What modern production DA/SA handgun has the best Double action trigger pull? Is it the Sigs?
>>30408741
The DA pull on a standard Sig is awful, sadly.
My P226 X-Five Allround's DA pull is incredibly shitty. The SA is good but could be better.
>>30408741
Beretta 92/M9
>>30408741
Sig Legion. No competition.
>>30408817
I disagree. Every Sig that I've had has had a great DA and SA trigger pull, save for my old SP2022 which wasn't bad but wasn't great.
>>30408886
The 92/M9 does have a great trigger, but the Legion kills everything. That said, I'd like to shoot a Wilson Combat 92 Brigadier and see how that compares to the Legion.
>>30408886
How is the berreta 92fs vs the sig P226 9mm for self defense?
>>30408817
How new was the Allround? I found mine got substantially better after about 500 rounds on both DA and SA pulls
>>30408963
Not him, but personally I prefer Sigs. I love the Beretta 92, don't get me wrong. But I'm so familiar with the take down and controls. I prefer having a decocker only and like the location on the sig rather than the slide mounted safety/decocker on the M9/92. You can get a 92G if you can find one which is a decocker only, but you'll pay more for it.
Both are great guns, I'm a Sig fanboy but I'm not going to badmouth the 92 either.
>>30408741
The West German Sig you posted has kind of an average DA pull, but a new production Sig, especially pretty well broken in, especially a Sig Legion, definitely is going to have the best DA trigger pull of any new production DA/SA pistol, out of the box.
That said, I prefer to shoot HK USP's because DA trigger pull smoothness is not everything.
>>30409008
Any other suggestions for a 10 round 9mm? (Cucked state)
>>30409375
.50 Beowulff AR pistol
>>30408741
>da/sa handgun
Probably a smith revolver.
>>30408741
Sig 226 M-25 or Legion
Walther P99AS
HK P30
>>30411852
*MK25
fucking iphone keyboard
>>30408886
out of the da/saproduction pistols ive shot out of the box the 92 has had the smoothest feeling trigger.(better than sig or cz) they put that extra effor in finishing touches. that said it breaks in the worst possible location ruining the whole thing.
>>30411852
>P30
>Good trigger
Pick one
>>30412279
What don't you like about it, and what are some pistols that have, what you consider to be, a better trigger?
>>30409008
Are we the same person?
>>30412330
Its just so meh, especially given that there are so many great DA/SA triggers out there. Even the SP2022 has a nicer trigger than a P30. It's literally the P30's biggest drawback. The USP trigger is much nicer.
The P30 is a nice gun and having a meh really doesn't take anything away from it. It's full of pro's, but if we're talking strictly in the context of best triggers, it's just not up there imo
>>30408741
Sphinx SDP
>>30408741
USP with match kit.
Also, Chiappa rhino.
My buddy had an old CZ-75 that probably had 5000+ rounds through it, so needless to say it was very well broken in. The DA trigger pull on that was like silk, best of any auto pistol I've personally shot.
>>30412859
i got a new Sp-01 recently, my brother said the DA pull was amazing.
and that's with 100rds through it.
i can't comment myself, as the only other DA pull i've experienced is a p64 brutal finger snapping DA pull
>>30412571
>>30412330
HK DA is heavier than sigs by a little bit
SIG has a better DA hands down, but the SA is not that much different, in fact I couldn't really tell shooting them
If you get an HK try out the USP and p30 side by side
I have a USPC right next to me
I'm loving this just got it today
>>30408929
>Every Sig that I've had has had a great DA and SA trigger pull,
The stock trigger on my P226 was fine too. but its just that the reset was a mile fucking long. I put in an SRT kit and it made a world of difference to me. Everything else about the trigger is still the same, except the reset. I wouldn't want to go back.
>>30412571
>is so meh
>is much nicer
Can you give any specifics? I'm asking what is it about a trigger that makes it "nice" or "meh."
