Do you think it's reasonable to say that aside from the Garand and 1911, the US small arms of WW2 were quite mediocre?
Almost every American combatant had a semi-automatic, so I'd say that they were far ahead of the average foot soldier of the Axis.
>>30349179
The M1 carbine was ahead of it's time. The M3 was a great submachine gun.
The BAR worked, although I will agree that it was considerably outdated by WWII.
>>30349179
They were excellent for the time.
They did their job reliably.
Today they would be heavily ineffective.
Except the M3 and 1911, cause reasons.
>>30349179
M3 and Thompson were god tier though
>>30349179
No.
The M1 carbine was good, too. As we all know, "winter jackets" is a continual military meme for people being unable to actually hit their target.
>>30349179
Really? I'd say the US put more effort into the individual soldier's weapons than the other countries.
Besides, the M1 Carbine was a great underated weapon, and the BAR is one of those things that really only work in context of American ways.
Best assault rifle: Stg44
Best bolt action: Lee Enfield
Best smg: Ppsh41
Best pistol: Colt 1911
Best MG: MG42
Best semi auto: Gewehr 43
Best grenade: Stielhandgranate
Best sniper: Kar98k
>>30349222
>The M3 was a great submachine gun.
It has some pretty big glaring flaws like the shitty cocking mechanism. Seriously, how hard is it to put a simple non reciprocating charging handle on the bolt?
>>30349298
they are pretty unreliable
Worst post: >>30349320
>>30349320
>1911
>Better than the Hi Power
yea ok
>>30349320
You're the worst part about mass shootings
>>30349320
G43 was shit in reality, jammed all day buddy. M1 Garand or m1 carbine are the correct answers
>>30349359
>m1 Carbine not having atleast 1 malfuntion every two mags
>>30349320
It's all right man I've started shitposting more too now that COD:WAW has too many hackers
>>30349320
>bolt action
>sniper rifle
Call of duty teir knowledge
Also m2 was the best mg
>>30349179
The bazooka was so successful the Germans copied it. The M1919 was pretty good and the M2 is still in active service today. The M2 flamethrower was excellent. Grenades, although dated by today's standards, were typical of the era.
Americans still considered German small arms to be of equal or better quality, save for maybe the 98k vs M1.
>>30349371
Change your mag springs faggot
>>30349320
>Best assault rifle: Stg45
>Best bolt action: Type 99
>Best smg: Suomi m31 or Beretta 38
>Best pistol: Vis35
>Best MG: MA DUCE
>Best semi auto: SKS or M1 Carbine
>Best grenade: Stielhandgranate
>Best sniper: Unironically the Mosin
Fixed that for you, buddy
>>30349327
Okay. Design it
>>30349320
>g43
>good
>>30349395
DShK gets a shout out too for full fuck you bullet
>Best assault rifle: Kalashnikov
>Best bolt action: Kalashnikov
>Best smg: Kalashnikov
>Best pistol: Kalashnikov
>Best MG: Kalashnikov
>Best semi auto: Kalashnikov
>Best grenade: Kalashnikov
>Best sniper: Kalashnikov
>>30349480
Nah, No.4 mk1 was a better infantry rifle than the type 99. If the Brits made it fire a rimless round it would be god-tier.
>>30349582
You think so?
I put the Arisaka in my list because of just the raw quality on them, and the strength of their recievers.
The quality might have dropped as the war went on, but the reciever is still GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL
>>30349480
Arisakas at the beginning of the war were good but quality reached garbage teir fast.
>>30349327
On the M3A1, it became even simpler, deleting the charging handle for a simple finger hole in the bolt.
Even with the admittedly odd charging handle, the M3 is not at all a bad SMG.
Personally I did not like that the magazines needed assistance to load (via a tab in.on the stock), but both the the MP38/40 and STEN needed loading tools to fill the mags, so this gets a pass.
>guns none of us have experience with thread
>shaped opinions on them due to extensive non-experience with them
day/k/are at its finest.
>>30349482
>>30349663
All bolt actions and semi autos are surplused the fuck out. Half of k owns a mosin
>>30349663
It's almost 10pm though.
