Why would someone buy a pump action shotgun over a semi auto? Are there more regulations on semi auto shotguns? Wouldn't pic related or a Benelli M4 with buckshot be better for home defense?
>>30309784
C O S T
>>30309784
semi autos tend to have reliability problems and are less useable with odd ammos.
>>30309784
Price. I can get a Mossberg for $300 but a benelli is going to run me a mortgage payment
>>30309784
reliability? ruggedness?
>>30309784
Reliability and you only need the kat-chuck sound to fend someone off.
>>30309841
I hope you're joking friend
>>30309846
>semi auto more reliable than pump
>joking
>>30309784
Pump actions are usually less expensive and more reliable.
Semi auto shotguns can have feeding issues because the power and length of shotshells can vary.
For example a recoil driven semi auto can have trouble with light loads like #8 birdshot because not enough recoil is generated to drive the bolt back fully.
A semi auto can also have trouble with short shells because their actions were designed for a certain shell length, an off size shell will end up in the wrong place during that split second of ejecting and feeding and you get a jam as a result.
Hope I explained that ok.
>>30309846
>Sound of a pump puts you in more danger
I've seen that idea a lot lately but no one seems to have any proof. Is there some evidence that racking your shotgun loudly puts you in *more* danger?
>>30309784
>benelli m4 = $1700
>average pump = $300-$400
GEE, why the fuck would i buy a bump.
sage
>>30309879
Not arguing reliability, but inertia semi autos are pretty close.
>>30309963
It lets somebody know you have a gun and let's them know where you are in a general way. How is that a good idea? Especially in a self defense scenario
>>30309879
>a sleepy yet stressed out person is more reliable than a semi-auto shotgun
>>30309784
I own a pump because although I'm way more mall ninja than fudd, I prefer the "feel" of a pump. The crisp clean crack recoil over the slightly longer push recoil.
But with modern auto shotguns being as good as they are, reliability is not an issue if you even make an effort towards maintaince.
Price could still be an issue for some though. As you get what you pay for, avoid anything less than 500.
>File too large, have pupper instead.
>>30310062
Kek this
>>30309898
you pretty much hit the nail on the head
>>30310015
>bump
>sage
kek
>>30309898
But what if I'm using a full-sized buckshot shell for home defense
Are they reliable with the ammo they need?
>>30309841
>>30309898
you shouldn't use birdshot for home defense, i doubt you'd run into many problems shooting 2 3/4" high brass buckshot shells out of most semis
That's why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZ0Hgz9iKI
>>30310065
>Avoid anything less than $500
>I'm a mallninja
Yep that checks out.
There's no arbitrary price point when things become "good" man, for example a $190 maverick 88 would probably be more reliable than a $400 tricked out remington 870 right now because of Remingtons pisspoor quality control.
Older Semi autos can be bought for $200-$300 all day at pawnshops and Armslist, a 60 year old $300 Browning A-5 will probably be more reliable than a modern $1000 Browning.
>semis are unreliable
>semis can only cycle powerful stuff
My 930 cycles anything and everything I give it and never had a break in period. Just saiyan.
Shotguns aren't fun enough to shoot to get a semi auto.
Get you a nice pump action and be done with it. Rather save $$ for other stuff
>keep a Mossberg by my bed
>Nigger selling magazine subscriptions knocks at my door around 20:00
>Ignore him
>Knocks again, starts fiddling with the doorknob
>Grab my Mossberg, stand right behind the door and rack it with a rugged "Cha-Choooooouurakr" sound
>Nigger rapidly stops jiggling knob and leaves briskly
That's why I love pump action. Force escalation.
Also no rifles at home because I don't wanna over penetrate if I do have to ventilate a nog
>>30310166
You need to run through some different brands of shells to find the most reliable one for your semi auto shotgun.
All semi automatic firearms have certain tolerances that have to be met to function properly, it's not always evident what those tolerances are without some range time to find what the gun likes.
