This is the yamato class.
It is a battleship.
It is very big.
Big enough to fuck your shit.
>>30355157
It is a hotel.
>>30355157
Is that a FAMAS?
yes but what if it could fly
>>30355157
The Yamato is about a mile long, right?
sup
>>30355157
sup
sure is summer in here
>>30355214
Sup
>>30355157
Yamato couldn't hit anything. Yamato is sad.
>>30355195
Jesus. How lazy are you? Google would have told you it's only 862ft.
Its happening.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/07/28/national/history/ldp-lawmakers-aim-raise-battleship-yamato-wreckage/#.V2lg6aLsHIU
>On 16 June 2016, a group of Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers began meetings to study the feasibility of raising the ship from the ocean floor and recovering the remains of crewmembers entombed in the wreckage. The group said that it plans to request government funds to research the technical feasibility of recovering the ship.
>>30355781
>you will never recover Eugen-chan and remove the shame of exposing her butt for centuries
>>30355781
>On 16 June 2016, a group of Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers began meetings to study the feasibility of raising the ship from the ocean floor and recovering the remains of crewmembers entombed in the wreckage. The group said that it plans to request government funds to research the technical feasibility of recovering the ship.
It's blown in half in over 1,000ft of water. The stern section is upside down. Raising even just the upright bow section would take a massive portion of Japanese GDP to accomplish. In many ways, raising the Titanic would be technically easier (assuming similar condition of structural degradation, which is not the case) in spite of the Titanic being 11,000ft deeper. Raising and decontaminating any number of wrecks from the Crossroads Baker shot would be far less expensive.
This is a complete non-starter. Someone's trying to dickwave for political capital.
>>30355157
>Big enough to fuck your shit.
My shit isn't on the bottom of the ocean, so I feel pretty safe.
>>30355781
Based Abe strikes again
>>30355157
Can you imagine a modern day Yamato?
>each main cannon is a harpoon tube
>each of secondary cannons are railguns
>big AAs guns are SAMs
>each medium AA canon is an oto melara
>each small AA gun is a CIWs
>can launch a F-35
>>30356014
Same firepower as 4 cruisers but uses 50 times the fuel and goes 10 knots slower.
Would still be cool.
>>30356014
>yfw breakthroughs in railgun technologies begin to outphase missile interception technology
>the age of the battleship comes back
>>30356119
>Same firepower as 4 cruisers
Not even. The only advantage over a VLS Burke or Tico would be the ability to reload AShM and SAM munitions at the cost of much, much lower rate of fire. For 7 times the displacement and nearly ten times the crew compliment. Just not worth even considering.
>>30356014
>nailed by a sub or missile spam before it accomplishes anything whatsoever
>>30356164
This. All eggs in one basket is a stupid shipbuilding strategy. There is no military in the world which would be happy having one of these >>30356014 instead of the equivalent 5-7 Burkes.
>>30356164
Except for that a ship this size would be escorted by something like 20 destroyers and it would have enough defenses to intercept all harpoon missiles in the world at the same time.
On >>30356014 I can count 40 triple 8 guns so according to the logic that's 40 CIWs do you have any idea how much brrrrrrrrrrrt 40 CIWs can make?
>>30356160
>just not worth even considering
Have you not heard of the Rule of Cool, me bru?
>>30355157
>Got South China Sea'ed
>>30356014
>3x3 railguns
>3x2 harpoon tubes
>6 SAM launchers
>14 dual oto melaras
>26 CIWs
I approve.
>>30356198
>Except for that a ship this size would be escorted by something like 20 destroyers and it would have enough defenses to intercept all harpoon missiles in the world at the same time.
Why the fuck would you want to escort a vessel which is only really useful as an escort with 5 times the resources required to escort a Nimitz class carrier? This is just stupid. The ship fulfills no mission requirements that its escorts cannot, and only sucks up SSNs, destroyers and cruisers for escorts which could be escorting carriers, ESGs, supply convoys and performing detached missions solo or as SAGs.
It's the same reason Iowa class BBs were quietly retired after Desert Storm. Their one and only utility in the entire conflict was as a shore bombardment decoy for the strategic deception of a Marine landing, something that modern strike fighters can perform at far less risk and far greater range and accuracy.
>>30356205
>Have you not heard of the Rule of Cool, me bru?
Yeah. It's cute. But it has as much place in a discussion of military procurement as an argument over whether Legolas or Gimli would win in a one on one fight.
>>30355685
I'm pretty sure it's a mile long.
>>30356554
The current longest ship in the world is less than 1/3 of a mile long. And Yamato was a hair over half as long.
Pull your dick out of your onahole and minimize your kancolle porn long enough to rub two brain cells together.
>>30355157
I Would praise it more, but problem is... her AA capability is mediocre as average Kongou-Class.
>>30356592
There were USN light cruisers in 1944 with more AAA throw weight per minute and far better radar directed/remote powered mounts. Yamato's AAA wasn't mediocre, it was shameful.
>>30356592
>>30356613
Total AA throw weight per minute:
>Yamato, post refit - 19,784lbs/min
>Iowa - 48,992lbs/min
Even the Bismark had more AA throw weight. Only the Vittorio Veneto class BBs had worse AA protection in WWII. And let's not even get into how inadequate her AAA mount calibres were: she had no 40mm equivalent. None.
>>30356649
>Iowa - 48,992lbs/min
Just... Fuck.
>>30356741
Yup. The comparison gets even worse when you apply the cube root AAA throw weight effectiveness metric and then weight for things like radar FC, remote power control mounts and VT fuzing. A conservative estimate puts USN ships at almost 6 times more effective ton for ton in AAA protection compared to their IJN counterparts by mid 1944.
>>30356741
>>30356780
Remember that the entire fleet in Operation Ten-Go only managed to down 10 of the attacking US planes. Ten. For the largest BB ever built, a CL and 8 DDs. Out of 386 attacking aircraft.
>>30356649
>>30356741
>>30356780
And let's not forget the general and significant effective range advantage for USN light AAA and heavy DP mounts. The Japanese worried far more about barrel wear on their larger guns. When you then factor in their lower grade metallurgy and ore access, you get significant muzzle velocity drop. For instance, a comparison of the 5" class DP mounts (100m/s muzzle velocity difference) gives the USN 5"/38 17,575 yards effective range against the 16,185 yards range of the Type 89 (with about half the rate of fire on the Japanese mount, too).
