It's not very good!
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It's not very good!
>>30320180
DELET THIS
>>30320180
Well... It's basically a revolver cartridge carbine, so....
>>30320180
It can't penatrate winter coats
t. Fudd
>>30320237
I just laugh whenever I hear this. I've seen a hot 30 carbine load over pen a deer at 75yrds. That was out of a pistol with about a 6in barrel.
>>30320180
It's only shit tier because the AR-15 exists. It was the best shoulder fired weapon of WW2 and Korea by a large margin.
>in b4 muh 30-06
>muh stopping powa
Makes a pretty great anticop truck gun. Just ask Kyle Dinkheller. He was tactically suppressed and then took a round through the eye at close range. Now that's versatility!
>>30320485
>over pen
isn't that one of the issues .30 Carbine has? IIRC it has a tendency to over-penetrate.
It was the best firearm of WW2. It directly lead to assault rifles without beeing heavy/unreliable like the StG.44.
>>30320562
Cop had it coming. Shouldn't have drawn his gun on the guy and not acted like a dickhead.
>>30320883
>Cop had it coming. Shouldn't have drawn his gun on the guy and not acted like a dickhead.
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>>30320883
Realistically, if he had just shot the guy as soon as the guy pulled a gun out, things would have been different. I get that he had prior incidents where he had gotten into trouble for excessive force but cop or not, the first rule of having a gun is stopping other people from using their guns on you.
By not shooting before the third "excuse me sir please put yer gun down", he allowed himself to be tactically operated upon. Remove donut.
PS: some M1 30rd mags are prone to fuck up. Always inspect your milsurp.
>>30320841
Small bullets going fast tend to do that.
>>30320180
But it's very fun!
I want to get a WW2 surplus M1 Carbine, but the ones I find in person are always overpriced for what they are. Either ratty examples with no sling or magazines for $800, or lightly used and clean examples for $1200.
Though a friend of mine's employee did buy a decent paratrooper from a Cabela's for $500. I don't think that store knew what they had.
>everyone politely glossing over the constant reliability issues
Apologists! Revisionists!
>>30321264
>lightly used and clean examples for $1200
Fucking where? Theyre 2k where i am.
>>30320234
>Rimless cartridge
>Designed specifically for M1 carbine
>Parent case is self-loading rifle cartridge
Yeah, """revolver""" cartridge.
Not wanting a weapon made in the 40s by GM.
>>30320180
Its kinda goofy Ill give you that, but honestly magazines are a usually the cause of a lot of problems. Pro-Mag Ten rounders are GARBAGE
>>30320180
But its soo good in insurgency.
>>30321796
>he owns an Inland or a Saginaw carbine
>>30320180
honestly I think this weapon is really ugly
>>30321901
>He doesnt own an Inland and a Winchester
>>30321901
He doesnt own one period.
>>30321788
It's basically .357 magnum you troll, go chew on your mom's butthole ok?
>>30321922
If the .357 had twice the energy maybe.
>>30321937
Are you retarded? If anything .357 Magnum is gonna outperform .30 Carbine.
>>30321954
>Are you retarded?
There's nothing wrong with being mentally handicapped, sir.
Mine's okay. It has a hiccup about once a mag. Failure to feed, just rack it out.
I'm not popping japs innajungle, so I have no complaints with it.
>>30323026
Third party interjecting that moderately debilitating mental retardation or greater is literally immoral.
>>30321264
>>30321570
The only 1200$+ I've seen are the package deals that come with like 3 mags, ammo, and accesroeis.
I got mine for 750$, just gun with two mags. Works beautifully, and thats coming from someone with OCD where every purchase is a failure.
I bought a Plainfield (commercial) M1 Carbine from a family friend who had been in the Free Polish Army during WWII and afterward, served in the Polish Guards in occupied Germany, where he was issued an M1 Carbine.