>>30349243
The 1911 is still in use in some parts of the world. Though it's outclassed mainly due to it's high recoil, and small magazine size. Fitting a meager 7+1 rounds per reload. When even the base M9 with a stock mag fits 10+1 whilst offering smaller recoil in comparison
>>30349663
Sometimes I feel like one of the only people here that's actually fired most of the common WWII rifles, pistols, SMG's, and MG's.
>>30349638
The finger hole is even worse.
>>30349672 is what they should have done
>>30349709
>8+1 rounds of .45
That's plenty for almost anything outside of the most intense warfare.
>>30349709
Is this bait?
>>30349636
Fudd lore. They only skimped finishing, machining Gucci, and welded more (safety, nose cap). Actual quality didn't dip, just material shortages made them bare bones.
Last ditches are ugoo as fuck though
>>30349709
>>30349736
This needs to be bait. First of all, 8+1 mags are a thing. Second, try 15.
>>30349715
One of the few, that's for certain.
>>30349751
thats still tiny compared to modern 9mm, dont even get me started on xbox hueg double stack .45s
>>30349751
>+1 in any military side arm.
You dumb niggers, that shit is unloaded until it's needed, stop injecting that glocknade bullshit
>>30349709
>Though it's outclassed mainly due to it's high recoil,
You've never shot one before
>and small magazine size.
Double stack 1911s exist, and can be had for under $500
They have more capacity than a Glock 21
>>30349770
>dont even get me started on xbox hueg double stack .45s
And double stack 9mms aren't?
lol
>>30349751
>A post is bait based on misremembering things
Well excuse me you fucking princess. I havent held an M9 in my hands for almost seven years now.
>>30349320
>Best semi auto: Gewehr 43
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Spot the dumb wehraboo
>Best grenade: Stielhandgranate
>Best sniper: Kar98k
>>30349774
Double stack means 7x2 14
Glock 21 has 21 bullets , hence the name dumbass
No.4 Mk.i was a pretty good rifle. Fast shooting, good sights.
The Type 38 also was very good, one of the best for sure. I prefer the Type 38 over the Type 99, but I could see arguments made for the Type 99 being better (this is not counting the substitute Type 99, which is essentially a different model, but it's main problems were being ugly and having fixed sights. Substitute T99's work perfectly fine)
The M91/30 was also rather good. It mainly gets a bad rap because of how shitty the cold war era reworks everyone has are. Actual WWII era examples function flawlessly.
The 98k is good, but has shitty as hell sights for combat shooting. I don't know why the Germans kept the tiny as fuck V notch ^ post. That one thing makes a LOT of otherwise great rifles of the era not so good IMO.
>>30349789
Have you held a pistol before?
>>30349719
>The finger hole is even worse.
And yet elegantly simple and effective. Serves as a safety when the dust cover is closed, and as a method for cocking the piece, without having a long cut in the receiver to accommodate a cocking handle.
They are not at all bad to use, try one if you get a chance.
>>30349749
A great deal of the "Crap Arisaka" rap comes from the various look-alike training rifles the Japanese used, and turned in enmasse post surrender.
>>30349816
Wondering what it's like?
>>30349793
TEN FUCKING ROUNDS
>>30349827
He's right in California :(
This is possibly the shittiest version of this thread I've EVER seen on /k/. I'm almost impressed.
>>30349582
>>30349605
I think it would be fair to say that although the Arisaka is excellent, taking the best of a lot of bolt action designs. The Lee Enfield although having a relatively weak action was a better combat bolt action. It could have been a lot better if chambered in a rimless cartridge i do agree though
>>30349837
Shut up juden kike
>>30349672
This just seems like an all too easy way to get dirt in the action.
>>30349480
>Best sniper: Finnish M39 Mosin
Fixed.
>>30349715
Forgive my ignorance but what is this rifle?
>>30349999
Quads checked.
But man what a retarted post... The Finnish M39 is among one of the best bolt actions in the worrld.