>>30356741
What can we say? We were slapping guns on every possible surface of our ships.
Anyone ever look at the lineup for Task Force 54 that was to intercept Yamato in lieu of airstrikes? Here's the main batteries of the Battleships and Cruisers alone.
22 16inch
36 14 inch
37 8 inch
36 6 inch
Every US ship had miles better Search and FC radar and the Yamato would have made it to the Okinawa area during the night.
>>30357048
Would have been a slaughter. But it's hard to argue against the loss of only ten planes and 12 aircrew total to sink the Yamato, a CL and 5 or so DDs (forget exactly). Even if it would have been a face raping as a surface action, unless there was also light rain, heavy cloud cover or no moon I have a hard time believing it would have gone as smoothly as Surigao Strait. It's possible, but I have to believe there would have been more than 12 casualties.
>>30356942
>Kamikazes make round-eye do strange things
>>30357156
>getting protection levels against the primary surface warship threat in WWII from laughable to somewhat adequate
>strange things
ok
>>30357124
Weather for Okinawa during that week was cloudy and intermittent rain. IIRC TF 54 also had 20 Destroyers. There were also 4-5 older Battleships off the beaches that were emergency backups
>>30355175
DELET THIS
>>30357244
I understand. However, considering manning density on WWII ships, I doubt it would take more than one single hit from the 18.1" guns to top 12 casualties. I'm simply pointing out that the air raid was probably the most risk-averse and effective way of putting those ships on the bottom, even assuming perfect conditions for a USN-advantage surface action.
>>30357285
I agree with you.
I'm just posting info to give the Yamato worshippers something to think about. That ship was doomed the moment it raised anchor.
>>30357358
>That ship was doomed the moment it raised anchor.
No doubt there. I don't think anyone on the home islands had any hope that Ten-Go would actually sink more than a small handful of USN vessels. Are there Japanese folks that actually believe the task force had a chance at survival?
>>30357397
>Are there Japanese folks that actually believe the task force had a chance at survival?
I've seen a few translations that mentioned Yamato surviving to shoot up the beach heads, but those were obvious fanatics. Pretty much everyone agrees it was purely a suicide mission.
>>30357397
It was a suicide mission from the start. A lot of flammable stuff was removed from the ships and Yamato was told to only take enough fuel to get to Okinawa (Although the book 'A Glorious Way To Die' says the fuel depot manager gave her enough to return to Japan).
While the Navy high command and Yamato's crew knew the ship would, and wanted it to, go down in battle, there were some that had hope. Other sailors aboard the escort ships wanted to survive, and actually peeled off to pick up survivors or flee back to Japan once the Yamato went down.
For a "last hurrah", it was pretty abysmal and an undebatable waste of life.
>>30357461
That was the goal of Ten-Go. Get the Yamato to Okinawa, run her aground, and use her guns to shell the Americans while other parts of her crew joined the defenders on the ground.
At best the Japanese may have gotten closer to Okinawa (If they weren't spotted by an American sub or floatplane) but regardless they still would have popped up on radar long before reaching the island and then been hit with the same air attack and/or battleship force.
>>30357198
that was the joke, yes
>>30357156
You notice that they almost never got near the main carrier fleet.
Hell, at the Battle of the Philippine Sea the only US ship to even be hit was the South Dakota, and that was a pretty minor hit.
>>30356014
>implying that modern 460mm guns with modern FCS wouldn't be good enough.
>>30357737
Plenty of carriers got hit by kamikazes, they just never got sunk because Enterprise and the Essex-class carriers were some tough sons of bitches.
Also, the Kamikaze wasn't even used during Philippine Sea.
>>30357737
More dakka is always best dakka
>>30356554
Oh, much more than that. It's Japanese steel that's been folded over 1000 times, so it's closer to 7 miles long if you straighten it out.
>>30355157
In retrospect, they should have used the hull for an aircraft carrier instead. It wouldn't have made much difference overall but it might have actually made a (small) impact.
>>30356145
wwIII will be a blast!
>>30357991
They did that with the third Yamato class ship Shinano. It didn't end well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Shinano
She was carrying a bunch of Ohka suicide rockets, didn't have proper damage control equipment, and she got torped by a US sub.
>>30358180
>didn't have proper damage control
Thats like...every IJN ship ever
>>30358688
guess they institutionalized this lesson? All the stuff I see about the ground forces at least are for damage control of earthquakes, tsunamis, and other shit.
>>30358718
yeah, they got their shit down these days, i'll give them that.
>>30355781
i dunno how that's gonna work. i mean its not a fishing boat we are talking about here...
>>30355195
Iowa is longer. Yamato is fatter.
>>30358775
Its the land of anime, hentai and a bunch of other strange shit, so i dont see something like "practicality" standing in the way here
>>30358718
Flooding on one side?
Counterflood.
Flooding on both sides?
Counterflood.
Ship is going down if you don't stop flooding everything?
Engage pumps that have no chance of saving the ship now.
>>30358180
She was sunk 10 days after she was commissioned. The yard had not completed her. Pipes and wiring runs thru watertight bulkheads were not sealed. When she took on water the partial install of pumps were not able to keep up and the water slowly filled adjacent compartments. Crew drowned in slowly filling compartments knowing full well they could not escape and knowing what was going to happen. Counter flooding to keep the ship from capsizing delayed her sinking but ultimately doomed her.
A sad story
A few facts about the Shinano
Displacement: 69,151 metric tons (68,059 long tons)
Length: 265.8 m (872 ft 2 in)
Beam: 36.3 m (119 ft 1 in)
Draught: 10.3 m (33 ft 10 in)
Crew: 2,400
Over 1400 were lost when she sank.
>>30355157
>Big enough to fuck your shit.
The Titanic's sister ship sunk more hostile vessels than the Yamato.
Let that sink in.
>>30359164
Shokaku went down because of a sub too. Rather sad all told. At least when Yorktown went down it had the excuse that it was a wreck in the process of being salvaged.
