>At 5:13 Sarah from Maxon called. They were canceling my sale and refunding my money. No gun for you. I called back. Why? “I don’t have to tell you,” she said. I knew that, but was curious. I wasn’t rejected by the government? No. So what is it? “I’m not at liberty,” she said.
>Gun dealers do have the right to refuse sales to anyone, usually exercised for people who seem to be straw purchasers. I told her I assume they wouldn’t sell me a gun because I’m a reporter. She denied it. But hating the media is right behind hating the government as a pastime for many gun owners. They damn you for being ignorant then hide when you try to find out.
>A few hours later, Maxon sent the newspaper a lengthy statement, the key part being: “it was uncovered that Mr. Steinberg has an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”
>"Well, didn’t see that coming."
You can't make this shit up, can you?
Links:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/hah-liberal-reporter-tries-buy-ar15-gets-denied-violent-past/
Sun Times article:
https://archive.is/rWWbD
>>30349822
(((Steinberg)))
Well, didn’t see that coming
>>30349822
My fucking face when.
>Did he ever feel guilty about the people killed by the guns he sells? No, he said, that’s like asking a car dealer if he felt guilty if someone gets drunk and kills somebody in a car he sold. It seemed a fair answer. I asked him if I could quote him in the newspaper, and he said no, I couldn’t, so I’m not quoting him.
I'm a little confused. This might as well be quoting the guy for all intents and purposes, right? What a dick move
I hope this fucker gets arrested for lying on a federal form.
And WE'RE THE CRIMINALS, eh?
>>30349981
I find that hilarious to be honest
>>30350021
This is what I was curious about.
He admits he said "NO" on the form.
What we don't know is if he was convicted or not.
What's that again? A felony with 5 years in prison or $10,000 fine?
But nah dude, it wasn't because you are an alcoholic wife beater, it's because you are a reporter and they wanted to piss you off.
>>30350049
The real issue there is that lying on the 4473 is almost never prosecuted, even when there isn't an agenda being pushed. If the guy wanted to make any meaningful changes, he should be emphasizing that -
>hey I obviously broke the law and nothing's happening! We should do something about that
>>30350080
Some hollywood liberal's (can't remember that blonde cunt's name) antigun movie just lost an intern to this same problem. Obviously the intern was the one making the illegal out-of-state private sale but when you film your group doing something illegal "to show how easy it is" you can't bitch about "just trying to help the world" when they shut you down and throw your retarded ass in jail.
>>30350189
Wasn't that from the most recent anti gun documentary? I didn't realize that they actually arrested the guy, can you sauce that for me?
>>30350189
I remember reading something as an argument against idiocy in gun acquisition.
>we want universal background checks
We already have them
>why can people pass these checks when they shouldn't?
Because NICS is only as good as the database
>we should do something!
No shit Sherlock, what should have happened is the local PD passing up information to the NICS database so that shit like this could be properly flagged.
Essentially, the failure isn't the left-conceived lack of background check, it is a failure of the system to match with other jurisdictional entities and those entities' failures to report incidents.
I wish I had a source.
>>30350417
>beats his wife
No wonder he's a Muslim sympathizer.
>>30350455
>>30350344
I think that was it. I'm pretty sure the intern got arressted but I don't have source and I'm not looking it up so maybe they didn't.
>>30350394
The issue is that the people we're fighting against are so uninformed that they think that gun shows are magical places where background checks are outlawed. Proposed legislation isn't fixing issues with the system, it's just addressing perceived issues born out of ignorance.
Anti-gun people need to talk to us. There's issues with the system and things that can be fixed without pissing off pro-gun people. We live these laws, they merely bring them into the world and forget about them.
>>30349822
> Steinfuckingberg
/pol/ was right again
>>30350455
>No wonder he's a Muslim sympathizer.
mfw
>>30350518
>Anti-gun people need to talk to us.
We´ve got to push this line as hard as possible. Helping anti gun people to understand, rather than strip rights.
Another thing to push would be things like the pink pistols and how the black panthers were only exercising their rights, make them understand that minorities can have guns too.
>>30350619
>how the black panthers were only exercising their rights
>>30350645
:v)
![brady[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Tm0YuLx.jpg "brady[1].jpg")
>>30350619
Take this one step further and you get /k/ointelpro
>>30349822
>buys gun to find out about guns
top kike
>>30350619
>>Anti-gun people need to talk to us.
>We´ve got to push this line as hard as possible. Helping anti gun people to understand,
you would have better luck trying to get a legally retaded individual, such as that reporter in OP, getting accepted into MENSA
>>30349822
OH LOOK
BACKGROUND CHECKS WORK!
>>30350619
Definitely. We need to educate.
Offer to take people shooting. Educate them about the things they want to ban, and about the existing laws that govern guns today.
And hell, even play to their biases. Point out how the student uprisings that happened in the '60s - a big part of the Civil Rights Movement - only succeeded because the students were armed.
>>30350700
My favorite argument has always been
> You just don't want me owning guns because of my colour
>>30350708
And libtard news people really need to fucking stop it with this bullshit. Buying from any FFL already has NICS with them.
>>30350417
>Steinberg.
Yeah, I'm sure the Muslims will love him.
