http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/wp/2016/05/27/fat-leonard/
>He tempted his targets with the high life: whiskey, cigars, prostitutes and cash.
>His moles fed him bundles of military secrets and law enforcement files.
>All so he could rip off the Navy on an industrial scale for years and years.
>Now, the depth of the corruption is being exposed as the investigation reaches into the highest ranks of the Navy.
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/1969091/how-fat-leonard-francis-seduced-and-corrupted-us
>When the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier docked in Hong Kong in 2004, Francis treated its officers to an opulent party, replete with escorts, at the Island Shangri-La.
USN confirmed for so rotten and corrupt even beyond Russia/China/India-tier.
Who gives a fuck?
>>30408465
>not realizing the Chinese pretty much got everything about the USN by now, specifications, deployment plans, contigencies.
>>30408435
It's part of Obama's plan to encourage a proto-communist revolution. One of the steps is his purging the military of all capable and dependable leaders and replacing them with assholes and women.
>>30408435
>>USN confirmed for so rotten and corrupt even beyond Russia/China/India-tier.
God no
>>30408435
Russia/China/India corruption is at basically all levels, going from things to literal slavery in the Indian armed forces, common rape in the Russian armed forces, and People literally paying to be Generals in China.
Generals having a good time in a foreign land isn't that bad compared since the structure below them is mostly sound.
>>30408435
Nice
>>30408435
If they had brothels on the boats, it would likely fix about 90% of the issues with the Navy.
Officer corps is part of the aristocracy, this behavior isn't uncommon.
This isn't even that bad compared to the country's you listed.
>Francis and his firm have admitted to defrauding the Navy of $35 million
aka fucking nothing
And here I wanted to join the Navy... back to the army I guess
>>30408843
Basically this, active duty USN here I have personally spent over $300,000 in calibration equipment in less than 2 months no one gives a fuck about spending money higher ups will bottom line anything I have seen several thousand dollar surefire flashlight and Leatherman orders for supply to give to people they like.
>>30408435
How does it compare to the state of the armed forces in 1971?
>The morale, discipline, and battle-worthiness of the U.S. Armed Forces are, with a few salient exceptions, lower and worse than at any time in this century and possibly in the history of the United States.
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/Vietnam/heinl.html
>>30408435
>USN confirmed for so rotten and corrupt
c'est la vie
>even beyond Russia/China/India-tier
loooooooooooooooool no
>>30408716
Guess what. If you arent running a dictatorship, like a Castro level dictatorship, then you are in a corrupt nation.
This is why China will achieve parity in technology and training before 2030. It wouldn't be impossible for retired US admirals to take teaching positions in the Chinese Navy. It's like NBA.
>>30408716
In China's there's a huge crackdown with a lot of executions, though. Unlike in the US, where the investigation will end up with those officials getting a slap on their wrist and spending public money on hookers again, while giving away US secrets to an obvious Chinese stooge.
>>30408989
>It wouldn't be impossible
lmao stop posting
>>30408435
>That face when this reminds me of shit I read in pic related book
>government is horribly corrupt
>this is news
Anon there is a reason why the second amendment says that the people keep arms, the government is fucked and always will be
>>30408435
>mfw
>>30408435
>Putting China and Russia on Indias level
come on now
>>30408716
why do you capitalize random nouns
Why is it always 7th Fleet with the fuckups
Seriously
>>30408435
Does this change the fact that the US Department of the Navy is the best self-contained fighting force on the face of the planet?
>>30409167
You mean show trials in kangaroo courts to silence dissenters, moderates and would be reformers to strengthen the Chinese Communist Party stranglehold on all institutions and cover Xi Jinping's ass from any upstart pretender
>>30410120
>CHANGE TOPIC STAT!
usnidf pls go
>>30410183
I was being an equal mix of sarcastic and serious to be honest.
I don't think this does change the fact but it also is a question that, though I admit was sarcastic in tone, is definitely open for actual discussion: could things like this put a recognizable dent in the US Dep. of the Navy's fighting ability.
>>30410208
It easily could by demonstrating that officials can be bribed and providing blackmail material to potential aggressors.
Additionally, people below them either get the idea that their leaders behavior is acceptable, putting them in potentially compromising positions, or leaves them discouraged and disillusioned, leading them to either bail asap or just do a shitty job.