>>30359263
There is a documented account of a Kaigun-chūi (Lt JG) in charge of a damage repair party being trapped in a compartment slowly filling with water. He was in voice communication with the bridge till the water was within inches of the overhead of the compartment they were trapped in. He told the bridge this was his last report at the end. He and his repair party never made it out.
Not a good end IMHO.
>>30359240
>what? the sister ship was a hospital ship
>they were TRIPLETS?
>Olympic was made into a troop transport
>sunk a U-boat by going full titanic on its conning tower
kek
I want to kill (sexually) Kaga.
Sorry I accidentally your super weapon
>>30358688
Threadly reminder that IJN damage control meme is a meme. Taiho was structurally flawed, and so were all of the treaty carriers. The two carriers that were correctly built, Shokaku and Zuikaku, survived multiple bomb hits just fine. Maybe it's not the damage control after all?
>>30359472
The Olympic was one tough ship. She was the oldest (And technically least advanced) and yet she was the only one of the three in her class to survive a full career.
Olympic was involved in collision with three ships (The most severe being with the Cruiser HMS Hawke) plus the U-bot she sunk.
>>30359552
>Maybe it's not the damage control after all?
Sure. Let's just ignore the three years worth of USN investigation and interviews with IJN personnel. Let's just ignore the hundreds of separate eyewitness accounts. Let's go ahead and pretend that HIJN was totally on par with the USN in training and equipment.
What the fuck, man.
>>30359552
When your damage control is based around the idea "Pump more water into the sinking ship", you deserve to be mocked. I understand counter-flooding, but the Japanese relied on it way too much and that extended beyond their carriers. Even when Yamato was sinking there was some unknown number of men killed by ordering flooding of compartments/ purposely running into torpedoes.
>>30359552
The simple fact that the Japanese had horrifically bad damage control, in procedure, ship design and equipment, is one of the least contested historical facts of WWII. If you can provide one single peer reviewed paper suggesting they had even adequate damage control I'll cut my own dick off and eat it in a hot dog bun with sauerkraut.
What are you on about?
>>30359593
Sure, let's just ignore the fact that all treaty carriers were flimsy as fuck, no matter which navy operated them and which country made them.
>>30359618
Feel free to post source for all those peer-reviewed papers that you talk about and also provide a summary of how they account for the 5th Carrier Division's sturdiness.
>>30359552
The same Shokaku that went under from a trio of American torpedoes, you mean? Yeah, great damage control on that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoP62Emv5xk
>>30359849
>avenger
>dive bomber
>plane showed is a P-47
i swear i'm not autistic
>>30355182
it's Tavor
>>30359682
>5th Carrier Division's sturdiness.
Sure, if you call carriers that only took as much punishment as USN carriers were designed and expected to take before going down exceptionally "sturdy". You can't build a case for "good" Japanese damage control for the entire fucking navy on two carriers. That's retarded. One properly built ship class does not a navy make. Also:
>Shokaku: three torps, one bomb, sunk
>Zuikaku: seven torps, nine bombs, all very quick progression. No one claims it took that much to sink her.
>Meanwhile on the Yorktown, basically a treaty design (Shokaku was launched three years later): took three bomb hits at Midway. Less than two hours later, it was making 20 knots, resuming flight ops and starting to refuel again with the fires under control. It took another two torpedoes half an hour later, one of which was a very lucky shot, to mortally wound her. And she STILL remained afloat for the next 24 hours. It took ANOTHER two torpedoes to finally put her on the bottom.
And this is all completely ignoring the fact that DC was abysmal in Japanese destroyers, cruisers and battleships across the board. There are only one or two distinct examples of massive damage absorption, and even those are questionable (see: Musashi).
>>30359650
>treaty carriers
This somehow implies that aircraft carriers made during the treaty years were really that limited in displacement or design.
Proptip, they weren't. The largest and heaviest aircraft carriers ever made up until the Midways rolled out in 1945 were the Lexingtons, which came in 1929-30. There were general displacement limitations in terms of how many tons of CV you could make in a certain time span, but the individual carriers themselves weren't really effected by that. Only Wasp was ever really effected by the limitations, and that was more the USN going "hey, what can we make with these spare 15k tons of CV we have leftover for this year".
Late 1930's and 1940's carriers just generally stuck around 25,000-35,000 tons because that's about how big a carrier was seen as needing to be. They could still carry an air-group between 70-90 planes, and make speeds of over 30 knots.
>>30355157
>was
>>30359951
>>30359952
Oh, and the Lexington, at the Solomons. Clearly a treaty carrier. Wanna guess how much punishment she took on May 8th?
>11:20, two torps, one of which ruptured the primary port water main and an undetected slow leak in the port avgas tanks
>minutes later, two bombs, one blew an entire 5" ready locker full of ammo, the other did little damage aside from jamming the ship's siren to "on", making communication across the ship difficult
>resumed aircraft recovery at 11:39 (only 20 fucking minutes later), and was launching CAP aircraft at 12:43.
>at 12:47 a massive explosion occurred due to vapors from the ruptured port avgas tank, equivalent to several aerial bombs
>STILL performing flight ops - 9 Dauntlesses launched, 6 Wildcats recovered
>ANOTHER large explosion at 14:42, which knocked out power to the forward half of the ship, flight ops cease
>yet ANOTHER large explosion at 15:25, which knocked out water pressure to the other primary water main feeding DC water to the hangar deck
>chain reaction from here with out of control fires and no DC water mains left to fight them with. Sunk at 19:52 by the destroyer Phelps with 5 torpedoes after 2,735 crew were evacuated. Only 216 killed.
It took 9 hours, two bombs, two torps, one half of the primary water mains going down and an undetected avgas leak and two massive internal explosions to even halt flight ops. And you're trying to tell us treaty carriers were all "flimsy as fuck"?
You're a fucking idiot.
>>30359552
>Letting your ship blow up by ignoring the fumes isn't shitty damage control.
>It took 3 torpedos to sink Shoukaku
Weaboo get out.
>>30356145
awwwwwwwwww fffffuck yeahhhhh
Do railguns make a big enough boom though?
>>30360078
Lexington was a good girl.
>>30359650
>Treaty carriers were flimsy as fuck.