I'm just going to leave this here.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2008/The-Last-Round/
>>30350751
It's the new hot thing for no talent hacks, just like it wasn't too long ago how they were all running around trying to find bakeries to hypothetically bake them hypothetical dick cakes for hypothetical fag weddings.
There's no real reporting anymore, they just stampede from one manufactured outrage to the next, and you can't pin them down on their bullshit because they are already gone to pick at the scabs of the next tragedy.
>>30350189
>>30350344
>>30350503
'Under the Gun'- Katie "ima creatively edit these interviews to make gun owners look like drooling invalids" Couric, her literally who producer ordered an employee to:
>travel from colorado to arizona.
>be on the buying end of a private sale.
>told to lie if needed to complete the purchase
>bought 3 guns, i believe at least 1 rifle and 1 pistol (dun fucked up mode: catastrophic at this point)
>travel back to colorado
and she was bragging about how easy and 'totally legal' the process was in an interview
I believe The Federalist caught on first
>started raising questions
>called multiple FFLs in arizona as well as law enforcement to verify the legality of what she was claiming.
>got a unanimous 'fuck no' from all professionals contacted because no shit that entire story was all kinds of illegal
>Contacts ATF
>ATF publicly acknowledge says they are aware of the situation
>Katie and literally who panic
>say they 'destroyed' the guns
>If true they committed yet another crime because in the state of arizona guns arnt allowed to be destroyed without giving the chance for LEOs and public to buy them in an auction
liberal activists didnt bother reading past the footnotes of federal and state gun laws, surprise surprise
>>30350021
Don't expect him to. If David Gregory can commit a felony on live tv during a segment of Meet The Press, and not get charged, nothings going to happen to this douche bag.
>>30350851
Fuck that shit, give me a tl;dr version please.
>>30349889
What is this parenthesis meme?
>>30350901
>in the state of arizona guns arnt allowed to be destroyed without giving the chance for LEOs and public to buy them in an auction
NICE!
>>30350764
The fuck am I reading.
>>30350901
So basically "literally who" has not been arrested yet.
Also we know who the producer is. There was only one male producer who lived in Colorado in the documentary. The moment Katie Couric aaid it was a male producer is when she outted the offender.
I just want to watch them get their rectums pushed in by the ATF and DOJ. Of course they're liberals, so despite Obama's very specific order to the DOJ to aggressively pursue all gun crimes, they'll just get a pass.
>>30350901
>If true they committed yet another crime because in the state of arizona guns arnt allowed to be destroyed without giving the chance for LEOs and public to buy them in an auction
Goddamn Arizona is based. So what if you have to water ration and now the lawn at midnight
>>30349822
THE SYSTEM WORKS MOTHERFUCKER
>>30350764
Is that the living avatar for everything wrong with Europe?
Gun nuts are basically like religious zealots.
>"Alright, given high mass shooting rates we need to put in a couple of procedures to ensure the wrong people don't buy weapons".
>"RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP TRYING TO TAKE ALL OUR GUNS!!!!"
>"But we're not taking guns, We are just putting some common sense measu-
>"NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP TAKING ALL OUR GUNS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>>30350937
New?
>>30351102
Posts like this make me feel all warm and fuzzy.
There is no greater compliment than the terror of your foes.
>>30351125
Damn right.
>Fact-based
>More pre-schoolers are killed by guns than are police officers.
Citation? Is this true, /k/?
>>30351102 (You)
>>30351100
Hitler was right. Literally everything he was trying to do was right. My entire life I called him an idiot, but it turns out that he was right.
I..... I don't know where to go from here. I think I'll just sit down for a while.
>>30349822
>Had I ever been convicted on charges of domestic abuse? No.
HE FUCKING LIED ON THE 4473?! About DOMESTIC ABUSE, no less?
>>30351186
No, he was a moron and Europe would probably look something like the post soviet east european states by now If he had won.
But clearly the current system isn't working. Cold war West Europe was Cold war best Europe
>>30351192
could have been charged but not convicted.
>>30350901
Please tell me someone had legal repercussions against them because of this
Dear lord please
also cite that thing about destroying guns. I live in mesa and while that's cool, I still think I have the right to do whatever the fuck I want to my shit because it's my own private property
>>30350860
There never was any real reporting in the first place.
Journalism has always been no better than prostitution desu
>>30351138
Well, cops are armed, I thing the solution is self evident.
>>30350901
>I'm going to need to see the firearms you illegally purchased.
No, it's cool we destroyed them.
>Alright I'm going to need to the destroyed weapons.
Well I don't have them any more; but you can just take my word on it right? right? Hey what are you doing? Get those handcuffs off of me you fascist! We have to do something about the overly strict gun laws in this country!
>>30349822
>hating the media is a pastime for many gun owners.
>They damn you for being ignorant then hide when you try to find out
Oh no, how dare we try to avoid the people who on a daily basis go to a gun store/show for the sole purpose of exaggerating, tweaking, or outright lying about their experience to damn us.
What the leftist media does is basically the equivalent of a reporter walking into a gay bar, having some dude lightly flirt with you at the bar, and then writing about how you were "verbally raped" (choosing to leave out the "verbally") and how literally every gay in the country is like this.
