Non american here so i don't know enough about US gun laws.
How difficult it is for a random citizen to get an Automatic Firearm in murica?
ATF difficult. Have to apply for your transfer, which can take months to complete. Also, costs are ridiculous, expect to pay around 10,000+ for anything not a piece of shit smg.
>>28300417
The general public usually means semi-automatic, which is incredibly easy.
However, "Although both "semi automatic" and "fully automatic" firearms are "automatic" in the technical sense that the firearm automatically cycles between rounds with each trigger pull, the terms "automatic weapon" and "automatic firearm" are conventionally reserved by firearm enthusiasts to describe fully automatic firearms."
So, if you mean a FULLY automatic? This is almost exclusively limited to machine guns, like a Browning M2, which is incredibly expensive, etc.
I dont own one and have not done research
I believe theres a heavy background check. A federal firearms license and then expensive fees.
Then you have to find a transferable auto for no less than 12,000
>>28300417
just be rich. laws don't apply to rich people.
>>28300439
Piece of shit SMG is being unkind. You can have shit loads of fun with a Stemple.
>>28300466
yeah what this guy said, get rich or get fucked.
>>28300417
If you mean an "assault rifle", many of these are semi-automatic, and depending on your state, you could walk in, hand over cash, and walk out in the same purchase with one in your hands.
If you mean "machine gun", then you need to be a rich jew with paperwork. Even still, most people that go on chimp outs and do mass shootings etc do so with a pistol, so it's kinda moot.
>>28300417
Law abiding citizen who wouldn't commit a crime out of anything but absolute necessity or accident? Very hard, very time consuming, and very expensive to do so.
If you're not from the hood where they never enforce laws anyways, have fun getting your dog shot for not paying your seven pounds of flesh.
>>28300489
assault rifles are, by definition, not semi-automatic.
You're thinking of "Assault weapon", which is a made-up anti-gun buzzword.
>>28300417
full auto:must be legal in your state (not legal in NY), pay $200 to ask the ATF if you can have it, wait 6 months, non felon and state legal, go ahead, you can now spend $10,000 for a full auto rifle
semi auto: walk to the local sporting goods/hunting/gun store, fill out form in paper or electronic, pay $250+ for a pistol, $400+ for a long arm, roughly 20min in and out (this is in NY, some states have waiting periods)
>>28300417
Dumb frogposter
>>28300452
You don't need an FFL to own a Machine Gun.
Basically all you have to do is fill out a form four transferring the automatic weapon from the seller to you, pay a 200$ tax stamp, and wait a while. It's easier if you have a gun trust because you can fill online and don't need CLEO approval, which you will more than likely never get.
Pretty sure if you are a member of a trust with an FFL as another trustee you can legally own post 86 dealer samples. I could be wrong though.
>>28300417
It's not so much "difficult" as much as it is "a pain in the ass" and "expensive". Also, certain states don't allow them, but most states do.
If I recall correctly, you have to get ATF approval, a $200 tax stamp, a waiting period, background check, and (this is where people usually run into problems) approval from local authorities.
Also, you cannot buy or sell FA firearms that were made after 1986. You can buy them as a federal firearms dealer, but individuals cannot buy them.
So if you wanted a FA Uzi, you can buy one, because they were made before the 1986 machinegun ban. But if you wanted a FA SCAR, you could not. However, you could have the local authorities give you permission to get one as a "trial gun" if you are a dealer (like a gun store or someone who makes movies).
However, because there are only so many FA firearms made before the ban, all FA firearms are extremely expensive. FA M16s can go for $15,000 to $25,000.
The cheapest FA firearm on the market is the Mac 10/11 which usually go for around $5,000. On top of the other procedures.
It is very easy if you have a clean record.
However, the paperwork takes some time to process, typically around 4-5 months.
The process to obtain a fully automatic weapon is identical to that for a silencer, short barreled rifle or shotgun, or destructive device.
>>28300489
When i mean "Assault rifle" i mean any kind of automatic small arms, such as an MP-40, STG-44, BAR rifle, STEN, AK-47, M-16, etc.
I am not talking of machine guns such as an MG-42.
>>28300530
>a waiting period
There's no waiting period requirement. The wait is just because the ATF is painfully slow about paperwork. They make the DMV look fast.
This is because there's only 12 ATF agents managing all NFA transfers for the entire country. And NFA is more than just MG's. Every single flash-bang your local PD buys, every SBR carbine your local SWAT team has. All of it goes through 12 people.
>>28300417
Financially quite difficult, they are basically toys for the well to do.
