AR general, Night Shift edition
old >>30350712
>>30353145
In for making a fancy pen tomorrow
>>30353166
explain
>>30353115
I prefer to dial given the chance, but if you want capped turrets, sfp, and a bdc; you fall in to the weird hunting scopes with AR BDC market you'll see a lot of in the big box stores.
Nikon, Bushnell, Weaver, etc should all have something for you.
>>30353183
what selector is that
In for goodnight /arg/.
I'm gonna need you niggas to sell me the geissele trigger vs the cmc trigger.
Convince me the trigger is worth it.
>>30353186
Battle Arms Development BAD-ASS 90*. They offer a 45* as well if you swing that way.
>>30353199
>BAD-ASS
never mind
>>30353083
Neither. I was given an AR last year as a present, and I find it very uncomfortable to shoot.
The hand guard in particular is uncomfortable to hold. Not to mention, the grip has no ergonomics to it. Basically, the core rifle is fine, it's all the finishing touches that need revision.
>>30353183
The way I figured it is that I wouldn't ever have a chance to spin the dials if I needed to, nor would I have a laser designator to check ranges and a calculator on hand. I was planning on figuring out the drop for 55, 62, and 77 grain shit and keeping a note of it on the gun or in one of my pouches, then just holding over.
I've looked through FFP scopes and fuck that. The reticle is way too thin for close-in, and way too thick (for my liking) for longer ranges.
>>30353197
I've fucked with a Timney before, which is single stage like the CMC. It was an upgrade from milspec for sure, but I went with Geissele since I was building an SPR and wanted a two-stage.
Glad I did, plus I didn't want some fancy casette thing like CMC or Timney uses.
In the end, they're both upgrades from a normal trigger, but you're basically deciding between better precision (two-stage) and speed (single stage).
>>30353218
If it is a drop in handguard then no tools are likely needed, the grip will require only the driver type for the head of the grip screw.
Do you have a picture of the rifle, or do you know the manufacturer and model?
>>30353181
I'm making a fancy pen tomorrow.
>>30353252
Ohh
>>30353244
Here it is.
The gas block is what's stumping me. The handguard is IMI defense, but I can't spot a manufacturers tag on the gas block.
I see what screw I need to remove to swap out the grip though.
>>30353264
Sauce on the gif?
>>30353304
Mashiro-iro symphony the color of lovers I think
>>30353331
Thanks. I was hoping it had more to do with the cat-thing though, shits cute.
>>30353300
Okay, so that handguard clamps onto a standard mil spec barrel nut. It is a 2 piece design so you can leave the gasblock in place unless you plan to shroud it with a longer or 1 piece rail. The handguard itself is held on with some allen screws on the bottom near the receiver.
Even if you do need to remove the gas block, it looks like a knockoff of the vltor flip up gas block, it should just be allen screws clamping it around the barrel as well.
So if you stay with the mil spec barrel nut and you want to get away from quad rails, you can look at handguards like the Samson Evolution or Troy Alpha which will clamp right on.
If you want to keep your flip up gas block, you need a 7" handguard. If you swap it for a low profile block you can go longer.
just finished her
>night shift edition
my nigga
It's my weekend, but I usually try to maintain my sleep-schedule so I don't get fucked when I go back to work.
>>30353145
Is arq0 gun?
>>30353512
Good to know. I'll try removing the handguard next to see what's going on underneath. The idea of a quad rail is nice, but ultimately not very comfortable to hold. Besides, I can't imagine putting much more than a flashlight on the front of this thing.
However, I think I would want to go with one of those round handguards with a single rail running along the top.
Thanks for the tip, mang.
Anyone here tried the Bushmaster 450? Thoughts? Should I buy one?
>>30352134
>>30352261
>A non-nfa 14.5" pinned to 16" is only slightly longer than an M4 with a the standard A2 flash hider.
you can always do this to avoid the stamp as well: http://www.specializedarmament.com/content/skins/flat/14-5_bbl_16_bbl.htm
why the fuck are LMT stocks so goddamn expensive?
>>30354275
Do they make stuff for mil. contracts?
Might be why.
>>30353145
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUMv120oCw
"What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very very loud.
It felt to me like a bazooka — and sounded like a cannon.
But mostly, I was just terrified.
Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).
The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."
Gersh Kuntzman
Globalist Propagandist
New York Daily News
>>30354275
I have an LMT SOPMOD
best stock I've ever used
buy a b5 =)
>>30354305
"gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."
Imagine leading a life so cucked and safe that feeling adrenaline is something new and scary.
>>30353648
no
shitmaster is owned by shitgroup
Why is the MRO almost half the price of the t-2?