>>30351243
Right, right.
>>30351137
I recall that guy being a cop, or some such.
>>30349822
Whenever lefties cry about how easy it is to get a gun, I pray they never look north. I can get ARs and handguns delivered to my door. Hell, it's actually easier that way. And our licensing system is a joke at best.
>>30349822
Gun control works!
>>30351724
Don't you guys get shotguns that would be SBS's by our standards as well?
>>30351463
>"destroying" firearms
>not using the tried & true method
>I live in Northbrook, where criminal danger is remote. My boys laugh at us for locking the doors.
So then why does he do it?
>>30351753
I think I remember Canada not having length or caliber laws. So being deranged enough to hunt with a 20mm is legal
>>30350021
Report him, anyone?
>>30351870
There are minimum caliber laws in Canada for hunting.
>liek no durr hunt'n with .223
>>30351138
I actually looked up that info. If I remember right, there's an average of a little under 100, like 72 or something last year and 80 something the year before, officers killed while working every year. Only looked it up cause a cunt on facebook posted that "everyone's crying about bathrooms while police are still killing people" with a picture of a black kid so I point out going by 800,000 officers nation wide and around 1000 kills a year, usually high 800's, mid 900's, with 300,000,000 people means they don't really kill us much more than we kill them.
Please don't give exact math magic, I don't care that it actually means techically cops are ?x's more likely to be killed than kill people
>>30350901
And zero arrests.
Meanwhile if you are caught with a barrel on your rifle that is a fraction of an inch under 16 inches or the FED sees you shoulder a sig brace your ass is going straight to jail.
>>30351753
Annoyingly, they can.
Pic related.
>>30351102
>"common sense"
>implying
>>30351724
>Easier for a Canuck to get an AR than it is for me
Meh
>>30351922
I had a vision of some syrupnigger hunting deer with a 25-pounder "gun-howitzer"
>>30350937
Its a browser addon that adds parentheses(or echoes as they're called) around jewish surnames.
>>30350049
>>30350080
I don't think his wife filed a police report iirc
>>30352214
I think that's called culling deer at that point.
>>30349822
And this is how they have secured a new purchase from me on Thursday. Mossberg 500 or Trijicon MRO?
>Porque no las dos?
>>30349889
Pure coincidence, goy.
>>30352233
If you could build that app /pol/ would make you rich in about a minute. You''d make at least treefiddy
>>30351354
You could just refuse all offers and melt anyway.
>buy hi point
>state interest to sell
>refuse to sell for anything under $1000
>profit.
> or not and melt anyway
>>30351721
It's obvious he's a cop by the fact that he's OC-ing in Manhattan
>>30352332
I'd imagine the law is to protect morons inheriting collectors items and destroying them because "OH NO, GRANDPA'S EVIL GUN" without giving a good chance for the gun to end up with a collector or someone who'd enjoy it. Sure, they can still refuse, but if they somehow have a 4,500 dollar gun and still refuse 8,000 from a rich collector, that's they're choice, it's a stupid choice even they normally wouldn't make, but it's possible.
>>30352371
>their
I knew I had it right the first time, I'm special
Most cop deqths are traffic accidents.
>>30352371
That's probably what it is and I think that's good for collectible/historic firearms, but I'm kind of with the other anon, "muh property is mine to do with what I wish" and all that
Wouldn't shed a tear if it resulted in historic or collectible funz being saved from the fire though. If they wanted to destroy but voluntarily sold the gun to someone instead, I'm all for it
>>30351354
Gilbert AZ here. The law only applies to guns that are reclaimed through buybacks or other means. They can't buyback and destroy. The city has to sell them back to the public to offset costs.
>>30352451
Even better. Sold to buyback, sold back into circulation, all voluntary.
>>30349822
Wait. He lied on the form. Isn't that a misdemeanor felony?
>>30350901
>Katie and literally who panic
>say they 'destroyed' the guns
>If true they committed yet another crime because in the state of arizona guns arnt allowed to be destroyed without giving the chance for LEOs and public to buy them in an auction
You can't make this shit up.
>>30352495
>misdemeanor felony
wut
>>30352371
>I'd imagine the law is to protect morons inheriting collectors items and
the law is to prevent police departments or other government entities from just destroying guns they confiscate/find/etc, it doesn't apply to people's private property.
>>30352526
Gun owners arent the most intelligent
>>30352495
failing the check itself is a crime. I dunno if it's a felony, but it probably is.
>>30352495
>misdemeanor
>felony
>>30352554
Why is failing the check a crime? "You're not supposed to buy guns if you're a criminal"?
Not murican
>>30352587
iirc, it's because if you fail the check, it means you lied on the form.
I think it might be a crime for DQ'd persons to even attempt to buy a gun, but I can't remember.
>>30352243
Well he got denied for something. The FFL isn't told what, but domestic abuse is what they sniffed up.
>>30352611
In some states it is. Not sure about Illinois.
>>30352552
>>30352526
>>30352580
I forgot the "or" now fucking whip out the cocks so I can mongle as penance.
>>30352654
you're making this mixed race man blush
>>30349822
>maxon
top kek right next to me.
while on the train today i had to listen to a similar faggot probably 50 years old going on about salt weapons and gun show loophole.
