So B&T are coming out with a new pistol (also available without folding stock)
>>30438130
Im ready to cap some motherfucking moon people.
I didnt sign up to fight xeno's on the moon but earth called and I answered that phone
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Reminds me of those Russian SMG things
Thing is ugly as all fuck, but I suppose it's functional.
Another pic
>>30438130
The real question is how easy is it to make full auto. Hypothetically, of course.
>>30438177
We wuz plasma handguns n shiet
Doesn't look utterly awful, They should send me one so I can give it an in-depth review.
>>30438130
why?
>>30438130
The real news is the RDS. Supposedly it's a new Aimpoint model.
>SBR?
Bleah. I'd rather have a light carbine.
>>30438130
Looks like it's a CZ variant with a funky cool slide, from the pics that we can see here.
http://strategie-technik.blogspot.com/2016/06/universal-service-weapon-von-b.html
>>30438883
Talking about the ability to take head shots at 25 because explosive vests
>>30438906
oopps 25M
>i cant stop thinking that is a star wars gun
>Inforce
Top kek
>>30438164
Stechkin and Pernach?
>>30438130
>>30438883
What the actual fuck? This looks like a ghetto machine pistol conversion. I would expect any modern SMG thing to be fully enclosed, not have an exposed slide
>>30439321
So get the MP9/TMP/SPP instead.
If they plan on selling it without the stock, primarily as a pistol then this setup makes more sense. Common manual of arms is nice
>>30438883
So it IS a CZ 75 AUTO with a folding stock.
>>30439272
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PP-2000
>>30438130
We space gun now?
>>30439915
I wonder how comfy those are. The stock is short as hell but the grip angle seems to match it. Kinda angled back like a megaphone so that it can be held closer.
>Lets take a CZ75, attach a folding stock and a red dot and pretend we invent something new
B&T
>>30440138
the cocking serrations and wings on the front of the slide are neat. The frame and slide totally look like a CZ-75. Makes sense, go with internal rails so you're less likely to touch moving slide. But the barrel looks different. Looks like it locks on the barrel hood rather than locking lugs.
>>30440138
>>30440149
Looks nice, i might get one. Gotta support the local industry
>>30440138
>assault weapons
>>30440138
> closing the gap between SMG & pistol
what?
>>30440149
>First round headshots
>Not aiming for center mass when shooting a pistol
>Putting a red dot on a pistol
>Putting a fold able stock on a pistol
>Putting a fold able stock and red dot on a CZ 75 and calling it a new weapon
Good god Europe is becoming stupider and stupider by the second.
Implying that assault pistols didn't die out in the 1990's. What does this gun offers that a standard Glock carbine conversion doesn't?
And why the heck would you use a pistol carbine if you can have an MP7 that has the same size, and offers much longer range, higher mag capacity, and greater firepower?
>>30440502
>implying MP7 has greater firepower.
>implying same size (it is close but still)
>implying this isn't specifically designed for close range.
>>30440488
It's actually as thin as a pistol (plus the thickness of the stock)
>>30440488
It costs 10 times as much and that's about it
>>30438130
>All the idiots in this thread acting like their preferred alternative isn't thicker and longer than this.
The only thing that's close is something like an ingram, and those are much more boxy.
>>30440502
It looks smaller, thinner, more ergonomic, easier to unholster and bring into action, easier to shoot with stock folded, heavier, and 9mm is probably going to kill a dude better at close quarters than a piddly pdw round.
>>30440445
I thought they said the thing about headshots because you wouldn't want to shoot an explosive vest
I think pistols with stocks are neat, really wish they'd make a come back
stupid laws
Implying the problem is the weapon and not the shooter. Standard European cops fire like 50 to 100 mandatory rounds per year - unless they shoot in their spare time at their own expenses or are the local equivalent to SWAT. New guns, will not replace deficient training.
Also, the average cop doesn't need a fully-automatic weapon as he doesn't have the training such a gun would require (remember 50 to 100 rounds per year). Therefore, the gun would have to be semi-auto, and a semi-automatic pistol carbine is still vastly inferior in term of firepower and range to an assault rifle.
Finally, let's take into account how terrorists work. They very rarely engage in firefights with the police. They did it in Paris, but in the vast majority of cases they just detonate bombs in crowded areas.