Explain to me the Yorktown-class. All 3 of those carriers took punishment like no other.
>>30360078
Are you seriously using the Lexington, a CV that was BTFO by 2 torps and 2 bombs, as your example of a treaty carrier that wasn't flimsy? Why don't you just post USA NUMBAH WAN and a picture of a bold eagle and be done with it? That'd be just as convincing, if not more.
>>30360152
And the Lexington
And the Saratoga
>>30360152
>All 3 of those carriers took punishment like no other.
Not sure if serious. Do you even know what happened to 2 of those 3 carriers?
>>30360161
He just read >>30360078
and posted
>Are you seriously using the Lexington, a CV that was BTFO by 2 torps and 2 bombs,
Wow.
Confirmed for not having the first fucking clue about naval combat in general, damage control or WWII naval combat.
Have you ever even SEEN the ocean?
Tell you what. You find me a single Japanese carrier in the ENTIRE WAR that restarted flight ops within 20 minutes of receiving 2 torps and 2 bombs, and continued them through another 2 major explosions. Don't worry, I'll wait. If you can find one that did this with a primary water main ruptured and a main avgas leak and explosion, you'll win the internet forever.
>>30360161
Lexington's hull was over 20 years old and built from a converted battle-cruiser that was laid down in 19 fucking 21, yet she STILL took more punishment to sink than the most modern Japanese aircraft carriers.
>>30360187
One got disabled and took over 500 5 inch shells and 19 torpedoes before it finally went under after the US decided to scuttle it and the other was "killed" 3 times before it actually went under.
>>30360208
Not sure what your point is. USN damage control was great, so what? Treaty carriers were all garbage and the Lexington was BTFO no matter how good the US damage control was. That's after taking 2 torps and 2 bombs, or not much at all. Especially considering how puny Jap bombs were.
>>30355781
>raising a fucked up battle ship from the ocean floor 70 years later
one can dream senpai, one can dream
>>30360161
Try another treaty carrier:
USS Saratoga, Feb. 21, 1945:
>six Japanese planes scored five bomb hits on the carrier in three minutes; three of the aircraft also struck the carrier. Saratoga's flight deck forward was wrecked, her starboard side was holed twice and large fires were started in her hangar deck; she lost 123 of her crew dead or missing as well as 192 wounded. Thirty-six of her aircraft were destroyed. Another attack two hours later further damaged her flight deck.[107] Slightly over an hour later, the fires were under control, and Saratoga was able to recover six fighters; she arrived at Bremerton on 16 March for permanent repairs.
FIVE BOMBS
THREE FUCKING ENTIRE AIRCRAFT
ON A LOADED FLIGHT DECK
And three hours later she'd resumed flight ops and steamed under her own power back across the Pacific for repairs. Fucking flimsy my pasty Scottish ass.
Maybe you should tell the class what happened to the Akagi with only ONE bomb and a loaded flight deck.
>>30360187
I am aware of the fates of Yorktown and Hornet, but that doesn't change the fact that they were far from flimsy in that it took so much to sink them.
Yorktown got battered at Coral Sea and was able to come off from it. Then again she got battered at Midway from 2 air strikes and even then that didn't take her down. It took a salvo of torpedos from a sub to take her down.
And Hornet, oh boy, she took so much punishment at Santa Cruz. Even when the USN was trying to scuttle her, the Hornet wouldn't go down and the IJN had to come and finish the job when they found the Hornet.
>>30356014
>>30360248
It looks like it'd cost more to raise that hunk of scrap than it'd cost to just make a reproduction.
>>30360241
>One got disabled and took over 500 5 inch shells and 19 torpedoes before it finally went under
And it took those 500 shells and 19 torps AFTER it was dead in the water.
Kaga was floating for 7 hours too, and the Bismarck floated for many hours. So what?
>the other was "killed" 3 times before it actually went under
In other words sunk like a bitch by a tiny strike force scraped up from the remains of the KB that landed a measly 2 bombs and 2 torp hits.
>>30360245
>Treaty carriers were all garbage
Still fucking saying this shit in spite of ample evidence here >>30359951
here >>30360078
and here >>30360252
to the direct contrary.
Meanwhile, Japanese carriers like the Akagi turn into Viking funeral ships with one goddamn bomb. What a fucking dumbass.
>>30356275
yeah but it looks fucking cool
>>30360263
>Yorktown got battered at Coral Sea and was able to come off from it.
"Battered" as in got hit by exactly one bomb. Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>30360290
>Wow, it's fucking nothing.
Tell that to Akagi.
>>30359951
So 7 torps and 9 bombs = not much but Yorktown taking 1 x 250 kg bomb is "battered." With this kind of double standard, what is even the point of trying to "compare"? We know who's going to win in your minds.
This just in. USboos are literally the worst, most deluded faggots on /k/. Weeaboos, chinkboos, slavaboos, or wehrboos can't even compete.
>>30360304
Except those torps and bombs were in quick succession by the massive air strike that the 3rd fleet sent after her. Who knows how much it actually took before she was actually dead in the water.
>>30360187
Hornet took 3 bombs, three torpedoes and 2 planes crashing into it, and didn't even sink until the night after she was abandoned.
Yorktown took 4 bombs and 4 torpedoes, and was still almost saved if it hadn't been for underwater damage caused by a destroyer next to her exploding.
>>30360245
>Treaty carriers were all garbage
Daily reminder that the Saratoga survived and three hours later resumed flight ops after taking 5 bombs and three entire planes, then returned home under her own power. 8 total hits. Wanna guess how many hits it took to sink Soryu, Akagi and Kaga at Midway? 8 or 9 total hits FOR ALL THREE.
Where is your god now, weeaboo?
>>30360295
Kek
>>30360273
No, Yorktown went down from a submarine's torpedo hits, and 12 hours later at that. The salvage team still figured it could have been saved since those hits corrected the list for a little while, but the presence of a sub made further efforts too dangerous.
Kaga took most of her crew with her when she went up in smoke, Hornet evacuated most her her crew and airplanes and would have been salvaged had they not decided to scuttle it. Bismarck...went under shortly after King George V got done shelling it and a destroyer put it out of its misery.
