Has anyone used motor oil and atf to both lube and protect your guns from corrosion with any success ? I've read some ATF also have anti fouling properties for the bore (copper/lead)
School me /k/
>>30320587
Motor oil is fine for lube, but tranny fluid is some nasty stuff. It will eat away at any plastic or at the very least, discolor it. But it does clean pretty decently. So maybe you can use atf to clean, then motor oil to lube.
I use motor oil sometimes for rust prevention. I always have some left from oil changes on my bike, so I'm never forced to buy any other oil.
Sometimes I use it for light lubrication but I prefer using grease as lube.
>>30320703
Will ATF effect rubber o-rings?
I was originally just going to use ATF just for the bore because I heard it removes copper/carbon AND lead and just use non-chlorinated break cleaner like gun scrubber
Let me know if you guys have heard otherwise
>>30320768
I thought motor oil didnt prevent corrosion
I've only used motor oil for lube in my guns, I just throw the same high mileage shit from my car in them and they work fine. The one time i tried a little grease in my glock it would fail to go into battery occasionally. Never tried anything else but motor oil since then.
>>30320834
Regular atf will definitely destroy o rings. You can try using aft with no detergent and see if that works. But idk if it will. You can also use stuff like lucas oil. That stuff is thick and will definitely protect your stuff. On second thought, if you're going to use any type of motor vehicle lubricant on your gun, try using stuff with no detergent as detergent as it can deteriorate some stuff. Only use lubes with detergent to clean, not store.
OP here. This is the stuff I ordered. Havoline 10w30. Has anti corrosion properties but also detergency (is that the same thing as a detergent?)
Pic shows description
>>30321137
All those additives are not ideal for guns, but I guess you can try.
>>30320587
ive been using motor oil on my guns for years with no issue.
only minor complaint is its tendency to attract dust
>>30320587
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/lubrication-101/
It works, but there's better.
>>30320877
This guy has the right idea. Motor oil is pretty great as a gun lube, not to mention it's cheaper than dirt compared to almost any 'dedicated lube'.
I use Shell Rotella T6 (synthetic diesel oil) and it works like a charm.
Then again, I also clean my FAL with gasoline, so maybe I'm not the best guy to ask.
>>30320587
Outers gun oil on everything
TW-25b on things that slide
Eezox right when you get it, but after completely degreasing
CLP for AR-type rifles
Outers Nitro Solvent for general cleaning
Hoppes#9 WITH copper solvent for the barrel every 3-5 range trips.
Brass bore brushes one size above the barrel length.
Some people swear by Mobil synthetic oil and ATF, along with Moly EP grease, but personally I stick with whats proven, even if its a little bit more costly. Fuck everything else, its all just expensive snakeoil.
Wouldn't let ATF anywhere near my guns or my dog if I were you.
>>30320587
I've always used a tub of wheel baring grease on nearly every gun I own. AKs, ARs, Glawks, they all love it.
If you want a really good solvent go to wally world and get a 2 dollar can of break parts cleaner. It will burn a hole through anything that isn't metal but it will clean out your bore really well.
>>30321307
>It will burn a hole through anything that isn't metal but it will clean out your bore really well.
I wouldnt recommend this, all it does is strip any oils or grease, it doesnt dissolve GP residue or copper or lead, and also due to the ether in the can, it cools down metal extremely quickly if you spray it in there, and will cause it to rust instantly after it evaporates if its not chromelined.
>>30321260
>everything else is just snake oil
>that list
Oh the ironing.
>>30320587
Use motor oil on rotating parts, bearing grease on sliding parts, and kerosene to clean. This is sufficient for 98% of /k/
>>30321257
>that pic
>>30321324
I mean, I use brake cleaner on my 870 that isn't chromelined and it has never rusted....where you get your info from?
>>30321343
Don't you have that flipped bud?
