What current city would be the hardest to fight a ground war in?
>>30422897
probably something fucking huge like New York City or Dubai
>>30422897
mumbai?
Russian towns and cities are specifically designed for urban warfare.
Venice, Italy
I'd say Luxembourg City
Pyongyang.
Like the USSR, its designed for urban warfare. Unlike Russia, we know nothing about it.
Its also filled with tons of loyalists, regime supporters, and war criminals that the attacking army would be obligated to hang.
>>30422897
NYC would be a pain because it's an island connected by a handful of bridges plus it's packed with tallass buildings.
>>30422975
/thread
>>30423499
>Each soldier had to pay $29.95 to cross the George Washington Bridge
>>30423667
>entire armies arrested under the SAFE Act
>>30423667
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWg-mozGsU
>>30422897
Maybe Brazilian Favelas. Seems fucking terrifying to fight in.
>>30423709
You have this idea in your head that they wouldn't just be leveled to begin with.
Tokyo. It's too big. Literally impossible.
>>30422897
I'd say Los Angeles. All of the urban sprawl and the fact that fucking NOTHING is cetnralized would make it a nightmare to seize.
Medieval cities.
Small alleyways with high windows.
Strong stone buildings will resist fire support.
Bends everywhere.
Tall buildings and towers surrounded by low buildings provide excellent viewpoints.
inability to move vehicles and supplies into certain areas.
underground catacombs that need to be cleared.
Historical areas that you wont be allowed to call arty on.
Cobbles.
>>30423746
Well, we were on the topic of CQB in towns. Any of these towns listed can just be annihilated.
Ones with brick/steel however are going to a be a close quarters nightmare.
A favela would be fucking awful, all those little nooks and crannies. All the clothes and shit hanging up. Tons of windows and alleys and doors. It would be an insurgency's wet dream.
>>30422943
I think the inevitable fires would quickly turn it into a choking, broken wasteland
>>30422975
Nah Venice is small and contained. It would be tough but you could clear it block by block until it was over. Venice is easily surrounded and managed.
The true meat grinder are the million+ megacities with no clear geographical boundaries.
Kowloon
>>30423820
>you will never defend the castle in the middle of your city
>>30422897
Pittsburgh
>Three rivers to cross
>More bridges than fucking Venice
>Two separate tunnels to get into the city by highway
>Literally in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains
>Half the city is on a mountain
>>30423794
https://youtu.be/7uZ-Aqs42nQ?t=5m5s
Bloody hell how are they gonne survive in tokyo
>>30423989
5 minutes 5 seconds guys
If your only talking about terrain I'd say tokyo. Just the size of it.
>>30423989
Wait.. did I see a chinese mod of battlefield 2 or Project Reality at the three minute mark?
>>30423471
>Pyongyang.
>Like the USSR, its designed for urban warfare. Unlike Russia, we know nothing about it.
>Its also filled with tons of loyalists, regime supporters, and war criminals that the attacking army would be obligated to hang.
Any sources for the city's being designed for urban warfare? I'd love to read about it.
>>30424032
>sudden urge to install sim city 4
>>30423934
This.
>everyone outside of the city has a deer rifle
>routes into the region can easily be cut by blowing bridges on everything from I-79/80/76/90 to small 1.5 lane roads
>only attack route has been over the Appalachians from the east
>majority of attacks ended in failure
>>30424506
>not sim city 2000/3000 master race
>>30424032
jesus christ thats mind boggling
>>30422897
>hat current city would be the hardest to fight a ground war in?
My little city in the midwest USA. Every home has multiple firearms and tons of ammo.
They shut down the NEA ran schools on opening day of deer season. Even those "education faggits" can't do anything about the empty seats in their little socialist education camps.
>>30424533
sc4 is much better, you can build entire regions like Tokyo and it's not all square as fuck
>>30424595
SC4 also has better mods
>>30422897
Any of the mega cities are going to be impossible if you have even the slightest pretenses about preserving civilian life. There simply are not armies large enough to clear and hold something like Shanghai or Lagos
>>30423895
This, I'd imagine Singapore to be quite a problem too.
>>30425066
Singapore was rather easily taken desu.
>>30425189
That was 70+ years ago in a direction the brits didn't think that they would have to defend. Now its pretty well packed
>>30425213
You do realize Singapore doesn't have a source of fresh water, right?
>>30424355
Of course not
>>30423934
plus the outlying nigger towns of mckees rocks and shit, all of which are on hills and have tight roads.