>>30354422
because the swedes have higher taxes.
vertx pants with vintage 70s joggers in
Just picked this up. Should I upgrade it at all?
>>30353145
Any anons have advice on what kind of upper I can get for ~500, and maybe a lower less than 200? Semi poor friend is trying to get his first AR and wants to build. I dont have a clue as to whats good on the budget spectrum of ARs.
>>30354661
New trigger for sure
>>30354670
Should be able to get a psa premium for pretty cheap during the 4th sales
Good morning faggots
>>30354661
I agree with
>>30354685
get a new trigger. hell do it before you even go to the range. absolutely worth it
>>30354694
a good morning it is
>>30354661
how much did you pay
>>30354699
>get up at 415 to be in Seattle by 0500
Great way to start the day. thankfully the degenerates in Seattle aren't awake yet so I don't have to deal with them.
>>30354701
I paid $880 OTD locally. Buy more of my patches so I can upgrade it.
>>30354706
iktf senpai
Hi /arg/
I'm looking to get my first AR15 in mid july (before prices get too crazy)
I'm thinking of getting Bravo Company's Recce 16, is this a good choice? I don't know the first thing about AR15s other than I want a free-floating barrel and the ability to customize
>>30354734
>>30354661
>colt
Yeah, you should upgrade to a del-ton
>>30354734
Where did you get your patches made?
>>30354755
I live in Miami. Easy access to lots of cheap manufacturing and labor.
>>30354759
oh ok
>>30354305
Why do you keep posting this like we haven't seen or heard about it?
You're spamming. Kys
>>30354778
You're probably drinking coffee right now huh you degenerate scumlord
>>30354778
they're listed on eBay, just search for "rock or something morale patch" -- I've seen a few pop up here and /out/
>>30354706
had to get up at 4am myself (central)
>>30353187
Nice illegal SBR :|
>>30354747
Plz respond :(
Good morning /arg/
>>30354848
>The richest man on /arg/
Good morning moneybags
>>30354872
This is a joke, right?
>>30354880
>shit-tier rifle
>20 year old entry level pistol
Yes. You are a joke.
>>30354880
>non adjustable elevation rear sight
why do people buy these
so who used my trip to spam gay porn again?
>>30354902
Because you can adjust elevation with the front sight.
>>30354902
Front has adjustable elevation. Rear has windage adjustments.
>>30354915
Where?
There wass none here, you must have pissed someone else off
>>30354742
Yup, I don't think I've ever hated a city as much as I do that one.
>>30354814
Yeah man no fun
>>30354933
i only post on g and this thread
no one on g knows my trip or hates me enough to care.
the archive is 404'd so i can't just search my trip to see where
>>30354750
>del-ton
>>30354797
Not today. Haven't had any in a while actually
>>30354801
I want to make my own but since you are a nice guy I'll buy one.
>>30354943
Yeah it's pretty bad. Good thing the real degenerates stay outta the woods
>>30354915
Not me. :^
>>30353571
Lucky fuck.
>>30355007
well you just admitted it now
what kind of gay goat scat porn have you been posting
also, desustorage was shut down because of CP, i also blame you
>>30353571
MUH DIK. Why bcm upper and what scope
>>30354964
Thanks. I could make some for /arg/ too but I'd need to sell at least 25 to make it worthwhile.
![WP_20160610_001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/talKDQb.jpg "WP_20160610_001[1].jpg")
>>30355021
>scat porn
Now that's just nasty, I fucking hate scat/WS with a passion.
>desustorage was shut down because of CP
Fuuuuuck, I was wondering why it didn't work. What's the alternative this time?
>i also blame you
Baseless accusations.
Considering filing out the shit to make an sbr, but how does 5.56 perform out of shorter barrels? Would i be better off going with 300blk? Also, bcm gunfighter grip vs magpul k2+?
>>30355047
cuckchan.org
it's temporary
>>30354841
how much is it?
most fags here will say build it, which is def the best way to save money and get what you want
but I'm lazy so I just got an sr-15
if you have any questions ask away
>>30354750
my colt wasn't bad at all
never had an issue and it had good fit/finish
not as good as my new one though
glad it had good resell =)
>>30355036
I feel ya, I made some in the past.
>>30354917
>>30354917
yeah let me just bust out my front sight tool and adjust that real fast while trying to engage.
whats a good grip?
im getting sick of the a2 one that came with my parts kit.
>>30355156
step up
>not using 300y zero
>>30354984
I know, but part of me has this fantasy of being chased by a group of SJW's into the woods and then I go John J Rambo of them.
