Survival in the wild
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You are trapped on a dangerous island filled with dinosaurs, who would you rather be on the island with you
>Roland Tembo and his big ego and his .600 nitro express double barrel rifle
Or
>Robert Muldoon and his lack of skill and spas-12
>>30304844
the dude the didnt get fucking eaten, how is this even a question?
>big ego and an even bigger gun
thats exactly what you need in an island willed with dinos
>>30304931
But he's just going to end up eating you killed. And also when you're on the island I forgot to mention you are there for 3 days. Tembo may know how to kill, but he doesn't know anything else about the dinos
>mfw both these actors are dead
>mfw i have no face
>>30304983
Are you serious? They both died? Wtf that just killed my night
>>30305015
Cancer did them both
>>30304977
true, but muldoon knew and he got btfo. not only that, he lost a man during transport, knew that the raptors were testing the fences for weaknesses, knew the two beta raptors followed the big bitch raptor, and still got btfo.
>>30304844
Robert. Kill him, leave his bloodied body, take SPAS, barricade for 3 days. I'd be fine.
>>30305054
now that i think about it, the best companion would be that kid from jp 3. shitty movie but he did survive by himself for a week or something
>>30304844
>Robert Muldoon
>Lack of skill
OP literally what
He knew his shit. He was the one who demanded heavy Weapons against the dinosaurs.
The only reason he died was because the Velicoraptors where too damn smart.
>>30305118
Dude. That kid was there for months AND saved Dr. Grants ass.
That being said I'd probably be just as well of as both the retards OP posted by myself because I have zero obligation to protect anybody or restart dumbass electrical grids that don't have a backup so I could just chill in a bunker or climb a tree and blast away at whatever's chasing me if shit goes south.
>>30305054
But he only lost because of lack of power like>>30305120 said. Also I just remembered in the book Muldoon survived because instead of spas he used a law
>>30305182
Those are the scenarios of the movie, I'm saying that you crash land on to the island or whatever and need three days for rescue. You were good friends with either Muldoon or Roland. Also the third movie was retconned wasn't it?
>>30305219
The kid only survived because of plot holes.
>How did you get that T Rex urine?
>You don't want to know.
More like the director said "I don't know"
DAILY REMINDER THAT DINOSAURS ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE THIS (Add Lips)
>>30305219
I'd be fine without either.
>>30304844
I would take book Muldoon. He had a LAW which he blows raptors apart with.
I'd rather get a big ass .45 and do the dirty job myself.
Dinos are overrated. And the only really dangerous ones are completely peaceful and good guys in the films.
>>30305408
>66mm HE single shot rocket launcher
>Multiple turkey sized dinosaurs
>Good idea
I'd take Muldoon from the book and arm him with a mossberg 500 or remington 870 instead.
>>30305120
>the only reason he died is because the movie would have been too bad ass
Book had better Muldoon, movie had a better ending.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages
Roland's .600 could drop anything on the island, but it's just a double barrel so if you're dealing with multiple dino's at the same time you could be fucked
Muldoon, while he died, was extremely knowledgeable about the dinos on the island, where Roland could hardly pronounce their names. His spas-12 would be fairly handy in dealing with most hazards, save super predators like the t-rex
Both of their prowess as hunters, and by extension their aim should be great, unless a raptor just jumped on them (Muldoon)
In the end I'd rather go with Muldoon, while they both are good, I'd take my chances with a lone T-rex on the island who's teeth could easily pierce my heart or crack my skull than be ambushed by a pack of 5 raptors, that slash at my guts to spill my intestines out.
>>30305578
Book had better everything, Spielberg's JP is incredibly overrated. And the sequels suck.
>>30305436
>0/10 gayest dinosaur ever
I remember that thread, and this shit gets me every time.
I think the OP had posted a hypothetical regarding being hired by a multi-trillionaire to hunt a brachiosaurus without damaging it externally (so it could be made into a trophy) given a certain budget.
>>30305322
yeah, raptors had feathers, they used their wings to keep themselves upright as they clung to large prey and could continue to bite and slash at it
>>30304844
Muldoon, In the real story he wins
>>30305436
I can't take what that guy says seriously about his knowledge on dinosaurs when he mentions the "Brontosaurus" in a serious sentence.
>>30305645
They were also incredibly small and no more dangerous than a bald eagle.
>>30305645
Correct, they were also the size of turkeys, and most likely the smartest velociraptor was equal to an average turkey.
Now I'm not trying to play down the danger a pack of these creatures could possess, but I have a good feeling that if you blasted one of these with even birdshot, it'd not only take it down but make the pack piss themselves and run away.