>>30424355
Tried to find something reliable but couldn't.
But their metro is deep underground.
>>30423471
>we know nothing about it
You know we have satellites right?
>>30422897
In a US civil war I'd imagine LA.
Huge city, and weapons could flow over the Mexican border fairly easy
>>30422975
I can imagine it now, running gunboat fights in the bay and in the canals.
>>30423820
Oh god, imagine an artillery shell going off in a cobblestone street. You'd have fist sized rocks flying fucking everywhere at incredible speeds.
Na.
>>30423798
>>30426464
The other thing about LA is that it has a fair amount of mountain wilderness around it. Lots of smuggling routes, lots of places for partisans to play sneaky Pete. (Can't corner the Dorner.).
You could hold downtown, but maintaining overland supply lines would be tough. And you'd need a lot of guys to throw a perimeter around LA proper.
>>30423825
The thing with these shanty-towns, though, is that even mortars, grenades, and other man-portable shit would blow down half a block. Hell, even a flash grenade would probably set off a catastrophic fire, whereas stone structures would remain at least partially intact even after sustained artillery fire. Unless you're under some strict "no collateral damage whatsoever on pain of torture and death" bullshit, the apparently imposing obstacles in a third-world slum will be gone within hours.
>>30422897
Any Eastern block centrally planned city is especially difficult. Slums like the ones in Brazil or India can be leveled quite quickly.
>>30426605
>You could hold downtown, but maintaining overland supply lines would be tough.
Maybe use one of their 50 super highways? Just a thought.
>>30423934 #
>Literally in the middle of the Appalachians
Have you ever actually seen the Appalachians? Pittsburgh is hilly, but the bit of a climb from the rivers to the plateau and the rolling hills between the Ohio and Mon are hardly serious mountains
>>30429143
Until the overpasses get pancaked by sabotage, air, and artillery.
>>30429319
Literally everything is hard to traverse if it gets pancaked by sabotage, air, and artillery. What are you even trying to argue at this point?
>>30423825
Stalingrad 2.0
>>30425189
Singapore is a Maginot Line tier fuckup that no one ever talks about.
>Brits pack Singapore full of costal artillery, tout it as "The Gibraltar of the East"
>Garrison 85000 troops there
>Leave the northwest corner of the island lightly defended because surely no army could effectively mount an assault through the thick mangrove.
>Japs proceed to land in the northwest, blitz the defenders on fucking bicycle, catch an entire garrison with its pants down, and force over 80000 troops into surrendering.
>>30429560
My mental model has partisans hiding out in the burbs or innamountains and hitting the highways with mortars or IEDs.
>>30422951
Well, we hav b1s for a reason i suppose
>>30429618
>Singapore is a Maginot Line tier fuckup that no one ever talks about.
That's because Brits write many of the English language history books and we'd rather everybody forget about it.
>>30424032
Japan has a lot of cities that just sprawl like that. Makes New York City look like a picnic.
>>30424032
>if the weather was better we would have nuked it in 1945
Sheboygan Wisconsin.
>>30430035
Waukesha, Wisconsin.
>>30430027
Tokyo was never considered a target. It was a pile of ash from round-the-clock firebombing since May.
Kokura was the original target for the 9th, but bad weather + smoke from neighboring Yahata which was firebombed earlier that week caused Bockscar's flight to divert to Nagasaki which was the backup target.
>>30423825
The thing with favelas is that they're really fucking shittily built, a mortar could knock down an entire block, and set off catastrophic fires everywhere.
>>30423820
>Medieval cities
>Hard to fight in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHmim7pb5-I
>>30429312
It's enough to slow down armour.
Kowloon. So so many nesting spots
I think a city built on the side of a steep mountain would be pretty hard to fight in. Although generally cities like this are small.
Alternatively, a city with an extensive underground network.
>>30424032
>TFW from Southwest Missouri
Jesus, I imagine if I was there I would have panic attack at the lack of open space.
Just looking at it is making me nervous. I wanna go innawoods now.
>>30422897
Tehran.
>Dat density
>>30423667
>>30423672
Make me kek
Boston. The layout is confusing as shit and makes no sense
>>30430508
What would be the incentive to preserve this city sized kill box? Why not level that bitch with bombardment and save yourself the effort?
>>30431695
Staying Frosty
>>30430580
I know this feel. Western Missourian here stuck in cali.