>>30355164
Magpul moe
>>30355167
I actually do use a 300yd zero haha
seems to be an unpopular one
>>30355164
>>30355177
To add to that, Magpul MOE K2 even better grip angle
>>30355049
Plz respond
ahh central Louisiana you so silly
>>30355164
Tango Down is operator
>>30355177
>different colour handguard, stock, and grip
Why.
Also your Geissele rail is never going to come in the exact colour of tan that you want. They have no consistency in producing the same colours.
How do I know if a specific handguard is gonna fit my rifle?
I've got a piston-AR with a proprietary quick-detach FF handguard that's too short for my likings, but what kind of specs do I need to look out for in an aftermarket handguard to make sure I can both attach it to my upper and it fits my gas piston?
>>30355156
No tool required though.
>>30355171
Pay some crack heads $10 to chase you innawoods
>>30355239
A friendly anon did this rendition for me. So, it'd be great if someone wants to fix it. I can't. Only have mobile internet. I'm rail shopping so his work helps
>>30355253
Not the same, I want some serious trigger warning safe space land whales wearing pic related.
>>30355308
run into a starbucks with a bible in your hands and yell abortion is illegal.
if that doesnt work invade their safe space with the bible.
Was actually innawoods today since dawn.
I'm still iffy about OCing an AR into a public forrest but today it was literally 100% empty other than coyotes.
Magpul MS4 sling or Vickers sling?
>>30355249
What ar do you have?
>>30355380
MS4 unless you want a padded BLG sling
>>30355380
Vickers
>>30355374
Carry the AR faggit
>>30355294
>that AR
Ewww
>>30355380
I've had nothing but good experiences with my MS4. Very easy to adjust and set up how you want it, pretty comfortable.
>>30355404
>2016
>Being this rich
Does anyone know what the deal is with that golden tiger .223 sgammo was supposed to get in?
>>30353197
I just got a Giselle trigger over their memorial day sale and it's great. Leaps and bounds better than milspec, and nicer than some others I've tried.
![WP_20160521_003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0mAu8ai.jpg "WP_20160521_003[1].jpg")
>>30355430
What do you mean?
>>30355431
My trigger is really close, but its a bit heavier on the 2nd stage
>>30355441
For a few weeks their newsletters advertised that they would be getting some GT .223, and you could see a "coming soon" on their website.
Now the expected date has passed with no sign of the GT. There's no mention of it on their site, newsletters, etc.
>>30355458
Oh, you got me there.
>>30355461
I thought maybe it had something to do with the shooting, but that doesnt really make any sense
Also, opinion on the colt 3x20 scope? Is it worth the 350+ it goes for on ebay?
>>30355399
1st at. Coulda been worse. Need a new rail first thing
>>30355388
A German Haenel CR223, can't really find anything about compatibility with aftermarket-handguards.
>>30355349
I don't think they would keep up the chase long enough to make it to innawoods
>>30355380
Can confirm the MS4 is a good sling.
>>30355404
>>30355380
A lot of guys on here really like the vickers. Personally I opted for the MS4 because I wanted to be able to use both single and dual point mount configurations. The vickers can be made to run single point, but it requires a $20 adapter from Impact Weapons Components.
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/2-to-1-point-split-bar-triglide-1-25-convertible-qd-sling-adaptor/
This adapter unfortunately appears to be fixed at 90 degrees.
If you want to run single point as well and save some money, grab the MS4.
>>30355589
>>30355574
Same here.
I've got 3 QD mounts on both of my ARs so that they both can be run single or dual point mount. One mount near the muzzle, one at the rear on the brace/stock, and one at the typical single point location in the endplate.
>>30355308
>>30355349
kek they wouldn't make it up on hill in seattle
>>30355602
one*
>>30355049
/arg/ plox
>>30355380
Vickers or kys
Counting down the days until I order my upper
>>30355049
5.56 can be a viable round out of a short barrel.
10.5 or above for reliabilitys sake, and try to use Mk262 clones for good terminal performance.
.300 Blk is very efficient out of a short barrel.
>>30355595
>>30355589
i yhink yhe ms4 would be better for what i need, plus its $45 at primary arms right now.
>>30355690
Do it faggot
>>30355049
If you want consistent fragmenting past 50yds but under 300yds you're going to want at least a 10.5" Anything less and you'll start getting inconsistent terminal ballistics at 100yds. This means your gun is less capable of killing people. If you're going below 10.5" and are going to suppress, then yeah get a 300blk. Otherwise just don't go too short, or you're going to have to use controlled expansion rounds or high grain rounds all the time.
>>30355399
>>30355374
interestingly enough what concerns me least about OC in my national forest is a ranger or sheriff. What concerns me most is some fucking soccer mom and her family losing their shit.
>>30355627
See how this kid too young to buy a handgun couldn't even take the time to support his assertion that you must either buy a vickers padded, or kill yourself? That's how you know you can ignore him.