Whether or not this has actually been the effect, I don't know. But it can be, which is why it's preferred that generals and their staff uphold a certain level of ethics and morality.
>A 51-year-old Malaysian citizen, Francis has since pleaded guilty to fraud and bribery charges. His firm, Glenn Defense Marine Asia, is financially ruined.
>>30408920
All nation's officer corps engage in this or more degenerate behavior.
The merits of the aristocracy over the commoners.
>>30408926
ex Royal navy, same here defence industries are a huge scam.
>>30410317
It cost the captian 4 years in levenworth and 100k.
The rear admiral will most likely get worse treatment.
The Malaysian fuck got 25 years and 300 million dollers lost in assets.
>>30408989
Except those retired admirals are Constitutionally prohibited from working for a foreign government.
Sure, they could still say screw it and go to work for the Chinks. In return they'd lose their retirement pay and benefits, as well as their citizenship. China would have to make good on those losses, as well as ponying up whatever other inducements the admirals require. If China's counting on this to help them close the parity chasm, I hope they have a fallback plan.
>>30410696
>4 years in leavenworth
An O-6 will not be treated the same as normal prisoners and will be able to recover on the outside world.
And there will be even less of an effect on a flag officer
Same with pic related
>>30410811
>amoral lifelong welfare queens won't quit a shitty pension for all the slant-eyed hookers their viagra imbued dicks can hit up
topkek
>>30410838
>trusting the Chinese to keep their promises once you're stuck in their country
>wanting to be stuck in fucking China when you were born with the most desired citizenship in the world and just finished working your way to a six figure pension and six figure consulting jobs
lol
no
>>30410863
>a six figure pension and six figure consulting jobs
>in OP article a navy contractor was given half a million in a few short years
don't forget the admirals under investigation were bought with far less money
>>30410863
Life's pretty good, if you are rich in China.
>>30410872
They were trying to play both sides.
If you move to China and do something the US doesn't like, they can revoke your citizenship, and you'll be stuck in China.
I don't think you understand how sweet it is to be a retired flag officer. That's the equivalent of a Fortune 500 CEO or a Senator in terms of power.
You're talking a six figure pension from the DoD, spots on boards of directors at companies, speaking fees, consulting gigs.
Beats the shit out of living in some smog filled industrial park.
>>30409167
>those officials getting a slap on their wrist
You should research the charges they're facing, and the penalties, before you start posting stupid shit. All of those guys who are cooperating with the investigators are doing so because it knocks about 15 years off of their sentences. That's significant when you're facing 50 or 75 years in someplace like Leavenworth or Gitmo. They could also be facing Federal Supermax time. Most of these guys will spend the rest of their lives in prison, the ones who complete their sentences will be in their 80s and 90s when they get to see sunlight again.
On top of everything else, they're looking at BCDs with loss of all pension and benefits. That means their families are fucked, as well.
>>30410904
>Beats the shit out of living in some smog filled industrial park.
Obviously you haven't seen how nouveau riche lives in China.
>equivalent... Senator in terms of power.
pic related
>>30410930
>Obviously you haven't seen how nouveau riche lives in China
Usually not in China.
>>30410928
>That means their families are fucked
There's something marvelous about imagining their little enraged dependent faces knowing they'll no longer live on The People's dime.
If only all dependents could feel that pain.
>>30410000
It's a sign that the acid is finally starting to kick in. Now if room service would just show up with the grapefruit and gallon of gin I ordered 45 minutes ago, maybe I could get some meaningful work done.
>>30410941
Usually its in Canada, NYC, Sydney or Monaco.
>>30410928
The difference between the US and China is that this happens once every decade or so in the US, and the dudes usually get rekt for it.
In China, this goes down non-stop and no-one cares, unless it goes public and they get a wrist slap, or unless they offend the wrong magnate and end up in pieces in a river.
>>30409167
>In China's there's a huge crackdown with a lot of executions, though
>things that never happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmevH4GeRsY
>>30411038
>Falun Gong affiliated news
Found you, dumb ABC.
>>30410208
Short term, yes, it could delay response times to fast-breaking events in-theater. By the end of the year all of the compromised officers will have been relieved and transferred.
