will never become operational ;_;
>>30442119
A Mirage 2000-5Mk2 can be compared to an F16 block 40/50.
As per air-frame only, the Mirage 2000 has better ITR than the F16, although the F16 has slightly better STR. That makes it pretty much equal to it in terms of WVR combat.
In BVR combat, it depends on the pilot and the missile, probably the better STR of the F16 could provide better survivability, but that's just that.
That is, in A2A combat.
The F16 is far better as a multirole and strike fighter.
I'd do as the Greeks do. Keep a small fleet of M2000-5Mk2 for Air superiority and F16 for multirole-type missions.
>>30446149
It's avionics suite can and has been upgraded (at least in France's and UAE's aircraft it has).
>>30446114
>obsolete
You don't know the meaning of that word. When Tuscanos are still capable of doing most military jobs that aren't A2A, any 3rd gen jet or better isn't obsolete.
Even shit like the P-51 would still be reasonably effective in modern threatres for CAS as long as sinbad isn't packing a SPAAG.
>>30446247
I think it also depends on the airframe. Newer Mirages must be better than some ancient second-hand F-16's.
>>30446267
Yes, but Dassault fucked up by not developing more upgrades program for mirage 2000 considering that many air forces in the world still fly it.
>>30446283
Well technically they are obsolete, since there are much better preforming aircraft. Functionally they of course are not though.
>>30446303
Which is especially amusing in the light of their neverending struggle with Rafale.
>>30442119
People are retiring them left and right (taiwan, brazil, UAE, peru, even the french themselves)
>>30446303
Dassault is retarded.
They could have at least outsourced some parts to bring down the price.
Instead they jumped on the Rafale meme which is already outdated and half a generation behind the Cheaper F-35.
>>30446367
What struggle? Other than slow sale, the aircraft is practically flawless
>>30446460
>slow sale
More like little to no sale.
>>30446460
see: >>30446455
Nobody is buying Rafales. Not even the old Mirage 2k customers.
>>30446496
>>30446483
30 second of googling proved that you're wrong.
>>30446514
How 4 dozens sold for two countries and a handful of failed bids in 15 years prove I was wrong? That's less than 50 exported aircraft in 15 years. India bought more than 1.5 times more Su-30 as a mere addition to their previous contract. Rafale sells like shit, it's silly to deny it.
>>30446602
Is the Rafale like the the Sega Dreamcast?
Caught in that awkward gap between generations of technology?
>>30446602
Do yo math. Qatar and Egypt bought 24 aircraft each, while India has committed itself on buying at least 36
>>30446671
One could say that. It also costs metric fuckton for a 4+ gen, which I believe is one of the main reasons almost no one buys it.
>>30446455
>Dassault is retarded
>Instead they jumped on the Rafale meme which is already outdated and half a generation behind the Cheaper F-35.
Damn
>>30446697
What is wrong with my math, lol? 48 is literally exactly 4 dozens and India did buy 72 more Su-30, which is frankly enough exactly (okay, not "more than", I thought it was 75, not 72) 1.5 times more than the total amount of Rafales ever exported.
>India has committed itself on buying at least 36
Yeah, sure, cool story. On all levels except physical they have a signed contract.
>>30446760
>On all levels except physical they have a signed contract.
I kek'd
>>30446455
As if everyone in the world just dreams about ruining their military industry by jumping on Lockmart cuck train. It's rather see the French developing something on their own instead.
>>30442119
What is with Euros and delta wings?
>>30446803
Khui knows.
>>30446822
Why didn't Russia choose this over PAKFA?
>>30442119
are you fucking implying that you're going to buy a jet op
>>30447227
The line closed down a long time ago.
All that is left are some old, used Mirage 2k.
>>30447189
Because its development was postponed with the fall of the USSR and by the time PAK FA program began it was already deemed obsolete. T-50 is better in every imaginable way.