>>30355629
How do you like the gunfighter stock?
>>30355703
What muzzle attachment is that?
![WP_20160604_003[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qwM2MPA.jpg "WP_20160604_003[2].jpg")
>>30355486
> but that doesn't really make any sense
I'd think the Ukraine shitstorm would be a much more likely explanation. GT shipments have been spotty for a long while, sadly.
>opinion on the colt 3x20 scope? Is it worth the 350+ it goes for on ebay?
I'd say yes, a 3x (or 4x) optic that's durable as shit with very fine adjustment capability (eyepiece and reticle) for $$400 or under is a pretty nice find in my eyes. Mind you, it's heavy as hell, but if you're mounting it on something that's already fucklight like an A1, it's tolerable.
>>30355697
now the real question,
black, brown, gray, or green?
>>30355717
Post your ar and I'll tell you
>>30355717
Always green.
>>30355703
Love it. As solid as a CTR but smoother and low profile. Plus it was free.
I'm gonna try out the Streamlight Rail Mount 1.
The cost, with a Keymod offset mount from Arisaka is $135 and I think I really need a weapon light now that I'm using my AR practically.
>>30355742
Love the ptr but man does it chew up brass
>>30353951
Looks pretty cool, thanks.
>>30355728
Here is an older picture before I finished it, that's the sling I'm replacing.
I'd also use it on the pistol I'm building that has a geissele desert dirt rail.
>>30355854
That's a sweet looking cat, also what is the blue tip? A thread protector?
>>30355854
Green
>>30355863
Thanks,
yes its a thread protector. Its the only part i couldnt decide on and my state was talking about legalizing suppressors (which they did) now i just need to find the qd suppressor i want.
>>30355703
muh age. you can kys too
>>30355644
>Mk262 clones for good terminal performance.
No, mk262 is great for the military but for civilian/hd/hunting, there are much better bullets.
Pretty much anything with a poly tip will work better for killing things that bleed.
>>30355991
So when you're using a shorter barrel, do you need heavier bullets?
>>30355715
looks like the noveske kx3 or kx5 (cant remember which one is big and which one is small)
>>30355717
see
>>30355742
green is life
>>30355944
>>30355703
>See how this kid too young to buy a handgun couldn't even take the time to support his assertion that you must either buy a vickers padded, or kill yourself? That's how you know you can ignore him.
dont talk about my friend t4 that way you jew-shit buying spergfuck
>>30355991
I don't believe in the lethality of varmint rounds on people.
Penntration>Surface Wounds
>>30356146
>I don't believe that a round designed to cause the most possible damage to tissue will cause damage to tissue
>>30355602
No they wouldn't but a man can hope.
>>30355627
Keep shilling
>>30356176
>... in an animal an order of magnitude smaller than a human
fixed that for you
>>30356225
>I'm gay
fixed that for you
>>30356247
Cancer
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
>>30356311
>>30356247
oh im sorry, did i upset you because i introduced a new perspective that you hadn't considered before? like the fact that a fucking racoon requires no penetration to kill because they're literally the size of a human forearm?
>>30356176
There's no doubt that fragmenting varmint ammo fucks up surface tissue, but surface tissue damage isn't what kills people in gun fights.
Destruction of the Heart/Lung area under the ribs is how to kill people quickly; expanding rounds like Mk262 and other OTM ammo do that easily and don't get stopped by ribs/fat.
They also don't melt and cause baffle strikes:^) >>30355991
In for 2nd shift most awkward shift.
>>30346924
>Just looked up the LaRue Battle Mixer. All of my fucking why. They are a cool company though.
The idea of the Battle Mixer is solid, but the fact that they ship them with every order just doesn't make sense. It would be much smarter (and probably cheaper) to ship patches or some shit. It's nice having one of these in case I ever decide to repaint something, but why would I ever need four of them?
>>30354281
Yes, they're contracted with the British military for the L129A1 and recently they picked up a contract with the NZDF for their main service rifle (one of their AR variants).
>>30354422
Are you asking why the T-2 is so expensive or why the MRO is cheaper? MRO is cheaper because Trijicon finds a way to fuck up every red dot, and the T-2 is more expensive because it's a better optic.
>>30354661
If you want to. It's not a bad rifle if that's what you want, but it's not the best rifle on the market by a long shot, either.
>>30354902
Who the fuck ever even uses their BUIS? The whole point is that they're a back up. In the event that you have to use them, chances are you don't have time to adjust elevation anyway.
>>30355380
Vickers.
>>30355716
>I'd think the Ukraine shitstorm would be a much more likely explanation.