>>30350014
fuck off with your cuck pron, faggot.
>>30352629
Not saying he shouldn't have been denied, but I read the authors original article and the rebuttal from the gun store. The author denied any charges or convictions, and the gun shop asserted that it happened and had some sort of proof
>>30352292
>implying anyone on /pol/ would pay for such a thing
>implying /pol/ is less Jewish than the kikes they bantz about
>>30352629
>>30352698
I think it was that even though she didn't press charges there was still a police report.
>>30352678
What is the gun show loophole exactly? Is it just that you can buy guns in private sales without government involvement and people who want to make private sales are at gunshows along with the licensed dealers who do require all the normal paperwork? That's the impression I've had and it's never made sense to me. It seems like another of those things that are purposefully misleadingly named.
>>30352292
Except /pol/ lives off of NEETbuck from the government.
>>30352730
>Is it just that you can buy guns in private sales without government involvement and people who want to make private sales are at gunshows along with the licensed dealers who do require all the normal paperwork?
yes.
>It seems like another of those things that are purposefully misleadingly named.
yes.
>>30352730
>Is it just that you can buy guns in private sales without government involvement and people who want to make private sales are at gunshows along with the licensed dealers who do require all the normal paperwork?
Yes. It's exactly that.
Warms my heart and makes me slightly less regret buying a 12(?) visit pass from them
>>30350764
>sex is a means of getting what I want
Nobody with anything worth having would put their dangly bits anywhere near this thing's orfices.
>>30352745
>>30352749
Well, fuck everything then.
>>30352495
>>30352495
So now we're up to 80,001 people who won't be prosecuted for knowingly trying to buy a gun illegally.
>>30349981
And yet this guy mocks gun owners for hating the media.
>>30352897
ikr? is he purposely ignoring the irony of the situation or is he just that ignorant?
I have a kid that does my bushes, trees, weeds, mows and all sorts of shit once a month for 50$. Does a damn good job too.
>>30352730
The impression I get from a lot of people complaining about the "gun show loophole", is that they seem to think that background checks don't need to be performed at gun shows, period. Which of course isn't the case
It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant some people are of the law.
>>30353080
Maybe they just think gun shows are primarily private sales. idk if this is correct as I haven't looked into it but the one I've gone to allowed but didn't encourage private sales at the show, sorta making it clear that the seller was not affiliated with the show.
>>30350912
I'm not up with the times, Anon.
What happened?
>>30353164
I think he's referring to the time that journalist brought a standard capacity AR magazine onto a TV set in a place where standard capacity magazines are banned and possession of them is a felony.
He was not charged because >muh journalism
>>30351102
In the history of federal gun control, gun rights have NEVER been expanded. They have ONLY be diminished. Over and over.
Each time you say, "be reasonable! It's not like we're going to do X!"
So we give in. But then you start demanding X. And then you say "be reasonable! It's not like we're demanding Y!"
You ARE trying to ban all guns. Despite overwhelming showing that areas with higher concentrations of guns have lower crime rates, that cities like DC and Chicago saw massive INCREASES in crime after passing gun control measures (yet any time there is a repeal, crime plummets), that the two U.S. cities that made it necessary by law for every household to own a gun saw a MASSIVE reduction in crime rates, that over 90% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones, and countless other evidence, you still scream over all logic and facts and expect us to let your emotion dictate which of our fundamental rights YOU will allow us to keep.
Fuck off.
>>30349822
Hah reminds me of that Always Sunny Philadelphia in where they try to buy AR-15s to show how easy it is to get one only to get denied due to things in their past.
>>30353950
>history of federal gun control, gun rights have NEVER been expanded. They have ONLY be diminished. Over and over
see: McDonald v. City of Chicago or District of Columbia v. Heller or Caetano v. Massachusetts
and this week, 4 bills to increase gun control were trashed in the senate
stop being a dramafag, it's definitely not as one-sided as you pretend it is
>>30350021
he didn't lie. he was never convicted - he blamed alcoholism for him beating his wife bloody and deaf for years and his book made the rounds as a blowhard self aggrandizing "come to jesus" crock.
everyone in Chitown knows he's a drunken wife beater.
>>30352214
Artillery is actually fairly easy to get, since it's not considered a firearm at that point. So if you have the knowledge on how to make the shells (no explosive shells up here, sadly, just chalk, smoke and other faggotry), you could just order a 60mm and start having fun.
>>30349822
>I asked him if I could quote him in the newspaper, and he said no, I couldn’t, so I’m not quoting him.
Funny. My grandpa made the same mistake.
Don't talk to reporters.
>>30353985
>gun control bills defeated = expansion of gun rights
Are you literally retarded?
>>30351137
>Dumb bitch gets curious and tugs on holster strap
>Elbow hits her in the face so hard the last thing she remembers is pain exploding through her face and her feet not touching the ground.
>>30353985
Clearly you aren't paying attention. I'll give you one example...
> California
> Democrats are too busy having a dick swinging contest on gun rights. Its so one sided people are leaving California as fast as Mexico is trying to push people in. (maybe over exaggerating)
Back to my point, its completely one sided over here and the worst part is they have no idea what they are fucking talking about.