This baby keeps me warmer at night than any bitch could.
>>30310230
Clays are the most fun I've had with a gun...
>>30310207 I've owned a TriStar semiautomatic it was shit until I gave up on fixing it after it kept breaking. But your post seems quality although I don't know those other models except for mavvy 88 which I own and is tricked the fuck out. (How's that for mall ninja)
>>30310182
No probably not, but in general semi autos are made for a certain type of shell and firing something it wasn't designed for will cause jams.
Shooting stuff too heavy for your shotgun can occur too, many people shoot their semis to death by using buck and slugs from a gun set up for birdshot.
>>30310230
This. If you're looking for home defense and you don't have any neighbors, a mag-fed semi-shotgun I guess is a good option.
Pump-action does the job just fine, and as far as shooting for practice or fun, I'd rather be aiming and trying to hit little things, not blowing all the targets the fuck up, although its cathartic sometimes.
But it don't got dat clack-clack.
>>30310374
Haha I was actually going to mention tristar semis in my post, those things are shit.
I agree modern semiautos under $500 should be avoided for the most part, the only good one I know of is the $450 CZ 712.
>>30309784
Debating really hard on if I should buy this Izhmash Saiga 12.
Is $680 a fair price?
Is it pretty easy to convert it to side folder? (I'm handy but not a machinist)
Is it considered a military-style semi-auto in Minnesota? My permit to purchase just expired, and it's just another chore I can't do because I work during office hours.
>>30310465
Forgot image
>>30310476
>Permit to purchase
What?
>Military style weapon
What?
>Minnesota
Dude what?
>>30310504
>can't even quote right
I'll break it down for you newfriend.
In Minnesota, if you want to buy something like an AR-15 that has deadly assault clips and baby killing pistol grips, they tend to be categorized as military-style semi-autos (because let's face it, they're designed originally for a military).
Certain things like a mini-14 aren't, but an AK is.
To keep Jamal, Muhommed, and that kid you used to bully from getting them, you need to have a CC permit, or a permit to purchase. It also applies to pistols.
>>30310465
Technically, no it wouldn't need a permit.
But... the gun store I went through wanted me to show mine for a vepr12, but that looks a lot more menacing than a stock saiga 12. I wasn't sure so I just spent the few mins to fill it out and mail it off the day I ordered my gun online. It was at my door before my gun showed up.
>Is $680 a fair price?
Just by blue-book standards, probably ok. But I'd just spend the extra cash and get a vepr so I have an amazing looking gun without all the conversion dickery and high chances of it choking on birdshot because it's gas system wasn't really designed for it.
A good pump action is $200.
A good semi is $700-2000.
The gun industry will always and forever be driven by poorfags.
>>30310582
I was under the impression that the Saiga was better than the Vepyr. There was also a century/chink knock off for $540 or so, but that seems like a bad idea.
>>30310332
I know literally nothing about shotguns. What is this?
>>30310628
>I was under the impression that the Saiga was better than the Vepyr.
That's the opposite impression you should have. The safety is far better because of a tiny flap of metal to make it handy as hell, the mag system is way better with the drop out mags for fast changes, out of the box reliability is almost a guarantee with any reasonable 3+dram load. It's cooler looking(IMO) by a long shot, and having the folder model has it's own advantages for vehicle use.
>>30310671
Alright I'll look into it.
Thanks for the info
>>30310693
Definitely go watch some youtubes on the features on them. It's far better than me trying to write it out.
>>30310724
Is there a way I can get the Russian style side optic mount? I'm not a huge fan of rails.
>>30309784
reliability, cost.
>>30310751
I wish, that's my main vepr gripe. I wanted to put a pso scope on it for slugs.
I imagine it can be added just like it can be added to another ak receiver, but I've yet to see someone do it.
>>30310657
A shotgun.
