What's the cheapest AR-15 on the market that you'd feel comfortable trusting your life to come long term shtf?
Colt 6920
>>30432057
SW mp15.
>accurate
>durable
>good manufacturer
>simple
Just dont try and abuse the fuck out of it and you'll be fine. thats true with anyguns, besides bushmaster.
Rock river entry tactical
>>30432084
>thats true with anyguns, besides bushmaster.
So you'd be okay with a DMPS?
Noveske. Anything else is asking to die.
You can get a PSA lower for 200, and a complete upper from Aero for ~400. That would be the best budget build, in my opinion.
>>30432356
Aren't PSAs just garbage though?
>>30432460
>PSA lower
>lower
>implying a lower matters at all
>implying even the most dogshit anderson lower wont perform like the most gucci lower you can buy
>implying PSA is garbage
they arent anything special but they're fine
to answer your question fuck buying a poorfag prebuilt, build your own
>>30432460
with the way ars are built the lower ia under very little stress.
>>30432356
Why wouldn't you just buy the upper and lower from PSA at that rate. FN barrel superior to whatever aero can shit out.
Mine
>>30432084
This.
>>30432552
not necessarily true at all, especially considering newer research showing chrome lined isnt all its cracked up to be
>>30432073
Dat gum dude, you didn't waste a thousand percent correct.
The 6920 is the magic mile.
>>30432460
no? It's just a lower dude. Milspec lower with a parts kit/buffer/stock thrown on.
I'm pretty sure their uppers are OK too, pretty standard with other budget AR's.
>>30432610
>overpriced and underwhelming
ftfy
>>30432595
It's not even a matter of corrosion resistance, just quality of barrel manufacture. If he wasn't a jew, he'd spring for the stainless match variety.
What's the problem with bushmaster? I've never owned one.
My father swears by it, he used to say, "if it was good enough for the DC sniper it's good enough for me."
>>30432646
CHF barrels are nice but its not like they really need to be built that well, they werent for years, the military doesnt use CHF barrels and they run the shit out of their guns. FN barrels arent extraordinarily accurate either. mind you I own an FN barrel on one of my AR's. Maybe when all these barrels that arent "quality manufactured" start blowing up Ill hop on the CHF train but OP can do a lot better in terms of accuracy for the money than buying an FN.
>>30432648
Bushmaster is now owned by the company that owns remington and built in remington factories. that should tell you enough about why not to buy a recent manufacture BM
>>30432057
Eagle arms m15
>>30432460
No, they're just babby's first "custom" AR. They're entry level for new garage armorers.
>>30432057
M&P-15 Sport
>>30432610
The 6920 would be a good purchase if they cut a few hundred off the pricetag.
>>30432778
this tbqh family
>>30432778
It is an okay rifle, but it's still carbine gas on a 16" barrel with absolutely no features to write home about.
>>30432084
>>30432564
this x2
>current year
>buying a prebuilt carbine gas AR
lmaoing at your life
>>30432595
Lol, when they were researching the problems with the M-16 on site in nam, there were guys with barrels so rusted you couldn't even see light thru the bores, they still worked.
Windham's are excellent and can be found at a good price
>>30432926
alls im saying is chrome lined and CHF arent necessarily the end all be all for barrels
>>30432057
My Daniel Defense
>>30432936
Just don't get the ones with polymer lowers
>>30432849
>>30432784
Yeah, that's the thing, it's a good enough rifle, but Colt just has this thing about their trademark and insists their products are worth more than they actually are.
If Colt sold the 6920 at the $700 mark, they'd make an absolute killing.
>carbine gas on a 16" barrel
People make noise about this, but it's not like you can't just change the buffer.
>>30432915
See my previous point.
Also it's cheap, that's the point.
>>30432969
CAV-15 is the only good polymer lower desu
>>30432595
Wow that's some good data. Wish I'd seen that earlier. Got any more like that?
>>30432460
their premium line uppers have FN barrels
lowers are mil spec like any other lowers
>>30433278
>its cheap
you can get a complete lower and free float upper from places like PSA that will be same if not better quality than Colt, M&P, whatever for the same or less
cheap, sure. good, not as good as it could be for the price
>>30433486
perhaps, what exactly are you looking for
>>30433563
Anything involving durability, reliability, and accuracy. Anything for muzzle devices involving sound levels and light levels. Anything else you think is interesting or that someone building a SHTF rifle as a gift for their father would find useful.