>>30429618
>Maginot Line tier fuckup
The Maginot Line worked exactly as intended. Or do you think they expected the Germans to be stupid enough to attack it head on?
>>30422897
Probably NYC because its in 4 seperate pieces of land with a billion bridges a shitton of people and probably nearly impossible to surround
>>30423794
gosh if there was only some way of attacking a nip village that breaks permanently the hearts of the slanted eye......
>>30423825
When BOPE goes into the favelas, they will just knock shit down with a sturdy vehicle or blow shit up.
It helps when you don't have to give a shit about the people who live there.
>>30432365
stop bullshitting, maginot forts broke under stuka bombs.
>destroy gun turrets
>fort suddenly is a prison for the troops inside
>>30432207
Along with an ass load of historical/protected property shoulder to shoulder with high rises
>>30432380
They would just bomb/shell the fuck out of it. No reason to put boots on the ground there.
I dunno, a city similar to Ramadi probably.
detroit, especially at night since detroits inhabitants have natural night camo
>>30422897
>>30435796
Jesus Christ, just burn it, whatever the hell we're after inside isn't worth it
>>30422923
Dubai is wide open in large sections and has few tall buildings
NYC is a better option
>>30422923
>>30436675
depends on who you're fighting
Current residents would be easy to mow over. No guns, and they'd just complain a lot about every discomfort they had due to wartime conditions while professing their toughness.
>>30435796
Jesus, what the fuck? What is this? District 9? Get that shit out of here.
>>30423794
>Tokyo
>Instead the City of México
Fuck off Weeaboo.
>>30422975
>Venice
>No ground, only water
This guy has it. Technically correct is best correct.
>>30436833
When the Chinese sold Hong Kong to the British, there was a loophole where the land for one fort remained under Chinese sovereignty.
The Chinese weren't going to go to a foreign country to do police work, so you ended up with one district of the city that didn't have any laws in it.
It turned into a libertarian paradise/black market/massive arcology with no building codes.
>>30423499
came to say this
>all those tall buildings and shit ton of windows
>all those sky scrapers making air support a pain in the ass
>the subway system
>>30423692
kek
love that movie
>>30422923
>dubai
Just knock out the power and wait for all the big buildings to be 150° inside.
>>30437616
oy vey you can't do that. the Geneva convention specifically banned the use of ovens in warfare
>>30424032
>>30423794
oh really
>>30437431
Tokyo covers a lot more area and has 50% higher population though.
fuck conquering China in general
>>30437451
That's pretty cool
But also pretty scary
>>30433088
>>30423909
>you will never die a horrible death after you discover castle counts as concealement not cover
>>30425253
Modern Singapore has desalination that would work fine with water rationing.
>>30422943
Afghanistan
>Welcome to the Rockpile
Iraq
>Welcome to the Sandbox
India
>Welcome to the Shit
>>30422897
American? I'm thinking San Francisco.
Worldwide? Venice. Pretty fuckin hard to fight a "ground" war in water.
>>30424032
Holy shit dude, I can't even begin imagine how fuckhuge that is
>>30441230
Now imagine driving a taxi there
>>30424032
for those of you that still don't get how big tokyo is, look on google maps or google Earth, it is fucking massive
>>30441183
>Pretty fuckin hard to fight a "ground" war in water.
>>30441326
Head like a fuckin' orange
1) tokyo
2) new york
3) sao paolo
Three largest cities in the would by area and population.
>>30441346
Sorry but Manhattan would be pretty easy.
Just go block by block and bring down entire office buildings, 9/11 showed us it's not that hard to do.
>>30441346
>Tokyo
>London
>Paris
>new york
>Bejing
>shanghai
>Moscow
Any large city that also has a well developed underground, bonus points for cities like Paris with catacombs and other historic tunnels or places like London where they're not sure if they have any space left underground because of forgotten tunnels and stuff.
Tall skyscrapers would also be nightmares but easier to deal with, once you have the bottom secured you could just seal them in, there's only so many ways out of a skyscraper.
>>30441061
there's almost no video footage of the place.
>>30422897
Edinbvrgh. go into a buildong on the groundfloor, go down 3 floors and come out on another ground level. PLus all the wee lanes that jink here there and everybloodywhere. Not to mention the buried streets full of plague victims. Oh and soddding great castle on top of an extinct volcano in the middle of it.