In the slightly longer term, there's going to be a dip in overall morale and retention rates because there's going to be an Inquisition aimed at questionably unethical behavior.
The crackdown will probably shake out a few low-level scams and the like. And everybody gets about 10 more hours of powerpoint training per year.
>>30411045
It's true though, Zhang
No matter how much you want to shill for your homeland, executions for corruptions rarely happen
>>30411077
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14197485
>China executes corrupt Hangzhou and Suzhou officials
http://time.com/3700907/liu-han-execution-china/
>Execution of Business Tycoon Liu Han
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/08/liu-zhijun-sentenced-death-corruption
>Liu Zhijun, China's ex-railway minister, sentenced to death for corruption
>rarely
>>30410834
He's not going to be an O-6 when he comes out. He'll be a civilian, with a dishonorable discharge under his belt. He'll be lucky to get a job at McDonalds.
Admirals are held to even higher standards. They'll get longer sentences, steeper fines, and will also lose all pensions or benefits.
>>30410969
Yes a lot live overseas (especially the rich kids). But China is a big place and rich people can easily live it up away from the cities.
For example, China's richest hedge fund manager spent most of his time outside Ningbo before being bagged for inside trading.
>>30411089
wow, 3 people out of around a million bureaucrats
>Liu Zhijun, China's ex-railway minister, sentenced to death for corruption
Did you even watch the video?
>>30411089
http://www.dw.com/en/china-allows-death-penalty-for-extremely-serious-corruption-cases/a-19195292
>Chinese authorities have ruled that those found guilty of high-sum embezzlement or bribe-taking could now face execution. The move is part of China's anti-corruption campaign, but the punishment will not be mandatory.
Now, taking a certain amount of money will also be punishable by firing squad. Before, it was only dealt for officials whose corruption caused 'societal harm'.
>>30411112
>The Central Commission for Discipline Inspection under Xi inspected more than 71,000 officials and imposed more than 23,000 penalties in the 2015 calendar year.
>Recently, the campaign targeted senior military officials and state-owned companies, including former vice minister of public security Li Dongsheng, who was sentenced to 15 years in prison, and ex-oil executive Zhou Yongkan, who was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
>Furthermore, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) said earlier this year that 14 generals were convicted of corruption or placed under investigation.
Operation Fox Hunt
>According to the offical Xinhua news agency, the aim of Operation Fox Hunt is to "block the last route of retreat for corrupt officials." The operation, which was launched in July 2014, has been focusing on finding corrupt officials abroad.
>The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimated that between 16,000 and 18,000 former officials have fled China with at least 800 billion yuan (112 billion euros) from the mid-1990's to 2008.
As for Fox Hunt; the US is obviously not cooperating with China. They recently protected a main corrupt official's brother who fled to the US, and has taken quite a lot of sensitive paper with him as security.
This is why our military needs morally straight leadership and members with strong values.
>>30411298
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB1250.pdfVfbESVMlPvnp7pmXnA
>>30411298
Eagle scouts only
>>30411298
our military needs to put more into counter espionage.
Imagine thousands of warrant officers. that on paper are desk jockies at mundane bases.
their real job is to pretend to be enemy agents. to tempt officers, and enlisted with the right access ,into giving sensitive information.
now I know what you are going to say.
>this is entrapment
UCMJ is different from civilian law. you don't get a lot of legal protections under ucmj.
>>30408515
This is true.
the officer core is now filled with SJW tier faggotry, appointed by king dindu himself.
Any O worth a shit, gets out, or is forced out for a "gambling problem"...
We should have never had the 13th and 19th amendment.
>>30411372
>officer core
What branch does this post hail from?
>>30408972
miami cuban-amerifag here. castros regime was corrupt on every leevel as it is to this day
>Francis would sometimes fly in a band of pole dancers, which he called his Elite Thai SEAL Team, for X-rated shows, court records show.
oh lawd my sides
>>30411517
>>30411308
fixed link
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB1250.pdf
>>30408508
>murrica has contingencies
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
no
if murrica had anything close to any kind of "exit" plan, they won't be in the line up to be the nest poo-in-loo tier country, also how's the lead water murrica?
>>30410834
You are one ignorant fool.
There are no ranks in levenworth.