>>30442119
>Air Marshal rtd, Harish Masand, then Wing Commander and CO of First Supersonics (MiG-29 squadron) versus the No.1 Tigers squadron led by then Wing Commander Ahluwahlia (later Air Marshal).
>Evaluation in 1988:
>MiG-29 outperformed the Mirage 2000 in "every sphere", parameters mentioned: STR, ITR, climb (climb rate). Range to payload of Mirage 2000 better, but MiG-29 and Mirage consumed almost the same amount of fuel in combat situations as the latter had to use afterburner more often.
>http://bharatrakshak.wikia.com/wiki/MiG-29
It is not that great. Hence the rather quick abandonment of the platform, even by the French.
>>30446283
>Even shit like the P-51 would still be reasonably effective in modern threatres for CAS as long as sinbad isn't packing a SPAAG.
Implying the pilots could even find their way to the target.
Please stop posting.
>>30446247
Greeks use the mirage as a platform for the SCALP missile, but sometimes they still dogfight turks.
>>30447722
>>30447904
I'd chose the best my country has to offer. The French has left NATO one, do you really think they have no industry on their own or wish to ruin it now? There still are countries out there that do not want to become complete cucks only buying what they are told to buy. Lockmart can enjoy the rest.
>>30447996
I'd still put my money on Lockheed Martin. In spite of all the shit thrown against them, much of which is probably true, they seem to make a pretty damn good product when all is said and done. That's no insult to Dassault, who also seems to produce a fine fighter, but they're not in the same league. That's especially true when you consider the networks that they are tied to.
>>30448067
It's not the matter of how good or not the products they make are. It's the matter of retaining capability to remain independent from a foreign exporter. Especially is this exporter is Lockmart.
>>30446792
Changing the subject.
Could a Mirage F1, with both the radar (AN/APG66V2) and avionics suite (HOTAS controls, glass cockpit, LN-100G nav system, AN/AYK-14 computers, AN/ALR193 RWR, ALQ126B jammer, etc) installed, with israeli weaponry (Python 5, Derby, GBU's, etc) integrated be an acceptable option?
Yes, I AM suggesting integrating US electronics into a french fighter. The F1 version would be the CR (Reconaissance).
>>30448381
Oh, I forgot, we should assume that both the electronics suite and the radar are already in stock (not buying those).
>>30448401
Correct me if I am mistaken, but the last time I checked Rafale didn't require any of those. So why would that be an acceptable option, if the French can make a good fighter on their own?
>>30446283
P-51s were shit at CAS as soon as they were thrust into the role back in WW2, you could knock one out of commission with a single,.45 fired into the radiator whIle on the ground.
>>30449146
Does that really make a shit CAS? AH-64 can be downed with AK.
>>30449372
He's an idiot. Pay no mind.
>>30449372
>>30449380
Literally read a fucking history book.
>>30449439
What history book says P-51 is a shit CAS?
>>30449439
Wow. Ok. Let's see. The P-51 excelled at CAS and strike missions. It was only slightly less robust than the P-47 due to the water cooled engine and radiator vulnerability, but it was longer ranged/had better loiter time, more nimble in avoiding pop up threats and had better cockpit visibility.
That's a summation of what you would read in any detailed historical accounting of the P-51 post Operation Jackpot.
>>30449554
>The P-51 excelled at CAS and strike missions
It literally didn't, but please, feel free to educate yourself on the plethora of memoirs and autobiographies written by the pilots themselves.
>>30447319
How big is the goddamn ladder needed to get into this thing?
>>30449742
Olds came from P-38s, arguably the best ground attack fighter of the war. Of course he was underwhelmed. Although he never specifically says the P-51 sucked at CAS or strike. What he did say is that those missions were dangerous:
>I was hit by flak as I was pulling out of a dive-strafing pass on an airfield called Tarnewitz, up on the Baltic. Five P-51s made a pass on the airdrome that April day. I was the only one to return home...When I tested the stall characteristics of my wounded bird over our home airfield, I found it quit flying at a little over 175 mph (282 km/h) indicated and rolled violently into the dead wing. What to do? Bailout seemed the logical response, but here's where sentiment got in the way of reason. That airplane had taken me through a lot and I was damned if I was going to give up on her...why the bird and I survived the careening, bouncing and juttering ride down the length of the field, I guess I'll never know.