Thanks for reminding me that the cheapest 5.45 on the market dried up just before I bought my AK74 because Ukraine decided it needed bullets for itself.
>>30356311
>DELETE THIS
Are you retarded, anon?
>>30356348
Mk262 wouldn't do shit against plates though would it? Wish they made tungsten core bullets.
>>30356379
No, M193 and if you can get it, M855A1 would be optimal for plates.
I wish there was a place to try different types of grips when firing before you buy.
That seems like such an obvious thing I wonder why no one has done it.
>>30356391
I want the HK grip on my sr-15
>>30356366
Get lost, bozo.
>>30356191
You'll come around and buy one, I can feel it.
>>30356389
M855A1 ballistics gel tests are so sexy
>>30356389
Can you buy M855A1 bullets on their own? Would be fun to see what max-pressure loads would do to steel from a 20" barrel.
Friends are really fun to have.
>>30356348
in my opinion ballistics mean fuck all if you can't hit the target, so I use the best shooting round which happens to be 75gr hpbt
>>30356428
you used to be able to buy blemishes super cheap (green tip was painted wrong) I bought nearly 10k of them
>>30355715
It is a KAK Flash Can, an aluminum baffle-less knockoff of the Noveske KX3. It was $30 vs the Noveske's $130, but if I could do it again I would have gone with one of the steel baffled knockoffs.
http://www.omegamanufacturinginc.com/Omega-Mfg-AR-15-223-556-12x28-TPI-Krinkov-Style-Muzzle-Brake-Pressure-Reducer_p_576.html
http://www.cobratacsystems.com/products/ar-223-banshee-can-muzzle-brake-pressure-reducer-1-2x28-pitch-thread?variant=291786519
http://www.cobratacsystems.com/collections/muzzle-brake-devices/products/ar-308-banshee-can-muzzle-brake-pressure-reducer-5-8x24-pitch-thread
For a while they were like $28 on amazon.
The KAK Flash Can works decent, but I'm sure having an actual baffle would do a lot to reduce the blast of the short barrel.
>>30355944
Great post.
>>30356005
It really isn't that simple. When using a gun, you want it to kill. Different bullets/barrel lengths kill in different ways. Read up on controlled expansion, fragmentation, and the AR15.com ammo FAQ.
Shorter barrels always result in less muzzle and downrange velocity. Ammunition that relies on fragmentation for terminal ballistics will always be less effective as muzzle/downrange velocity decreases. This means that a shorter barreled AR shooting ammunition designed to kill through the fragmentation mechanism will be less effective at killing. Things are a little fuzzy for me here but I think heavier bullets are more likely to yaw and tumble as compared to lighter bullets, but suffer from reduced velocity. It is a tradeoff, if your short barrel is already robbing you of lots of velocity, might as well get your terminal ballistics from the heavier grain and the increased tendency to yaw.
>>30356348
>>30356176
>>30356146
A light 40 grain varmint round will yaw and fragment too early to do optimal damage to a human, not to mention it would probably have a harder time retaining energy after penetrating heavy clothes at a distance.
>>30356442
Fuck I wish they produced open-tipped 75/77 grain bullets with tungsten cores. That shit would be awesome.
Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x40 Matte V-Plex Riflescope fr $120 shipped?
>>30353571
>>30356005
No, you want fragmentation and penetration
>>30356146
There is more than one kind of polymer tipped bullet.
>>30354473
What barrel length is that?
>>30356467
I'd spend more on at least a Diamondback if you want Vortex.
Really fun
>>30356146
There are polymer tipped rounds that are designed to provide good penetration and controlled expansion. In fact, the majority of them are designed this way, leaving only the tipped Varmageddons and Vmax as the "varmint" bullets that blow up without much penetration.
>>30356506
Get it free?
>>30356348
Mk262 doesn't expand, it fragments
>>30356450
agreed, anything lighter then 55gr is ass. but a 60gr hpbt is very close to mk318 sost
>>30356565
Read my post nigger.
Read it and read what you said, then kill yourself.
>>30356586
At the 6 inch mark you get an awesome expanded wound channel due to the bullet usually yawing and separating, so it doesn't expand per say, but still opens up the wound channel.
>>30356677
Ok, but that's no where near the same as a expanding bullet. I'm starting to think that you don't know what you are talking about.
>>30356677
"I don't believe in the lethality of varmint rounds
penetration>surface wounds"
>in response to
"pretty much anything with a poly tip will work better for killing things that bleed"
SO. You incorrectly assumed all poly-tip bullets were varmint rounds and were unaware that the MAJORITY of poly-tip bullets are controlled-expansion rounds (either monolithic hollowpoint or bonded softpoint)
SO. You're wrong and a salty cunt and YOU should KYS.