>>30305683
a turkey with the mind of a monitor lizard and the pack instincts of low-tier canines, more like. Imagine a group of mini cassowaries actively trying to fuck your shit up.
Shit would absolutely ruin your day; the fact that they were small would only make it worse since they would be a harder target to hit and they could pursue you easily through dense undergrowth.
>>30305436
>looks up 45-70 on wikiped
>see 'Sandy Hook tests'
>mfw
>>30305543
Hey man, turkeys can be pretty mean.
>>30304844
Tembo.
>>30305617
The original is deserving of it's praise imo, IF you take into it's time period.seeing it in theater was glorious for my young self, but now people a desensitized to effects.
Even better if you never knew about the book. Either way goldbloom rocked that shit
>>30304844
I'll stick to the book and choose Muldoon.
> He also recommended that the park be equipped with more military grade weapons for use in emergencies, but was overruled.
> He reminds Hammond of this when it dawns on them that they have no way of stopping the escaped T. rex.
> Muldoon spends most of the novel riding around the park, drinking whiskey and attempting to restore order.
> He is later attacked by a pack of Velociraptors, but survives by wedging himself into a pipe.
> He manages to kill a few of them, and eventually escapes the island with the other survivors.
>>30305756
The only parts of that movie that are really dated are the brachiosaurus scenes, which look really cheesy by today's standards. The T-Rex and raptors were done well because the animatronics and CGI were always obscured to create suspense and let you fill in the blanks with your imagination. Compare them to the Star Wars prequels or the edited OT with all the in-your-face CGI that looks like PS2 graphics now.
>>30305659
>implying a bald eagle wouldn't fuck you up
>>30305657
...y?
>>30305756
True, I watched the second movie before the first movie so the lost world is pretty good imo, but 1 was way better. I also don't read the books until like 8th grade. And that's when I realized the movie was for children
>>30305716
>>30305683
Idk where you guys are getting the idea that the raptors were small, the fossils in the field museum are quite big, almost like bipedal walking crocs
>>30305914
After a quick google search it appears paleontologists might change their mind again....however during the time of that users post that Brontosaurus wasn't a real dinosaur and was actually just a different age group of Apatosaurus.
>>30305914
Not him, but the brontosaurus was actually a mistake/hoax dinosaur created when paleontologists put the skull from one dino on another's body. The proper name for that dinosaur with the correct skull is the apatosaurus.
Robert Muldoon? I don't think he's touched a shotgun in his whole life, would definitely pick the other one.
>>30305962
Not true anymore as I mentioned in the above reply, it turns out they were right initially in that Brontosaurus is a valid dinosaur. HOWEVER, at the time of that users post, it wasn't considered accurate, so my point is that the guy who claimed to have done a "Lot of thinking" on hunting dinosaurs can't be taken seriously when he names fictional dinosaurs and uses them in a serious situation.
>>30305941
IIRC the raptors in the movie are based on troodon, but they decided "velociraptor" sounded less gay.
>>30305954
>>30305962
Thank you very much. I didn't know exactly what to google myself because I did not know the context.
>>30305983
They seem more like deinonychus than troodan, but to be fair, that dinosaur wasn't discovered until AFTER the movie.
>>30305990
>>30305983
Actually they were based on velociraptors but Spielberg said fuck the feathers that's gay, when people were upset he said they didn't have feathers. Then they discovered the utahraptors which didn't have feathers and he said that that's what he was going for. Or it was the other way around or something like that
>>30306032
So wait, you're telling me that Spielberg had access to discovers from 1995 in the period from 1990-1993, or that people from the future came back and told him to change his mind and that the actual paleontologist, Jack Horner, was a hack who didn't know about a 1995 research that wasn't even agreed upon until 2000/2001 in mainstream paleontology?
>>30306068
No I'm saying Spielberg based it on the one with feathers but decided to do them without feathers, and after the movie was made they discovered the one without feathers and Spielberg spewed some bull shit about how that's what he meant to base it off of
>>30306087
What he's referring to is that feathered dinosaurs were still disputed in the 90s, in fact the dinosaur you're talking about didn't have any fossil evidence of feathers until 2007.
>>30306140
That's what I'm saying. In 07 he stated that those were the raptors that he meant to put in the movie. And people are it up
>>30306158
That's actually not what you said, but alright.
>>30305543
Shot guns unless with magnum loads, are probably not going to do much against a dinosaur.
>>30306181
Most dinosaurs were the size of a horse, but the main threat in ALL JP movies are raptors. But if we use the REAL velociraptor, we're talking about animals the size of turkeys. Birdshot is enough.
>>30304844
Dinosaurs?