That was a bird with the right flap blown off and two large holes blown in the right wing. It sure sounds like he loved that plane, and it took a lot of damage and got him home.
Yeager's comments on CAS/strike missions were mostly limited to his disgust over being ordered to strafe what might be civilians:
>If we are going to do things like this, we sure as hell better make sure we are on the winning side.
>I’m certainly not proud of that particular strafing mission against civilians. But it is there, on the record and in my memory.
As for Anderson, he was never hit in his P-51D and he professes almost fetishistic love for his "Old Crow".
Did you actually read any of those books or did you just pull them off your daddy's bookshelf and take a picture of them?
>>30449766
Quite big, I presume. Too drunk to look for a better picture.
>>30449992
Speaking of ladders.
>>30447189
Not only euros, you know. The better F-16.
>>30449991
Did you actually read any of those books, or are intentionally glossing over the "golden bb" tag line that was associated with what little damage was needed from ground fire to down the Mustang, or are you such a summer fag, that you will literally argue with history and pilot statements because that's how you think Internet arguments work?
Just because every aircraft that could carry ground ordinance in WW2, did, it doesn't mean they were all suited to the role. Just look at the Hurricane, immediately after the Bob, it was relegated to being the RAF'so main single engine attack plane, along with the Typhoon. But that doesn't mean it was good at it... pull your head out of your assistance anon, and acknowledge the short comings of glass nosed liquid cooled inline engines being used in the ground attack role. You won't be the first to acknowledge the faults. Just one of the last.
>>30442587
I did electrical work for this program
>>30450105
>no quotes from the books supposedly right there, including this supposed "golden BB" tag
>personal insults
>repetition without elaboration, sources or further data
Sure is assmad in here.
>
>>30449991
>strafing fagerman civilians
>being a bad thing
choose 1
>>30450105
A BLOO BLOOO
>>30446247
Note the maximum speed of the Mirage 2000 C and -5/-9/-5mk2 is around mach 2.3.
>>30448381
>>30448401
Considering the Morrocan mirages F1 went through an upgrade like this, including MICA IR/EM and AASM/HAMMER missiles, yes, it would be relevant as a light strike fighter or interceptor (mach 2.2 capable, and integrating the METEOR on the F1 would be totally possible).
However, I don't know it there's enough room in the rather small nose far an APG-66. There is for an RDY3 at least. Pic related.
The airframe is rock solid though. And there even was a south african F1 motorised with a RD33 Klimov.
>>30450213
>>30450326
Mirage had Soviet engines?
>>30442579
L-lewd... 0///0
>>30442579
Remember that thread about unsymmetrical rocket launchers on Admiral Grigorovich? Now why the fuck if this is unsymmetrical?
>>30450570
Uh, how is anything in that image except for a small extra bay module box asymmetrical (that's the word you're looking for, by the way).
>>30450396
One prototype of F1-AZ specifically, locally modified and renamed into "super mirage". more info here :
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7021
pic related
>>30442119
>If its French, it's shit.
>>30444099
Mirage shooting down a trainer F-16.
Sure showed the Americans
>>30444197
I think it also has something to do with the 2000 being more expensive than the F-16 because France
>>30446283
Tuscano is a COIN.
It isn't good for CAS at all, it's already been shot down by drug overlords with an M2.
>>30445655
i keked
>>30451107
A trainer F-16 with an israeli officer in the backseat, crossing voluntarily the greek border and getting into dogfight with greek fighters.
Hmmm, really makes you think.
Fuck turkroaches, that's all I have to say.
>>30442119
It's certainly damn sexy.
>>30444851
>tfw you go to that island every year
Its essentially an greek airforce island and you hear the jets go over every day. Feels good
>>30442119
Counting the Kfir version, t's the best OPFOR fighter of the 80's.