All this talk about senior personnel being held to increasingly higher standards. Doesn't sound like the Navy I remember...
>onboard aircraft carrier USS Enterprise
>2005, 6, 7, something like that
>stationed in Norfolk, might have been in the shipyards
>anyway
>Navy personnel all over the Hampton Roads area
>>(Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, Newport News, etc)
>racking up DUIs at an insane pace
>Enterprise is, as always, the tip of the spear
>>(at least the guy who did 100+ mph the wrong way down the interstate right into a couple on their way to the hospital wasn't one of our guys
>>hint; mom and dad dead, and the baby that was about to enter the world, didn't)
>Brass is RIPSHIT
>CO gets on the shipwide TV during a safety standdown, calling down fire and brimstone
>next person who gets a DUI, I don't care who, is getting publicly masted (NJPd; military kangaroo court)
>someone gets a DUI within days
>Whoops! He was a Chief! No mast for him!
>wtf.jpg
>week later, an E-3 gets a DUI
>stage is setup in the hangar bay
>"prisoner" escorted in by 4 man Security detail carrying M-16s, 2 with grenade launchers
>>didn't even know Security HAD grenade launchers, did they have to get them from Weapons Department?
>CO goes on like a baptist preacher, asks if sailor has anything to say for himself after he throws max allowable punishment at E-3
>E-3 chooses to remain silent
>CO gets even madder, kicks him out of the Navy
I believe in good order and discipline, and in fucking up the day of people who get DUIs, but when the CO broke his word about holding people responsible regardless of rank, and then turned it into a fucking circus when a lower enlisted guy fucked up soon thereafter, I just lost all respect for him, and so called "justice" in the Navy. I saw plenty since that corroborated that viewpoint.
>>30411997
Cont'd
I'd say it's a lot more likely that they send a small handful of the most absolutely ridiculous offenders to Leavenworth, and then simply torpedo the careers of the rest, without letting it go public, in order to preserve the myth of higher ups as somehow being godlike, or at least instantly worthy of respect as a person simply by virtue of having attained their current rank. Which anyone who's served can tell you is a crock of shit. Often as not, people earn rank by missing ass and simply refusing to retire.
>>30412076
They already sent a captian to levenworth. Suffice to say the upperbrass is assmad as fuck for being cheated.
>>30412220
>captain
>no admirals
worthless pageantry
>>30412232
Admirals trial started last month.
Give it time.
JAG is fucking furious.
>>30411997
I've never heard a good thing about the enterprise.
Do you have more stories? "First and Fuckedest" sounds rather fitting.
>>30412280
Here. This is for you.
>>30408515
Some female Colonel at Camp Johnson, NC gave us the anti-rape bit of the Coming Aboard speech or whatever. Two years later she got slapped with a sexual harassment charge by a male Captain.
>>30408515
Fuck off, Rush
Like god damn, your banter is amazing; but you are so fucking stupid sometimes
>>30408435
10 years ago
>>30408435
>>30412801
https://youtu.be/InBXu-iY7cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNdPPEwguDQ
>>30408435
Stuff like this almost makes me glad I didn't get through basic
>>30413161
>japanese ads were honest and truthful
>us ads were deliberately deceitful
confirm usn is run by corrupt liars
>>30412232
Give it time. They're getting the lower level peons out of the way for a couple of reasons: 1- because they want to see what other incriminating testimony falls out when they shake the tree, and 2- they don't want any distractions from the main event. It's not every day that you get to run herds of admirals through the machinery of military justice. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few suicides coming out of this circus.
>>30413166
Didn't make it through Navy BCT?
>>30411688
She's so pretty.
>>30413259
meh, the petraeus outcome seems far more likely. you don't get that high up in the military without sucking dick for favors.
>>30408435
I was an ensign during this. We were having an officer's function during a stop in the Philippines. 20 hookers came into the bar after the formalities. I thought it was standard operating procedure at the time.
>>30413286
Yeah, I messed up and broke my leg
I didn't want to be stuck in medical hold, so I just ended up getting an ELS
>>30412076
>Often as not, people earn rank by missing ass and simply refusing to retire.
Until HYT bites them on the ass. Did you never sit for any of the competitive exams for advancement? Or did you just not bother getting your PQS signed off?