> Grease on rotating parts (why automotive industry uses grease on bearings, and axles and shit)
> Oil for all sliding parts
>>30321343
Is kerosene safe on polymer
>>30321390
grease is really only used in parts where an oil cycling system or sump can't be placed
>>30320587
I know at work we'll lube our machine guns- SAWs, 240s, and .50 cals- with ATF. I don't know the specific type though. It seems to work pretty well. Some guys will also throw it in a spray bottle to make it easier to apply.
>>30321414
You dumb fucks are really splitting hairs here. I'm no fun needs to operate at 1500 rpms like a motor vehicle, so any lube is fine.
I use ATF exclusively in my guns. It doesn't eat away anything and helps clean very well.
>>30321390
Growing trend in auto industry is to use lower viscosity oils to reduce wear on parts/friction as the velocity of your lubricating component is directly affected by the viscosity of the fluid.
Similar principle here, if you're operating a bolt action with grease smeared on it, it's going to be slow and nasty. Oil it instead to get quick rotation.
>>30321448
nobody is splitting hairs kiddo its just a discussion about stupid shit on the internet. Theres no need to be this upset
>>30321409
It should be fine, but Test a small area first. My makarov grips have been siting in kerosene for 3 months and are fine,
>>30320587
I wouldn't put anything called ATF on my weapons
>>30321553
what if it was a sweet chewing tobacco smelling gun lube you could drink?
>>30321478
Ohh, okay. Thanks Dad.
>>30321574
no problem son make sure you take all the old cereal bowls out of your room before mom comes home or no tendies
>>30321553
Someone already made this joke in this thread. Please delete it...
>>30321579
Sure thing. Can I go over to Juans house today?
>>30321409
If by kerosene you mean what we Bongs paraffin, like what you put in lamps, then I should think that it is. It's safe on the o-rings of my bike's chain which makes it a great de-greaser. It cleans good.
>>30321593
only if you promise not to take your sister...
Anybody ever use Windex with the ammonia in it to remove copper or lead?
>>30321609
That's the thing though, Cindy and Juan are dating and she wants to go see him today. Plus, Juan got a few new funs I wanna see what he got.
Lets keep the incestual interracial gangbang fanfic out of my thread pls
this is why porn should be outlawed
>>30321778
How about you mind your own god damn business, bro. Me and my son are having a chat here. Ill smash ye face in m8.
>>30321808
What are you so salty about man? Seriously, just close the browser.
>>30321597
This
I use kerosene to clean my Motorcycles chain.
>>30321850
I'm having a chat with my son. How would ya feel if some bloke told ye and ye son to shut it? HOW WOULD YE FEEL M8?
>>30320834
Do you have rubber o rings in your bore?
>>30321891
>implying the bore is the only thing that needs to be cleaned.
>>30321580
This is embarrassing
>>30321891
No, of course not but why would I use kerosene in my bore of it doesnt remove copper or lead. Carbon buildup is easily dealt with by other stuff
>>30321902
Where would there be rubber o rings on a gun? Maybe if you have a Chassepot
>>30321916
AR bcg
>>30321916
Maybe he's cleaning a paint ball gun
>>30321931
one o ring you don't really even need
>>30321137
why would you order something so common?
>>30321964
in california you need a license to buy motor oil or any other flammable material off the shelf
>>30321964
It was an add on item for a larger amazon order. It was like $2 for a quart
>>30321982
HEH
>>30321964
Maybe he's like Howie from The Benchwarmers
>2016
>using toxic petroleum based products on something you handle with bare skin
>being to much of a poorfag cheap ass to pony up for non-toxic clp
You guys are a bunch of fucking idiots. Enjoy cancer, enjoy passing down genetic defects because you were stupid.
>>30322060
Enjoy being a retard? To bad you can't blame yours on chemical exposure.
Refined mineral oils are not a big health risk.