>>30446429
The Rafale is replacing the Mirage 2000 in French service. If the F35 was operational, the F-16 and F-18 would get retired, too.
>>30451531
The Kfir was made after the Mirage III, not the Mirage 2000, anon.
I'll also add though it was supposedly more powerful with its GE 79 engine, the added weight and inadequacy between the airframe and the engine, gave the Kfir both an inferior max speed and acceleration compared to the original Mirage III with its less powerful ATAR 9K engine.
"Oy vey" I guess.
>>30451050
Nice, thanks.
>>30450212
>tries to refute actual pilot memoirs
>wants history spoon fed to him
>favorite subject in school is 'recess'
>>30451664
Not for F-16 tho. The vipers (F-16C/D) will most likely transferred to ANG, since the ANG is using F-16 OCU to its last legs
Also, last I checked, the corps went as far as scavenging mothballed F/A-18C because there's just not enough airframes to go around
![Dassault%20%20Mirage%204000%20Jet%20Fighter%20Aircraft[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FBko1TF.jpg "Dassault%20%20Mirage%204000%20Jet%20Fighter%20Aircraft[1].jpg")
>>30446184
Planefu forever ;_;
Dassault issues with big planes are hilarious, in a way.
>Hey guys, we made this nice Mirage IV B strategic bomber according to your demands, and there's also the smaller IV A for export and as a proof of concept.
>Well, in that case, we'll trash the IV B program and buy IV As instead.
>Hey guys, we made a new, better Mirage III to fulfill the airforce requirements, we call it the III F2.
>Too big.
>Okay, then we have the F3, it's smaller and...
>TOO BIG!
>...Here's a F1.
>Hey guys, we made this nice mirage 4000 for the ACF program, there's also the smaller 2000...
>Say no more.
A few years later
>Here's the Rafale. There will be no alternatives.
>>30453127
>Here's the Rafale. There will be no alternatives.
There could have been. The yugoslavian novi avion which was just a single engine Rafale really.
But to be fair, a Super Rafale 20% bigger would be quite a beast.
You could also have quoted the different black programs Dassault worked on during the 60's. pic related.
What gives me a boner though, is the fact Eric Trappier (current Dassault CEO) asked a rethoric question a few months ago "should future fighter jets go into space ?"
Then you realise Dassault has experience with the projects Hermes, Vehra, and S3, on small low orbital space shuttles.
...
WE MACROSS NOW.
>>30444099
Why are Greece and Turkey NATO members again? Why are two NATO aircraft engaging each other?
>>30453349
>Why is Turkey a NATO member again ? Why are turks constantly crossing the border and engaging greek fighterjets in mock up battles ?
FTFY
>>30442173
Is that benis an ADEN gunpod?
>>30446283
I think you've also misunderstood the meaning of obsolescence. They are obsolete in the role for which they were designed; the fact that many find a second life in a different role doesn't change that. Also, considering how different the requirements for A2A and ground attack are, it's probably safe to say that they are obsolete entirely once their replacements take the role.
>>30442119
The number one rule with military aircraft is this:
If it's not American or Russian, then it's shit.
>>30453326
>What gives me a boner though, is the fact Eric Trappier (current Dassault CEO) asked a rethoric question a few months ago "should future fighter jets go into space ?"
Well, the SR-71 did make it to over 85,000ft. Since space starts at 100,000ft, I'd say we already made it pretty damn close.
>Then you realise Dassault has experience with the projects Hermes, Vehra, and S3, on small low orbital space shuttles.
If you think that makes them better positioned than NASA or the Russians to develop some sort of extra-atmospheric tactical fighter, you need to lay off that devil's dandruff. The real reason no one makes these is they'd be ridiculously expensive for little to no tactical benefit.
>>30446514
It is the least produced western 4.5th gen plane in the world.