How is that service members keep falling for the basic espionage shit, over and over again?
this is like basic stuff covered in the first 5 minutes of the yearly counter espionage class,
if someone is offering you cash, booze, pussy. they are probably trying to make you into an intelligence asset and get sensitive information .
>>30413375
They didn't "fall" for it; they knowingly entered into it, and that's part of why they'll get the book thrown at em despite being so high ranking.
>>30413412
The Military should just start executing them then.
Firing Squad and then cremation. Your ashes then dumped in international waters with out any family present.
>>30413368
I got the fuck out ASAP after I realized my chain of command were mainly pencil pushing ass kissers who joined the Navy during peacetime and kept reenlisting because they wanted to stay away from whatever brokeass situation they were running away from; they certainly weren't where they were because they gave a shit about their country or their mission. People like that, who have reached that tier of uselessness, band together and look out for each other. It makes it impossible to root their cancer out.
I would love nothing better than to one day see a group of auditors with wide and wild powers unleashed on the entirety of the military, to root out people like that, and kick them to the curb. Call them all Honorable Discharges, let them keep whatever their service entitles them to, but fucking get rid of them.
>>30413847
you know that would eliminate most of the blacks and hispanics from the military.
>>30413927
EOPS would be gutted, for damned sure.
>>30413927
Then they'd just get more because the "fair" military has enlistment quotas to keep the white/minority ratio to 50/50. I wondered why there were so many dumb niggers on my ship and why my friend had to wait 6 months to be shipped to boot. They literally have affirmative action in an organization that should ONLY be about hard work, self-sacrifice, and skill.
>>30413927
>bought an acog off ebay, photo should bible numbers
>holy shit its actually legit
>get letter 3 years later from JAG asking for it to be returned
>lolno
>person named in letter as thief is full hispanic
>>30414077
the military is the one organization where the progressives can directly order social engineering bullshit
I believe the Navy is the branch most filled with shitskins
>>30413297
Fundamental difference is, Petraeus had an affair while these guys were engaging in treason and peculation. They're going down hard.
>>30414658
>a general giving thousands of classified documents to a whore is just an affair
>lower ranked officers giving docking schedules to a contractor is treason
topkek
>>30408435
Cool story troll
>>30414680
Again, look at the differences. She's a US citizen, these admirals were trading classified info to foreign nationals.
Bottom line, everybody was thinking with their dick. Main difference is, Petraeus was allowed to keep his. His misbehavior came to light after he'd retired so his pension was never really on the line.
These admirals are going to lose everything, unless they have some bargaining chips. The fact that we're reading about it suggests that they have no leverage at all.
>>30414971
>implying document restrictions distinguish between us citizens or foreigners
lesson of the day: have powerful friends
>>30411997
That Chief who got a DUI killed his career, and he knows it. If he was on the list and above the cut for 8, that just went away and the first name on the list below the cut got a really nice Christmas present.
If the CPO was near or above the 18 year mark, he was given 2 options- take his chances with a summary, or put in his letter. The reason he didn't get masted is, CO's can take away a paygrade only if they can promote to that paygrade. So, E-6 is the cutoff for mast. The Chief would have to go to summary court martial, which the command was obviously unwilling to do. There are other ways to fuck over senior enlisted, they're pretty subtle. You can bet that Chief got assrammed hard, though.
>>30415036
Precisely. He had bargaining chips. The only chips these admirals are likely to have are each other. For most of them, their most powerful friend is a foreign national who's already behind bars.
The most minor transgressors will be told to resign, effective immediately. The egregious ones will die in Leavenworth sometime this century.
>>30413375
Theres not much point caring about espionage in the military when civilian politicians & contractors are feeding info to all comers.
>>30411742
>one city in one state filled with monkey tier niggers has high amounts of lead in the water
Literally nobody cares about Flint faggot
>>30413847
Fact, I will confirm this every day of the week after a dickhead useless GM1 and GMC torpedoed mine and a seamans careers. The GM1 didn't even have a god damn warfare pin after 16 years. At least he got fucking HYT out.
Also all of my Chiefs refused to put me on the list for IA to Afghanistan. They said they don't understand why I want to go so bad and that I shouldn't want to go.
>Faggots made me talk to doc about it
I swear to god I was the last person who joined the military because of 9/11
