Do it, fags
>>30305945
you should kys instead
>>30305945
you're probably going to buy an AR regardless of what we say
so what's the point
What the fuck is a block chain?
>>30305945
They both suck.
Get a Galil in 5.56
I... I can't
>>30305956
you make a compelling argument
>>30305945
Buy an AR instead of an AK. Do it fag.
>>30305945
AR doesnt do anything the AK does better, the AR is more accurate but the AK is about 3-4MOA with a nice one, both will land hits on a human torso out to 300m, after that both rounds suck ass and a Battle rifle is what you want.
There are at least 4 parts of an ak you can use as a bottle opener.
what can an AR do besides shoot stuff?
>>30305976
I'm actually leaning towards an ak right now.
>>30306386
>>30305945
ARs are more suppressor-friendly.
They are more optics-friendly.
They are generally more accurate, all other things being equal (whether that matters or not is up to you).
They are just as reliable as the AK, even in adverse conditions, especially with the dust cover closed. The "ARs are unreliable" meme is an old Vietnam hold-over that just won't die.
They are lighter (generally) than AKs.
I personally prefer the AR's ergonomics over the AKs (especially the thumb safety).
Reloads are generally faster with ARs.
You can swap out uppers and go from a fast and light SBR to a 600m precision SPR with a couple of pin changes.
They are easier to work on and take apart: i.e. no rivets/trunnions or whatever bullshit or welds or shit like that. ARs are very simple to take apart, work on, change parts in. Unlike some things on an AK you will have to like seriously buzz-saw some shit or weld shit or something idek how to come close to doing. But you can work on your AR with a rubber mallet and a punch set.
Also no need to worry about bore-concentricity (see above about suppressors) or canted sights.
Way more ergonomic options like grips and stocks etc. etc.
Also the ammo is VERY common here and very cheap. Not sure about the x39s but import bans and all that shit won't affect you in the slightest with a 5.56. Of course there are 5.56 AKs but... eh.
As you can probably tell I prefer ARs. AKs are cool because of their steel construction and die-hard reputation, but I prefer
>>30305945
Get both.
PTR.
>>30306464
Well let's say I'm picking which I should buy first
>>30306471
Fuck off
>>30306502
I got my AR first. That's probably what I'd recommend. You have a lot more options and flexibility with it.
>>30306521
This, get the AR first, it's a fun gun to shoot but the robustness the AK gives when it shoots will make your dick diamonds.
fucking Lego guns, man.
>>30305986
bitcoin shit.
>>30305945
AR is infinitely more modular and generally more accurate.
Both will be reliable in any situation you encounter.
AR has better ergonomics in my opinion.
Just save up and buy both
There's other options out there
>>30305945
>buying slavshit ever
>>30306951
Don't knock slavshit, it can be good. You shouldn't believe the "hyper-inaccurate Cold War auto-muskets that can't hit the ground if you drop them" memes, just like you shouldn't believe the "Slavic potato magic forged in the sacred ironworks of Izhvesk and personally blessed by Putin" memes.
You should buy a Sig mcx
>>30306460
Kinda touched on this but for $300-600, you can buy different caliber uppers that use the same mags and lowers.
.458 socom
300 blackout
and some that use different mag and same lower.
9mm
.22
ect
Ar15 is more guns per gun.
>>30306927
>mexicangirlsayingwhynotboth.png
>>30307134
Where are you finding 300-600? I was wanting a .50 Beowulf from alexander arms but I only see them for like $800
>>30307114
One is accurate, the other is spergtism. If you can't immediately tell the difference, you are a mentally ill autist who has no business owning dangerous weapons.
Do what I did when I was in your situation, AR in 7.62x39
Why not buy one of each?
Both are cool as hell and fun to shoot. Guns are always good investments, especially right now.
>>30307404
They're both spergtisms just like your entire fucking existence, you meme-loving fuck.
>>30307378
>.50 Beowulf
Well there's yer problem. .50 beo is probably the king of special snowflake rounds right now. Anything and everything geard for .50 beo is gonna be expensive. . 300 black out is practically a mainstream round now. and even 6.5 Grendel is starting to become mainstream. because both of those use actual rifle cartridges and not a gigantic ass pistol type cartridge. That being said I myself am drooling over a .50 beo upper.
