Which country undeniably has the best special forces?
Which one does the most illegal/Israeli tier stuff?
JTF2 are definitely contenders. A number of their deployments have been classified, but in addition to being one of the few units qualified to work alongside DEVGRU, there's rumours (not sure if 100% confirmed) that they've operated within Canada as well, dealing with uppity natives and the like.
>>30357920
>Which country undeniably has the best special forces?
Is there such a thing? When it comes to groups like SAS, Seal Team 6, Delta Force, GIGN, GSG9, etc, is there actually one that is the clear-cut "best"? What would the criteria for the title of "one SF to rule them all" be? They're all exceptional, they all have a history of successful missions, once you've made it to that level, you're probably not going to do any better.
Best SF are the ones who do the most training and belong to a country that warmongers, covertly or overtly. You don't gain knowledge without practice.
>>30357920
>most illegal stuff
EU under the pretense of democracy and diversity
Merkel and Rumperroy are evil people
>>30357920
Well....Israel properly.
Gotta admit, they sure most do lots of black ops and fucked up operations for their Zionist masters.
Of course the new world order is going to have the best of all of mankind brainwashed and genetically modified to service their agenda.
Indonesia
>raping, pillaging, killing local populace
>capturing and sinking fishing boats
>capturing dissidents, carrying out extra-judicial execution
>bombing foreign countries
>>30358226
whoses boats are they sinking? got a pair if they're sinking lighter skinned asian boats.
>>30358259
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/appeal-to-jakarta-not-to-blow-up-10-chinese-fishing-boats
>>30358302
cool.
The best special forces are probably the ones we don't know about
>>30358026
No, it's like people who ask who would win in a fight between two historical warrior with no previous contact. It's just a "my favourite SF's are better than your favourite SF's!" shouting match.
>>30358026
>GIGN
GIGN is national police, not SF. French equivalent of the FBI HRT
Estonian SF. You'll never hear about anything they do.
>>30358441
Problaly because they don´t do anything
>>30358026
GSG9 aren't SF.
>>30357920
>Which country undeniably has the best special forces?
Monaco
>But I never heard of Monaco having any SF!
Exactly.
>>30358481
That's exactly what they want you to think.
>>30358441
Delta and SBS
>>30358397
No, you're thinking about the RAID. The GIGN is a part of the French Gendarmerie, which is military.
To simplify, the RAID operates mostly in or near Paris, while the GIGN is able to operate everywhere else, including abroad, where the military status is required.
>>30357920
There's actually no one sf to be all and end all. All sf's are trained to suit the part of the world they belong to. Place in asia like indonesia and malaysia have their sf train for jungle and guerilla warfare, while the americans may concentrate more on urban warfare after iraq.
Most of the stuff is classified anyways.
>>30357920
>Desert DPM
>covered faces with NVGs
>M16A1s
fucking HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNg
>>30358397
GIGN is Gendarmerie, which is part of the army. GIGN can and have already been deployed on foreign soil.
French police equivalent would be the RAID, GIPN and BRI.
Though I agree that they are first a counter-terrorism unit and not pure SF.
Following >>30358026 examples, you would rather be about the 1st RPIMA (heir of the French WW2 SAS units), CPA10 or Commando Marine.
>>30358551
BOPE never fails to make me laugh.
>>30358620
You are likely a neurotypical individual.
>>30358441
>>30358340
>the ones you never hear about
>do absolutely nothing = the best
>JSOC
>Kicking in baghdad doors every night for years
>SAS trying to keep up
>300 operations per month in Afghanistan 2011
>muh tempo
>Show up at local taliban commanders home
>frag his kids
>Syrian border? What's that?
>violated paki sovereignty all of the time
>violate paki sovereignty with stealth helicopters
>crash one because you trained on a mockup with chain link fences instead of walls
>thatswhyibought2.png
>get blown up a few months later because you're pulling so many ops that you have to use rookie helicopter pilots
>get in firefights with local allies because trying to be sneaky
>invented the baseball cap
>invented the beard
>made UCP look okay
>set all SOF fashion/equipment trends
>kardashians of SOF
its not even a contest, guys
>>30357920
1st Biological Warfare Command
>>30358700
>Killing illiterate goatherders
>Violate the airspace of a third world country
>Hipster beards
Impressive
>>30358663
what NVG's are those?
>>30358755
>>Killing illiterate goatherders
oh yeah and JTF2 are out there fighting secret wars against the SAS, is that right?
>>Violate the airspace of a third world country
to kill an old man who was talking shit. let that be a warning.
>>30357960
>(not sure if 100% confirmed) that they've operated within Canada as well, dealing with uppity natives
They were in Caledon dealing with the natives.
It was also caught live on tv too. They were in a black GM van with the back window smashed by an uppity injun, the operator was about to light the chugger up too.