> Democrats honestly believe the bullet button turns a semi-auto AR into full Auto... - De Leon (Ghost gun moron)
>>30352897
this election cycle has proven that everyone who hates MSM is 100% justified
>>30349822
HOLY SHIT LIBTARDS IN LSP
IN LSP
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>>30349822
>tfw this is my local range
Based as fuck. I'm going to shake Sarah's hand next time I'm there.
The Sun Times is trash, it poses as a legitimate newspaper but is barely readable between all the ads.
>>30350645
They were going about it in the most obnoxious, libertarian esque way possible. But ultimately, they were doing what a TON of people here claim they're willing to do. They used their guns as a means of saying "No, you back down." to the government.
>>30354094
HE shells sound like more trouble than they're worth desu fampai. I'd want solid steel rounds to fuck up beater cars and such.
>>30349822
They trying to prove its dangerous also admitting they themselves are dangerous?
It sounds like they confessing criminal intent.
>>30354189
In retrospect though they were massively in the right though, and the government of the day was most certainly acting in a tyrannical manner.
>>30354239
This is just how they think. "This is something dangerous, if I get my hands on it I might snap, therefore anyone else who gets their hands on it might snap and so no one should have this." They can not conceive of the notion that they are the ones who are fucked up, and that other people can handle guns perfectly fine.
>>30350901
Gerfag here, please educate me on the legality of those actions.
I imagine it has something to do with crossing state lines.
>>30351922
Oddly, not in Ontario where to hunt moose, deer, or bear, you only need a centerfire cartridge. Technically .25ACP is a centerfire cartridge. It depends province to province.
>>30354125
>California
>federal
learn to read english
>>30354116
eat a dick, you sound like the type of person that will never be happy and just wants more
>>30351102
>common sense
>denial of rights without due process
And this is why we mock you.
>>30354269
It is illegal in all of the USA to directly purchase a handgun from out of your state of residence.
If you want to buy a handgun from out of state you have to get it shipped to a FFL (gun shop) in your state.
>>30351192
He wasn't convicted, plea deal that required him to take alchohol counseling iirc.
>>30352552
>Arent
Libs aren't the most intelligent.
Typical /k/
>Everyone should own guns. Faggots, the blind, the paraplegic, criminals, the insane. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Someone /k/ doesn't like
>Haha I love American gun laws keeping guns out of American hands fuck liberals amirite
>>30354339
it's more about liberals asking for stricter gun laws, then getting btfo by EXISTING strict gun laws
>>30354339
It's more like appreciating the irony, and pointing out that anti's don't even know what the current laws are or how they work.
>>30350913
He's Chicago's most well know alcoholic, and he seems to be proud of it.
He only ever slapped his wife once (that we know of because it was in public) but he also admits to tearing a phone off the wall and throwing it away in order to stop his wife from calling 911.
>>30349822
why are liberals so violent ?
sure they are less likely to do any damage but they are so fucking aggy all the time for no real reason
>>30350913
>“Everyone focuses on the slap—and that was the only time I ever hit my wife,” Steinberg says. “But the big issue was really the drinking. I had been drinking.” In less than 24 hours before the incident leading to his arrest, Steinberg had consumed a third of a bottle of Cognac in the early-morning hours, knocked back two vodka tonics and a beer before a 10 a.m. editorial meeting, taken a “long and boozy lunch” with a college friend, had several drinks before boarding his evening Metra train, where he consumed two glasses of wine in the bar car, and then slammed back a drink at a local pizzeria when he picked up the family dinner. He topped the evening off with a snifter of Cognac. Drinking, he admits, is the greatest love of his life.
>tfw metra used to have bar cars
>>30350417
>>30354470
being drunk is haraam doe
>>30354437
No way. That guy?
He looks no bigger than a fart.
>>30354470
at least you can still drink on it
>>30351824
because white people steal shit too
>>30351137
i keep thinking she should have tried instead of making a stupid blog post about how she could have done shit, anyone can do that
He shouldn't have been denied buying the gun.
You all are celebrating a liberal getting owned, but ignoring the fact that he shouldn't have been denied the gun. If you care about gun rights, you would't be praising this.
Liberals are ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE ALL MISDEMEANOR CRIMES EXCLUDE YOU FROM HAVING ANY GUN. And you sit here and praise this? This is what organizations like the Brady Campaign want. Exactly what they want.
You go into an argument with your girlfriend and she fell? Misdemeanor conviction? FUCK YOUR GUN RIGHTS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
You attended an AA meeting? FUCK YOUR GUN RIGHTS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
You got ordered to attend domestic violence counseling but have no convictions? FUCK YOUR GUN RIGHTS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
You got in trouble in hight school and the principle made you attend a single NA meeting? FUCK YOUR GUN RIGHTS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
Keep playing into the enemies hand.
Stupid fucking cucks.
>>30354116
it used to be i couldnt legally own a handgun here in chicago
now i can
seems you are the window licker
>>30349822
> 40 percent of gun transactions in the U.S. have no background checks.
> 40 percent of gun transactions in the U.S. have no background checks.
> 40 percent of gun transactions in the U.S. have no background checks.
> 40 percent of gun transactions in the U.S. have no background checks.