>>30305980
...but if he was lead to reasonably believe it WAS real, which it turned out to be (judging from your post; im no expert), then what makes him foolish? It's not like he lead the scientific community on a goose chase or anything, just that at that exact moment of time he wasn't up to date on a peculiar dinosaur, which he turned out to be right a out anyway.
Or did I miss something in translation?
>>30306181
You're forgetting that most carnivorous dinosaurs were theropods, they had a weaker skeletal structure. They were fairly weak and frail opponents, even the big ones.
Those INGEN guys in TLW with all those weapons and equipment would have been able to clear the entire island in less than a week if they wanted to.
>>30306200
Punt guns don't fire large shot, just huge loads of birdshot.
>>30306243
If someone said to you "ive done a lot of thinking on guns and I've decided that ar47s (Referring to ar-15s) are just too deadly for the average user cuz if they hunted deer with that round they'd tear it to bits!" The point I'm making here is that for someone who supposedly did a lot of thinking on the subject doesn't seem to know much about it.
Can I take both and add Owen Grady to the mix?
>>30306140
when Crichton was writing the book in the late 80s wasn't the Raptor he based the Velociraptors in his book on(Deinonychus I believe) considered a subspecies of Velociraptor? And then they changed their mind later?
And of course the feather stuff wasn't really in the picture yet
That's the problem with trying to write accurate Dino fiction, paleontology is constantly changing and in flux with new discoveries and theories
>>30306281
>wanting Redditlord to protect you
>>30306300
you know that marlin 1895 in the movie was his IRL right?
>>30306278
And you're basing that on one mistake.
A lot of thinking doesnt automatically mean hours and hours of meticulous peer reviewed research.
>>30306319
If you want to be taken seriously about a subject it's usually in your best interests to do actual research and study on it instead of basing your conclusions on popular media.
>>30306278
That's an absolutely absurd metaphor, as his information wasn't that far off. By normal standards, he was correct at one point, wrong for a short window of time, then correct again. That's closer to someone saying
>".22lr is affordable and very easy to find!"
>"Actually no because sandy hook (=dino discovery)"
>Time passes
>".22lr actually is affordable and easy to find!"
Not the best metaphor, but alot better than your "ar47"mockery.
>>30306337
Popular media which was, at the time he had researched (I.e. probably long before his post), in keeping with scientific discovery WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE CONSISTENT.
Also, it was a 4chan post regarding hunting dinosaurs in an alternate reality, not a peer-reviewed scientific journal you shitty autist.
>>30304844
>tfw they're both dead irl
>>30306575
Someone already broke the bad news anon. Thanks for pouring salt in the wound though. :,^(
>>30305756
Dude Goldblum made all the preachy morphone induced rants and the entire second Jurassic Park novel worth reading.
>>30305322
Only the small carnivores and bird-like herbivores.
>>30305543
>book dinosaurs are Mary Sues that are more fungus than animal
>not a good idea
Shooting them does nothing, but blowing them up would do everything.
>>30305193
And in the book raptors have a decentralized brain and nervous system meaning they are hard to incapacitate
And in reality raptors are turkey sized
>>30305120
the only reason muldoon died in the movie is because spielberg is an antigun bitch and made him sub to pussy ass hammond
>>30305015
no....
>>30305322
The dinosaurs from JP were hybrids with frog DNA in them. That's the official explanation for their appearance.
>That fucking scene where Vince Vaughn the anti-gun environmentalist fucking stole Roland's ammunition.
Crossover when.
>>30305716
the biggest known raptor is larger than a human
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utahraptor
>tfw no Bluefu
>>30304844
I'll take the warrior, from the land of the midnight sun. Just keep Van Owen away, so he doesn't fucking turn on him again.
>>30306087
utah raptor was discovered in 93. Jurrasic park came out in 93.
i hate spielberg but i dont think that makes him a liar
>>30306140
you have to remember that in science things are written about and debated years before they're accepted
>>30305659
>They were also incredibly small
Some were. others, not so much.
You also need to forgive them for not sticking feathers on everything. the theory for feathers was not all that widespread when the film came out. and by the next film they already had an image to stick with.
it's funny though. after the design team were done with the raptors for the first film paleontologists discovered a Raptor that fit the description of the one they made.
>>30308475
>that episode Vince showed he was pro second amendment
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/vince-vaughn-covers-july-issue-british-gq
>http://news.yale.edu/2015/06/18/yale-s-legacy-jurassic-world
Crichton met with the discoverer of Deinonychus, John Ostrom, several times at Yale University to discuss details of the animal's possible range of behaviors and appearance. Crichton at one point apologetically told Ostrom that he had decided to use the name Velociraptor in place of Deinonychus because the former name was "more dramatic". According to Ostrom, Crichton stated that the Velociraptor of the novel was based on Deinonychus in almost every detail, and that only the name had been changed
>>30308475
Just glad that son of a bitch Van Owen didn't blow off Roland's head.