>>30412990
The P30 trigger is heavier than a standard Sig, yes. Does that make it worse, though? Both have smooth pulls, as opposed to being gritty or what I'd call "geary," where you can feel the different internal levers engaging other internal levers. The Sig has an evenly weighted pull, whereas the P30 pull gets heavier toward the breaking point. As a result, the breaking point of the P30 is a couple pounds heavier than the Sig, but you only experience the extra weight at the end of the pull, so I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference on the shooting experience.
>>30413337
Go read a bunch of P30 reviews. The opinions on the trigger range from "it's trash" to "you get used to it".
>>30413075
Nice, congrats.
stay away from safety's on triggers you will always pull you shot group to one side or the other . takes allot of training to not.
>>30414370
>Go read a bunch of P30 reviews. The opinions on the trigger range from "it's trash" to "you get used to it".
I don't have to. I own one. I summarized my opinion of the trigger in >>30413391. Are you just basing your opinion on "a bunch of reviews" or have you ever actually shot one? Notice how I gave specifics as to why I think it's a good trigger? I'm not saying it's the best DA/SA trigger out there, just that it is, in fact, a good trigger.
Easily a CZ75 SP-01.
>>30408886
Seconded. Vertec out of box has the D spring and the short reach.
>>30415461
You must be high off your ass.
The m9 stock DA is like 16 pounds.
>>30415452
>SP-01
Do you think the trigger in this is different from the trigger in the standard CZ 75B?
>>30415543
You must get you info about 92/M9 from your "buddy in the military" because your fucking wrong bruh. A D springed 92 DA pulls at 8LBS and the stock at 11.
>>30413075
>the only NEW Sig besides the X-series to not use MIM
You made the right choice. The Legions are utter crap, but hey atleast it came with an overpriced collectors coin...
http://www.tactical-life.com/combat-handguns/sig-sauer-mk25-9mm/
The only non-German or W.German Sig I would buy would be the MK25.
>>30409008
So on the Sig there is just a decocker, no manual safety and on the 92, its a safety/decocker.
So lets say I've got them both with the hammer back and I hit the decocker. On the 226 it takes it back to DA and I've got no way of putting a manual safety on and on the 92 it decocks the gun and puts it safety so that I have to flick the safety back off to fire it DA?
Do I have that right?
>>30409375
Might as well get it small if you're limited to 10 rounds of 9mm.
Is the CZ Rami BD legal in your state? I know Commifornia has some shit rules about concealable pistols too.
Best choice for commiefornia is this:
-smaller than a G19
-10 rounds of 45acp stopping powah
-Glawk brand Glawk so its reliable
If you can search for a used 30S for a good price on Calguns then jump on it. If you can't then a 30SF is fine bu the 30S is the straight up best version of the Glock 30.
>>30416715
thx for the link
>>30412596
I'm sorry, are you confusing the SDP with a real Sphinx because the trigger on the SDP is Fucking inexcusable
>>30416715
How is it possible that the Legion which cost more than the MK25 uses shittier quality parts?
>>30417156
I want to know this too.
>>30417156
>>30417273
The box and coin cost money to produce. Also the Legion is just a collab cash grab from both GrayGuns and Sig. The MK25 on the other hand is the gun that SIG makes the least amount of money from due to its higher manufacturing cost.
>>30417303
Thx anon bro
>>30417303
You're forgetting:
>Grayguns custom PSAIT trigger
>Sig custom shop tuned action
>undercut below trigger guard
>X-Ray night sights
>Solid stainless steel guide rod
>Reduced beavertail
>low-profile decocker and slide catch
But sure, yeah it's all just the coin and case...
>>30416817
fuck off
>>30408817
>The DA pull on a standard Sig is awful
Dude, no. Just no.
Sign are great. What do you guys use for holsters? I'm going to start carrying my P229
>>30419073
>What do you guys use for holsters?
Don't have a holster for my 226 but if I did, I would buy one from raven concealment.
>>30419073
I'm assuming OWB or are you looking for IWB
>>30419117
Will confirm that either Raven or BlackPoint Tactical are great for OWB
That said, Comp-Tac is GOAT for IWB. I use the Comp-Tac Minotaur for my P239 and a BlackPoint Tactical for my P226.