Basic barebones rundown is
>See transferable pre 1986 automatic weapon or "machine gun" for sale through private individual or licensed dealer
>Acquire thousands of dollars (ie: $4000 for an Uzi or a Mac 10,and $20,000 plus for something like an M16)
>Fill out transfer paperwork with the ATF to get your tax stamp that includes a $200 tax and (if i remember correctly) a year long background check.
>When tax stamp arrives you get your fun switch gun that is now registered to you from selling party
The financial burden is what keeps the average person from getting machine guns in the USA, because all of the ones that individuals can own and transfer to others through the above process were made before 1986 and therefore rare which drives the price up. Some states don't allow citizens to own these so it's a case by case basis.
>>28300551
Read >>28300517
>>28300551
"Assault rifle" is already well-defined. It's a rifle capable of select fire that fires an intermediate cartridge.
MG42's are not different from BAR's or MP40's as far as the law is concerned.
>>28300517
>ask the ATF if you can have it, wait 6 months
Is it a shall-issue system like the Concealed Carry liscences or it is an may-issue so they can say fuck you and deny it because they want it.
>>28300559
Ah.
>>28300579
Forgot to add the "?"
>>28300579
shall-issue & may-issue
The Chief law enforcement officer can deny a transfer for any reason, but the ATF can not deny it without a reason.
If I order a barrel thats shorter than 16" will the atf kick my door down?
>>28300713
I guess you can ask Randy Weaver.
>>28300713
Only if you have a dog.
>>28300684
>can deny a transfer for any reason
Such as because they don't like your face?
>>28300713
not unless you put it on a rifle and post about it online, tell everybody you know about it and OC it at your local mall.
>>28300551
You're still not specifying full auto or semi auto. Each of the guns you mentioned are machine guns, but have semi auto only variants available
>>28300723
>>28300724
kek
>>28300745
Thanks anon.
>>28300741
yep or your clothes, hair, eyes, that you have a wooden peg leg any reason.
>>28300417
Semi auto
>walk in FFL
>point at gat
>ask to buy it
>do some paperwork
>do a background check
>complete the transaction
>buy ammo
>leave
Full auto
>fucking hard as shit, lots of paperwork, have to buy it from a class 3 (?) FFL and the guns them selves are relatively expensive
>>28300752
>Randy Weaver.
Anything but a heavy machine gun, because hypotetically it would be just too expensive to pay, repair, buy ammunition, etc.
>>28300713
Not if you put it on a pistol
Or if your rifle is properly registered etc as an sbr
>>28300773
I get that you're not from the US, but your understanding of how US law defines firearms is fucked
>>28300773
>>28300797
as well as your your knowledge of the US market. A "heavy machine gun" (military term) can be just as cheap or expensive as any other firearm.
>>28300530
This.
>>28300517
Machine and guns ARE legal in NY, and all 50 states, just not for the average person.
And even in NY there are a good number of MGs owned legally by regular citizens, but they are grandfathered in from decades ago.
Don't believe me? Check the registry broken down by state.
>>28300790
But anon, Im a bear in the woods, who would see it?
>>28300847
Do you have the link to the /k/ map?
>>28300847
>black_helicopter.gif
>>28300857
Nope
>>28300837
ok
I still cant fill out a form and get one myself as a non LEO if it's not grandfathered to me.
>>28300857
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=772301
>>28300997
looks like there are a number of clustered spoopy places.
>>28300417
You have to be rich to afford one, be best of friends with your local police, live in a state that allows citizens to own machine guns and jump through all the ATF hoops.
Or if your a criminal you could just obtain a cheap AR15 and pop out the disconnector.
Pretty sad that criminals only need to make small modifications to semi-auto weapons like that, but we can't legally buy one without all the nonsense. Whatever happened to "Shall not be infringed"?
There's a store about 20 minutes from where I live in Texas that handles all the paperwork for NFA / Title II items, I hear they're pretty good at getting whatever you request, though it takes them a bit and isn't cheap.
>>28300559
I thought it was actually only two guys doing the reviews?
>>28301490
>pop out the disconnector.
lolno
>>28302191
I was being spiteful more than serious.
http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/rifles/full-auto
>>28300997
That's clapistania-centric shitmap. Where's the proper version?
>>28300997
So turns out I'm surrounded by /k/ommandos.
>>28300510
>assault rifles are, by definition, not semi-automatic.
Assault rifles are, by definition, select fire. Meaning they are both fully- and semi-automatic. If an assault rifle was "not semi-automatic" it would be a light machine gun.