Typhoon - 598 airframes ordered
Super Hornet - 389 airframes ordered
Gripen - 275 airframes ordered
Rafale - 228 airframes ordered (Even if India finally signs, it'll only be 262, still below Gripen)
Even the F-16 and F-15 variants that could be described as approaching 4.5th have exceeded it. The Russian "4.5ths" (heavy quotation marks there) have exceeded it in sales. Even the J-10 has more airframes.
It is slow selling. That is a cold hard fact.
>>30453766
>If you think that makes them better positioned than NASA or the Russians to develop some sort of extra-atmospheric tactical fighter, you need to lay off that devil's dandruff. The real reason no one makes these is they'd be ridiculously expensive for little to no tactical benefit.
Hence the Macross joke anon.
Also, NASA and Russia aren't aircraft manufacturers. LM, Northrop Grumman or Mig and Sukhoi are. I have no doubt they could compete on that matter either.
>>30450041
Thats a nice J 35 Draken you have there
>>30450012
I flew from that airport today.
Its rare to see Russian aircratf here in Sweden
>>30453766
>Well, the SR-71 did make it to over 85,000ft. Since space starts at 100,000ft, I'd say we already made it pretty damn close.
First, space starts at 100km, not 30km. Second, MiG-25 holds absolute altitude record with 37650 metres, way past 30km mark.
>>30453766
>>30454802
>tfw I pulled a Mars Climate Orbiter
goddamnit
>>30454872
>Mars Climate Orbiter
I can't help but kek every time. Such mistakes need to be done at least once in history.
>>30442119
The Tornado F2 is fully the equal of the F-15C, and the GR4 of the F-15E.
>>30454934
>I can't help but kek every time. Such mistakes need to be done at least once in history.
Man, everyone does it. It happens all the time. But it's one of those little things you expect either the guy working next to you with eyes on to catch an whack the back of your head for or see it come out in the wash because the calculation results are fucky. You NEVER expect to see something like that where at least a dozen people had probably looked through parts of those calculations. It's like there was some sort of collective unconscious recurring brain fart. Embarrassing as fuck, but at least it didn't happen with a manned mission, and you can bet your ass they double check the conversions from here on out.
Me, however. What the fuck. No goddamn excuse. The conversion was literally the point of the fucking data.
>>30454944
(you)
>>30444197
>So one A2A combat victory now constitutes total platform dominance?
There was also that one war between India and Pakistan during which India only had to bring two Mirage squadrons to bear to cause pakis to completely poop their pants and keep all their F-16's as far a way from the conflict area as possible
>>30455821
>There was also that one war between India and Pakistan during which India only had to bring two Mirage squadrons to bear to cause pakis to completely poop their pants and keep all their F-16's as far a way from the conflict area as possible
Right. Because that was purely in the vacuum of which aircraft were better. No tactical, strategic, political or pilot training considerations at all.
Fucking dumbest post yet today on 4chan. Congrats.
>>30455843
Of course it wasn't in a complete vacuum, if pakis had a fighter that could prevent Indian Air Force from pounding their troops to minced meat they would have used it. But back then, F-16's just weren't up to the task.
>>30455948
>But back then, F-16's just weren't up to the task.
Or it could have a lot more to do with the HUGE size disparity between the Paki and Indian air forces.
Or it could have to do with not wanting to risk their best fighters and leave their entire C4SIR network and political leaders vulnerable to air strikes.
Or it could have to do with not wanting to escalate and widen a conflict that could go absolutely batshit sideways.
Or it could have to do with a strategic/tactical analysis of risks and rewards against a numerically superior foe which had achieved a superior strategic position.
Or...
Or...
You're really not very good at this. You should probably read more books and post less on 4chan.
>>30455987
Or you're just a faggot who loves the F-16 a bit too much.
>>30455987
>it could have to do with not wanting to escalate and widen a conflict that could go absolutely batshit sideways.
Invading neighbouring country with 5k troops is not risking a batshit crazy escalation?