>>30435796
>not posting glorious cross-section of the kowloon walled city
>>30423871
I've been to venice it would be impossible to clear block by block.
>>30441542
Jesus Christ, imagine having to clear that place building by building, room by room.
>>30424565
>>30424032
I was literally about the say the same thing, like how can a city get that big and still work....
>>30424032
Jesus fuck. Neo Tokyo isn't a fantasy.
>>30441581
that is the coolest shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lby9P3ms11w
>>30441585
>some triad gets a little crazy with the AK
>15 rooms over, your head explodes
>>30441585
>>30424032
Traumatizing just to think about having to clear that building by building, Jesus Christ.
>>30423847
I think a huge fire will be somewhat of an improvement.
>>30423909
Funny enough, the citadel in central Aleppo is under siege constantly.
>>30422897
Mexico City.
>>30422897
NZ fag here
Auckland would actually be fairly difficult as there's this giant bloody gully that runs down a large portion of the city with relatively few bridges, if you took those out moving around the city would get annoying fast
Sao Paulo
Bangkok
Buenos Aires
Tokyo
Juncion
Karachi
Most cities in Texas would be hell to hold on to due to the native population being so well armed. The terrain is mostly easy to deal with, but any invasion would ultimately fail to hold the cities.
Middle-size backwater Russian cities.
During the Chechen Wars, the Russians literally had to bomb everything to the ground (the UN declared Grozny the most destroyed city in the world) because the urban fighting was so ridiculously hard.
Their own design was being used against them.
>>30442148
was Grozny even more destroyed than Warsaw or Manila?
because that's a superb achievement
>>30422897
Paris. Read World War Z and imagine a well trained army instead of zombies.
>>30423794
>>30424032
I stand corrected. How many fire departments do they have?
>>30442157
I suppose so. The UN said that not a single building was left undamaged.
>>30442146
if your goal is to secure the city and the civilians are fightin you there is no point in not leveling the city
>>30435796
Just send in Judge Dredd
>>30442175
>Paris
Literally WWII all over again.
>>30441472
>Tall skyscrapers would also be nightmares but easier to deal with, once you have the bottom secured you could just seal them in, there's only so many ways out of a skyscraper.
>Easy
Imagine doing that per every skyscraper.
That's your advance held up right there.
Amsterdam would be pretty tough.
>Canals every 3 steps
>Narrow streets
>Small bridges
>Easy defensive lines
If the bridges are out you're going to have spend a lot of time putting down temporary ones, giving the defenders a great opportunity to fuck you up from the other side
Not impossible, but still a bitch.
>>30437449
>No ground, only water
>>30442687
I live pretty close to there.
The trams system could be used for logistics transportation and even armord trains (trams in this case) like in WW1 (talking more about a rebellion than a war between nations now).
But the canals could be either used by you or used against you, maybe you'll get attacked from the sea or you get enemy gunboats blasting trough. You should probably have some seamines.
>>30424252
holy shit
>>30442743
You could easily block access from the sea, really. Gunboats would be pretty easy to block and destroy considering how narrow most of the canals are and the presence of quite a few low bridges.
Not to mention the amount of shit already in the canals. You could pretty easily build a wall in the canals by just throwing a load of bicycles in.
>>30426474
>tfw there will NEVER be Wargame maps of famous Euro cities
>>30424032
how large of a force would you need to overtake something the size of the tokyo metropolitan area
>>30441826
>buildings
Oh, Anon...
>>30442148
As the general do you get some sort of trophy for that? Because I think there should be a trophy for that
>>30435796
thats what came to mind when i read this thread
winter norilsk or some steppe shithole like one on ur op pic
t: moscovite from steppe shithole
Norilsk, Russia
Pittsburgh
Too many rivers to cross to enter the city.
Traffic jams at all of our tunnels further slow the advancing troops.
Invading army finds they cannot understand the layout of our labrynthian streets.
CMU students attach firearms to their robots, creating first terminators.
Even if our comm lines are decoded, the invading army has no chance of understanding the Yinzer accent.
Defending troops blast Donnie Iris during each battle, lowering morale of invaders.
Snoop Dogg holds benefit concert to support city when he hears Heinze Field was bombed.
>>30443631
You get a total shithole of a country.
>>30430483
Karadzic has nothing to do with siege of Dubrovnik, and also they didn't conquer it
>>30422897
The greater detroit metro area, too much open space between building clusters. The whole megapolis is a killzone until you hit the deep boonies.