>>30305436
.45
You want to use a gun that is not effective against bears and large deer to use against god damn dinosaurs?
Well I hope you leave one for yourself before you get eaten alive.
>>30306068
Jack Horner is a hack though.
The whole 'T-rex's can only see if you move' bullshit was his fault.
>>30308502
I love these
>>30308647
Fuck you he was a great composer.
>>30308677
Post more damn it.
>>30308748
only other one I have
>>30308502
>>30308677
>>30308748
>>30308775
whoever made these should be shot
and you too
>>30308777
oh yeah? well your gay.
>>30308777
Ohh yeah?
>>30308475
That faggot is responsible for all the deaths in the movie.
You know, i think the ACU in the new movie looks cool as hell but a plate carrier is kinda useless. the raptors won't be shooting back. at least not yet.
i'd have gone with a dedicated chest rig for magazines if it's for that.
>>30311053
Too bad they were retards and had to try LTL. Idgaf what the benefits package was like
>>30304844
I'd rather have impenetrable plot armored Meme Lord.
But this is ignoring the real issue, which is that Muldoon is the best character because his arc is meant to show just how dangerous and uncontrollable the dinosaurs are, which is kinda the whole theme of the movie.
>>30311053
odds are the security is more there to protect the company's assets against ecoterrorists who dont like that they cloned NOBLE DINOSAURS just for peoples amusement.
>>30305120
he died because someone had to get eaten when there are 3 raptors in the jungle that they needed to cross to get to the circuit breakers--he knew it was over when he told the woman to run
>>30311053
I think they were there for security against people
>>30312605
i kinda understand because the thing was THE expensive ass dinosaur among the expensive ass dinosaurs. but i thought it was retarded to give ALL of them less than lethal
>>30312792
>>30312746
I thought the ACU was exclusively for containment of the animals, and that they had a separate section for park security.
Of course, i was taking a piss when the theater showed their first entrance scene.
>>30313052
Whoops, top paragraph was for
>>30312429
>>30313081
I get why they did it, but there is no way trying to TKO the murdersaurus was sitting well in any of those guys minds. After the second guy may dumps a taser KSG into it I'm sure all if them accepted death right before thinking "I should have worked for loomis"
>>30304844
>Muldoon
>Says raptors are too dangerous and intelligent and should be put down
>Says the park needs better security that doesn't rely on one computer to work right
>Says they need more effective weapons
>Boss tells him to fuck off and do his job
>Smart enough to realize he's being stalked by a raptor, brave enough to let the woman run while he keeps the raptor distracted
>Caught in an ambush by pack hunters
>Deprived of anything heavier than a shotgun
>Not only survived in the novel, fucking blew raptors up with a rocket launcher and then nerve-gassed an entire nest of them like a bad motherfucker
>In both the movie and book, he was proven right
>Roland Tembo
>Stupid enough to not have anyone guarding his camp, allowing both dinosaurs and a PETA faggot saboteur to roam freely about it
>Stupid enough to leave his rifle where a PETA faggot can sabotage it
>Doesn't check his rifle or notice that said PETA faggot pulled the bullets and gun powder from the cartridges... when the faggot could have just unloaded the gun, Tembo wouldn't have noticed either way
>Too stupid to bring more than two fucking rounds of ammo
>Or a backup weapon
>Strategy is to sit in a tree, getting drunk, to catch a t. rex that he has pissed off by hurting its baby
>Doesn't realize his brother died because of his own incompetence
>Gets lucky and tranquilizes the t. rex that is wrecking everyone's shit because he's too fucking stupid to bring along more than two shots
>Seriously, he's a fucking idiot
The only smart thing Tembo did right was call it quits after tranqing the t.rex.
>>30314700
OP here, and first I'd like to say I appreciate you guys letting my thread get this long, and having meaningful discussions about it
Also is like to note that this poster is basically spot on, although in the book Muldoon was a drunk too. That being said if you guys want a new discussion thread about anything I will probably post tomorrow morning at work. I will probably named fag my self so you know who it is.
>>30305845
>tfw the book is on my nightstand
>tfw only 1/3 through
can't be too angry though, it's by no stretch a new book
Between those two I pick Roland, because he's a total bro and would be a source of a lot of great conversations while you are trying to escape.
Though if I really had to pick one, it'd be Owen.
>>30308589
I appreciate this reference