>it could have a lot more to do with the HUGE size disparity between the Paki and Indian air forces
Back then, sans those few Mirages, bulk of Indian air force consisted of old Soviet Mig's, completely irrelevant and completely outclassed by the F-16's. So please, stop embarrassing yourself by trying to imply that Mig-21/27 > F-16.
>>30456192
>Invading neighbouring country with 5k troops is not risking a batshit crazy escalation?
There's that gap between incredibly optimistic projection (buying into your own propaganda) and that "oh shit" moment when you realize you dun fucked up. That's a perennial problem set in that part of the world (see: Pakistan, Iran, India, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, etc.)
>Back then, sans those few Mirages, bulk of Indian air force consisted of old Soviet Mig's, completely irrelevant and completely outclassed by the F-16's. So please, stop embarrassing yourself by trying to imply that Mig-21/27 > F-16.
Pakistan's last F-16 buy, support or munitions was in 1990 because of the nuclear sanctions. In fact their last major fighter buy was before 1990. It was heavily weakened by both the sanctions and the diversion of resources to the Nuclear program in 1999.
The IAF, by contrast, had grown. They had brand new MiG-29s (which were escorting those Mirage 2000's continuously, by the way) in numbers that rivaled the entire Paki stable of modern aircraft. So, even if your argument had merit, it'd be the MiG-29's escorting the Mirage 2000's equipped for ground strike that those F-16s were "running from". Dumbass.
In short, read a book. Stop posting.
>>30456336
>MiG-29 better than F-16
Fuck off Vatnik
>>30456373
Way to completely miss the point. Instead of realizing that the IAF had nearly twice as many MiG-29s of more recent manufacture than the Paki F-16s, and that THEY, not the Mirage 2000s were armed and tasked with CAP and air superiority, you couldn't be fucked to read the thread, understand context and realize that I was actually defending the F-16 while poking holes in the ridiculous notion of using the Kargil conflict to claim that the Mirage 2000 was superior to the F-16.
Great job, /k/. This thread is full of fucking outstanding scholastic talents.
>>30442119
Mirage 2000 shits on the F-16 before block 30
>>30456373
>Implying it isn't
Fuck off, fatnik.
Indian Mig-29/Mirage 2000 combo > Pakis F-16
>>30456458
I should think so, when they had almost three times as many of them.
>>30456475
Is that concerning some specific engagement, or are you simply spewing out wiki numbers.
>>30456572
Anon. Jesus. Read something. Google is right there. You cited the conflict. You didn't know anything about the conflict. It's time to read up and learn something rather than insisting on showing your ass in a meaningless argument on 4chan.
>>30456605
I'm not the anon you were talking to. So is that concerning some specific engagement?
>>30456629
Theatre force levels later in the conflict after the IAF had spooled up. This is why the Pakis were forced to keep their F-16s in strategic reserve protecting their strategically crucial targets, rather than potentially wasting their most modern air superiority assets with no access through the US for new ones.
>>30442119
I'd buy one at a yardsale for $100.
>>30456373
Mig 29 HMD+HOBS R-73
vs F-16 pre 2003 with no JHCS+AIM-9X
get shrekt
yes
>>30456924
>F-16 pre 2003
Pre 1990
>>30453361
Greece wouldn't do shit against Russia.
Having the turk as buffer would do a world to Nato as a whole. That's why the US rated them as their closest allies after the UK, Japan and Israel, and would explain the butthurt the whole Nato had when thry tried to get Chink-made long range SAM
>>30457312
So is NATO butthurt about the Greeks operating Zubrs?
For conflicts like india vs pakistan, air power is totally a waste of money & effort.
>>30457359
I don't think they would, but Zubr has smaller strategical footprint than having a chink-made S-300 copy. Not only that it wouldn't fit in entire NATO air defence blanket, there's also the problem with chinese sigint, and they're good at it.
That's why when Turkey announced plan to buy chinese-made SAM, Nato insisted that they operate them as standalone unit and not integrated into Nato chain of command
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