Just how effective were the famous British Commandos of WW2?
They might have killed one or two dudes, I dunno
>>30341545
They sucked balls. They were a snowflake unit who people only thing are cool because of their meme knives and berets. If you want to see a real special forces group look at the US Rangers, they slaughtered in Italy and went up a cliff face on D-Day.
All in all, a failed experiment that the USA adapted into the successful Ranger program.
>>30341545
Who am i to judge the efficiency of British Commandos?
>>30341648
I don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid worked out pretty well. If totally batshit insane.
>>30341648
Ha! Made me chuckle.. Wrong, but funny..
>>30341648
/Thread
Rangers > Commandos
>>30341756
>Fails to explain why the Brits were getting their shit kicked in before armerica saved the day.
Typical brit wanking over your sub standard military. We won the war for you, don;t think otherwise.
Now enjoy your cuck license for that bolt action .22 and shut the fuck up.
>>30341798
>We
Says the basement dweller
>>30341798
Team USA!!
>Turned up late for WWI
>Turned up late for WWII
>Couldn't win in Korea
>Lost Vietnam
>Beat up some little kids in Central America
>Didn't know what to do in Somalia
>Pulled up early in Gulf War 1
>Called the game too early in Gulf War 2 ("Mission Accomplished?!?"
>Stalemate in Afghanistan (... ummm wat r we doin' here now Bin Laden is ded?!)
Nothing quite as sad as fat people who wouldn't be eligible for military service arguing about people who weren't fat and actually did serve in the military.
>>30341965
>autistic Britcucks
>on /k/
Pretty good propaganda.
Little to no strategic effect.
>>30341984
the truth hurts, m8
>>30341648
Fuck off vatnik. I know you're false flagging. Go wank to shortstack Putin gay porn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Biting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Musketoon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Checkmate_(commando_raid)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chindits#Operation_Longcloth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_Beach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Beach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Roast
Considering how much they got their shit slapped in Market Garden I'm going to say not very.
>>30341648
>D-Day
Rangers were badass as fuck. But Commandos did something cool too, fought up the beach and made more progress inland than any other force on D-Day. About 12 miles with sporadic pockets of enemy on the way to fight through. Then attacked and took an enemy village that was heavy defended and supported by fire from German ships in the port area.
Some of them had lost their weapons and even boots to the sea when they were coming ashore.
Look up Port-en-Bessin
pic related.
>>30341965
Hey bucktooth limey, can you quit being butt hurt that you're weaker than France and your former colonies?
>>30343247
>commandos =/= paras
Also the failing of top brass are hardly a representation of a unit's performance. The Paras did an excellent job all things considered.
>>30342412
>Little to no strategic effect.
They stole and knocked our radar on the french coast. And in doing so gave the UK an insight into how to defeat German radar on their strategic bombing campaign.
They knocked out the only Atlantic dry dock that could service large surface warships. This would force German warships through GUICK and the channel and into the home fleet if they wanted to repair.
The Commandos were pretty much the only infantry unit to have anything resembling a strategic effect on the war. not even the SAS in north Africa came close to that.
>>30343296
You're so butthurt its hilarious. Learn your place.
>>30341798
>Fails to explain why the Brits were getting their shit kicked in before armerica saved the day.
Were they? After the Battle of Britain I'd hardly call it that, fuck in Norway it was the Kiregsmarine that got their shit kicked in.
>>30341545
So its got to the point where /k/ talks shit about Commandos.
I get that its funny to have the odd pop at Britain or other countries, but when its to the detriment of having quality threads, its too much.
>>30343531
This whole thread is full of trolling, don't take it seriously you dumb faggot. Actually pretty much all of 4chan is shitposting now.
>>30341753
>>30343236
>Muh St Nazaire
Everyone who wasn't killed ended up captured. How is that a success?
>>30343521
>Norway
Literally the most irrelevant country in the war after Australia and their wank about "But we fought in N Africa and pacific, honest!"
Face it, Japan did the allies a favor by getting america involved otherwise Hitler would have been in London by 1943.
>>30343236
>EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A RUSSIAN NATIONALIST
Great argument
>>30343349
>They stole and knocked our radar on the french coast.
Strategic bombing was more effective at taking it out and capture only found out what everyone already knew - that the US and UK still lead in radar technology by a substantial amount. Plans were not changed.
>They knocked out the only Atlantic dry dock that could service large surface warships.
Well after the KM surface fleet was left with only a handful of destroyers and were reduced to fleet in being status. Completely worthless.
Meanwhile nothing ever happened to sub pens in France like even the horrifically 'guarded' BETASOM.
>The Commandos were pretty much the only infantry unit to have anything resembling a strategic effect on the war.
That would imply that they had any strategic effect at all.
They were great for propaganda, but in the end they had very little military effect. The biggest thing they did was make it more difficult for resistance movements to operate as their actions were plastered everywhere and the Krauts stepped up their anti-partisan efforts.
>>30343604
>in London by 1943
At least try something more convincing.
>>30343608
Having better radar can't help bomber pilots getting shot down by radar guided AAA. Discovering the technology used by Germany and allowing the UK to implement tactics to confuse and defeat it does help the bomber pilots.
How do you know what length of chaff to use if you don't know exact details of the radar you are trying to defeat. This was in the days before ELINT could tell you these things of course.
Why do you think Tirpitz never sailed in the windows where it wasn't getting mined (by commandos) and bombed by the RAF? Because it had no where left on the Atlantic to dock and repair. This made it pretty much certain it would find the same fate as Bismark.
If those we'rent strategic contributions I don't know what is.
regarding sub pens, they were not attacked for three reasons.
1) we didn't think the Germans would be stupid enough to l;eave them weakly defended.