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>>30354543
Only post that matters ITT
>>30354543
>MUH SHELLNUT BEFRINGED
Nah. You can't handle yourself, you shouldn't have the same rights as someone who can. You're not equal just because you were born human. Stop being an entitled shit stain and deserve your rights.
>>30354551
That isn't an expansion. You used to be able to own anything there, you can't. You simply gained back some of what you lost. An expansion would be being able to own something you never could have before.
>>30350455
>>30354543
domestic abuse has always been a factor in denying the sale of a firearm you tinfoil hat fuck
maybe try not beating your fucking wife if this affects you directly. YOU are the enemy
>>30351192
>HE FUCKING LIED ON THE 4473?! About DOMESTIC ABUSE, no less?
>>30351243
>could have been charged but not convicted.
Just for the sake of discussion;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban
Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban
The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1] 18 U.S.C.§922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).
>>30354593
fuck off commie
>>30354543
Businesses can deny sales to whomever they please, for whatever reason they please. This is America buddy.
>>30349822
>Tfw a Jew got outJewed by his Jewish laws
/pol/ everytime
>>30354648
>case in point
i want to see an arrest for lying on a federal form
someone needs to keep on this
>>30354543
He wasn't denied by the government, retard. The dealer knew he was a wife beating asshole and told him to piss up a rope.
>libcuck tries to make article about how easy it is to get a skerry assault rifle
>Gets denied by the ebil death peddlers for having a history of violence towards women
You can't make this shit up.
>>30350518
I used to think this.
>if I explain, they'll understand
It doesn't work like that. The average antigunner is emotionally driven and doesn't want to be confused by your facts.
Antigun politicians are another thing entirely. They disseminate false information to the public, like "gun show loopholes" and "background check free internet sales". And they KNOW they are lying. Their ultimate goal is total civil disarmament.
That's not to say don't argue with antigunners, but only do it where there's an audience of fence sitters who can be swayed by reason.
The emotional "MUH CHILLUNZ" anti won't listen to reason and the anti gun politician already knows you're right, but acknowledging the facts does not serve their agenda. At best, when pinned down they'll spin and hedge and never admit you are right.
>>30350901
So is it confirmed they actually bought the guns, or were they lying about the whole thing?
![eacb6fb54f6a59e52c7553e068baa6dd[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ebEqTNV.jpg "eacb6fb54f6a59e52c7553e068baa6dd[1].jpg")
>>30351010
>So what if you have to water ration and now the lawn at midnight
STOP TRYING TO KEEP A LAWN GOING IN THE FUCKING DESERT.
>>30354944
IIRC someone tried to do that in Cali and they got fined for not having a lawn.
>>30351137
>Being in Manhattan
>OCing a handgun and baton (also I can see a knife) in a coffee shop
>Not having the entire New York police force waiting outside
You seriously expect me to believe this?
Also,
>Oh shit a gun! There must be an imminent shootout.
>America is so uncivilized
Fucking classic Brits.
>>30354944
This. A thousand times.
>>30352654
>I forgot the "or"
You should stick to small words in the future and just say "crime". Criminal charges can only be misdemeanors or a felony.
>>30354269
Federally, private sales are allowed in state without a background check. This includes long guns and handguns.
Long guns purchased out of your home state must be bought through a federally licenced dealer, though you can still buy them out of your home state.
Handguns MUST be shipped to your home state where a licenced dealer runs a background check.
Purchasing a gun for someone else is considered a "straw purchase" and is a felony. The only time buying a gun for someone else is allowed is if it is explicitly a gift, which this was not.
So let's count the felonies. Three counts each of buying a gun out of state without a background check. 30 years, $30,000. One count of buying a pistol out of state without a licenced transfer. 10 years, $10,000. Three counts of straw purchase of a firearm, 30 years, $30,000.
Then there's Arizona's laws about destroying firearms, which may or may not apply to a Colorado resident. The ATF would probably tack on obstruction and/or destruction of evidence charges if they pursued this.
Anyway, at minimum the producer who bought the guns is looking at 70 years and $70,000 in fines.
>>30354982
Yeah, but California's a shithole.
>>30354470
What a lightweight
>>30354543
Absolutely correct
>>30354543
Actually, I don't think that alcoholics who beat the shit out of people should have a gun, cuck.
The number of statists on /k/ being happy about this is terrifying.
>>30354982
isn't that because neighborhood associations are handled by authoritarian stay at home moms with nothing better to do
>>30354593
>You're not equal just because you were born human.
Except that's what it literally says.
>>30352698
>>30352717
Federal law specifies a conviction. Illinois law may only require charges to have been filed to deny a purchase.
>>30350764
What is this website? I would like to see which kind of trainwrecks live near me
>>30354718
Why the fuck aren't people recognizing this? He was denied by the dealer, not the NICS system (which, probably, he fucking should, like the wifebeater he is)
>>30353950
The only exception to that was the sunset of the 94 AWB.
>>30354988
The guy pictured is a cop, and the freak of nature is an American who lived in bongland for a while.