>>30423825
No, we're on the topic of a "ground war" in a major urban area.
While that GENERALLY includes CQB, it's not exclusively CQB. Nor is it limited to brushfire fighting/counterinsurgency and can include total war.
In which case, pretty much anywhere with large quantities of poor residents is going to be a firestorm (and it's a crapshoot who starts it) within the first 12 hours as all those highly flammable poor-people-buildings go up.
>>30441593
a collective society that hides its horrors behind a show of civility
>>30443522
Two scantily leather-clad men screaming "HADDOU GEIIII!" and air-humping their way down any street. It's a literal pied piper.
>>30422897
A large city full of skyscrapers.
Anything less and my idea of "fighting" is as simple as a long ridiculous creeping barrage from the outskirts with a fuckload of HE and white phosphorus arty and mortars. You want to fight in a clusterfuck? Your tiny chunks can burn with it.
Like an all out attack or insurgency?
The army itself seems to think Karachi would be a nightmare to deal with if Pakistan was ever a war zone. More people than all of Afghanistan in one city, plus skyscrapers, high rises, slums, etc.
Morgantown, WV.
Mountains, no direct roads into city proper, narrow winding streets, back alleys, drunken college rednecks. Basically a US version of a favella.
>>30424567
Your little town with ammo and rifles is easy to either encircle or cut up, toyko/moscow/nyc have tunnels, bridges, extremely tall buildings, old stone everything and train yards, busses ect. Almost an unlimited number of people that you either have to feed or some how remove once the shooting starts.
Your little town isvan afternoon job for 5 strikers and a tank. With 5 platoons max needed
>>30424032
Literally Gone with the Blastwave
>>30443522
>Tokyo covers 845 square miles, almost 3 times the land area of New York City
>just Tokyo Bay itself is 510 square miles
>(for comparison Baghdad is only 78 square miles)
And that's only counting Tokyo proper, not even taking into account Yokohama or Chiba or any of the other coastal cities, or even the urban centers north of Tokyo. It is truly a urban warfare strategist's nightmare.
>all that reclaimed industrial land
Fuck that.
>>30444244
>WV
no one would bother with that place.
>>30432380
it'd be very easy actually. set up perimeter around the area and starve them out. knock out basic utilities
>>30444701
lots of coal and buttsex
>>30422897
San Francisco
>very compact city
>lots of hills
>almost no visibility
>roads placed with very little rhyme or reason
>on a peninsula
>easy choke points all around
>>30422897
This.
>>30445011
What about coalsex? Some good ol' anthracite to excite.
>Any American city the "hardest to fight a ground war in
Sorry guys, but no. Most of your roads are too wide and your cities are well planned out and grid-like. Any semi decent strategist could formulate a plan to take them. Some of the older cities on the east coast might be a bit tough, that's about it.
It's the cities in poor countries or cities that have been around for centuries that will be the toughest. They're usually chaotic and nonsensical with shit placed wherever there's space. It's going to be much harder to fight in a city that makes no sense than block by block in a grid.
>>30442078
>>30423909
I've wanted to visit krak de chevaliers for 10 years as part of a wider crusader tour of the Mediterranean.
And I feel so sad knowing that ISIS have fucked up the most beautiful and strongest castle ever built.
>>30445576
Nah man, it's only a bit damaged
thank god the SAA have that shit under control though
>>30445788
structurally it's still there, but the crusader chapel is definitely RIP in peace
>>30423794
Thankfully we have ways of dealing with Japanese cities.
>>30445861
>>30445056
Lol that just makes it easy as fuck to cut off from supplies.
>>30441636
I just watched the entire thing. I can't even comprehend that shit. I don't even know what to say.
What would a general do when faced with taking a mega city? Would the place be bombed to hell and back? I heard you have to have 10:1 ratio of troops for taking a city what would that look like?
>>30441636
Holy shit that place is interesting.
I'm curious as to what it'd be like being a triad enforcer in a place like that.
>>30446361
>oppressive af gov't
>chance to live free, still in the culture you know
>conditions aren't really all that much worse than prison or whatever crappy factory you grew up in
>pros outweigh the cons
LA, too many gun free zones.
>>30447113
>>30441636
>you will never shitpost from kowloon walled city
>>30445463
Try boston
>>30445056
also
> airborne AIDS
Los Angeles or San Diego
Phoenix Metropolitan Area + Valley of the Sun.
>Actually multiple cities that got so fucking big they ran into each other.