>>30310557
>AR-15
>they're designed originally for a military
I don't think you've ever seen a gun my friend
>>30310889
>le epic AR-15 isn't meant for military specs meme
Almost as good as the AR-15 isn't meant for shooting man sized targets meme.
sheeeeit. you guys are stuck in the 80s.
old semi-autos used to misfeed or FTE. My SX3 is absolutely reliable with everything but short brass weakass target loads. Anything high brass is going downrange as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's why it's under the edge of my bed and is my preffered African eliminator.
My pump guns got sold and I don't miss em.
>>30309841
ok nogunz
>>>/v/
>>30310033
Theoretically you would have to rack the semi aswell and if your talking about after you have already fired the shotgun...you are no longer hidden.
>>30310275
>keep a Mossberg by my bed
>Nigger selling magazine subscriptions knocks at my door around 20:00
>Ignore him
>Knocks again, starts fiddling with the doorknob
>Grab my Mossberg, stand right behind the door and rack it with a rugged "Cha-Choooooouurakr" sound
>Nigger rapidly unloads his disposable hi-point pistol through the door, comes in, rapes your wife, kid, and dog, then steals your TV and game consoles.
>>30310332
>No light
Yeah it's worthless at night...
>>30309784
Semi auto shotguns can be picky on ammo, some dont function on birdshot a pump will cycle anything. Also with practice you can shoot a pump just as fast as a semi, mag fed shotguns can be subject to regulations in some places
>>30310332
what furniture and muzzle break is that?
>>30313229
Good story. Niggers shit their pants when they think they think they're about to face a 12 gauge.
Actually niggers shit their pants when they think a dog is about to bite them so think of racking your Mossberg as the bark before the bite.
But OK, don't stand right behind the door when you do it.
>>30309784
While we're talking about scatter gats, anyone ever use a sap 6?
It looks so sexy.
>detachable mag
>short as a rifle
>still pump action
>gee how come your mag let's you have 11 rounds
>>30311171
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>>30314046
implying
>>30314053
Is this how kings fight?
>>30314082
KANGS
>>30313229
>his front door isn't bulletproof
Get your shit together.
>>30310202
So you empty the mag in .7 seconds but missed the bad guy. Now you an empty mag and he's still got bullets. Wonderful.
>>30310889
Dude was designing a rifle to bid for the US army contract... if that's not designed with a military purpose, what the fuck is it?
>>30309784
Cost, really. If you live in Canada there are also regulations on how many shells you can have in a magazine.
>>30314363
No, a guy designed a rifle and Colt bought the design from Armalite to bid for an Army contract.
>>30314363
Literally all firearms from muskets to hunting rifles, were designed with military purpose in mind. The majority of hunting rifles cloned their action from Mausers or Springfield military rifles. When the Chinese made their first boomsticks I promise you that nobody sat there and said "Hey, this would be great for sporting purposes".
But the same can be said for many things used in every day life. Planes to an extent, radar, candy, blood transfusions, modern surgery in general, rubber tires, wristwatches. Fuck, you could go on all day.
>>30310033
I can see the case for and against it. If I have the drop on a burglar and I can see no gun in his hand, I'll order him to get on the ground. If he has a gun, I'll shoot. Castle law justifies me either way, but killing a man, even a home invader, ALWAYS comes with legal bullshit. You can expect a full on investigation from the cops, a wrongful death suit from any relatives, etc. There's a time and place where deadly force is the only answer, and if he's armed, go for it. But if you can avoid killing, you'll save yourself a whole hell of a lot of headache in the long run.
Source: law student in Texas, have sat in on this type of case before
>>30314528
yeah, well, I don't know if I'd go so far as to say planes were developed specifically for a military purpose, but yeah I get your point. Anyway it doesn't matter and the left is just wrong about everything as usual. If they hate guns they should try to amend the constitution. Splitting hairs over hunting rifles/vs assault rifles is just retarded and useless.