>>30307530
Yeah I figured as much. What about 458 socom?
>>30305945
ar15s are junk buy an ak
>>30305945
Buy both
>>30305945
Just buy a AR-10 or another 7.62x51 semi auto instead.
5.56 and 7.62x39 a shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
>>30307641
OP, here. I don't see what a rediculous test like this is actually supposed to prove, in what situation am I going to submerge my rifle in mud?
>>30307617
This my man, intermediate cartridges are for teaching good shooting habits, full size is for actually shooting.
>>30306460
Stripping an AK is easier than shit.
It was designed to be taken apart by drunk Russians.
You've never owned an AK and it shows.
Though you make many valid points, but I disagree on ammo. You can buy some dirty tula for less than 5.56 and it'll run just fine.
5.56 AK's are also pretty neat.
It all comes down to your preference. An AR will have far more customization in the long run.
I like AK's because they're rugged and heavy.
I own both a 7.62 and 5.56 AK and love em' to death. I trust a gun that I can bludgeon my enemy with.
>>30307959
Tell that to any first world military past the 1980s
One of my main hold back from owning an ak over an ar is that I feel like it has more of a stigma as a "bad guy gun" than an ar15 does, but with all this shit coming out about ar15s being the "terrorist weapon of choice" I'm not sure it matters anymore.
>>30307940
The reliability memes are out of hand.
Any gun will fail eventually.
>convince me
Convince yourself gaylord.
performance will be the same for you because if you lived in a place shitty enough to matter, you'd have an AK already. ;^)
>>30305945
What's a blockchain?
>>30305945
Why wouldn't you want an AK?
>>30305945
>>30306464
>>30306521
Get both, nigger. Then get a VZ, and make an image like this so you'll know how good it feels to shit all over these arguments whenever they're posted. Feels great btw
>>30308147
>5.56 AK
>2/10
Check faggot
>>30308139
Also
Reasons an AR is nothing special over an AK:
>Negligible accuracy increase
Unless you're getting it for competitions
>No accessories an AR could have that an AK couldn't.
>More parts in an AR
>Grime is a more pressing issue for ARs.
>>30308155
>5.56 AK
>5.56 AR
>7.62x39 VZ
>7.62x39 SKS
Life is about balance, Anon. Take the middle path and you too will find true enlightenment.
>>30308114
It's the peer-to-peer distributed database at the core of Bitcoin.
For what it's worth, I own both.
My AK is my pig gun. 7.62x39 is fat and slow, not good for much past 200 yards. That being said, hunting ammo makes a moderately wide and deep wound channel with a decent exit hole. The gun is accurate enough within it's intended ranges to make neck shots. There is something pleasing about using the side charging handle to chamber a round.
I enjoy shooting my AR more though. Between free floating rails and an improved trigger, I've poured more money into the rifle, but it is much easier to put 10 rounds into a 2.5" (and shrinking) circle. .223 has such an wide bullet selection that I may even graduate my AR from coyotes to pigs soon.
Unless you have a need for an inexpensive fat bullet, my vote goes with the AR.
>>30308203
FWIW, .223 is cheaper than 7.62×39 in Burgerland these days
AK for budget or inexperienced peasant
AR for American with a love of guns
Or just get both, multiple semi-auto rifles should be owned (and locked up) by every responsible, able-bodied male in the US
Buy a SIG 550
>>30306187
You can also get a bottle opener for an AR.
>>30308216
7.62x39 SST is $.50 a round. Great pig round, and I suspect it would work quite well on whitetail as well, but I just use a bolt action .308 for those.
.223 varmint loads can be found for around that price, but I haven't found bonded spire points consistently online for less than $.80. Federal Fusion sometimes goes on sale for nearly $.50, but it's not something I would count on.
Apparently some guys have luck hunting with the heavier OTM ammo within 150y, but I haven't tried it yet, and I don't really look forward to picking out a shattered jacket out of a pig I plan to cook for my family.
5.56 kek
>>30308259
Wish I could read that box to know what I was looking at...