>Giant flat desert valley, almost managed to completely fill, surrounded on all sides by mountains and rocky desert terrain.
>Multiple mountains within the city.
>Farm lands located within urban development.
>Man made river.
>More airports than I can get anything to admit to.
>>30422897
Disney Land.
>>30432314
Dom?
>>30422897
I would say Lagos, Nigeria
>>30448463
And literally everyone is armed
>>30423989
That's really amazing as a westerner to see that China's collectivist nature extends to even how officers are trained in that they are treated as cogs like enlisted and not the flexible and independent tacticians western armies have.
>>30423999
That idiot, really shows they dont know shit at all.
I can't even begin to imagine the brutality of close-quarters fighting for individual levels of skyscrapers all the while exchanging fire from neighbouring towers.
>>30450280
The buildings would be leveled, which might actually be worse.
>>30430508
Kowloon Walled City doesn't exist anymore
>>30443793
Norilsk is specifically designed to protect the city from the harsh blizzards and winds by being open and having wide streets, its probably gonna be one of the easier cities to conquer because of that.
chiraq
>>30432276
>>30431695
do snowmen feel pain?
>>30422897
Minkler, CA. 93657
LOOK UP THAT FIREFIGHT BITCHES
>>30423471
>Pyongyang.
>Like the USSR, its designed for urban warfare. Unlike Russia, we know nothing about it.
>we know nothing about it
>nothing
Try Google maps my friend.
>>30451577
No, they're too cold
>>30445926
>It even looks like a fucking mushroom cloud
>>30430580
>SWMO
In okie very near Joplin. Sometimes in Neosho. You ever shoot at the Crowder WMR dept of conservation range?
>>30440059
>it's already been gassed...
Fuck.
>>30441585
Fuck poverty, man.
>>30441636
Fuck that
>>30422897
Las Vegas
Entire army immobilized and full of std's
>>30444642
>>30443522
>>30424032
Fucking hell
>>30435796
>>30441581
>>30441585
Kowloon I knew about, but I've not seen a view of the Tokyo sprawl before - I'm getting mad cyberpunk vibes
>>30440059
Also damn
>>30443827
>Asking locals for directions to rebel camps
>Get lost when they miss the turn at "that old bar that was a church, but is now a daycare" or "Where my cousin Jim crashed his car into a tree, and drunkenly ran off with Susan's parking chair."
>>30448877
Come on, these are cadets. Dont want to see what fuckups we have in our officer schools.
>>30445576
A castle is to be used for war. The ISIS and SAA fighting over that ancient castle makes it creators and their ancestors smile in heaven, for this is the true purpose of their creation.
You don't fight ground wars in cities, you bomb them to shit nowadays. Where have you guys been?
>>30451881
>smug_house.jpg
>>30441472
Seoul, South Korea is twice the size of London and has a huge metro and underground. There are massive underground malls that seem to go on for miles until you reach the levels below them. It's pretty mind boggling.
>>30448463
Phoenix area would be easy actually.
>lots of wide boulevards and highways
>flat terrain
>density of the urban areas is relatively low
And most importantly, compared to Tokyo or some shit,
>small
>>30443522
How destroyed would be the area?
Tokyo 1945 or Bagdad 2003?
For 1945 i would estimate 200k GI's and 500k least for 2003.
>>30437658
b-but I need it for my juices
>>30422897
>ctrl f
>no atlantis
explain yourself /k/
>>30424032
Montana here, how the fuck do people live in a place like that where they don't even have their own land? Do they really all just live in cramped apartment spaces.
Really makes me appreciate all the open space I have on my ranch. and the woods around it. Going to go fishing to get that image out of my head.
>>30422943
winner, that or any part of bangledesh
>>30442633
>advance
What fucking advance?
It would probably be an inland city with at least one big river separating the defenders from the attackers
Maybe Pittsburgh?
>all these anons thinking that cities on the coast would be hard to for an invading force to take
>>30448463
Don't forget the 20 golf courses
>>30454826
But what if we don't want political backlash? What if there are civilian allies (resistance, underground political parties, etc.)?
>>30454780
his gun is stuck underneath his pack. Even our cadets arent that stupid.
>>30424032
The only way take out a place like that would be to comp
There is no way you could do that street-by-street like say. Other big cities, Houston, for example have big long wide streets able to bring supplies, convoys and all manner of logistical support. Very few, if any, small hidden back alleys.