When the Blacks (AKA kurwa małpy!) rioted here in Detroit in 1967, he went down to Gell’s Sporting Goods in the Universal Mall on 12 Mile Rd. to buy a gun and recognizing the M1 Carbine on the rack, bought it. It was subsequently stashed in the rafters of his basement for the next 30-some years until I bought it off him for $100, along with a box of corroded to shit Swedish made .30 Carbine ball ammo (also from 1967).
Shoots great, plenty accurate and near mint condition.
>>30321954
pls go look in the nearest reloading manual before you poop lies everywhere. 30carb has twice the energy at 100yrds that 357 does at the muzzle.
>>30320562
Fuck you for making me remember the screams.
>>30323520
According to Buffalo bore their 180gr .357 barely outperforms their .30 Carbine when fired out of a 18.5" Marlin. 99% of the .357 data you see is out of pistols so that's why it looks less powerful. Remember, the M1 has a 18" barrel.
When you go to a bullet weight that's closer to the 110gr of the carbine, the 125gr .357 magnum out of a 18.5" things get dramatically different with a FT/LBs rating of 1,466.
So the anon who said .357> .30 was correct in some apples to apples comparisons.
>>30320234
I use my revolver caliber carbine to hunt and for HD. What's the problem here?
Kill yourself OP
>>30323640
Buffalo bore should never be used as a source. Many of their loads would exceed safe pressures and they never give any reliable info on how they test velocity or pressure.
>>30320959
This
The cop had plenty of opportunities to shoot that guy. His unwillingness to pull the trigger cost him his life.
>>30323711
That doesn't change the facts.
>http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/05/chris-dumm/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/
They're actually baby shit loads compared to what I've seen.
>>30323711
>Many of their loads would exceed safe pressures
...all of which happen to work just fucking fine in a Ruger revolver or a Marlin carbine.
>>30323794
>M..muh my safety
>http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/357magnum.htm
>>30323812
The only levergun where caution is mentioned in that article is the old 1873 versions. The Marlin 1894 family can shoot stupid-hot loads like a Ruger No.1.
>>30323934
I was agreeing with you. meme arrow= mocking
>USGI carbines lauded as the best, sitting at $1k+ when they weren't worth shit two decades ago
>All the decent repros cost just as much and have quality control issues
>Even the USGI ones might be ass
Shit sucks, mang
>>30321548
>Being such a fag you can't post sources outside of anecdotes, Karl crying and universal carbines
>>30323520
Barrel length is a hell of a game changer sunshine
>>30323711
>Many of their loads would exceed safe pressures and they never give any reliable info on how they test velocity or pressure.
Except for all the standard pressure loads they have, all the third party tests and the section at the bottom that shows velocity from actual firearms.
The ones that aren't safe for a few guns are listed as such
>>30323934
Sorta. The 1894 is a fantastic gun, but to shoot the heaviest loads material has to be removed which could weaken the receiver under the chamber. That coming from a guy that makes his money working over lever guns.
Not like many people really shoot 325gr .44mags anyway, bit heavy for the twist most of the time
>>30323061
Funny mine does the exact same thing
>>30320515
By Korea the AK47 existed and this thing was hopelessly outclassed.
>>30323640
And as we all know, 357 mag is a rifle cartridge, and only a rifle cartridge.
U R DUM
>>30324546
>AK47
>Better than an M2
Lmao. Good joke friend.
>>30324577
That Carbine's range is garbage, it's only good at close quarters. AK wasn't made for a marksman but goddamn it was better than that thing.
>>30320895
Nothing personal kid.
>>30324716
Lmao. You're double the fun aren't you?
>>30324546
>>30324716
>Implying Norks were combat effective
>Implying the M2's shortcomings weren't balanced out by retarded ass irl zerg-rushing
>Implying slavshit>WW2 USA
>>30324865
Clearly you have 0 idea what you're talking about.
The North Koreans never got any AK47s during the war. The Soviets gave them and the Chinese WW2 surplus and replaced their own stocks with AKs.
They definitely were balanced out, but it's the only reason they were balanced out. And also because, again, the Norks didn't HAVE AKs. At the very most their Soviet advisors might have carried them around, but there's no confirmed instance of Soviet soldiers engaging in frontline combat in Korea.