>>30305945
>come to the store
>try ergonomics
>choose one that fit
>buy
what the problem was?
>>30307971
you rekon yourself as a serving combatant?
>>30305945
Why not build both?
>>30305994
This, if you're fighting in arctic conditions
>you never know
>>30308255
Assuming .308 is just a slightly faster 7.62 NATO. Whats the best .308 round?
>>30308298
Do you? What does "actual shooting" refer to?
>>30308308
>build
Oh wow, a brit here!
Also
>308
>>30308316
I meant that first world military don't rely only on troopers, so rifles have less role compared to one single citizen using his oly rofle for whatever he plans. No? Are my toughts clear?
>>30305945
Buy both. They both have their merits and are great fun. I love my AR and I love my AK.
>inb4 lel nice two tone
Yeah yeah I know, it was my dad and I's first time staining rifle furniture and the stock wood just took the stain darker than the handguard. At some point I'll strip the stock and restain it so it matches the handguard but for now I'm busy getting brutally raped by Engineering weed out classes.
>>30308313
Best?
Depends on what your trying to do.
If you want to reach way out there, 175gr match ammo, provided your barrel will stabilize it.
>>30308313
Close your eyes and pick. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but between .308, .30-06, and .300 Win mag all using the same diameter, there are more varieties of this particular bullet than any other.
>>30308417
I just built an A4 clone just like that, was real pumped to the get ACOG on it and man does it suck. I already had a TA11 and loved it, and I'd read the TA31 had worse eye relief but jesus christ, makes me want to sell the whole build off.
>>30308452
Different types from accuracy to reliability to penetration to stopping power. I'm just an amateur when it comes to this caliber and am thinking about getting a bolt action .308 to go with my 5.56 semi
>>30308160
>No accessories an AR could have that an AK couldn't.
No matter how you spin it, the absolute last you want to do when comparing an AK to an AR is act like the aftermarket situation is anything close to being similar.
>>30308317
You fucking dumbass you can put together an AR from parts and make it however you want it. There are AK build kits and people do them as a hobby just like the AR community. There are AR build threads constantly on /k/. Now fuck off out of here, you don't belong here.
>>30305945
Only gays, niggers, poorfags, white supremacists and mass shooters buy AR's. Owning an AK on the other hand is a sign of class and social standing.
>>30308561
You really think so? I've got mine set up to shoot nose-to-charging handle using BAC and I don't have any issues with it.
>>30308740
Lanza go
>>30305945
If there's a part on the AR you're unhappy with, whether in function or ergonomics, you can easily replace it with either a purchased or homemade part.
There is much better parts availability for the AR
AR can be disassembled using basic hand tools, a vise, and an armorers wrench, while an AK you have to grind the rivets off and use either a hydraulic press or some kind of custom pulley puller to get everything off the barrel
.223 is more common, cheaper for the quality, and flatter shooting than 7.62x39
You can also put different caliber uppers on an AR in a couple minutes
Not shitting on the AK, it's kind of fun to shoot, but I would get an AR long before an AK
>>30307967
>Push pin
>Pull it out
>Pull out bolt carrier
So hard.
The differences are in actually fucking servicing it, by changing barrels, not having to line up sights, not having to worry about headspace on the barrel which is set by the manufacturer, the massive availability of parts.
5.56 AKs are also expensive and mags end up being more than 35 dollars a pop.
I can buy 3 AR mags for that price if I go PMAG, or 5 if I go stamped aluminum.
If you don't think an AR isn't rugged, you're an idiot.
If you think you'll ever need to bludgeon your enemy with your gun, pick up a book and learn tactics so you never will find yourself in that position. Your life expectancy will also be a bit longer as well.
>>30308842
>SHTF
>loses some roll pin
fuuuuggg
>>30308853
The pin doesn't come out unless you take apart your lower, it just slides over enough to where you can unhinge your rifle open.
>>30305945
Why not get one now and the other later?
Having both is the only real answer.
>>30308862
Roll pins, sissy gas tube, set screws, muh locktite
>not take down pin
>>30308617
Hey milsurp dude, you mentioned something in another thread about the cnc warrior brake being useless, can you elaborate on that?