>>30419172
IWB, appendix carry
>>30419239
Appendix carrying a P229? If you can do it, more power to you. I prefer any larger gun to be at 4 o'clock.
I'd recommend a dedicated appendix holster and prefer a hybrid rather than a straight up kydex pancake holster.
Check out Comp-Tac's offerings.
>>30419295
No choice really. My hip is fucked, the way I walk causes me to print constantly, and my shirts end up on top of the holstered gun if I have it anywhere else
>>30416757
You are correct.
>>30419490
Try a hybrid, it's the best of both worlds. But buy quality. Cheap leather is not something you want to deal with down the road.
You'll get the benefits of the kydex shell but you'll have a leather backing that will be more comfortable and conform to your body better.
I love Raven, especially because they're like 30 minutes from me, for OWB, but not so much for IWB unless it's the Vanguard 2 which I really wish I could find for my 442.
>>30413075
Id like those if they had a beavertail.
>>30416715
Probly over paid at 720$ plus tax but hands down the best pistol I have ever owned
>>30418779
>Grayguns custom PSAIT trigger
MSRP $65
>Sig custom shop tuned action
Okay, its just an SRT kit installed.
>undercut below trigger guard
>Reduced beavertail
$0 because its just a few seconds more of CNCing
>X-Ray night sights
You have a point here, $100.
>Solid stainless steel guide rod
Most Sigs that isn't the bone stock P226 have this now.
>low-profile decocker and slide catch
Okay but its still MIM parts unlike the MK25's decocker and slide catch.
I'd say you do have a point on why the Legion cost more, however it still does not warrant the extra $300.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWxyXIadSr0
>>30420938
>I'd say you do have a point on why the Legion cost more, however it still does not warrant the extra $300.
No, that's not what you're saying. You're just regurgitating what that retarded cuck says. You're literally admitting that you aren't even voicing your own opinion.
And here's a fact: yankee marshall is a fucking retard and so are you.
I take it back this might actually be a mk24
>wtf
I have a newer production p226 whose da pull has a *sproooonnnng feel sound at the end if that makes sense.
My m9 is not heavy just long but breaks clean as fuck. Definitely the better da trigger.
Get back on track fuckers we're talking about the initial double action trigger pull on da/sa guns.
That fucking noise from the sig bugs the shit out of me when I dry fire practice.
Dan pls
>>30420938
lol u mad bruh
>>30421234
The rebounding hammer on SIGs always feels odd to me when dry firing. I am more used to the very positive sounding hammer on m9s.
Or are you talking about something different?
>>30420938
>however it still does not warrant the extra $300
It absolutely does when you add in all of the upgrades. Maybe not to you, you cheap bastard.
>>30420938
>believing the yankeedipshit
>ever
>>30419073
>Safariland.
I've got a mid-ride holster for my 220 and 226.
>>30421412
You're right anon sigs have a rebounding hammer, its a feature. That other anon is a dumb ass. Although the M9 does have a nice DA.
Shitposting with my P229
Goddamn it. I was planning on buying a P229 Elite Stainless this week but you fuckers have made me reconsider for a 226 Mk25. Guess it will depend on what my local stores have to offer.
>>30422530
I have the 229 elite shown above. Love it. Doubt anything will ever think about breaking for the next 100,000 rounds. Bear in mind MIM is basically sintered steel which benchmade makes only its finest sharpest knives from. Its a legit way to make small parts because it can produce a very molecularity well distributed steel.
>>30422567
>>30422497
>>30422567
Yeah. I owned a 226 with the dreaded long extractor put thousands of rounds through it without issue. Still leaning 229.
>>30422621
Yeah man Sig would have recalled them or done something if they were that prone to fail. I have a 92FS as well and the 4.9" barrel on that satisfies my full size boner. The 229 is the nice compactish under the pillow piece/glovebox/nightstand piece.