>>30322084
ZING
>>30321985
dang homie, good looking out
>>30320587
I use ATF, 10w30, chainsaw bar oil, and other garage lubricants. They all work just fine. Gun oils are nothing but modern snake oils.
https://youtu.be/UHLnI3NlLsU
>>30322084
*too
>>30322232
>polish space marines
>>30322084
I'm a mechanic, I work with petroleum products every day. I've read the MSDS data on pretty much everything you can think of. Unused motor oil isn't horrible, but it's not something I'd want to ingest, and make no mistake, that shit does absorb through your skin. ATF is pretty nasty, brake parts/carb cleaner is generally toxic as fuck, especially if it's one of the older formulas with chlorinated solvents. I'm not just saying you're stupid just to be an asshole, I'm saying it because that stuff does have long term negative impacts on your health. Do some research before you dismiss what I say.
>>30322336
Its ok im a vegan
>>30320587
ATF is an essential ingredient in Ed's Red.
>>30320834
>I thought motor oil didnt prevent corrosion
Why would you put something that isnt anti-corrosive in your engine?
>>30320587
>conventional
No
>atf
hella no
that shit is filled with detergents
>>30321137
literally go to walmart
>>30323065
because the inside of your engine isn't exposed to the outside and is always covered in oil?
>>30323579
An engine is a much harsher environment than encountered on any gun.
>>30320587
Motor oil is too runny, that shits going to be all over your hands and clothes. Use products intended for guns.
>>30323592
>An engine is a much harsher environment than encountered on any gun.
not when it comes to rusting it's not
>>30322336
I've switched to synthetic motor oil on ny rifles for the past few months
Can that fuck up my health?
>>30322336
>especially if it's one of the older formulas with chlorinated solvents
>older
The newfangled hippy shit doesn't work worth a fuck
>>30324642
What removes copper fouling and is cheap. Windex with ammonia?
>>30324841
Don't use Windex
Just get Hoppes copper eraser or whatever
Hoppes will remove it, their copper eraser just has more of that particular chemical
>>30321324
>it doesnt dissolve GP residue
it will dissolve anything with carbon, which includes gun powder.
I'm not saying I spray my bore with it, just a patch or a brush, I still oil or put a thin coat of grease in my barrel to protect it
>>30321307
>It will burn a hole through anything that isn't metal
no it won't
I fucking hate my cheap ass guns so I use food oil.
>>30325404
You mean fireclean
Montana X-treme bore solvent, mobil 1 & bearing grease does everything I need
>>30325476
>Mobil 1
It's like you WANT extra wear on steel parts
>>30321580
Eat a dick, faggot
I use Breakfree CPL and then a light coating of red lithium grease on bolt carrier and rails and other points of friction contact in my AR/AKs.
Anyone else never clean their barrel unless they are shooting corrosive or is that just me?
>>30321137
Detergents are good,they prevent sludge build up (the sludge in a automobile being carbon same as a firearm)
I use mobil 1 and after a range trip I can literally clean my guns with a paper towel, the carbon wipes right off.
>>30321495
Bakelite is resistant to pretty much every solvent one earth.
>>30322060
clean/unused/virgin motor oil is non toxic.
>>30323568
>literally going to Walmart
This is all you need. Anything else is inferior.
>>30328617
>viscosity to thin
>evaporates
>burns off easily.
>>30321618
i dont think ammonia removes copper or lead
>>30324841
>What removes copper fouling and is cheap
Hoppes No. 9
>>30325444
they have used grapeseed oil (canola iol) on machinery for a very long time
>>30322336
I don't know what ATF you're using, but I work for a company that makes ATF and it's not considered as a dangerous product according to CLP regulation.
I've heard axel or bearing grease is a good lube for guns.
You can buy a tub for $3 that will last you for years.
>>30328673
Ammonia removes copper. Its the main active ingredient in hoppes copper remover, sweets 7.62 etc
>>30320587
motor oil does nothing for corrosion
Ballistol
>>30324916
What is in that hoppes copper remover?
>>30322060
>>30322336
What do you use instead? Frog lube seems to be pretty safe, but I've heard it causes failures to fire. I'm looking for something to use in a carry pistol that will keep the gun functional, but also not poison me.