>>30432073
fpbp
>>30433974
bump for this
>>30432784
>>30432778
>im going to repeat shit i read in /arg/ ad nauseum
>>30432952
This
>>30434836
except I've actually owned a 6920. hugely underwhelming for the price, a quality build is much nicer.
>anything I disagree with is memes
>>30432084
Bushmaster is fine
>>30437764
I bought a qrc from cabelas because it was cheap. Works pretty damn good for me.
>>30433278
>CAV-15 is the only good polymer lower desu
*was
RIP CavArms
>>30432335
>>30438873
Get with the times, the lower is still being made, GWACS bought the rights and equipment for it after the ATF fucked Cavalry Arms in that dirty way, because GWACS saw the value of the design and didn't want it disappearing off the market.
>Looking to buy cheap AR rifles on the market
>Not building one
Come on bro
I answered OP's question like 3 times last night. He keeps asking this shit over and over. His post is verbatim copy of his question last night.
kys OP
>>30439350
OP confirmed autistic
>Asking same retarded questions
>Not building an AR
>Wanting a complete rifle
kys pls
>>30434836
>implying a Colt is worth what they ask for
Are you gonna post dated charts too?
>>30437801
Same, also got a DPMS Oracle as a birthday gift. DPMS hasn't had a failure yet (only >500 rds though), but there were a few double feeds with the bushmaster. I wouldn't take either to battle, but plinking in the woods/ teaching someone the AR at a range, can't beat them pricewise.
Also, anyone got a good link to an A3/4 upper parts kit or an A1? I'd like to get either before November panic buy.
>>30439350
OP here, I didn't ask this last night, today was the first time I've been on /k/ all week.
>>30439336
Not him, but not all of us want to buy all the extra shit needed to put together an AR when we only plan to buy the one. Especially when a prebuilt one is often cheaper than parting it out.
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>>30432057
Ruger AR 556.
>>30440591
>extra shit needed to put together an AR when we only plan to buy the one
you dont own a vice and punches? an armorers wrench is like $30
>prebuilt one is often cheaper than parting it out
its almost never cheaper to buy prebuilt. in fact, you go find me a prebuilt thats cheaper than buying the equivalent rifle in parts
you realize that doesnt even make sense right?
>i can buy the same parts already built buy someone and not only will they not charge for building labor, they'll also sell it under the value of the parts
nigger, what?
>>30441160
Not him, but I've tried to price out parts for a build that just equals a Colt 6920 and no matter where I look the total comes out to $50 below what I can find a new 6920 for, not counting any tools I might need to buy. Just doesn't seem worth it. Sure, I could build a shit-tier rifle for less, but there are already shit-tier rifles for less so what's the point?
>>30441160
>>i can buy the same parts already built buy someone and not only will they not charge for building labor, they'll also sell it under the value of the parts
He's right about this though. Storing, packaging, listing for sale, and shipping those parts individually isn't free you mong.
>>30440753
>barrel not nitride, melonite, or chrome layered
welp
>>30432230
I would, even though my go to rifles are BCM and PRI.
DPMS offers a range of rifles, some very good. Their entry level sporter stuff (to which I assume you are referring to) suffers from cheaper grade materials and parts, but are surprisingly resilient and utilitarian. My concerns with thise rifles have more to do with barrel quality and life after 15k rds due to material quality one the base components.
For a survivalist rifle i would obviously look to spend more and have, but unless shtf includes throwing tens of thousands down range i have no doubts about the oracle or sportical's ability to function as intended.
Furthermore, simply dropping a very good bolt and carrier group in one of those uppers is a simple and very effective way to up the reliability and durability of those carbines.
>>30441551
You can build a free float AR from the same parts colt uses (quality of aluminum, MPI bolt) or better (CHF barrel) for $800
>>30441553
see above
Colt shills, prebuilt damage control is out in force
>>30440753
Shits weak, almost bought one but did more research and fuck that.