2) even a hundred man raid would not be able to carry enough explosive to do anything other than temporarily inconvenience the Germans.
3) basing out of France instead of Germany did not give the Germans that much of an advantage. The U-boats could still reach all of the shipping lanes, the best outcome would only see the hunting section of a patrol brought down by a few days to make up for travel time.
>>30343608
>Well after the KM surface fleet was left with only a handful of destroyers and were reduced to fleet in being status
>28th March 1942, the KM only has a handful of destroyers
Unadulterated bullshit.
>Commands
>Anything to do with the resistance
You're thinking of SOE, I use the word 'thinking' lightly.
>>30343604
Fuck off, cunt, Australia was fighting off Japs in the islands, or did you learn WW2 history from American TV programs?
>>30343604
Also, Russia did all the hard work of the European campaign.
It is easy for a young man to beat an old man to death after he has been fighting other men.
America supplied the allies in Europe and committed boots on ground after the Russians and Allied air offensive had already broken the Nazi War machines back.
Autists, control yourselves.
>>30341798
>bolt action .22
Murriclaps sure are fucking dumb.
>>30343769
The tactics were already known and tried by that point and proven to work. German radar was suspected to be approximately metric in detection. In fact the best they could come up with was slightly better, but still nothing compared to the 10cm standard wavelength that Britain was employing at the time, chaff of the era was actually designed to work against 10cm or better, which to something that the Germans were using where their wavelength was nearly 90cm, it was still fantastic if not optimal.
>Mining done by commandos
You'd be far better off looking at the numerous destroyers that did the job than giving credit to commandos instead of the RN.
>3) basing out of France instead of Germany did not give the Germans that much of an advantage.
It was a massive advantage. It allowed the KM to bypass surface patrols in the North Sea and took them out of range of aerial patrol range entirely.
>>30343772
>1942
>KM NOT reduced to Fleet in Being status
Really? The KM surface fleet was completely relegated to FiB status following the second battle of Narvik.
>>30343604
>Hitler would have been in London by 1943.
That would be after he had been forced into retreat inn the east.
After he had been pushed back in north africa
After the Luftwaffe has been crippled by the RAF
After the strategic bombing of Germany had crippled their industry.
After the Kriegsmarine had been hamstrung by the RN.
And about the time the tables were turning on the U-boats.
You know what did happen in 1943 though? The Americans first land engagement with the Germans. Didn't go too well for them if i recall correctly. At least until the British came to their rescue.
America hastened the end of a war that was already on the way to being won. It could of continued to stay out and be a bank to the allies and the outcome would not change.
This 'america won the war stuff is nonsense'.
I can tell you what would've lost the war though, Britain falling to Germany and allowing Hitler to focus all of his attention on the eastern front.
>>30341648
You can't truly make a comparison between the two. Rangers are a larger scale, more conventionally-oriented, specialized infantry unit. The Commandos didn't operate on a scale that was comparable to those of the Rangers and relied on different skill sets to set them apart from the common infantry grunt.
>commandos
>>30343885
>Really? The KM surface fleet was completely relegated to FiB status following the second battle of Narvik.
Nice to know, that isn't what I took issue with, I took issue you with your unmitigated bullshit about the KM just being destroyers.
Although the Fleet in Being thing was partially due to them having nowhere to go once St. Nazaire was gone.
>>30343885
>Sending a BB innfjord
It's like watching a nature show on TV where some little animals think they're safe if their holes and dens and then suddenly a big fucking snake or predatory cat comes in head first to fuck their shit up.
>>30343566
Knocking out St Nazaire prevented any large German surface vessel from heading into the Atlantic and creating havoc at the Atlantic Convoys.
Essentially it made German heavy crusiers and the Tirpitz a waste of resources.
>>30344023
But they were an FiB!!! The Kriegsmarine only had destroyers!!! hurrr
>>30343790
Yeah they fought hard at Iwo Jima, Peleliu, Midway, Okinawa and the Philippines! All the battles that turned the tide of the pacific war!
Oh wait they were busy having a nice big cry about Darwin getting lightly strafed by a few zeroes and fucked about in new guinea for the war.
You didn't win the pacific, the Marine Corp did.
Face it.
>>30341965
Korea was a win when you get down to brass tacks.
>>30343940
Only the destroyers of the KM could even breakthrough the North Sea. That's the point, they were the only things that could be of any actual impact.
>Although the Fleet in Being thing was partially due to them having nowhere to go once St. Nazaire was gone.
It's far easier to argue that they were always a Fleet in Being and their defeats in Norway only strengthened that position.
>>30343941
The whole Norway campaign was a gigantic fuckup, the fuckup just switched sides half way through. The entire western flank of Weserübung should have been sunk by the RN the moment they got out of Willhelmshaven, and then who even knows what the fuck the KM admiralty was thinking at Narvik. The only way it could have been more embarrassing was if the Ark Royale was there sitting at the end of the fjord and just sent bombers out to completely cuck the KM so they'd have no chance of even doing anything against the RN.
>>30343604
summer
>>30343906
>and the outcome would not change.
Except Germany becoming communist and the war raging on for years longer.
>>30343566
It was a success because they completed all the objectives to knock out the drydock and its associated facilities, retard. The operation didn't depend on their survival after the fact, it depended on if the target was destroyed, which it was.
Without the drydock at St. Nazaire, there was no place in the Atlantic for the Tirpitz to get repairs if it was damaged, so the Germans never sent it to the Atlantic out of fear that it couldn't be fixed in theater after a battle. Because of the raid's success, the Tirpitz spent the whole war dicking around doing jack shit in the Arctic.
The whole point was taking that battleship out of the action and the raid did exactly that.