>>30440223
>cocking serrations
Looking like the ones of a sphinx
Heard the guy who made sphinx great 20 years ago but get buyed out by the kriss jackasses now worked on this gun
The wings are neet.
>>30440419
Closing the gap with a not shity gun
>>30440242
Jeah b&t makes some good stuff. I am sad we dont have more of this companies anymore
>>30440445
Not aiming center mass
Yeah... in Parise they shot one of the terrorist in the chest, he exploded and killed some civilists... APEX is fucked up shit... goeing for the headshot can be a option
>>30440677
>New guns, will not replace deficient training.
It is easier to get hits with a gun you can shoulder.
>a semi-automatic pistol carbine is still vastly inferior in term of firepower and range to an assault rifle.
This is meant to substitute handguns, not rifles. An AR-15 being better than the B&T USW in a firefight is irrelevant.
>Finally, let's take into account how terrorists work. They very rarely engage in firefights with the police.
By this logic we should disband every counter terror group, since they rarely stop acts of terror.
>>30440703
>sphinx
THAT'S IT, you're fuckin genius. That's where the barrel hood is from. I knew I've seen it but I couldn't place it. Now it's got everything - frame shape, slide, and barrel. This B&T gun is all around very similar to the Sphinx
>>30440783
>you're fuckin genius
Tell me something i dont already know
But i would rather compare it to the 3000 series instead to the SDP.
If they manage to achieve the quality standarts of the old, pre Kriss Sphinx it should be a great gun
>>30440832
Forgot the pic
>>30440703
> Closing the gap with a not shity gun
you sure know that Glock stocks exist?
>>30440714
>It is easier to get hits with a gun you can shoulder.
Then get a rifle or a SMG.
>This is meant to substitute handguns, not rifles.
It cannot substitute to handguns as it's too large for CC. Therefore it has to be open carried. As such, cops would be much better off armed with a pistol and SMG/rifle combination. Also, don't forget that being Swiss made, this gun will cost between 2000 to 3000 euros (without optics). For the same price you have different options, like for example a Glock pistol plus an Mossberg 590 or a Scorpion Evo.
>By this logic we should disband every counter terror group, since they rarely stop acts of terror.
Counter terrorism doesn't work by stopping the terrorists when they do their thing, but either before they do it or after they've done it. Also, dedicated "counter terrorism" units don't really exist. They are either police SWAT/hostage rescue teams, or military spec ops units.
>>30440866
>It cannot substitute to handguns as it's too large for CC. Therefore it has to be open carried.
You mean what 99% of all cops do? Most beat cops could carry around this thing without it being much more of a hassle than a regular service pistol, can't say the same about carrying a service pistol plus a slung long gun. Again, this is meant to be carried in lieu of a pistol. Nothing really stops them from carrying this plus a rifle.
>Also, dedicated "counter terrorism" units don't really exist
Top pedantry m8. Loads of police units have counter terrorism as their main purpose and cause of formation. Them being used for other purposes as well is just police departments not being retarded with the resources at hand.
>>30440832
B&T can do this. I own an APC9, i know their quality standarts
>>30440931
b&t have some decent quality but they are miles behinde what Sphinx used to be.
I shoot everything they have to offer, but i dont like the apc series. It just doesnt fit me well.
The reason i am concerned about the quality is the fact thet miltiple police forces in switzerland have rejected the acp 223 as a patrol rifle
>>30438130
>Head shots on an armored suspect at distances nearing 100 yards would be very possible, stopping the threat quickly.
>Head shots
Also
>red dot on pistol without BUIS
>>30440999
There isn't a big need for fancy new carbines as long as they have a decent amount of SIGs that pretty much every cop is familiar with.
So B&T managed to make a CZ Strike One.
I'd rather the TMP/TP9 become more common.
>>30440832
>i would rather compare it to the 3000 series instead to the SDP
Yup, I see that the 3000's extractor matches the B&T, and the SDP has a much shorter extractor
>>30441114
They dont have the SIGs... the Kapo AG buyed the fucking SIG 516 (because if muah cheep) and the ACP was kicked out of the race first
Same with the GWK. They kicked it out nearly first and wanted something from SIG.
>>30438130
This looks like the GTAIV Glock after snorting some high octane space dust