The AK was better than your weapons yes. You can be thankful the people using them weren't the ones you were shooting at.
>>30324546
>>30324716
While true, at this point the AK-47 was just introduced into Soviet service, and even they didn't have many of them.
In 1951, the AK was still using milled recievers, which meant that it was heavy and the Soviets couldn't make them that quickly.
In this time period, the AK design was still new and suffering teething problems, it's reliability was not that of the AKM.
>>30323061
replace your mag springs
>>30323572
Holy shit, I just watched the dashcam footage. That was pretty damn distressing
>>30320883
stop being a cunt.
>>30324573
Are you fucking retarded? He was literally saying the ballistics should be compared with equal barrels to make accurate statements about velocity. Both cartridges are available in pistol and rifle sized weapons you dumb bastard
>>30325270
Might just get all new mags. 15 rounders; any recommendations?
>>30323572
Yeah, he should've at least shot him with a stungun after the guy failed to comply. Then again it was 1998, don't know if they had tasers then or not
>>30320180
is that a famas?
>>30324232
>makes his money working over lever guns
Sounds neat, mind if I ask what you do?
>>30320485
This the same for a lot of meme cartridges. Ive seen a deer get taken down by a 22lr from 70 yards away.
>>30320180
I disagree
>>30320180
So say hypothetically I have a carbine with what appears to be a service number carved into the butt. How would /k/ suggest looking up the history of said hypothetical gun?
>>30324546
Not 100% true.
There have been refurbished M1/2 Carbines rechambered for even .308.
Extremely light gun.
Best platform of ww2.
Shame it never got a true great cartridge during its service.
If 5.56 existed during ww2 it would have been without doubt the greatest rifle of all time.
>>30329685
>>30329689
>>30329692
>>30329695
>>30320180
I love everything about the m1 bar its cartridge.
>>30323680
>make america go bankrupt again hat
>shitty gun
>gas stove
hillbilly that is into anime detected
>>30320515
You're the reason why soldiers are sent into foreign countries with firearms that can't kill a big rodent instead of sporting 40mm auto-cannons.
>b-b-b-but muh recoil
holy shit faggot go back to gym.
>>30329339
>5.56 M1 carbine
So, a Mini-14?
>>30329780
kys bernout, you arent welcome here.
>>30324546
>AK
>used in Korea
>>30324577
>>30320515
>dat circlejerk
>>30329934
He said "existed" though, not "used".
>>30323417
hello m8 I'm in Novi, some nice guns in Detroit on armslist right now
>>30329899
A little smaller.
>>30329780
>not gas stove
I hope your power goes out for a week.
>>30329339
>There have been refurbished M1/2 Carbines rechambered for even .308.
Sure in that the .30carbine had a .308 diameter bullet. There was a .30 Kurz wildcat with a .308win case cut to .30carbine length. A. 308 win, even if it fit in the action would have taken the bolt apart.
The .45winmag conversions sheared the lugs. The Tromix 10mm magnum was cool as fuck though
>>30329780
>hurf durf I'm scared of Trump
This isn't /pol/ so I won't go into detail, but I'm confident that's not going to happen.
>hillbilly
I've lived in several major cities, including Chicago and Seattle.
>into anime
That sure was a cutting bit of insight about someone who posts on 4chan.
>calling my 1894 shitty
I will end you.
>>30321922
It's literally .32 Winchester self loader. It's an intermediate rifle cartridge with similar energy to .223 from the same length barrel. The rounded bullet profile limits the range, but for what it was meant for, a light personal defense weapon meant to be used at 200 yards or less, it preforms perfectly. That it started life as a PDW and was pressed into front line service speaks volumes about it's effectiveness.
>td;lr, an M1 carbine has more energy and range than the standard issue M4 carbine in use by front line troops today
>>30323640
As much as I love .357 Magnum, long gun performance between it and .30 Carbine is so close it doesn't matter. And .30 Carbine is a rimless cartridge that can work in double stack magazines.