However is it -the- best? Well I cant say. I've never shot any Arisakas, or 98k's or the likes. But I can say with... 70% certainty that you wont find a better Mosin Nagant rifle than the M39
>>30349819
I'd rather have a regular charging handle if I had cold or broken fingers. When literally every SMG has one I don't know why they couldn't have just stuck a rod on the side of the bolt. Maybe it's not that bad but it bothers me because it doesn't look to be friendly to people with arthritis or missing fingers
>>30349565
top kek
>>30349812
http://eu.glock.com/english/magazines_compat.htm
> glock 21 has 21 bullets in it
> doesn't know why glock 17 is actually called glock 17
>kys
>>30350063
Are you a millennial that just skims shit or what? I said the M39 was top notch.
>>30350171
Because it can shoot 17 bullets in one clip you stupid fuck, go back to modern warfare 2
>>30350216
never played it
>>30349327
You'd have to redesign the bolt and introduce at least a couple new parts. The gun was designed to be BASIC BITCH SIMPLE AND CHEAP TO MAKE.
That does NOT translate directly to "Excellent gun"
>>30349715
I've fired a M1903, M-1 Garand, Colt 1911, BAR, K-98, Enfield, and a Luger. That's all I got for you.
>>30350216
>bullets in one clip you stupid fuck, go back to modern warfare 2
no its because Gaston Glock filed 17 patents on it, Dumbass
>>30349812
R U FKN SRS?
>>30349179
Hell no
>>30349198
MANY had boltguns
>>30349327
reciprocating > nonreciprocating, get good
>>30349320
Seriously consider killing yourself.
>StG44
was a piece of shit carbine not designed to be user-serviced. It, like most all open bolt (Mkb 42) guns converted to closed bolt, sucked huge dicks.
>Enfield
What, because it had a double stack mag? The Mauser action is universally considered to be one of the, if not the, best action ever created.
>PPSh
Try the PPS, M3, Sten, or Owen Gun
>1911
Hi Power, PP, P38/HP
>MG42
Educate yourself
>G43
You are actually factually retarded. The G43 is a technical monstrosity, as are both G41s.
>Stielhandgranate
off with his head
>sniper
a sniper is a person, anon
>>30350201
>>30350231
>>30350251
Are you all really this stupid
>>30349770
You missed the point.
>>30349773
Depends on the situation.
>>30349793
You were never in.
>>30350002
Appears to be a '95 Mannlicher carbine, a rather neat straight pull, charger fed rifle.
Today I'm sorry for making this thread. Sorry.
>>30350301
Consider sudoku
>>30350326
sudoku? the puzzle game?
>>30350269
>G43 was a technical monstrosity.
Massive improvement over the G41 series. Really not that incredibly complicated to other comparable guns.
>MANY GI's had boltguns
Who and how many?
>>30350081
Good thing it was issued to soldiers, not old people or cripples.
>>30350269
>many had boltguns
Yeah, the Muhrines did for a little while because they resisted adopting the M1. Semi autos or submachine guns were standard issue.
>>30349179
This thread is terrible.
Op, mediocre might be fair if a bit harsh. They were more than adequate to the task and what more could one ask of a small arm? This was world war fucking 2; the ability to make enough of them, get it there, maintain it, and keep it supplied matters a lot more than trivial differences between weapons of a similar design or use that a game designer would exaggerate so that the bar on the stats of a weapon are different in a ww2 themed arena shooter.
There were some great options for other nations (better bolt actions, maybe better mgs though this is not an area with which I'm too familiar) but the US had "good enough" small arms for any role I can think of off the top of my head.
Any legitimate complaints sound like either "the Thompson is too heavy" or "maybe using the BAR on a squad level in place of a belt fed mg wasn't such a great idea" and are more issues of doctrine than the tool used in that role.
>>30349179
What the fuck rifle is that at the bottom of the case?
>>30350286
>>30350002
It is a Hungarian 35M. A turn-bolt, not a straight-pull.
>>30349179
>tfw i own 5 of the 6 guns in that picture
>>30350595
m1 Garand 2, electric boogaloo
1911 was outdated.
High Power existed and was the best service pistol of the war.
>>30349320
Its Time
>>30350269
>You are actually factually retarded. The G43 is a technical monstrosity, as are both G41s.
you are so stupid you might be a liberal
![1369140193810[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/SbJP4KW.png "1369140193810[2].png")
>>30349730
>Spend 4 rounds on a guy up close
>Phew, better reload
>Second guy catches you with your pants down
>>30349320
>G43
>Taking the action of the beyond fucked G41 and slapping an SVT-40's gas system on it
Nigga, even the fucking Germans thought the SVT-40 was a better rifle, and the SVT-40 was already finicky as fuck.