>>30355276
>pretending the antis use logic
>>30351753
The law in Canada is a little funny on that one. Basically, if you buy a "regular" length shotgun, it's illegal to saw the barrel down to sbs length. But if it comes from the factory as an sbs (ie the serbu super shorty), then it's perfectly legal. This is all from memory of course, but I'm 98% positive that this is an accurate tl;dr version of how it works.
>>30355247
nah, then he wouldn't have even had a FOID card at that point, they love to revoke that shit ASAP. however this brings up a good point, why did this jew reporter have a FOID card on hand? that shit takes like a month to get in the mail from time of application.
>>30350901
Isn't this the thing where they interviewed Eugine Stoner about the AR-15 and twisted his words around to make it seem like he hated it? I've been trying to find it but its being drowned out by "OMG HIS FAMILY SAYS HE DIDN'T INTEND IT FOR CIVILIANS BAN IT!"
>>30351102
I know its you, reddit. We've all seen the screencaps. We know you're raiding.
https://youtu.be/B56Dr1Q5Z0k
Let the hate flow through you.
>>30355488
I've said it before and I'll repeat it, I agree that Stoner and the other engineers behind the AR15 would be sad for the innocent people murdered by madmen with their rifles (Kalashnikov regretted that his rifle design was used by terrorists and not exclusively liberators so it's not an unreasonable stretch of logic). But I very much fucking doubt that Stoner thought that civilian ownership of the rifle platform should be banned.
>>30355559
I agree. I'm just trying to find proof.
>>30350619
>>30350518
No, fuck them, fuck any help. If they cant educate themselves then thats their problem. We will continue to embarrass them when they call for legislation that already exists, solutions to problems that dont exist, and provide facts that refute them
Becuase they will never stop, they will never give up, we can educate them to fix the problems we agree exist, then once thats done, they will go right back to chipping away at the very basic ownership. THEY WILL NEVER STOP. So since they will forver be intractable, so shall we. We can not give up one more step, not one inch, not one yard. We need to be strong and resilient. Be one issue voters, fuck everything else.
They will never ever give up until we are no better than Australia or Russia or England.
>>30355597
>we can educate them to fix the problems we agree exist, then once thats done, they will go right back to chipping away at the very basic ownership
I mean, yeah, I just don't see the issue with fixing the stuff both sides can agree is broken. Obviously don't give an inch on anything that will actually impact us, but I don't see the harm in working together when we can.
>>30355555
>2A only is for militias
Ah, libtards proving they don't understand complex sentences
>>30355597
This kind of hostility should be reserved for people who refuse to learn. Moderates who trust that the media isn't lying to them exist, anon and nothing ever gets solved by building walls of communication. Granted there are plenty of extremists you shouldn't waste time trying to convert, but for every extremist there is at least one person who can see the error of their ways and is hungry for knowledge. Some of them just don't know where to look.
>>30349889
One parenthese for each point on the Star of David
>>30355654
Also proving that they don't understand the fact that the US has a very well defined militia.
It includes all males between 17 and 45 who are, or have declared intent to become, citizens of the United States, and all members of the national guard.
So when they say that only militias should have guns, what they're really saying is that women and the elderly should be disarmed so that only young adult men have firearms.
>>30355682
Plus you can say that anyone older than 45 can't have guns, it's ageist, and if women can't then it's sexist.
>>30355555
>citizens did not own weapons before the 70s
Holy shit how can they be so delusional
>>30355682
>>30355706
And the disabled! "Able-bodied" is one of the requirements, so they really are saying that they want to disarm women, the disabled, and middle-aged to elderly people.
Despicable.
>>30351138
Well I highly doubt there are many preschool aged cops in the first place so my guess is it would be plausible.
(((((((((((((Steinberg))))))))))]]
/pol/ is right again.
>>30353950
Lets be real here.
The REAL reason these places have higher crime is because the more apparent cultural and racial friction.
There is no helping them.
>>30355488
>>30355559
>>30355585
Of course he wouldn't, he's the one who put it on the civilian market in the first place.
The following is another anons' work:
Eugene Stoner invents AR-10 using 7.62 NATO in the mid-1950s
>Army doesn't want it
>Fairchild designer Jim Sullivan takes AR-10 and scales down the design to use 5.56 NATO
>This become the AR-15
>Begins selling select fire versions to law enforcement while still trying to sell it to militaries
>Money troubles, ArmaLite sells rifle to Colt
>Colt begins selling semi-automatic AR-15 to civilians in 1963
>US military adopts M16 in 1964, becoming the standard issue rifle in 1969
>Eugene Stoner dies in 1997, having lived to see his rifle in the hands of civilians and see a few misuse it (and other firearms) in mass shootings
It's very hilarious when you consider Eugene Stoner made the ar system for a hunting rifle
https://www.google.com/patents/US2951424
and that the deadly tumbling 5.56 round was made without any ballistics in mind at all just an attempt to make full automatic more controllable (which failed by the way, even the m16 is not fully controllable which is why we moved to burst fire)
http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2434
http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/M14_RHAD_Online_Edition_061010.pdf
>TLDR this statement is factually bullshit, stoner not only made the system for civilians first, but also in a much larger more damaging caliber.
>>30355897
And I almost forgot.
>>30355951
it just looks so perfect
>>30351113
No, I just don't go to /pol/.