Thinking about getting Streamlight TLR-1 HPL for my budget rifle. Looks pretty good but should I just spend the extra $150 an get a surefire?
>>30356715
Yes.
The Streamlight is a good *pistol* light but doesn't have the beam throw necessary to really work at the ranges your rifle will.
>it would be fine for a strictly-HD rifle though, since width>throw when the longest straight-line distance in most people's homes is like 30ft
>>30356705
>Implying assumptions.
Dan may have simply been saying what he said, that varmint rounds aren't ideal for people due to their shallow fragmentation.
>>30356702
>wound channel opens
>guy dies
Who cares why it opens if it does the same thing.
>>30356705
You're putting words in my mouth, I said I don't beleive varmint rounds are good to go for self defense.
Thats it. Thats all that post meant.
If you'd like to argue sentence structure further, I'd recommend you talk to your english teacher next year.
>>30356728
Sounds good a little bit more saving and thinking never hurts.
>>30356745
dan you stupid fuck shut the fuck up and stay in your lane
you don't know shit about terminal ballistics kill yourself
>>30356737
That could be true, but he's a known fucktarded trip and has repeatedly stuck his foot in his mouth before.
>>30356745
See above. Also, you fail at damage control.
Also, why so fucking salty? Goddamn, you make it out like a single sentence raped your goat or something.
>>30356737
so much poorfag in one pic
>>30356737
Except 55gr Vmax achieves 12-14" of penetration in live-animal testing on hogs, and 14-18" of penetration in bare gel.
So he's also wrong about that regardless of whatever fuddlore he "believes"
>>30356745
My issue is that you called a fragmenting bullet an expanding bullet, and different bullets do different things and the terminology is important.
>>30356584
Yea. He ordered me mags for the AR and Glock 19, then double hit Add to Cart on accident for the trigger so i got his second.
>>30356715
Look into Fenix too. They make some really good budget lights, and you can get a 1000 lumen weapon light for like 100 bucks.
>be me
>gonna buy ar15
>keep putting it off
>go inna camping trip one weekend
>don't take electronics with me so no news
>come back on a tuesday
>there was a happening (orlando)
well now where should I get one now? I was going to get a complete lower and upper from PSA, but now a lot of it is out of stock. What do?
>>30356768
I'm not poor, just jewish. Pic related, but not /arg/ related.
Anyway those LK35 rucks are actually pretty damn good for the price.
>I'm leaving the argument regarding terminal ballistics.
>>30356752
>this salt
Nothing I said was, or is wrong.
Varmint Rounds a shit.
Rounds that expand deep wound channels not a shit, IE Mk262, Hornady TAP ect...
>>30356772
Show proofs, and whats the weight retention of the farthest pennetrating fragment and diameter of the wound cavity.
>>30356779
Point noted.
>>30356801
Ya missed out. You can't get rifles or parts anymore, they're all gone.
All gone.
>>30356785
Nice
>>30356801
Wait for psa to have 4th of July sales and be quick to order
>>30356801
Submit yourself to Abdul, you are literally dead now without an ar15
>>30356815
>bass
I have just lost all respect for you. Filtered.
How cozy is my shooting set up? I realized today I need an umbrella or something for shade.
>>30356815
We /argg/ again?
>>30356815
Jew and poor are very different. Hardened Arms is poorfag tier, I don't give a shit about your fag guitar
>>30356833
Pretty crap/10
>>30356834
Please not again.
>>30356772
Is that penetration of the fragments? Weird I see they're calling it a varmint bullet but that seems odd considering it is a 55 grain round.
I'm really going out on a limb here, and maybe this is just fuddlore of my own, but anything optimal for anti-personnel would seem suboptimal for a little critter or a big critter. Isn't that how optimization works?
>I thought I was going to be able to leave the argument regarding terminal ballistics.
>You can never abandon an /arg/ argument.
>>30356801
If you're in a decently sized city go to a gun show or lgs and buy a stripped lower. Most LGS around the country will have an okay selection of either Spikes, Anderson, or PSA lowers.
>>30356834
no, we only operate here
>>30356838
How could it be improved? Some throw pillows.
>>30356870
Since I know you actually use your shit, have you ever ran into anyone at night while in full regalia? If so, how did it go?
I'm gonna start doing that in full gear.
>>30356823
:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osPgcTFJOP0
>>30356834
You know it.
>>30356835
Okay.jpeg
>>30356835
Which ar is yours so I know how to make a good ar.
>>30356878
Get a proper shooting mat from Midway, then use your tarp as a canopy.
Or get running water on your tarp and make a poorfag slip and slide that you can slide around on while shooting targets.