>>30349320
bro, fuck the uneducated/inexperienced haters, good list.
PPSH and 98k sniper are debatable (they had peers that were as good, if not better) and MG34 > 42, but rest of that list is perfect
>>30349480
>Best semi auto: SKS
Are you a Battlefield 1 dev? The SKS didn't see use in WWII besides prototypes in the very last stages of the war.
>>30349320
Fucking newfags.
>>30352626
there were a few in use during the very end of the war.
>>30349179
Depends.
M3 was okay-ish.
BAR is funny because US army could buy version similar to the export ones(that had quick replaceable barrel, different stocks, better bipod etc.) but chosen not to. So it was mediocre but it wasn't its fault.
M1 Carbine was good.
Thompson was outdated.
>>30349320
>Best semi auto: Gewehr 43
No.
>>30350269
>The Mauser action is universally considered to be one of the, if not the, best action ever created.
Isn't Lee Enfield action said to be better though? As in - faster/more fluid?
>>30352853
>Lee Enfield action said to be better though?
maybe, but the Mauser is the most copied, sssssooooooo yyyeeeeaaaahhhhh
>bill lumberg.jpg
>>30349179
While loved by the troops, on a nerd tech level, the tommy gun was a out of date and I would not have felt bad with a grease gun.
Technically the same can be said about the BAR but once again, troops loved it and soldiers fighting in future cold war still loved it.
I dare say the BAR was even more successful and liked by soldiers, mercs, rebels and terrorist than the bren gun despite being kept moth balled in armorys by british and commonwealth troops up until 2006.
>>30349179
the M1 and 1911 were breddy gud for their time
the BAR was hot shit with its introduction in WWI but was hot shit in a different sense by WWII (updated variants excepted) the M1 carbine was arguably the first PDW and a decent one at that. The Thompson was comfy to hold but straight trash in all other respects
>>30349320
>Gewhr 43...best?
While it was near the bottom of your list, I stopped reading there.
>>30352853
its faster and maybe slightly smoother than a mauser action, at the expense of being much weaker. theres nothing a lee action does better than a mauser action that a straight pull doesnt do even better.
>>30349565
Technically all possible with variant models and attachments.
>>30350356
Marines mostly. And some Army guys in Africa.
>>30349179
What is the BAR
>>30353066
git out
>>30349709
>1911
>high recoil
no
>>30349179
MA DUCE
A
D
U
C
E
>>30349814
B... but Anon one of my favourite parts of the 98k is the sights...
Also, just going to throw this out there, from my reading about the Pacific Theatre I was interested to find that despite the BAR being outdated, a lot of soldiers respected and appreciated BAR gunners, most especially for setting up a pretty heavy base of fire that was fairly portable. I just always found that interesting, how the BAR is widely considered a dated design during its service in WW2, but a fair bit of soldiers who served spoke very fondly of the men that used them and their utility in the field.
>>30349320
>Best assault rifle: Stg44
Well, I guess you're technically correct
>>30353157
>everybody that hates hose
it looks like a cold war rifle trials entry and that makes me hard as diamonds, all it needs is a caseless duplex flechette load and revolving grenade launcher.
>>30353157
>>30353129
>a fucking machine gun that fires fifty fucking caliber boolets
>>30353213
little mad but cool 5/10
>>30350595
Johnson rifle
>>30349773
>noy carry a 1911 cocked and locked.
Nobody really had "good" small arms in WW2.
In fact, small arms are actually pretty irrelevant except for machine guns.
So I guess you could say that Germans had the best small arms while the Americans were not too hot.
>>30353351
So, what you're saying is.
Pistols and SMGs are classified as tiny arms?
>>30349395
>Lee Enfield
>Sniper Rifle
Get the fuck outta here
>>30349179
The m1 carbine and the Thompson/Grease guns were great though.
They laid down a lot of portable fire and let millions of american troopers have good repeating or full auto fire in urban combat.