But they were dressed in black, so most people passed em off as local LEO.
Pretty strange seeing how there's like 3 levels of municipal, provincial and federal LEO to handle the situation before any .mil should be deployed. Let alone JTF2
Well given how little is known about the SBS compared to the SAS, I'll assume they're either pretty good or they do fuck all.
>>30358344
European knights kick the shit out of samurai any day of the week
>>30358700
Secrecy is part of their mission.
The one with the most training, best recruiting pool, best gear/support and most experience.
So the US
>>30358887
A while ago during that libya stuff I remember that some SBS rumours on here they were doing surveillance in the cities.
Maybe along with sas? but sbs was mentioned in that one article/thread.
>>30358887
SBS aren't exactly that secretive. You want secretive, you look at the SRR
Can't even find pictures of these fuckers but they're literal spies. That dude who got shot to death on the London underground was stalked by the SRR right up until the cops shot him. There was an SRR guy on the train with him
If spying in your own capital isn't operator, what is?
>>30358939
>Implying
Must be why devgru tookout the old fart instead of cag
>>30358983
Any of the tier one US groups could have done that op. The point is that US groups are on another level from the rwst of thw world because they have a far larger professional military to recruit from, a far larger budget, and have been doing secret squirrel shit all over the place constantly for decades
>>30358980
Well you've got me there, literally who.
Although my personal vote goes to the french because rainbow warrior is endlessly hilarious.
>>30358680
And GCF does operator shit, but since there's Legionnaires in the mix the government won't trust them with top secret shit often
>>30358980
some guy from srr posted here a few years ago.
>>30358793
When was this, I'm over in Barrie and never heard.
>>30358983
socom is run by the navy. of course they're going to use their golden boys.
>>30359111
It was back in 2006 and It was Caledonia. Not Caledon.
My bad, I apologize for the mistake.
>>30357920
>PINK SHEMAGS
>>30358891
plate armor ftw.
>>30359188
No worries, Caledonia does make a bit more sense than Caledon for natives going off.
>>30359073
>rainbow warrior
anon do elaborate.
>>30359245
>http://www.dominionpaper.ca/canadian_news/2006/04/22/is_militar.html
Here's an article about it.
>>30359259
That thing they did with their black op commando lot where they dived into a New Zealand harbour and sunk the greenpeace flagship of the time.
>>30358980
SRR are more than happy to take a back seat to UKSF on anything involving combat. They aren't comparable.
If you want a rough approximation of what they do, read up on 14 Int in Northern Ireland (Ken Connor's book is a good start, and I'm not saying that just because I like him personally - it's probably the only decent book on the SAS) and imagine that sort of thing in modern day conflicts. They have nothing like the fitness, longjevity, role or flexibility of a SAS/SBS unit. They're a one trick pony.
Much is written, and much of that false, about the SAS and SBS (but mostly the former), but prior to 1980 they were basically unknown outside of HM Armed Forces.
>>30359086
I remember that thread and loled at how pissed he got when James Bond was brought up.
>>30359340
Man the troubles must have been a great laugh. Sanctioned drive by shooting and having to do surveillance with a pair of human eyes still.
>>30359302
Thats fucking great, i was expecting some stupid ass rainbow camo pics or some shit, thanks anon.
>>30359385
I can do that too. Allegedly this dispersion camo I have a piece of was made 'at the request of a small group that required a camouflage that worked in the urban environment'. Personally I think arktis are lying, but it;s neat anyway.
>>30359371
I was out of the regular Army by the time the "Troubles" kicked off, but I did some time as a reservist in the 70s. It was a lot more relaxed back then (I believe the interview was a look through the book, a handshake and being issued some kit and told to show up next week). Casual meetings were arranged with certain reservists as to what they thought about the situation in Northern Ireland.
Never did a BANNER but one of the main worries was that after Op Motorman the various republican paramilitaries would attempt to hit key infrastructure points, a threat that only saw a response in the form of the Home Service Force which came around in the early 80s. Even then, it was justified as a defence against Soviet SF.
I'm going off topic here, but I'm reliably informed that the SRR was formed under similar circumstances - there was a problem and many years later someone opened a drawer with all the situations and said "Oh that looks like a good, cheap ideea"
Probably the USMC
>>30357920
Most normalfags haven't even heard of these guys.
>>30357920
Most underrated
>>30357920
KSK is pretty based.
>>30358700
jsoc is a command not a unit you absolute fucking retard
>>30358551
Perfect.
>>30359509
ISA, holy shit Killzone Realized!
>>30357920
>Which country undeniably has the best special forces?
Finland of course.
>>30360206
Different anon here.
Then how about JSOC SOL-C TF-27 faggot.
Do you not realize that JSOC doesn't structure the same as the other militaries and MACOMs?