>>30333222
Dude just use motor oil with anti corrosion additive
Dont use any vegetable based stuff unless you clean your gun once a week
It gets tacky
>>30333222
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/froglube-tracklube-and-seal1-laboratory-analysis/
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/302999-Frog-Lube-is-Coconut-Oil-You-heard-it-here-first?s=c5e9fd4fd3c57c83ffd2168bcfd529e1
Just buy some food service lube like Grant Cunningham in the link above if that really bothers you.
>>30333684
I have read that, but it seems like it's possible to apply thinly to avoid binding?
Maybe I'll just use Ballistol and wax the bluing.
>>30333909
Cut it with a thin oil
>>30320587
Motor oil, by far.
There are only 3 differences between ATF and Motor Oil
>ATF has to act as a lubricant as well as a hydraulic fluid. Guns don't need hydraulic fluid.
>ATF is designed for much harsher, but cleaner, environments than motor oil. Guns are closer to engines than they are to transmissions.
>ATF is dyed so you don't confuse it with motor oil. It will stain.
>>30334104
Yes, ATF will stain holsters and shit red.
But they have non dyed ATF
>>30328451
Do you put it on the outside of your guns or only the inside and rails?
Used 10w40 for my M2 when I was in the army best lube evar
>>30334163
These are going to be very aspie questions and I apologize in advance.
What was the typical climate when you were running the M2?
Were other grades of motor oil readily available?
If so, did you try them to see what grade worked best?
If no other grades were readily available, do you suspect a higher or lower viscosity oil would have been even better?
>spergmode OFF
>>30334341
Not military guy but 10w40 is pretty thick and stay around for a good amount. Its a good choice if you dont want to use grease because of gumming up tight tolerances (like in ar's)
Id leave the grease for aks and m14 style open action
I like 10w30 for pistols
>>30321931
>>30321946
Wait, AR-15s don't have rubber O-rings....
What are you guys on about?
>>30334510
Some AR-15 extractors do.
>>30334553
Yeah thats the one i had on my ar10
Only oring i saw on it
>>30328722
canola oil is rapeseed oil, not grapeseed oil.
For you non-farmers, no that's not a joke, there's a fucking plant called rape.
>>30334724
My peanut butter has rapeseed in it
So its just canola?
Whew i stopped eating it because i was getting triggered
>>30334724
That's why they invented the word "Canola." It's literally "CANadian OiL, eh?"
>>30333222
Try Ballistol for lubrication
>>30335527
Yeah, I think this is what I'm going to go with. Mineral oil is still probably carcinogenic, but it's not like I'm going to drink the stuff.
Also, I like the smell, unusually.
>>30328451
>the carbon wipes right off
Yeah, just like everything else. You know that carbon isn't like rust right? It will come off easily
>>30321261
Underrated post
>>30321982
Fucking WHAT?!
>>30324505
Synthetic motor oil is not "dangerous", like it's going to instantly give you cancer, but you still absorb the stuff with any kind of prolonged exposure. Just buy some dedicated non-toxic gun lube like slip2000, Froggylube, fireclean, etc. There is no sense in rolling the dice with your health just to save a few bucks.
>>30322084
WW2 vets were practically taking baths in petroleum products, don't let fuckin OSHA and Commiefornia make your balls fall off.
>>30321655
*Slap*
Shut up boy
*Slap slap*
I SAID SHUT UP
>>30324642
The newer acetone based ones work pretty good. The old trichloroethylene formulas worked great, and are also proven to give you cancer.
>>30328419
On my chrome lined barrels, I pull a bore snake through about every 500 rounds. Aggressive barrel cleaning does more harm than good.
>>30320703
>tranny fluid is some nasty stuff
I use WD-40 to lube my guns... is that bad?
>>30336020
Don't those all have some drawback though? I've heard of fail to fires with froglube, and fireclean burns off.