>>30320180
the m1 is the garand in short version, what makes it a good gun but not as good as the garand is the precision, wich, in the garand is better, actually a pretty good precision becouse the gas port is almost in the end of the barrel. while in this version is shorten to improve weight
>>30332693
>range than the standard issue M4
uh no
>light
>Low recoil
>high capacity
Glorious M1 carbine makes the job done!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_R59LCjMVc
>>30332950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSELcrJ7Kw
full video
>>30321901
What's wrong with Inland carbines?
>>30332693
>td;lr, an M1 carbine has more energy and range than the standard issue M4 carbine in use by front line troops today
Are you out of your mind? Youre on the internet right now, download ballistics charts or a ballistic calculator ffs. 5.56 out of a 16" barrel has higher ME and KE than .30 carbine. .300blk has more ME/KE than .30 carbine and it's based on 5.56.
No amount of magic makes up for case capacity and pressure. We already covered .357mag and .30 carbine with similar length barrels in this same thread
>>30332811
Oh please do tell us about how the gas port makes the M1 Garand more precisely mechanically. In detail please I need to hear this
>>30333093
Not the same guy, so I'm assuming that by precision he really means accuracy. If that's the case, I believe the answer would be that, since the M1 Garand uses a long stroke piston, having the gas port near the end of the barrel has less of an effect on accuracy. The motion of the long stroke piston shifts the center of mass of the rifle during recoil, negatively affecting accuracy. The longer the bullet is in the barrel after it passes the gas port the more it is affected by this motion. Since the gas port is near the end of the barrel there's less of an effect on the bullet because it's out of the barrel almost immediately after anyway.
If this is wrong please tell me why, I'm actually trying to learn more about this stuff.
>>30333213
that's a non issue on pretty much every gas gun ever. The bullet it long gone before the action starts to work. You can get stringing and shit but that's different.
Anyway, have a cool old video on the M1 Garand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PxeTMQc_6ic
>>30329775
The only thing wrong with .30 carbine is that nothing else uses it
>>30334703
I'm still trying to figure out if that speaks for or against it.
I feel like it's a pretty good combo of super light gun and acceptable ballistics and capacity so maybe that's why nothing else came of it. It was already great. Of course some people would argue the opposite but when you have a gorillian carbines and tons of ammo why bother working on it, outside of some pretty cool wildcats.
.25" more mag depth and a spitzer would have been fantastic
>>30320194
I fucking love this meme
>>30334796
I made a few wildcats with the .30 carbine I called "6.5 carbine". I took some 6.5mm 110gr bullets and necked down the case to 6.5. basically the same cartridge but with excellent BC and sectional density
>>30334796
Imagine if someone had invented .300 Blackout instead of .30 Carbine. There's your Garand pattern assault rifle. Slap on a pistol grip and it obviates the need for the M14, M16, and M4 entirely.
>>30320562
Fuck you for making me remember his ugly daughter.
>>30335042
Daughter for reference.
Its a handy, fun gun with a decently powerful round and some history behind it.
What's not to like?
>>30335425
It's not tacticool enough for some mall ninjas.
>>30320515
The SKS was in use in small numbers in Korea, though.
I've seen penetration studies and anecdotal reports about recoil that suggest the M1 carbine would be a decent truck gun, home defense arm.
The only potential issue is the supply and logistics of parts and ammunition
>>30335535
It wouldn't be bad, but it's obsolete. You can get something just as light, more reliable, and utilizing a more powerful round with better, more modern bullet construction for the same price or less with an AR15.
>>30323417
Cool, I have an Inland division with Detroit Police markings. Does it have more souls on it from WWII, Korea or the 1967 Riots?
>>30329685
>>30329689
>>30329692
>>30329695
>>30329699
Thanks, that was a good read
>>30335535
and the total lack of reliability
>>30337038
Only reliability problem is with shit magazines. Any other times and it's a solid performer
>>30321901
Rock-Ola master race reporting in
>>30329695
so, boys and girls, were they shit shots or was this some sort of ammunition failure? 30 carbine is perfectly deadly at these distances.