>>30356912
Aw yea
>>30356870
>>30356853
Boo
>>30356952
I need some new shots of my ARs next to my bass stuff.
>>30353145
Anyone want to recommend a rail or hand guard for a 20" SPR build?
Also should I stick with .223/5.56 or go to .308/7.62?
>>30356972
Gotta maximize the memes. Mark Larue would probably play a Gibson
>>30356894
worst thing to happen was we got careless and we decided to walk a small back road instead of cutting through the woods to make up for lost time. truck came around the corner so first reaction was to get off the road. problem was the side we got off on was a cliff. I hit a tree with my head pretty hard. I went to the hospital like 2 days later because I couldn't stand my head ache and normal lights looked really bright. I had gotten a concussion with some minor bleeding and now I forget things really easily. my friend had fractured his rib aswell. we've never gotten close to actual people outside of their vehicles because no ones out at night. we've been spooked by footsteps in an abandon industrial building but we weren't able to confirm if it was a person or not.
>>30356772
You know actually this is total complete horseshit.
At 2700 FPS, the V Max only gets 5-7 inches of pennetration through ballistics gel.
Explain how the fuck it pennetrated 12-14" of hog, bones and all.
Also I have not seen a test where it even comes close to 18" of pennetration through ballistics gel. But then again I've only looked for about two minutes.
>>30356757
Literally kill yourself, I'm not wrong.
>>30357006
Sounds adventuresome. I ran into a moose while hiking the other week. Neglected to bring the AR so all I had was my 6 shot 9mm CM9. Needless to say we backed up very slowly.
>>30356816
>Nothing I said was, or is wrong.
>>30356348
>expanding rounds like Mk262 and other OTM ammo do that easily
you were saying? you stupid fuck.
>>30355644
>5.56 can be a viable round out of a short barrel.
>10.5 or above for reliabilitys sake, and try to use Mk262 clones for good terminal performance.
more stupidity
do you know what the fragmentation range is out of 10 incher for mk262?
Surefire MB sold old and backordered literally everywhere.
Should I Warcomp? Warden already shipped
>>30356990
PRI and go 18" or geissele and say 20"
>>30357036
Enlighten us anon, because people that actually shoot it into human beings report it does quite well out of 10.3 and 11.5 inch barrels.
>>30357028
Okay maybe the terminology was incorrect, but the point still stands.
>>30357006
That sounds shitty, and the footsteps thing would be maximum spook factor because I don't plan on going with people. I'll just go alone and see what happens.
>>30357063
>because people that actually shoot it into human beings report it does quite well out of 10.3 and 11.5 inch barrels.
ask them at what fucking range first you stupid faggot.
5.56 out of an SBR is literally useless past 20 yards. It WILL NOT RELIABLY fragment. And a heavier round like the mk262 mod 1 will be even more useless because it's SLOWER than 62 grain ss109
do you even know what the minimum velocity is for m855 fragmentation?
>>30357057
Are you the same guy I linked it to the other day?
>>30357059
stay*
>>30357026
>>30357028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqmclsRQmM
>The deepest penetration point did not go more than 5 inches.
Skip to 2:28 for the analysis.
To me it appears the 55 grain Vmax is not suitable for use on anything bigger than a varmint due to lack of penetration. Go figure.
>>30356816
>what's the weight retention?
Pretty pathetic
>show proofs
Here's 53gr @ 210 yards: 5.5" penetration (keep in mind this is two hundred meters)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCqmclsRQmM
Here's 55gr Zmax (Vmax) @ 200 yards achieving 9" of penetration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCPjJTtDS6g
Here's the 55gr Vmax (loaded in a .22-250, so significantly higher velocity which should actually *reduce* penetration of a highly frangible bullet) achieving 14" in ballistics gel. Also neat to see the shockwave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdo1JC5fqPw
>and diameter of the wound cavity
3-5"+ permanent (depending on range), temporary exceeded dimensions of gel block in all tests
>>30357094
>To me it appears the 55 grain Vmax is not suitable for use on anything bigger than a varmint due to lack of penetration. Go figure.
it's useless, precisely
>>30356833
Pretty shit m8.
>>30357081
Yeah it was backordered. Fuckers said in stock online but just emailed me
>>30357130
rip. I'd find it again but I'm at work
>>30356952
>>30357002
do you want me to bring my keyboard autism here?
>>30357077
>5.56 out of an SBR is literally useless past 20 yards.
Your statement is woefully vague and lacking some necessary qualifications to determine its truth.
Like I said in a post earlier, reliable fragmentation at a given range depends on several factors including the barrel length and the design of the round itself.
For example I can tell you right now that my 10.5" AR shooting 55 grain M193 will reliably fragment at 100yds. That seems far from useless.
