First Rifle Purchase
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Greetings! First time poster. I have been doing some research. I want your guys' opinion on the Springfield M1A SOCOM II. Is it a great rifle?
>>30325536
Don't do it, OP. That's really a terrible choice for a first rifle.
Most people will probably tell you to buy a Ruger 10/22 for your first rifle, but if you want something you can actually use for home defense or deer hunting, buy an AR.
>>30325579
Okay. Thank you for your input. So..what about a BushMaster ACR?
>>30325536
If you want it, get it, but some things to know:
1. Expensive for what it is
2. Expensive to feed
3. Not as accurate as everyone likes to believe
A lot of people have this image of the M1A/M14 as some GOD OF WAR gun. It's good, and it works, but it's not excellent.
Horrible.
They took a Great Rifle ,the m1a, and added about 5lbs of bullshit rails on the front that are not needed.
The Socom 16 is ok but really a scout or match is better.
If you NEED a 16 inch Barrel get the Socom 16 but ffs do not buy a socom II. They are so front heavy it is ridiculous.
>>30325620
OH JESUS CHRIST NO.
These guns are retardedly expensive for what they are. No after market. Meh QC.
>>30325536
It's made from castings, castings made by Brazilian monkeys.
>>30325620
Look at Aero Precision AC-15 if you want an AR
>>30325660
What he said. I only have mine since I really like the looks of them.
>>30325579
Not OP, but another prospective first time rifle buyer who is looking at an AR. Where to begin? All the manufacturers and configurations is awfully confusing to the layman. All I really want is a 16" AR with a red dot and MAYBE a light, and decent build quality with a budget of around $1000. Recommendations are welcome /k/omerades.
Don't buy a SOCOM. M14s work with 18" barrels and up. Keep it simple, keep it light, modify only as you need to.
>>30325654
>they now have M1A Scout Squads with walnut stocks
Fully erect
>>30325677
I've shot these AR-15 styles many times. Bro has one, father has another. Never was a fan of the design. The sight style isn't my favorite, either. Not sure where to go.
>>30325706
Ruger ar556, s&w m&p, tons of decent budget ars out there.
>>30325706
PSA premium line for upper, whatever the hell you want for lower. There may be other recommendations but that's what I'd suggest. If you don't feel like building, go Windham and get a vortex red dot. Ban, there's your thousand.
I wouldn't recommend building your first lower, but it's not impossible, or even that difficult. It's just much easier after you become familiar with the design, so you can understand why each part goes where it does.
>>30325738
OP here. My budget is around 2K, give or take a few hundred.
>>30325536
Get this. A Daniel Defense DDM4V7LW.
Just make sure it's like pic related and had the M-Lok rail. That's where the industry is heading, it's very lightweight but not TOO light, it's also within your price range if you were looking at an M1A Socom II.
5.56 is plentiful, mags are stupid cheap, and you can put literally anything you want on it. (But really why put more than BUIS, a red dot, a light, and a sling on such a light handy gun?)
>>30325706
You should ask /ARG/
S&W Gen 2 sporter, Ruger 556 are nice ~500 starter rifles. PSA aint bad either.
>>30325758
Buy a decent budget one, such as
>Aero AC15
>Ruger AR556
>M&P15
Or other rifles like that, then spend the rest on attachments, ammo, mags, etc
>>30325758
If you want an AR, grab a Daniel Defense or a Bravo Company model. They're pretty high end, good QC.
Shameless plug for Rainier Arms though. I have one of their models and while expensive, I do like it.
>>30325730
>sight style
You do know you can get different sights, right?
>M1A: Trainwreck Edition
>first rifle
Oh man, I would pay to see how that unfolds.
>>30325738
>>30325748
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll work them into my research. I'm going to avoid building my first rifle. The fewer chances I have to fuck something up, the better, until I learn what's what. Two other questions, 5.56 or .223, and am I going to get fleeced on prices since Orlando just happened or are things not as bad as all that?