>>30309015
It doesn't function as an actual '74 brake, since there is no way for an expansion chamber to be present inside of a brake meant for the AKM barrel's 14x1 threading. As a result, all you have is a long, heavy hunk of steel with a few holes drilled into it. It's exactly like that "krink" bell brake MidwayUSA offers. You can get a muzzle device that is just as effective without the length or the weight of the faux-74 brake, or one that is much more effective that has the same dimensions.
>>30308786
>imblyign
I'm not a hungry skelton like him, silly anon :^)
>>30307404
>404
>intelligence not found
>>30307967
I don't mean pulling the bolt carrier out. I mean stripping it all the way, just how much more involved the AK is. Look at the Rifle Dynamics AK building class: measuring shit, cutting through metal with power tools, giant machines, riveting machines and shit into metal receivers. Then look at building an AR. Literally buy a parts kit and put it together with a rubber mallet in your basement.
It's not a deal breaker but I prefer the simplicity of the AR, should I need to change shit around or whatever and I don't have access to a gunsmith or don't want to take my rifle somewhere, most of it is easily done by me. I'm not talking about pulling a dustcover off and pulling a bolt carrier out.
>it's all personal preference
I literally said that in my post
>i like AKs because they are rugged and heavy
Also said that in my post. I just prefer the very long list of advantages I mentioned to the "yeah, it feels good, I like it."
Although you did remind me of something. Some people do have problems with steel-cased ammo in their ARs. So there's something I guess. It's still like 2 to 17 though AR all the way.
Why is comrade of not buy glorious czechnology?
>>30305976
That's a fucking sexy AK
>>30305945
Get the AR first.
But get both. That's what I did, I'm pleased with that decision. I built my AR and had someone else put together my AKM parts kit. They're both a ton of fun to shoot and I would be hard pressed to say which is my favorite. The AR is definitely easier to upgrade and it would definitely be the first thing I would grab in the event of an emergency though.
>>30308298
>presented with facts and evidence
>hurr are you a combatant XDD??
>>30308225
Is there any decent ak that sells for under 600 dollars?
>>30311139
I got my WASR 2 years ago for $500, the only ones I know are under $600 now are IOs and Century Arms CA39s but I always hear bad things about both of those. You can get a Yugo or a WASR for about $600 and some change and Atlantic has some in stock right now.
>>30305945
ARs are infinitely customizable and aren't slavic garbage.
>>30305945
Buy an AR if it's within your budget. Otherwise, I would just get an affordable AK-47. Once you get an AR, there is no going back. The allure of ricing out your AR is too great.
>>30310456
I'd recommend this over an AK if you don't care about having a wide spectrum aftermarket parts.
>>30311395
Why? I'm not trying to start amd argument I just want to know what you think is better.
get an AK if the only thing available to you is ammunition, spit, and a shoestring. Otherwise get an AR.
>>30311413
Sure. Lighter milled receiver, fuck-huge ejection port that allows for loading with stripper clips, bolt hold open feature, more ergonomic safety lever, better stock trigger, greater accuracy.
>>30305986
a blockchain is basically a really long list of cryptographic key pairs. Its used in bitcoin and a few other fancy new distributed accounting techniques
>>30311382
anything north of ptac is north of average run of the mill monkey model US market parts kit AKMs.
you can toss together an anderson rifle for less than 5 hundo; $350 complete upper+ ~$80 lower build kit+$50lower. ricing it up with magpul moe or a free float handguard/low profile gas block would run 90-200 more. or just get a colt or ruger rifle for ~650-700 out the box. Or see how deep the rabbit hole goes with a grand or two dropped on a billet upper/lower set, competition trigger, gucci free float handguard, fluted stainless target barrel, etc. Or throw all that fancy shit on a milspec lower that costs less than a good bottle of scotch. Why? because you can with america's favorite rifle.
>>30311382
Can we see a pic of your AR?
>>30306464
This, don't be a faggot. Get both.
>>30311484
>milled receiver
>greater accuracy
so many memes, so little time...
>>30308417
Agreed, can't have one without the other
Sorry to butt in OP, but I've got a question similar.