>>30357059
should i go with .308 or stick with 5.56? >>30357077
This chuckle head has me thinking.
>>30357157
>For example I can tell you right now that my 10.5" AR shooting 55 grain M193 will reliably fragment at 100yds. That seems far from useless.
I retract this completely. My apologies.
>>30356862
Yeah that's penetration of the furthest fragment (same as how they measure mk262/m193/m855/mk318 penetration).
And no, anything ideal for killing people will also be ideal for killing deer and other similar-sized game animals (everything from coy-dogs to caribou, which range from ~65-250lbs just like people and have similar vital organ sizes and obstructions to said organs as people).
As far as why many varmint rounds achieve a lot more penetration than absolutely required, there's a lot of variety in "varmints" ranging everywhere from literal gophers (~9oz) to wolves (~70-110lbs) to shit like red kangaroos (150-200lbs) for our upside down brethren. While there are a few bullets specifically made for the smaller ones like prairie dogs (Midway's Dogtown bullet, Barnes' Varmint Grenade) most are pretty general-purpose. Furthermore, some potential loadings don't actually fragment (such as the 110 and 125gr .308" Vmax when loaded to under 2400fps, such as .300blk or the .277" and .284" Sierra Varminter when loaded to under 2650fps, such as mild 7mm-08 loads, 7mm T/CU, 6.8SPC, etc) and act more like a softpoint.
>>30357180
did you shoot your friend to find out or something?
>>30357157
>For example I can tell you right now that my 10.5" AR shooting 55 grain M193 will reliably fragment at 100yds. That seems far from useless.
yeah i would hope so, fuckin tard.
the reliable fragmentation velocity for m193 is 2700 fps. you don't even get that at the muzzle from a 10.5" barrel you tard.
>>30357180
>For example I can tell you right now that my 10.5" AR shooting 55 grain M193 will reliably fragment at 100yds. That seems far from useless.
yeah i would hope so, fuckin tard.
the reliable fragmentation velocity for m193 is 2700 fps. you don't even get that at the muzzle from a 10.5" barrel you tard.
reply meant for that post, not >>30357157
>>30357172
556
>>30357193
See:
>>30357180
>>30357191
No I tried it on myself real fast using a long piece of string. You know, just doing all I can to kms.
>>30357116
16"-18" of pennetration with a consistently large wound cavity is what the FBI recommends for killing human beings.
Take from that whatever you want, but I just can't trust that kind of abysmal pennetration in a defensive rifle.
Keep in mind, Ballistics gel doesn't accurately portray what the bullet will do in a real human body with bones and denser muscle.
Thanks for providing the vidyas, the last one was actually kinda surprising.
>>30357119
For self defense sure, still has hunting applications.
>>30357077
Thats just straight up wrong and not worth responding to with anything of merit.
The main reason why Mk262 and its clones are popular with SBRs is because the round is velocity independent(within reason) with its fragmentation characteristics.
>>30357209
>you don't even get that at the muzzle from a 10.5" barrel you tard.
yeah you do.
i've chrono'd mine
i should set up my chronograph at 100
i just have to be careful not to hit it.
>>30357217
word. You know of any billet upper/lower combos that aren't sold out? I have never had billet and I figure if I am doing a new build I might as well try it.
>>30357222
Last time the FBI analyzed anything they decided 12" was the max penetration needed.
Also I should note that none of the military loads achieve 16" of penetration if they fragment. M193 averages around 9, M855 with an early upset averages 10, M855 with a late upset icepicks and doesn't fragment (thus leaving a massive .224" permanent wound cavity), mk262 achieves 12-13", and mk318 achieves 11".
>>30356945
He should take a kiddie pool and fill it with water, than he can cool his barrel if it gets hot and be a badass oper8or
>>30357222
>the round is velocity independent(within reason) with its fragmentation characteristics.
wrong, it's got a lower minimum fragmentation fps. that's it.
>>30357240
Not off the top of my head.
>>30357287
>I don't understand the meaning of "within reason"
The fragmentation threshold for mk262 is like 1700fps, which is around 450m from a 10.3" barrel or nearly 700m from a 20" barrel.
>>30357209
Uhhhhh pic related
>>30357265
This is true the minimum is 12" not 18".
Mk262 still passes this requirement handily.
>>30357287
Yeah so it essentially fragments independent of velocity. That is why he said (within reason) meaning within an (((acceptable limit))).
It is like you don't actually understand calculus.
>>30357265
Icepicking is the absolute last thing you want an anti-personnel round to do. It is by far the least effective damage mechanism. The person you're shooting literally won't feel anything for a couple of seconds, plenty of time for them to shoot back.
>>30357346
which is why you never use m855 for anything serious.