Plastic delta ring is retarded, the included pistol grip is retarded, the trigger is dog shit.
MP15 Sport v2 is best budget pre-built. I like my budget PSA better though. Put it together for ~$500, didn't even have to get the Freedom stuff. No issues yet, a little over 1000rd through it.
>>30432561
How much does that weight in at?
The keyholes just looks like it's a lot heavier than rails but I never handled one so it could be a lot thinner material.
>>30441694
>or better (CHF barrel)
>falling for the CHF barrel meme
>2016
Anyone know if Bear Creek are any good?
>>30442108
CHF is defnitely stronger than anything else out there. necessary, no. but its still the best
>>30442950
It's just a cheaper way for the company to forge the barrels. (They charge more for AR barrels using them because most companies have billet equipment and the CHF ones want you to pay for their new machinery with a premium.)
>>30444758
i know this but were talking about value for price and getting a CHF barreled free float AR for the same price as a dogshit colt is definitely a better value for price
>$250 CHF barrels
>""paying a premium""
>>30437774
There is literally nothing wrong with bushmaster. The idea that they're unreliable is a meme. Everyone knows they're owned by cerebus, no one cares.
>>30444758
>It's just a cheaper way for the company to forge the barrels.
Cold Hammer Forging requires extremely expensive equipment to properly compress the barrel blanks onto the mandrels. Button cutting is a lot easier in small-batch production. You get a more durable and accurate product from the former, but you need to have the production volume to justify it in the first place.
Stag or bcm... Or really any gun with a good amount of the later
>>30444825
>owning remshit
enjoy.
>>30439306
what is that handguard
>>30432057
That's a trick question isn't it?
I wouldn't trust my life to an AR of any price.
>>30432057
DD mk5
GAP10
Lmt
>>30445020
>>30445046
Nice meme. Decades of experience overrule one unscientific video.
>>30432073
this although I'd rather have the FN M4geryA1
>>30445054
have modern military forces complained about their reliability?
>>30445020
among communities who actually use their weapons, nobody particularly cares for the platform. this isn't because it's inherently unreliable, but because 5.56 has goofy ballistics at certain ranges and it requires a lot of maintenance. the only time i have ever had a stoppage on an AR platform is when i was lazy about maintenance.
>>30445077
Yes.
>>30445020
Oh boy here we go again.
>>30445054
Well, you seem to be putting a lot of stock in the "AR is unreliable" meme.
>>30445054
>must be a butthurt AK fag
>n-nice meme...
fucking called it
there are dozens of videos of your outdated slav shit fucking up in adverse conditions
>no dust cover
>garbage accuracy
>ergos similar to a shovel
>built for manlets
>sight radius of a finger nail length
stay mad bottom feeder. maybe after the next world war you can steal some more tech from the germans and get a new rifle
>>30445137
the AR isn't unreliable, people are unreliable
>>30432883
x3
You don't need to have the most reliable rifle to get a much better rifle.
You shouldn't be planning on getting into sustained gunfights in a long term SHTF or any situation.
>>30438873
They're still around as far as I know (?)
>>30441711
You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I'm going to venture you haven't even seen one in person or you are a fucking mall ninja.
>>30445158
My AK is made by SAKO, so none of your complaints apply to my raifu.
>>30440753
>plastic delta ring
>retarded-for-no-good-reason tryhard snowflake wannabe A2 FSP
>pants on head stupid ugly muzzle device
>>30445360
poorfag tears are hilarious
>>30445400
you can polish a turd as much as you want
>>30432057
AKM
>>30444900
I do. The xm15 sits right next to my pws. I've never had a problem with either of them that couldn't be attributed to bad handloads. Keep memeing dude.
Honestly, I'm just looking to build my first AR now. I'd like a 20", but I'm not sure which route would be best for a decent gun under 800$. PSA has a nice kit, but I think it's too expensive for what it is. I'd go for a 16", but i like the look of a 20 better and the solid stock.
On the other hand... I could buy an M72 kit and have one built and just say fuck ARs again.
>>30445849
Compared to a BCM, you are saving about 280 bucks, assuming you're fine with A4 style furniture and a basic bitch control group.