>>30423794
>>30424032
there are ways of dealing with Japanese cities
>>30430580
>>30451666
goddammit i just moved north to lees summit and now i have nowhere to go innawoods.
>>30441183
>>30445056
This.
Anybody trying to do an assault would get bogged down real fast by the shitty coastline and extremely steep hills that are almost impossible for heavy vehicles to climb.
Downtown would be a dug-in defending force's wet dream desu.
Whoever has the high ground can just rain arty and AA on the attackers while they have to send almost totally unsupported infantry to try and root them out.
Also plenty of easy ambush points in the residential areas in the hills and towards the water too so your initial amphib push can get fucked.
Clearing SF would be like WWII Pacific levels of shitty.
>>30441636
what a bleak existence.
>>30455626
Area of tokyo metropolitan area is 5,419 sq mi.
Area of phoenix metropolitan area is 9,071 sq mi.
>>30426464
>>30426605
LA is easy-tier once you cut the water supply.
Probably one of those cities in Korea where there's just endless apartment buildings that are exact copies of each other as far as the eye can see.
>>30422897
Aren't big metropolises easy to besiege now, though? Millions of people need a huge amount of resources to survive. Control the major highway junctions and railheads and you've massively slashed what goes into the city. Regular drone patrols of the minor roads can destroy any trucks bringing in goods in a more scattered way. It's unlikely that you can stop every single entry point of course, but you can reduce people to starvation rations easily.
>>30463398
not if the city has rivers going through it and the defenders control the other side of the river
my vote goes to Pittsburgh:
>>30459254
>>30423934
>>30451614
wat
>>30424032
What the fuck, is that a highway built onto the river?
>>30423471
>Its also filled with tons of loyalists, regime supporters, and war criminals that the attacking army would be obligated to hang.
In that case a good bombing campaign will take care of that
>>30422975
Literally siege it, works for every other army thats taken it
>>30435796
Literal hive city
>>30441636
i can smell it just by watching the video
>>30435796
Kinda wish I could experience it. Just living there for a few days/weeks.
>>30435796
Fun fact; those who lived there are actually what you call as an upper middle class people. It's just that having even a studio apartment would be expensive as hell.
Once the MTR line linking the mainland to hobg kong island is complete, we can see many people ditching that decrepit apartments with better, cheaper home across the channel
>>30429312
>know Creek
>crazy Hill Jacks, all armed to the teeth
>full of natural resources
>no flat ground anywhere
It's not a city but nobody will ever conquer the Smokies. You might could buy them off.
>>30454826
No, you don't. The structures for mass-bombings doesn't exist in barely any country anymore, not even in the US. Im not saying that the US couldnt fuck a couple of cities up, im saying that they couldn't support the campaign for a prolonged period which would be required.
You use precision bombs to destroy and neutralize key targets and then use movement to defeat your opponent.
>>30465047
If we could support nonstop bombardment a hundred years ago in war then we can do it now and even more intense. It's easy to win when you're enemies are so closely packed in a dense city and the logic has been to not cluster up because the more sophisticated we get with arms, the more killing power we can inflict on a single spot.
>>30462154
Tokyo MA is almost 99% urban however.
The outskirts of Phoenix is just suburbs surrounded by desert.
>>30443522
you'd only need a tactical bomber
>>30443827
invading army gets heart disease from all those glorious picksboogh sammiches. then gets dui while choaking on pretzels.
>>30444244
>>30444701
>>30445011
>>30445114
WV is Kentucky's Mordor.
>>30447832
KEK, that would be hilarious. those fucking irish would get into a race war with the blacks over who can steal the most shit from the invaders.
Paris would be hard.
The buildings are compacts and high, and the streets are yuge. You'll be dead in second if you're on the road.
>>30465433
>irish would get into a race war with the blacks
I fucking wish.
>>30465507
my uncles ex wifes family that live in southie and that area, are the niggerest of all peoples on earth. they can steal a car faster than any puerto rican, get arrested faster than any black, go on welfare faster than any mexican, and drop out of school faster than any unwed teenage mother. they are the great white chimps.
the saddest thing in the world is trying to watch one of them fill out a job application. shit looks like something off of spongebob.
>>30422975
It would be easy. Venice isn't very big. and you would just need to secure the major bridges. And clear it section at a time.
>>30423709
This
I experienced this in MW2. It was.. Hell.
>>30465461
Implying this hasn't already happened