>>30360317
>>30360304
>>30360290
>>30360273
>>30360245
>>30360187
>>30359682
>>30359650
>>30359552
Reminder that this is all the same person.
>>30360337
Reminder that Vals used 250kg bombs and planes suiciding after expending its bombs and most of its fuel doesn't cause much damage at all.
Reminder that SBDs used 1000 lb bombs.
It's almost like bigger bombs do more damage?
Fucking physics.
>>30360392
Reminder that all USboos in this thread are actually gook subhumans. Get another hobby besides hating on Japan, why don't you?
>>30360393
Akagi also had an armored deck, which did exactly fuck all to stop that bomb, as opposed to the wooden deck of Saratoga, which also did fuck all.
Also, I didn't realize that five 250 kilogram bombs (550 pounds) was less than a single 1000 pounder.
>>30360488
I will as soon as they stop shilling their terrible ships that were sunk in a war they lost horribly.
>>30360393
The bombs would have to be three times as large for that to work out in an equivalent manner. Care to guess how large the US aerial bombs at Midway were? Oh. Right. 500lbs, not 1000, you fucking retard. And some of those hits were only 100lbs bombs. Did you bother to read ANYTHING about this subject before trying to stick your uneducated dick in all our ears?
>I saw [my] 500-pound bomb hit right abreast of the [carrier's] island. The two 100-pound bombs struck in the forward area of the parked planes
>>30360488
Maybe Japan shouldn't have had such a horrible navy then and weaboos like you shouldn't shill for them.
>>30360393
How does this in any way change the fact that not only was Japanese DC on Soryu, Kaga and Akagi unable to control the fires at Midway, but in fact Soryu and Kaga were AFLAME FROM BOW TO STERN IN LESS THAN 6 MINUTES. 6 fucking minutes. Meanwhile USN carriers are returning to flight ops less than 20 minutes after equivalent attacks.
How does someone this completely ignorant of the subject matter get to a place where they feel the need to comment upon it?
>>30360507
Is this a map of Japanese Imperial Navy Shipwrecks? Neato.
>>30360511
He probably pulled up the Wikipedia page on the SBD, saw that it COULD carry a 1,000 lb bomb (without checking to see if they actually were in 1942) and then came here to shitpost.
>>30360511
Dude, chill. The IJN carriers at Midway sank easier because they had poor firefighting equipment and the crews were in a hurry to rearm the planes and didn't follow proper safety precautions with the ordinance they were swapping out. 100lbs, 500lbs, 250kg, or 1000lbs, if it lands and detonates in a pile of other bombs there won't be much difference in the end result.
>>30360187
They sunk, but not easily.
Yorktown took
> 3 bomb hits
> Under steam @ 20 knots 2 hours later. Flight operations resumed
> 2 torp hits, now dead in the water and listing
> Floats overnight with 2 torpedo holes, most of the fires burn themselves out
> re-boarded in the morning and damage control starts correcting the list
> Finally hit by another 2 torpedos and abandoned. Floats overnight and sinks next morning.
> Yorktown took 2 days to sink with 4 torpedo holes.
Hornet
> Hit by 3 bombs, 2 torps, and 1 kamikaze
> Dead in the water, under tow
> hit by another torp, abandoned
> "Scuttled" by 5 functional 21 inch torpedoes + 300+ 5 inch rounds
> floats through the night
> Finally scuttled by 4 Type 93's later that night
American Carriers were absurdly tough ships.
>>30360634
>if it lands and detonates in a pile of other bombs there won't be much difference in the end result.
Then explain how the Saratoga survived.
Why are you idiots trying to seriously argue with a retard claiming that a navy which couldn't even be fucked to design redundant water mains into his ships had proper damage control?
>>30360645
Wait i thought yorktown was a museum ship in charleston
>>30360602
It's fun to use to piss off Kancolle fags.
>>30360645
Hornet got hit by two planes, the first one may have been unintentional, so sometimes it isn't listed.
>>30360663
That's CV-10, the Essex Class named after CV-5, which was a Yorktown Class Carrier that sank at midway.
Mind you ,CV-10 herself also took a healthy amount of hits and shrugged it off.
>>30360634
>100lbs, 500lbs, 250kg, or 1000lbs, if it lands and detonates in a pile of other bombs there won't be much difference in the end result.
Apparently it fucking does if you're American.
>>30360634
>if it lands and detonates in a pile of other bombs there won't be much difference in the end result.
Lexington took a direct hit to an entire 5" ammo locker, which then exploded. Caused only minor ancillary damage. Saratoga took 5 bombs and 3 entire planes on a loaded flight deck. Survived. At least two USN cruisers had their entire bows shot off by torpedoes or magazine explosions. Survived.
Point is, if your ship is designed well, you should have a good chance of surviving such damage, or at least delaying/controlling the resultant fires.
>>30359916
I noticed that too, but it's actually a decent movie. The love story's kind of bland, but the camaraderie is nice and the sets are awesome.
>>30360667
Good god they are the worst. Like Boat-Bronies. Except worse because they bring their shit memes into actual conversations about historical events.
I go out of my way to sink them in World of Warships.
>>30359650
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>>30355157
Was the Yamato actually a good battleship?
>>30360719
Another great fucking example
>>30360705
>I go out of my way to sink them in World of Warships
yes, this. it pisses me of soo much. those ARP whatever ships. its like turning up to a reenactment, and insted of getting there with your 2 1/2 ton truck you get there in a lowered honda civic with massive exhaust and a fucking neon.
why are they even there
>>30360756
I mean, I can almost twist my mind enough to maybe almost see where furries are coming from. I grew up with Disney Robin Hood. If I'm really, really drunk, I get it a little. But fucking botefags? All my nope.
>>30360756
You know you can just disable them by switching ports, right?
They just look like normal ships if you don't use the anime port.
>>30360705
>>30360774
t. Wave
You gonna cry to the mods in IRC again?
>>30360756
Hahaha, you're playing World of Warships, a game that is already incredibly inaccurate, and you're getting pissed off by the Arpeggio ships? Bitch please, grow up and stop crying about something that simple.
>>30360730
Long answer, short: We don't know.