>>30359448
Dude my ducking eyes, that shit feels weird to look at
>>30359560
Okay what is that one?
>>30358134
>Not making your own genetically engineered super-soldiers
Do you even Vorta?
>>30361084
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/24th_Special_Tactics_Squadron
>>30361131
Yo homes you holding?
I'm jonesing hard for some K White.
>>30361181
Jem'Hadar were badass, though tragic. Obedient only because they were programmed to be, while often realizing the absurdity of it.
"He does not have to earn my loyalty. He has had it, since the moment I was conceived. I am a Jem'Hadar, he is a Vorta. It is the order of things."
"You really want to give up your life for the order of things?!"
"It is not my life to give up Captain.....and it NEVER was."
>>30358226
>Alright guys, all together! 1! 2! 3! WARCRIME!
>>30358120
BREXIT
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>>30358594
are you ok?
>>30359477
Are you the guy who went to Yemen or oman with trailrunning shoes, or who bought jungle boots in hong kong? With your grandson being in the army at the moment?
>>30358980
He wasn't shot by the Metropolitan Police, Jean Charles De Menezes was shot by the SRR. They were armed on UK soil, which is forbidden for the armed forces, unless with the permission of the Home Secretary, they didn't have that permission.
They shot him, then the SRR get banned from carrying weapons in the UK for a period of time because of the incident. The CO19 Constables that got "collared" for it are probably sitting on a large "donation" and new identities on release if not already released.
>>30363446
Sorry, armed in public.
>>30358226
Amoral Southeast Asian operators are my fetish.
>le run grab n bag ops at night in nigger rigged technicals men
>>30358887
there are 4 guys in that photo
>>30358551
Dem danish jaegers
>remembering gorn.jpg always exfiltrates my sides to low orbit
Italian frogmen "combsubin" (modern versin of "X flottoglia mas")
>>30365661
kek
>>30358700
>fucking kek
I had a good chuckle reading that, feeling down so it worked wonders. Thanks anon
>>30357920
Spetznaz
>>30357920
Denmark
>>30358026
GSG9 (GrenzSchutzGruppe 9) is from the borderpolice.
Dont try to boast with your CS 1.6 knowledge.
>>30365559
post pic if you have it pls
Switzerland is the best
>>30359509
>>30358344
This, it basically turns into my favorite SOF > your favorite SOF.
Also a lot of SOF's have different tasks, like how some are specialized in anti-terrorism ops, while other are trained in reconnaissance.
SOF's like Navy Seals, SAS, MJK, etc. All operate with different forces for differen tasks.
Obviously a majority will claim that Navy Seals are the best, since they are in the mainstream media, e.g. American Sniper, Lone Survivor, Zero Dark Thirty, Captain Phillips, etc.
Other will probably use stupid shows like ultimate soldier challenge as sources of who are the best.
Most SOF's are highly functional, if they weren't they'd most likely be disbanded(like TF777).
>>30367605
What book is this?
>>30367797
>>30359448
i need this camo
Turkisk OKK takes 4 years of training (not enlistment) to even make it in. Then there is ongoing training. Also, one of the few special forces that use Trust Shot training
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_Command
> Adequate linguistic skills in at least one foreign language is a plus for admission. The candidates then have to complete a challenging training period which lasts around 120–260 weeks. Many drop out during this intense training period. Training encompasses fitness, obstacle, Martial Arts, close quarters combat (CQC), biological/chemical/nuclear warfare, parachuting, diving, sniping, demolition, counter-terrorism, search and rescue, stealth seek and destroy, reconnaissance and survival. Learning foreign languages is a part of the training. During the training, candidates are pushed by their instructors to their limits, both physically and mentally. Training schedule includes all aspects of a modern-day regular and psychological warfare. 100 kilometer terrain-walking with a 40kg. load is an example of what the candidates have to go through during training.
Turkey faggots
> The Trust Shot (in Turkish "Gūven Atışı") is a part of the MB's training program. It is exercised on the last month of the training and is to ensure that the soldiers can trust each other with their lives. The Trust Shot consists of two members of a squad standing next to paper target boards, while another member fires on the targets with a handgun while walking towards them from 15 meters (49 feet) away. During the exercise the men standing next to the targets are not allowed to move or wear body armor. They are one of the few special operations teams in the world to perform the trust shot.
Israel and Israel.
>>30367886
Anymore recommended books like this
>>30358344
Afghanistan
>>30367902
http://www.manifesto-clothing.co.uk/item/3763/ArkAir/ARK-AIR-B601AA-SMOCK-M65-Dispersion.html
You won't like the price.
>>30368958
It's alright against typical UK brickwork, but personally I think swiss alpenflague is a superior urban camo in the same environment.
>>30358302
Fuck China. They think they can do whatever they like in south Asian waters.