>>30349222
If only the BAR was belt fed...it could have been awesome.
>>30353586
The Swedes tried that. Didn't really work.
>>30349320
"Best Semi Auto: Gewehr 43"....Jesus, japan better watch out for my sides.
>>30353128
>.45ACP
>Having recoil equal to the M9, a 9mm gun
Browning was a genious no doubt, but fuck me if those two guns have the same recoil. Because they do not.
>>30350778
Ah, missed the difference in knob location.
Mea culpa. Eyes are getting old.
>>30349320
Best bolt action is the Mauser 98, don't you ever forget that.
>>30349709
my cousin in-law carries a 92FS with a 10 round mag, I was like wtf why are you carrying a full-size 9mm with a single stack magazine?
But I guess if you really want the fullsize and don't want to carry 5 more rounds of ammo it almost makes sense.
>>30353997
>a weaker bullet has weaker recoil!
Durrr!!!
1911's hardly even recoil and do so softly.
>>30349222
The M3 rusted like a mother fucked. Marines hated that Shit when it was issued.
>>30349179
They'd have been crap for a country that couldn't afford to make shit no matter the inefficiency.
The Thompson, for example, was idiotically expensive and slow to make (with other flaws like weight) but that doesn't matter shit all to the USA. Taking cost out of the equation it's fine.
The M1 Carbine's major flaw is introducing a snowflakey cartridge into your logistics. Again a problem for anyone who isn't the USA. Otherwise (as others have said) it's a fine weapon.
The B.A.R. is again somewhat costly and obviously has big issues but it's still likely better than another Garand.
>>30353213
That Enfield-like nosecap does things to my dick.
>>30349320
Best assault rifle: AK
Best bolt action: Carcano
Best smg: Reising
Best pistol: Nagant
Best MG: Type 11
Best semi auto: SKS
Best grenade: Type 97
Best sniper: Garand
If you're going to be a shitter, put some effort into it, my man.
>>30354328
Best assault rifle: AR-15 or Assault Rifle 15
Best bolt action: the brown and black one
Best smg: AR-15 or assault rifle 15
best pistol: glock?
best mg: AR-15 or assault rifle 15
>>30354295
Adding on to this after a quick search (not 100% on these numbers but they seem reliable enough and I've heard some of these numbers elsewhere):
1. M1 Garand is about four times as expensive as the K98.
2. M1 Carbine is twice as expensive as K98.
3. M2 is 15 times (!) the cost of an MG42.
4. M1919 is 5 times the cost of an MG42.
5. Bren is half the cost of a B.A.R. for comparable utility
Costs for the USA dropped a bit as designs were simplified and experience gained etc.
Or again the US small arms were expensive for what they did but that doesn't matter shit all to such a massive industrial power.
>>30354400
Oh and the BAR is 3 times the cost of the MG42 or about twice the MG34.
>>30349330
I have a 1943 Winchester carbine and it's never given me problems.
Audie Murphy preferred it over the Garand, partially because of its handiness, and he never had any problems with it.
>>30354406
Also maybe because he was a tiny little motherfucker.
>>30349320
Nah,
Best bolt action : Arisaka 99
Best pistol : Walther P38
Best semiauto : Tokarev SVT-40
>>30349582
A rifle with only one locking lug and that at the rear of the bold, a design outdated even before the Boer war?
Yea, right,
>>30349179
>US small arms of WW2 were quite mediocre
Dude man like the U.S. were the first nation to standardize Sulfur Free powder and primers in 1920. IMP program Ironically produced more power to the .30-06 in 1916 due to the absence of Potassium sulfide and only 1% Potassium Sulfate (a salt that does not burn)* of composition just enough so it "reduces" mussel flash. Everyone not Briton or France had to mine sulfur all day and got rusted barrels and gas systems (G41). If the U.S. never made the switch from the old smokeless formula, the M1 rife would have been a failure.
*Not salt causes oxidization, therefor rust.
>>30350269
>MANY had boltguns
Only the USMC had and were the only users of the M1903A3's up until the beginning of 1942 when the M1 completed in replacing every active service rifle. The 1903A3 was only used in 1 battle and raid.