Scrub questions I know, but I'm just jumping in to long guns.
>>30325536
>first rifle not made by your own 2 hands
>buying your first rifle
scrubs like you sickens me. If you never so much as made a hardware store pipe muzzle loader as your first fire arms then you are not a man.
>>30325854
556 and 223 are the same caliber, 556 is just mil spec, which means it's a hotter round. If you wanted to save money, you could shoot 223 through an ar15, but it wouldn't be peak performance.
>>30325813
>daniel shit ever
no, no no.
way too much money.
all daniel does is take shit from other places, put a rollmark on it and put it in a DD box. don't spend the 2 grand or whatever on it.
my first AR was a Ruger AR556. spent 650 on it out the door which should give you a shit ton left for ammo.
the only problem with it is that tula 223 steel core will make it malfunction.
>>30325854
>5.56 or .223
Almost all AR-15s are chambered in 5.56 these days, which is good because .223 rifles can't always safely shoot 5.56.
The difference is a few hundred feed per second mostly, but the .223 also demands a slightly tighter chamber, which is where the safety issues come into play.
A new chambering has emerged called .223Wylde, which is a mix of 5.56 and .223 chambering that enhances accuracy which maintaining reliability, but it's not going to matter much unless you're doing some long range competition.
>>30325878
>son, it's time for your first car
>but first, you must build the motor from scratch and I will not help you
>heres a bucket of parts, have fun
this can only end well
>>30325906
>sour grapes the post
They make the majority of their own stuff, they make a fuck ton of barrels and they sell a shit ton of stuff under $2000, more like $1000-$1500
>>30325738
Thought about those guys before, but they all lack chrome lining. And after having dealt with stainless steel barrels and trying to care for it, having a milspec barrel just seems a lot easier to just leave alone and be happy just leaving alone if not in use for a while.
>>30325882
>is just mil spec, which means it's a hotter round.
Not always. .308 is hotter than 7.62x51 NATO.
>>30326384
In that case get a PSA rifle. Their premium line use chrome lined fn barrels. Also DSA makes ars as well as fals, their ars have chrome lining too.
>>30327626
Also windham weaponry. I have one and it's kinda faint but it is chrome lined.
>>30325536
Buy whatever you want, but spend another $200 to also buy a 22 (or a 5.7 or 22WMR) to actually learn to shoot.
Practice makes permanent and empirically you will get a flinch trying to learn on 308.
>>30325642
You can make it sub-MOA with a few modifications, but there's no way around the fact that it is expensive.
A decent receiver mount, for example, is going to run you around $300.
>>30327944
You can make it sub-MOA with a few pricey modifications on an already overpriced rifle, and then experience the joy of it shooting the accurizations you did to it loose within a few hundred rounds.
>>30328062
Mostly just an op-rod and one or two minor parts(around $200 total), no indication that it wears out very quickly though.
>>30325956
You forgot
>And if you screw it up, chances are it will explode and maim you for life.
>>30325536
M1As in general have a bad rap on the internet. I guess there were a few with bad QC issues, and in general it's a premium price to pay for a gun that isn't that high quality. But I actually own a SOCOM 16 (the predecessor to the SOCOM II), and it's not a bad little rifle. I got it as a gift, and if it were up to me I would've gotten the shortest M1A scout instead.
But, long story short it's just not really that good of a buy. There are better options for the same price (like a high end AR-10) that will give you more accuracy and reliability.
I like M1As for the cool factor and the historical significance of the M14, but it's definitely not a practical purchase and wouldn't be the best first gun.
>>30328921
hell, in the $1400~ range, you can get a SA58 line DSA FAL clone, PTR, or a decent sub$2000 AR-10.
>>30325536
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUMv120oCw
"What is it like to fire an AR-15? It’s horrifying, menacing and very very loud.
It felt to me like a bazooka — and sounded like a cannon.
But mostly, I was just terrified.
Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).
The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable."
Gersh Kuntzman
New York Daily News
>>30325906
>puts down Daniel Defense for pricetag
>instead, props up his $650 ruger AR
>uses tula 223
While I agree that DD does get a bit pricey on certain things, they are no different than the other premium makers at that price point. Except iirc, they're a smaller establishment.
>>30329287
We ALL know. Stop posting this.
>we even know about article part 2, vagina boogaloo.
>>30325536
>first rifle
why not start with a Mosin Nagant?
that there, good sir is a mini 14 an autist got his hands on. for two grand, treat yourself with a mini 14, an an ar15. just get both. they are both great guns. the mini 14 is a solid garande style semi-auto for about 700 bucks, and you could also buy a s&w mp15 for 700 with 600 left over for a shit ton of 5.56
>>30325536
Accuracy of a sniper rifle, firepower of an M16
>>30325758
I love my layke tactical. Local to Phoenix if you are.
>>30325878
>Hardware store
Are you pussies seriously not forging your own steel now? Fucking scrubs.
Real men stack their own furnaces.
>>30330045
>first rifle
>not going to school and learning to forge own receiver
I bet OP was gonna buy an "off the shelf" optic too.
Would a cmp garand be a bad first gun?
I've heard bad things about the socom just get the full length one
I didn't understand is it hard to purchase a lower receiver already made?
>>30330828
You buy it the same way you would a completed firearm. Same for a stripped lower too though
>>30330545
Only because ammo is expensive, which means you won't shoot it much, plus if it's your first, 30-06 is a lot of recoil for a beginner.
>>30329839
No. They're used as a dmr. And technically, they have more "firepower"
>>30331191
What's the point of a stripped it doesn't count as one even if it's up to 80%? Also what are the reasons for buying an 80%?
>>30331436
With up to 80% of the machining done, the ATF doesn't consider it a gun, so you don't need to fill out a 4473 or do any background check to buy it. A stripped lower requires a bg check but it means you can purchase exactly the components you want without paying for shit you just want to swap out anyway.
OP M1s are severely overpriced.
For a first rifle I reccomend a Marlin lever action, and buy a Classic Lee Loader to go with your caliber choice.
Lever actions are great first rifles and the straight wall cartridges can be reloaded with minimal tools and experience.
>>30329391
Because they're not $100 anymore.
OP just buy a fucking BCM AR with an Aimpoint if you have $2k to spend. Don't try to buy anything gimmicky or special snowflake for your first rifle.
I'm surprised no one suggested you buy an AK, but the AK market is shit right now, so good job not recommending one, fellow anons.
>>30325536
>I want your guys' opinion on the Springfield M1A SOCOM II
Dont buy it. If you realllly want a short M1A, get the scout that doesnt use proprietary parts.
If you got $2k to waste, save up another $750 and go buy a SCAR17
>>30325775
I bought this for $1400. Can confirm it is really great.
>>30325706
My first AR was from Rock River Arms. I have put a few thousand rounds through it and I have never had a missfire or failure to feed. It is a champ.
My first rifle was Tavor with an aluminum forend even though EVERYONE suggested an AR. I couldn't be happier and I'm a very special snowflake
>>30325775
I really like the aesthetic of this rifle. Anything similar that I can fit ammo and scope into for $1000?
>>30329287
What a fuckin pussy
>>30333082
You might be able to save a little money by parting it out and building it yourself. A lot of companies make M-lok handguards now, but the DD stock and pistol grip are more unique if you really like the look of them.
Just don't cheap out on the barrel of you decide to build your own rifle. That's the hardest part to replace on an AR (albeit easier than it is on most other rifles).
>>30334042
not really looking to build my first rifle because I don't have anyone in my life to help me along. I'd rather buy a complete gun now, learn how it works and everything, then build my own later on down the line
Thanks for the advice though, I'll keep that in mind
>>30332174
What about making your own??
>>30331209
wew lad