>>30355559
What does it fucking matter how he'd feel? I'm pretty sure the first cavemen to lob a stick with a sharp rock tied to it would feel like shit to know that hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of innocent people would eventually get run through with the same thing. That doesn't mean we should shelve the entire concept.
Talking like this gives the antis ammo. Stop.
>>30355897
>(which failed by the way, even the m16 is not fully controllable which is why we moved to burst fire)
Bullshit, 3-round burst was added as an ammunition saver mechanism so they wouldn't have to train troops up as much, M4A1s are easy to control in FA.
From his actual article
>the only aspect relevant to the national debate is the “standard issue 30-round magazine” which holds a nightclub-clearing 30 bullets.
>>30356161
>M4A1s are easy to control in FA
He was talking about M16s, not M4 carbines.
>>30356172
kek
>>30356172
>nightclub-clearing 30 bullets
Must have missed those right next to xm193 I just picked up
>>30356172
love how his first thought is shooting up a nightclub
goes well with the drunkard wife beating
>>30356172
>nightclub-clearing 30 bullets.
Are these next to the museum quality bakelites I've been looking for?
>>30352012
>>30351138
Based on CDC data preschoolers' (ages 0-4) firearms deaths are:
Accidental discharge: ~30
Suicide: 0
Homicide: ~52
Firearms, undetermined intent: 1
If you widen the data set to include ages 0-14 it's:
Accidental discharge: ~70
Suicide: ~395
Homicide: ~194
Firearms, undetermined intent: 8
It's disingenuous to include people above the age of 5 as "preschoolers" (especially teens and preteens), so the actual numbers for preschoolers are probably actually very close to the numbers for 0-4 despite omitting year 5.
>>30351010
Who the fuck you think we are? California? There isn't any water rationing shit in Az.
>>30356172
Are those the same as the child-annihilating bullets?
>>30355640
>Fighting gun control
>Hurts us
you're not fooling anyone reddit
>>30350764
I can only hope that is a troll account.
>>30355425
Even longer than that. Mine took almost 3 months
>>30354279
>Ontario where to hunt moose, deer, or bear, you only need a centerfire cartridge. Technically .25ACP
talk about your cherry tapping.
>>30355951
What year did this ad first appear?
>>30355488
You might be thinking of Kalashnikov's "I would rather have made a tractor."
>>30356511
No, he's not lying. Stoner's surviving family claimed that he designed the gun for military use only.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356
>>30356551
they an always give the money back if that is how they feel
>>30356560
Hah. The patent for the AR15 expired years ago so they'd probably make some BS excuse regarding that if anyone tried to call them out. In fact they do decry the patent expiring in the article I linked.
>>30351137
Literally happened in Lost Wages last weekend. homeless, illegal Britbong tried to steal a cop's gun to shoot God Emperor Donald Trump.
kek
>>30356172
Where can I find these 30 round fag-annihilaters at?
>>30356483
Where I pulled it from first said 50 years ago, and that was posted in 2013.
I can confirm it appeared AT LEAST as early as 1964, which agrees with other sources stating it was introduced on the civilian market around then.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1964-COLT-New-223-Rem-cal-AR-15-SPORTER-Auto-Hunting-Rifle-gun-Magazine-Ad-6290-/371610235626?hash=item5685b232ea
>>30354564
They probably refer to private sales, putting agency in the hands of the individual is scary to liberals.
>>30351102
>Gun nuts are basically like religious zealots.
No, if we were religious zealots you would be defending us no matter how absurd it would be, and blaming the GOP.
>>30356573
And he was even partially weapons trained.
>>30356573
sadly that limey didnt get shot.
>>30356193
It doesn't make a difference. Skilled FA use is a matter of training, and at the time the switch to burst was made combat history of the weapon was in Vietnam, and the lack of training in FA meant a lot of ammo was wasted.
>>30354625
>convicted of crimes of domestic violence
Emphasis on convicted.
>>30356774
>>30354543
"I deserve special treatment!"
>>30349889
>>30354944
ahahaha how the fuck is water scarcity real ahaha just build an earthship, like close your water cycle
>>30354652
I thought the civil rights act forces business owners to do business with people they don't like if it's over sex, race, religion, political beliefs, etc
i.e Christians and fagcakes
>>30354543
#CorrectTheRecord
>>30357139
There are ways they can deny sales.
Many hardware stores literally sell flamethrowers, but they're not going to sell them to you unless you've got a roofer's licence. Restaurant wholesalers don't sell unless you've got a business tax number from the state. Gun stores don't sell if they think that you would be dangerous to yourself or others once you got your hands on a firearm. I've seen people tossed out and refused any purchase because they asked to see a display gun and then started waving it around like retards or directly pointing it at people.
>>30352097
This, sadly.
>>30354543
>you go into an argument with your girlfriend
>girlfriend
You know what board this is, right?
>>30357192
yeah, but what I'm saying is that it's against the law to put up a sign that reads "no fags allowed" and then refuse service to anyone just because you believe they may be homosexual
>>30357139
Sort of
What is allowed
>My business isnt serving you
What isnt allowed
>My business isnt serving you fucking fags
As long as you dont say WHY you are refusing service, its ok. The problem comes when those cake bakers say its because they are gay