Protip: They were only in the Pacific, and there were fewer Marines than Army in that Theater.
>>30349320
>Best assault rifle: Stg44
Ha Ha, nice one buddy.
>>30354463
Never actually seen an Enfield bolt in person have you? The No4 action is also about 40 years younger than the Boer war.
>>30354687
>Ha Ha, nice one buddy.
Out of interest what other assault rifles were there in the war (not counting obscure prototypes)?
Obviously the Stg45 in limited numbers and the Mkb42 was inferior.
>>30352811
>there were a few in use during the very end of the war.
Yet nobody know who, where, and when they began or used it, especially when there were 3:1 PPSH to 91/30, 1 DP per regular squad, M38/44 for rear line and support/tank crews by Berlin. The only game in WW2 that had the SKS was Men at War: Assault Squad 2, and it was patched in just like the Centurion mk.II.
>>30354733
>>30354687
>Out of interest what other assault rifles were there in the war (not counting obscure prototypes)?
Though come to think of it isn't an M2 Carbine arguably an assault rifle? It seems to match all the criteria I can think of certainly and it was around for most of 1945-46 in enough number to be more than a prototype.
>>30354751
I agree with your argument on the M2 carbine technically being an assaulter's rifle.
They were even being used as late as the early days of the Vietnam War, and throughout the Korean War.
>>30354784
Doing a little digging it turns out it was supposed to be select fire right from the start too (i.e. M1).
>>30353586
>30-06 belt fed machine gun
>what is the 1919
dumbass
>>30350374
i just spit coffee everywhere
>>30354733
The assault rifle concept was still in development, however Fascism creates outstanding bureaucracy. At the time anything with similar performances in an urban environment without limitations of effective range. There were no need for the original trench sweepers to be replaced. After the lesson at Stalingrad, a better weapon was needed for a newer environment and tactics.
The original plan was to just have everyone with G41's, then G43's with standardized 4x scopes (hmmm). But because Fascism is the zenith of Fallout tier Capitalism, the military branches all had a limited budget for themselves given by the administration to purchase the weapons. From different factories still competing each other during wartime, instead of the nation diverting manpower to produce one thing. So if you wondered why there are still more K98's than any other of the many German smallarms at the end of V-E day, now you know.
>>30354800
John Basilone plz go.
>>30354913
I'm well aware of the terrible mismanagement of German industry (with the exception of 1944 when Speer got shit done, ofc).
My question was just what other assault rifles exist that were better than the Stg44 (or just others that existed). If it's more or less the only one around it's the best by default, after all.
>>30354913
>>30354966
Also weren't the G43s with scopes abandoned when it was discovered they were terribly inaccurate?
On paper it's a great idea to standardise scopes (and produce all rifles with mounts) particularly with the clusterfuck that was German production of scoped rifles at the time. They had something like 8 different mounts in use, for example and each scope had to be hand-fitted to a specially modified rifle.
>>30349999
Witnessed
>>30353204
There isn't a man alive I wouldn't suck off (to completion) for the bottom of those two weapons.
>>30354966
I suppose the FG42 beats out the MP44 but it is classed as a battle rifle as its in a full sized cartridge. It fits nicely in that role though.
![FG42[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xksXX0Y.jpg "FG42[1].jpg")
Best gun of wwii tbf
>>30355199
>I suppose the FG42 beats out the MP44 but it is classed as a battle rifle as its in a full sized cartridge. It fits nicely in that role though.
I'd certainly agree it was both a battle rifle and a better weapon though from an industrial point of view the Stg44 was a better gun.
>>30349715
Its because we are. How thr fuck has this thread survived holy fuck fay /k/are plis go and stay go. Stop making threads and talking about guns none of you have ever even seen irl let alone can even talk about.
>>30349179
The garand was pretty shite too desu desu fampai.
Yet another thing that MacArthur fucked up.
>>30352938
The Enfield action was stronger than the straight pulls of the time and significantly cheaper.
>>30356036
>The garand was pretty shite too
Said no one with any knowledge ever.
>>30356085
>Enfield
>Stronger than the Ross
>Stronger than the M95
No.
>>30349715
I've shot an M91 Finn mosin, a 91/30 russian mosin, and a 1903A3