I'm in a bit of a conundrum myself at the moment /k/omrades, I'm current having a hard time deciding if I should get my CCP / CCW, or should I save up for a few more months and get an AR first? I was considering getting an AK but after reading the replies in this thread I think I will go with the AR. I currently only own a nugget and Mossberg.
>What do I get first, CC or AR?
>>30310456
What was the big appeal of the vz58 anyway? I mean it looks pretty neat, and is aesthetically similar to an AK pattern rifle which is kind of unique, but I remember a time everyone was shitting themselves over it and I honestly never understood why. I just never looked into it really.
>>30308234
Is that tape to hold the mag in or to show he hasn't switched mags?
>>30311857
They used to be 400 bucks for a folding rifle with like 4 or 5 mags, they shoot well and feed a cheap round. They are diffrent with out being ultra snowflakey, they are lighter than an ak, and bayonets are like 10 bucks.
>>30305945
Well on the one Hand side the AR is your domestic market assault rifle. That means there are a lot of spare parts etc. available and easy accessable. Also ammo is 5.56 which is more shooter friendly and cheaper.
On the other hand an AK will very rarely break down and is easy to maintain. The ammo is more rare I guess as 7.62x39mm is milspec ammo. Also I heard the states banned the import of the AK weapons so you have to take that into consideration, personally I wouldn't take a rip off AK.
>>30305945
>current year
>not owning both
I'd still grab my ak inna habbening tho, not the smartest choice since "muh common ammo/parts" but I just love my ak more
[spoiler]if you're getting into firefights in a non war habbening you're doing it wrong[/spoiler]
>>30305956
Rolling
>>30312199
To show that the rifle is not chambered
>>30311815
> voluntarily putting yourself on a gov't list of gun owners
>>30312225
Oh ok, so it was pretty much just an all around good deal rather than a "folded 1000 times" meme gun?
>>30312540
But a round could be chambered, then tape put on right? I thought it was in case someone fired a round they would be able to identify it as the tape would tear off while another round was chambered.
>>30311815
Normally I would say get the CC first, but the semi-automatic rifle market is doing weird things right now so I might hop on that if I were you.
>>30312676
You put the tape under the supervision of an officer, with a empty magazine
>>30313877
So that's an empty magazine? What's the point of even having a rifle there then? Or is an armed presence more of a formality than a genuine security need?
>inner strength
Nigga doesn't have any fucking outer strength.
>>30305994
Where do I get one? Last one I saw here was chopped up to shit
>>30305945
Buy both
????????
Profit
>>30313934
Probably to ensure that the security personnel don't fire the first shot. I assume they carry loaded mags on them and would switch were shit to the the fan.
>>30314788
Yeah I figured that much. It's just that nothing screams "unprepared and not expecting contact" like walking around with an empty mag/chamber indicator.
>>30308234
Jesus I wish
the ar is laughably cheap now, you'd be silly to not pick up a Del-Ton rifle kit or PSA kit for 300-500 dollars. I built mine from a del-ton and i'm very happy with the quality of the rifle. But it's by far from my favorite rifle, just something so ubiqitous you'd be missing out to not have one.
It's also great at killing kids, or fags.
tl;dr
Don't be a poorfag.
>>30305945
>Not coexisting with other calibers
Bigot.
>>30311624
I never implied a milled receiver was the cause of greater accuracy. It is a widely accept fact that the vz58 is more accurate than the AK 47. As to why I don't know.
>>30318091
How do you like that Hebrew blaster? Is it as comfy as they claim?
>>30313934
Ensures fire discipline.
>>30306464
Every time I see that Polish beauty I get hard.
>>30310456
Heard these things really, really hate mud
>>30311815
complete lower or stripped lower+ build kit and 3-10 evil 30 round magazines, CC permit, then complete upper in that order.
>>30312655
key word being "was"
the second they caught on and stores started le happy merchanting hard by taking 2 mags and the bayonet out of the kit to sell back to you for 15 each while simultaneously increasing the price by 50-100 dollarydoos the VZ52 meme rifle was back to being a shittier deal than a wasr or zastava m88a.
>>30308740
I had an A4 in basic... Miss that thing.
Have you seen the Vltor A5 kit designed for these things?