It's clear her armor and honeycomb design held up decently since she took a beating before going down. But what's left undetermined is how her main guns and directors would have worked.
I think it's safe to say that in nearly every category, minus sheer armor and compartmentalization, the Iowa class was better.
>>30360730
No, if the Americans were manning it yes.
IJN doctrine was bad, people who tried to reform it like ADM Yamamoto were shut out (even given his war record)
>>30355157
An A-10 with no weapons besides gun vs Yamato who wins?
>>30360756
There's some event going on where you can unlock them, so that's why there's so many. I got one of the Kongo class, but don't use it. The skin is hideous and I don't play Jab BBs.
>>30360774
sorry, no. i hate Furries so much. i hate them with every fiber of my being, i hate them more than fucking anything on this world.
Why you might ask? because i have TWO of the fuckers on my graduation photo. Happiest day so far, everyone had dressed up as nicely as possible, and i have TWO FUCKING DOGS in the picture. they wont wear normal clothes, because "this is who i am, and you don't dress like that normally either". And of fucking course rest of us couldn't do anything about it because muh discrimination. i fucking hate this country
>>30360786
anime port? what am i missing?
>>30360730
Read this for a pretty good and detailed summation of all WWII BBs. Make sure to check the subpages in each section. It'll give you a good starting point for evaluating it.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm
>>30360803
Her main guns were sub-optimal as their firing software wasn't as good as, say, the Iowas. She had a harder time hitting something, but it would know it was hit.
>>30360833
>Why you might ask? because i have TWO of the fuckers on my graduation photo. Happiest day so far, everyone had dressed up as nicely as possible, and i have TWO FUCKING DOGS in the picture. they wont wear normal clothes, because "this is who i am, and you don't dress like that normally either". And of fucking course rest of us couldn't do anything about it because muh discrimination. i fucking hate this country
Jesus fuck. My high school principal would have used the two of them for a chew toy and then shit in both their mouths. I'm so glad no one did that shit at my college graduation.
>>30360786
>>30360796
Get your fucking autism out of /k/ you arcade shitters. Talk about actual ship history, not Belarussian goying.
>>30360862
welcome to sweden. please send the nukes
>>30360841
Well this is pretty general but if I'm reading it right, it says that the Yamato was very good in most categories but very bad as far as anti-aircraft abilities were concerned.
>>30360882
I'm... so sorry anon. I'm so, so sorry.
I loved your country when I visited. It was gorgeous. I'm glad I didn't find the darkness while I was there.
>>30360927
More or less true, but also pay attention to the notes on fire control and remote powered mounts in the primary, secondary and AAA armament sections. USN FC was lightyears ahead of IJN FC by late 1943.
>>30360667
It probably doesn't do that. Plenty of game lines already reference how the actual ship was sunk, or are jokes about other things during the service of the real ship, like Katsuragi insisting that she is an Aircraft Carrier and not a floating AA gun platform, or Yamato not wanting to be called a Hotel.
>>30360976
it does, the map of sunken waifus triggers mass denial/anti-American rageposting in every Kancolle thread it gets posted to.
>>30361015
Most people really don't care.
>>30360928
jokes aside, its not as bad as /pol/ makes it out to be. somalians or ragheads or whatever isnt the issue. the SJWs, however, are.
>>30361032
You guys just need the Nazis or something to invade Norway again so you can go full saboteur fuck your face on an external enemy. Seriously. Get out there, blow off some steam, turn some people into red mist. It'll do wonders for all that internal tension.
>>30360833
Yokosuka doesn't look like that in real life, silly-billy. Choose any other port and you will see the ARP ships as their historical counterparts, though any ARP ships you own won't be available to you to use.
>>30360807
Stalemate. Cannon would never penetrate the armor, and the AA on the Yamato couldn't hope to hit the A-10.
>>30360937
Here's an example of one of the older American BBs in action.
"At 03:16, West Virginia's radar picked up the surviving ships of Nishimura's force at a range of 42,000 yd (38,000 m) and had achieved a firing solution at 30,000 yd (27,000 m). West Virginia tracked them as they approached in the pitch black night. At 03:53, she fired the eight 16 in (410 mm) guns of her main battery at a range of 22,800 yd (20,800 m), striking Yamashiro with her first salvo."
>>30358180
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Shinano
Jesus, the Japs were out-fucking-classed by the round-eyes, it ain't funny.
>>30360846
Software?
Pretty sure any computation was mechanical.. anon.
>>30355260
>>30359508
The sun set for sunrise land, their suicide mission super weapon couldn't fend us off.
>>30361080
Yeah, the Russo-Japanese war really boosted their self-confidence, made them think they could start punching way above their weight (and even then the land campaign in that was far more evenly matched than the sea one).
>>30360796
Anyone who plays a WG title is someone you're obsessed with?
>>30359164
Why couldn't they escape?
>>30361337
Because while they were busy dogged into their compartments working away during the battle, the DC officer had counterflooded half the ship full of fucking water and completely blocked them in or cut off access to upper decks.
>>30361183
TO be fair right, america is fuckhueg and japan is a bunch of islands.
>>30361080
I've been reading the book Sea of Thunder and it's really amazing how some of the Japanese thought.
A lot of the Japanese Admirals, minus Yamamoto and others who sided with him, were in outright denial about them having any weakness. They believed radar was a gimmick and that the Japanese could see better at night than inferior Westerners, that the British and Americans would beg for peace after the opening attacks in the war, that Americans were weak and were too obsessed with material wealth to fight, and that the Yamato and Musashi would be the end-all weapons in the Pacific.
As >>30361203 said, the Japanese victory at Tsushima really warped their views on naval warfare for period up (and into) WW2. It convinced many of them that THE way to win was to force a decisive battle and destroy the enemy fleet. But whenever the IJN tried to force such a battle, they lost it.
While there were certainly American Admirals who championed Battleships over all else they were at least (Through observation or due to the fact very few were capable of fighting after Pearl Harbor) able to accept that the Carriers valuable for fighting Japan. By the time the Japanese realized the naval war would be won in the air it was far too late since their carriers were sunk, the crews were dead, and their aircraft were being outclassed.
>>30360118
Only boom is on impact. Muzzle boom is inefficient.