I have a 92 I actually think the stock DA is too much weight I changed out the recoil spring, hammer spring, and trigger with a Wolff it's much improved pretty light feeling now
Idk if I like that better or my P239 it's a toss up
>>30422693
Yeah the 92 has a pretty hard core DA its hard to train on. Sigs are better out of the box I agree. i though about lightening up my trigger. I want to have the front site drilled out and tridium put in then have the trigger done up at the same time.
>>30422530
IMO the MK25 should be the base sig, like the vertec should be the base Beretta. To add to that they should never have stop making real P228s and Beretta should never have dropped the centurian. They both grant out a billion models with seemingly random variance. at least with sit Cohen can be blamed, with Beretta I guess it's a matter of HQ being Italian
But what do they give a shit
>>30423921
I agree, sig makes me wonder if mk25 is overpriced? or the p226 is a POS that they skimped on parts. Why not just make every gun to the best of their engineering standards.
>>30423921
I wonder how succesful it would be if you just ordered Beretta modularly. So you picked your frame (standard vertec compact ect) then your slide (normal, compact ect) barrel (standard, threaded). Beretta would automatically add the correct springs and such. Should work no?
>>30422497
>Other guy admits it feels weird too.
So what if it's a feature it doesn't change how It feels.
> xd gripzone is a feature
> glock trigger on a trigger safety is a "feature"
>>30423921
Do standard 92FS/M9 mags work on the Vertec?
Aside from the thin grips and flush barrel is there anything else the Vertec has going for it over the standard model?
I love Beretta Triggers as well, very smooth.
>>30425605
>Do standard 92FS/M9 mags work on the Vertec?
yes.
>>30424132
The full size slide would be incompatible with the compact frame. I would be interested in a vertec compact. The A1 versions both have better radius cuts in the backstrap, so that's something.
>>30424250
It only feels weird when dry firing, if that helps.
I love my Sig's DA/SA trigger especially after I installed the SRT. I owned a M9 with a D spring but I much prefer the trigger plus the manual of arms on the Sig.
Man if only there was a version that doesn't come with this crappy overpriced reddot.
>CZ
>Sig
>HK
>Beretta
Any faggot in here saying the 92 has a good DA pull has never fucking touched one.
>>30427959
I own a 92fs and its good I mostly like its very short reset, but unlike the cz its not gritty so should I say that anyone who says the 75 and friends have good trigger pulls has never touched one? And come off like a cunt like you?
>>30427959
the 92 has a good DA pull
>>30427805
Take it off and sell it to a chump?
>>30427805
That is a gorgeous firearm.
>>30412989
The sp 01 has a very smooth trigger, but it is on the heavier side compared to the shadow series.
>>30427959
>>30428021
>>30428047
I personally own a CZ P01 with around 3000 down the pipe, and my father owns a 75B with probably...10k? 15k? Who knows.
In any case, the DA on my P01 is, in fact, gritty. The pull will get better over time though, this is a known thing with CZ. My buddy just got a police trade in 92F, and the pull in DA is shockingly good. I'd go as far as to say that it is the feature of the pistol that I like the most. It is deffinetly as good as my pops' 75B, but I wouldn't say it's nescessarily better.
>>30408741
I've tried about every trigger on a production gun out there and own a P226 elite, USP, and a jericho. In my opinion the jericho and all EAA/Tanfoglios have the nicest feeling factory triggers. The DA is far closer to a revolver, where as everything else is mushy or just strange feeling. The beretta M9/92 aren't too bad, I'd probably rate them the next step down.
>>30427959
It isn't DA only revolver smooth but it is exactly as good as a DA/SA semiauto handgun should be: good enough.
Which sig is best sig?
>>30429911
Legion or MK25 if you put the SRT package in and some X-Ray night sights on it.
If you've got the money for the Legion do it. If you're planning on submerging your Sig in salt water, you might wanna go with the MK25.
>>30429911
>>30429923
Also my favorite Sig is the P220 but they haven't released the Legion P220 yet.
>>30423921
What is those gats
>>30429923
>If you're planning on submerging your Sig in salt water, you might wanna go with the MK25.
>>30430323
Can I get the story behind that picture???
>>30430323
Didn't they immediately replace that spring? No manufacturer is perfect.