Railgun sound is "zzzz swoosh". And if the round is going fast enough, "FWOOOoooooshhh....".
I would gloat over the sinking of the Japanese navy if their was no lose of human life and it was just someone's precious boatfu getting the shit pounded out of her by a few tons of freedom but I digress. The Japanese navy was deficient in its ability to counter American aviation.
>>30361446
One wonders though, if the US is heading the same way. I really hope that we get those rail guns and laser defenses in place and that they work well before China catches up in terms of C4ISR. Because once they do, they'll be able to theoretically send a lot of supersonic missiles at our boats.
>>30355157
You cant stop the Axis powers!
yeah fellow anon I feel you. keeps me up every night... Sometimes I fear we have become the big bad who is so delusional we don't see our own weakness and live in an echochamer.
reporting for duty
>>30361414
There would be a hypersonic boom.
>>30361497
Lasers are supposed to be able to defeat railgun projectiles? How?
Cant sink the Bismarck!
>>30361535
>>30361544
>>30361571
The surface force of the Kriegsmarine was even worse than the IJN, and one of the few services branches that compares unfavorably to their Italian counterpart.
Not a lot to be proud of.
>>30361535
>>30361544
>>30361571
>Forced to withdraw after a battle where the Kriegsmarine had a heavy advantage
>Rendered helpless by a biplane
>Had her heaviest armor penetrated in a systematic way to eliminate her ability to fight
Get the fuck outta here.
>>30361571
We can sink her little sister pretty easily. Just add beer then prepare to load torpedo tubes 1 and 2.
>>30361535
>>30361614
>>30361626
>Axis
According to the Japanese in the image, that girl is supposed to be HMS Repulse.
>>30359508
is it possible for the gunner to accidentally shoot the tail of his own aircraft? and if yes what kind of shit unfolds next?
>>30361678
Well forgive me for not knowing what Boat-Bronies fap to and claim are representations of warships.
One of them said Bismarck, which is arguably the most undeservingly hyped Battleships after the Yamato.
>>30361695
Yeah, that was always one of the risks for the backseat gunners.
You can probably guess what happens if they do shoot off their own tail.
>>30361716
>Boat-Bronies
I get that you're angry about nothing major Wave, but you're dumb if you think people who like shipgirls are anything like Bronies.
>>30361741
>Come where they are not welcome nor wanted
>Push their shit on everyone else
Sounds like Bronies to me.
>>30361779
Have you considering growing up and just ignoring it if you don't like it?
>>30361678
>red
>black
>white
Those certainly are the traditional colors of the United Kingdom.
>>30361784
Have you considered going back to /vg/ or /a/ where you belong?
>>30361741
Go be paranoid and autistic in /wowsg/.
>>30356014
We have them. They are called nimitz carriers.
>>30361815
How many tears per second are coming out of your eyes right now?
>>30355157
>>30355157
>Jack is Japan
>The Robots are the Japanese Navy
>>30361805
It says レパルス right there
レ-パ-ル-ス
Re-Pa-Ru-Se
That's how Repulse is spelled in Japanese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoP62Emv5xk&spfreload=10
>>30361952
All that suffering and death. For 10 US planes. Fucking unreal.
>>30355781
Wait, does that mean Japan has access to the wave motion gun?
Surprised nobody brought this up:
>>30361928
All it means is that the artist is garbage with his research, drew a Kraut bote clone, then decided to call it Repulse for uniqueness points.
>>30355157
You're a big ship
>>30361952
Intense! I've been meaning to watch that movie for quite some time now.
>>30361952
Wait, wouldn't firing the main battery while there are people on the outside deck instantly fuck up everybody's hearing? I mean like mind numbing pain that you can't even think through because your ears just exploded.
>>30363054
fuck up everybody's hearing? No, it causes concussions and can tear clothing off of people.
The AA mounts closest to the Yamato are enclosed for the purpose of shielding the gunners from the blast of the main guns. The ones farther away are open mounts.
>>30358775
If we can do pic related, I doubt we cannot lift a warship out of the sea.
>>30356741
Battleship fanboy here.
The Iowa's could dump more pounds of payload on a target in an hour than 50 B1 bombers.
To this day nothing hits harder than an Iowa.
>>30363200
We can do pretty much anything
But the past is the past and those sunken derelicts are better preserved at the bottom of the sea
>>30363200
>lift a warship out of the sea
considering that the Yamato not only suffered multiple hits that probably caused it to tear itself apart as it sunk to the bottom, not only did it invert itself which meant the gun turrets probably fell out and caused further damage, but it suffered a magazine explosion that could be seen for miles.
The best you're probably going to get is a few pieces of equipment for museums and auction items. Either that or a lo of scratch spent in order to pick up the pieces.
Plus i think the Yamato counts as a war cemetery or tomb because of all the dudes that went down with her. Don't want to disturb all them angry japanese ghosts and cause them to haunt you with ecto-katanas or some shit like that.
>>30360118
>>30361414
Railguns are quieter than Mk 45. Not by much though.
>be me
>like botesluts
>realize they have fuckall to do with real naval warfare
>come on the anime even depicted a victory at midway
>see autistic weaboo kancollefag shilling for the IJN
>he actually believes 2d is real.jpg
>see him have every argument absolutely fucking destroyed
>damage control to equal the IJN
After multiple successive bomb and torpedo hits, as well as the resulting explosions in the fore and rear magazines, the IJN Shitposting went down with all hands.
USA USA USA
>>30363383
I don't know about that.
Maybe if you said conventional payload i could buy it, but then I also think the Air Forced B-52 fleet could give it a solid run for it's money.
It's a shame there's really not much footage of the Yamato around. It should be more famous, the last and grandest of its kind.
>>30363838
It's already too famous for it's own good with an undeserved reputation.
>>30363838
In Japan, the Yamato is practically worshipped as a deity, a martyr that gave its life in one last ditch effort to save the country. It really doesn't need to be "more famous." There is already a very large and devoted fan base.
>>30359557
They say Olympic was scrapped too soon, supposedly her crew claimed that she was like new when Cunard bought White Star and made the decision to scrap her.
Just sad.
>>30363503
Lies.
Humanity can surface every piece of a wreck so long as they can find it.
The problem is, is it worth it?
My opinion is American warships are the closest thing we have to old world castles and they should be raised up.
And they have been raised up.
Even Japan has actual castles.
America has the damn Disney castle.
This north and south America needs something like that and BBs are it
>>30363838
The Yamato already gets treated as the final boss for the entire war.
>>30363830
Do the math yourself then.
I calculate nine 16" guns and twenty 5" guns drop more poundage in an hour than 50 bombers.
Each main battery fires more than 5 tons a minute ffs
>>30364009
I don't know what you're trying to get here anon.
Most of the BBs we have from the war are already preserved already as museum ships and we don't really need to raise any up from the sea because almost none of them sank during the war.
>>30364035
those 16 inch rounds had a whole 70kg of high explosive in them. they were not efficient weapons.
>>30364142
Exactly.
Our battleships are CASTLES.
Its why I think we need to create a new class of BB for posteritys sake and ours, too.
>>30364160
But nothing could stand against them. They flattened trees in the jungle to create improvised landing zones. A big crater and two hundred feet of flattened trees doesn't sound inefficient, does it?
>>30355855
this.
With planes, the "all big gun" are obsolet.
>>30364269
>what is a daisy cutter/moab
>>30364160
>The final type of ammunition developed for the Iowa class were "Katie" shells. These shells were born from the concept of nuclear deterrence that had begun to shape the United States armed forces as the Cold War began. To compete with the Air Force and the Army, which had developed nuclear bombs and nuclear shells for use on the battlefield, the US Navy began a top-secret program to develop Mk. 23 nuclear naval shells with an estimated yield of 15 to 20 kilotons.[25]
There are other types of shell than AP, you know.
>>30355781
Yes but when are they going to turn it into a spaceship?
>>30356790
>Ten-go
>Ten planes.
>>30356741
Iowa was also faster, had better fire control, and despite having less armor, could probably withstand more damage due to better compartmentalization.
An Iowa would probably win in a one on one provided they start out at long range. The ultimate battleship, Montanans weren't even necessary.
>>30364449
Once they get all of the duplicate Japans necessary to accelerate the technological development.
https://youtu.be/hqIYmYBNYxE?t=18m
>>30357500
>You will never be a random marine creeping through the foliage waiting for the inevitable yell of banzai from an undisciplined Jap NCO only to momentarily peer out towards the ocean and greeted with the sight of a fuckhueg battleship running itself aground while wildly firing its main battery directly over your head
>Build largest battleship ever.
>First and only mission is a suicide mission.
>>30364551
That's not true. It ran away from some escort carriers once.
>>30364566
It also wasted fuel at Midway.
>>30364551
>Krauts never built the Amerikabomber
>Japs threw away their superbattleship without letting it do cool shit
Fucking Axis
>>30364632
The escort carriers did have planes. Granted they were older fighter planes and bombers armed with depth charges for ASW and bombs for ground attack, but they had planes nonetheless.
>>30364632
>Targeted by 5 in (127 mm) gunfire from the destroyers and destroyer escorts, the Japanese cruiser Chōkai was hit amidships, starboard side, most likely by the sole 5 in (127 mm) gun of the carrier White Plains.[53] While the shell could not pierce the hull, the 7 pounds (3.2 kg) bursting charge it contained set off the eight deck-mounted Japanese Type 93 "Long Lance" torpedoes, which were especially volatile because they contained pure oxygen, in addition to their 1,080 lb (490 kg) warheads. The explosion resulted in such severe damage that it knocked out the rudder and engines, causing Chōkai to drop out of formation. Within minutes, an American aircraft dropped a 500 lb (230 kg) bomb on her forward machinery room. Fires began to rage and she went dead in the water. Later that day, she was scuttled by torpedoes from the destroyer Fujinami.
Those things are dangerous.
>>30363200
Is that the ship that ships shipping ships? and is it shipping ship ships?
>>30364960
More like Japanese ships are dangerously built.
>Grandpa served on Samuel B Roberts during World War II
>His only action was the Battle off Samar as a part of Taffy 3
>Taffy 3 ended up against Yamato and her escorts
>Mfw a little destroyer escort fought like a battleship and blew off IJN Chokai's bow and wrecked another cruiser's superstructure with naval gunnery before being smashed by Yamato and Kongo's guns.
He never talked about it, and we only found this shit out after he died. He wouldn't like that I joined up like he did all those years ago.
>>30364269
>But nothing could stand against them.
that's not true. other battleships, with only steel for armor, stood up to them fine.
>They flattened trees in the jungle to create improvised landing zones. A big crater and two hundred feet of flattened trees doesn't sound inefficient, does it?
so what do you think a bigger explosive charge will do then?
>>30364419
>There are other types of shell than AP, you know.
yes, anon, i know, but apparently you don't, because if you did you wouldn't think i was quoting the ap specs. the charge for ap was about 18kg. which you should actually know if you had bothered reading that article you're quoting.
and you don't want to play the nuclear warhead game. you won't even come remotely close to winning it.
so as i said
>not an efficient weapon
>>30360833
please.....please post that photo. I beg you
>>30361203
Its a bit like having beaten up the school retard, then taking on the school quarterback
>>30364590
>>30364566
>>30364551
every battleship in the early 20th century grew up wanting to become next the HMS victory.
Enterprise took the honor instead.
>>30360118
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6eF41dv70A
Imagine the cumulative sonic booms from a battery of these
>>30365470
>Enterprise
That is not how you spell 'Warspite'.
You want fear? Here's your fear.
>>30365053
You ever read The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors? Excellent read about that battle, and everything leading the ships up to it.
>>30363383
>To this day nothing hits harder than an Iowa.
>>30365823
er
>>30355157
>>30360807
>>30361070
a10 can carry bombs yo. lots of em.
>>30365806
this is one of the manliest things ever done
>>30357977
No. The ship was folded over million times and if straightened out it would have reached all the way from japan to somewhere in oklahoma.
>>30360078
>jamming the ship's siren to "on", making communication across the ship difficult
heh
>>30365956
Nigga got a postmortem Victoria Cross by recommendation of the Admiral Hipper captain too.
>>30361784
Spoken like a brony, shit up some otger thread
