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>Shit at warfare
>Churn out god tier firearms
How
Kraut space magic.
>>30302684
>Any of these
>Kraut
Pick one and only one
they're not actually shit, they're just too small to be relevant.
>>30302557
>implying the Swiss weren't based as mercenaries.
They know how to fight, but choose not to in order to make money instead.
>>30303268
>implying Austria isn't.
>>30303355
Austria is not Germany.
What is your point?
>>30303381
They're still Germans ethnically, therefore still krauts. Just as a kebab is a kebab whether he is from Iraq or Syria.
>>30302684
>Czechoslovakia
>Kraut
Pick one.
>>30302557
we defend their interests and give them money for their top tier guns. they found their niche.
plus they probably have a bunch of engineers working on military equipment instead of operators training with it.
>>30303481
Half kraut rape babies :^)
>>30303481
Sudatenland
>>30302557
>Shit at warfare
>Switzerland
Did know what swiss history is faggot? Plus just considering the contemporary period how the fuck can say Switzerland is shit at warfare if the swiss didn't fought since 1848 by their own choice?
>>30304867
Different guy, care to give me a brief run down?
>>30304901
They win
>>30302557
>Belgium
literally because JMB's stink still reeks in their gunworks.
>Schweiz
until modern times, the Swiss were basically either sheep fuckers or the go-to for mercenaries.
shit bro, their national hero is Wilhelm Tell. think about that.
>Czech, Austria.
HRE had to get gonnes from somewhere...
>>30304970
JMB's ghost beats the shit out of any FN employee caught slacking
>>30303355
Austria, most of Switzerland
>>30303381
They're Germany's Canada.
>>30305598
Lol no, until the war of austrian succession, the Hapsburgs were a continental superpower. And even after the war they retained a seizable amount of power in the continent until WW1
>>30303786
>Sudaten
lol
and the Sudetenland was never part of Germany you wannabe historian
>>30304867
>Did know what swiss history is faggot?
>invaded by france
>liberated by england
>never fought again
>>30305718
>Forgets the history of Swiss mercenaries
>>30303481
Böhmen
>>30305650
depends on whether Germany is the successor state to the hre or not.
>>30305650
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland
>The Sudetenland was relegated to Germany between 1 October and 10 October 1938.
The Sudetenland was part of Germany for about 6 years. Do not say that it was a wartime annexation either, because WWII had not started. Also this goes into another point: German is both a nationality and a ethnic group.
Having said that the Czech republic does not have a large number of Germans anymore do to forced relocation by the Soviets
>>30305718
so was most of Western Europe, that's hardly any basis to be called rubbish at war
>>30305718
Let me resume it like this:
Kicked the living shit out of the Habsburg Empire
Kicked the shit out of the German Empire
Kicked the shit out of Burgundy
Kicked the shit out Italy
Lost to France and became neutral
>>30308483
>>30309334
>Swiss
>Doesn't have a K31
>>30309334
>pedo stache
>UDC all over the place
>horrendous clothing
bourbine/10
>>30309648
C'est grace aux bourbines qu'on est dans cette salope d'UE.
>>30303381
Austrian national identity - in 100% composed of trying to avoid responsibility from WW2.
Austrians are Germans. Kind of like Bavarians are Germans.
Because tactics and logistics are not the same as engineering.
>>30302557
>>30302684
>>30303268
Germany is the 3rd largest weapon producer also.
>>30304867
Switzerland didn't fought since 1500 and it's not our choice.
The treaty that recognizes us as a country and gives us quiet some lands says we have to be neutral. If we're not the treaty is null and void and Switzerland no longer exists.
>>30309688
On est pas dans l'UE mec. Retourne à l'école
>>30309688
Les bourbines c'est des sacrés aburtis, mais je partagerais mon pays avec personne d'autre. Par contre si j'avais pas à partager le train avec eux...
>>30309688
>Switzerland
>part of the EU
Arrête la drogue mon gars
>>30309334
Where is the chocolate, the watches and the K31?
>>30309774
C'est pas que c'est des abrutis, c'est juste qu'ils sont jamais sorti de chez eux donc ils ont jamais vu un étranger de leur vie et ils savent pas comment marche le monde
>>30302557
>Switzerland
>shit at warfare
Denying hundreds of years of History
>>30309699
wow because national identity = ethnicity?
austria has celtic and slavic heritage, germany has mostly germanic heritage you fucktard
dont spout bullshit you dont know shit about
>>30309743
Are you retarded?
>>30302557
The Czechs had the Hussite wars and they fought well they also have a long history as bohemia and even had some HRE emperors.
Belgium did have a pretty good empire and fought well in ww1 they even flooded their own nation to stop the Germans.
The Swiss have a long history of being amazing mercenaries and punching well above their weight plus they still guard the Vatican.
Austria had a massive empire and stopped the Ottomans at the height of their power.
You picked small nations that historically have suprised many with their will to fight. Most would see these as small weak nations and currently they can't go toe to toe with super powers but every nation has it golden age.
>>30309648
Leche ma bourbine flute!
>>30309927
No, I just have a better knowledge of it than you
>>30309960
tell me about the chemtrails, too
>>30303786
Bohemia
>source: a bohemian-american
>>30309927
>says the retarded one
>>30309688
>Implying que les welsches votent plus à droite/conservateur que les bourbines
>Implying que les welsches ne font pas que boire l'apéro au lieu de bosser
Où vous allez tirer, les crampes?
>>30304867
The last battle fought by Switzerland was in 1515 anon and the neutrality is forced by the Vienna Treaty
>>30303419
>>30305598
>>30309699
Now this is what I call damage control.
>>30310019
Frenchies falling in and a civil war dont call as battles. The neutrality was founded by the treaty of westphalia. Though broken throug being puppeted by france during the coalition wars, it was reaffirmed times and times again.
>>30309960
>When the Westphalian peace treaty breaks a confederation disappears, even thoug it was recognized times and times again since.
Seriousely something is going wrong in our lands if this shit is being teached in schools.
>>30310068
That's literally why the last battle fought by Switzerland was in 1515. The more "recent" battles were religious civil wars.
>>30310068
>>30310109
Treaty of Westphalia was not a forced neutrality: Switzerland could still be hired but couldn't declare wars.
>>30309699
>>30305598
Austria is Germany's little brother that always gets it in trouble every time.
Poor Germans getting stuck in world wars because of uppity austrians.
Also Communism was born in Austria too. So fuck them extra for that.
>>30305815
>the Czech republic does not have a large number of Germans anymore do to forced relocation by the Soviets
It was the Czechoslovaks that told them to GTFO after WWII. Soviets would probably have raped and killed so many of them that no one would actually make it across the border (mind you, the Czechoslovaks still abused and murdered a bunch of them during the deportations, turns out people get kinda pissy after you occupy them for six years, kill a bunch of people and generally fuck a lot of shit up).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneš_decrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia
>>30310129
During the French invasion of 1798 a major battle was fought near Neuenegg. Under the command of Johann Rudolf von Graffenried the Bernese triumphed over numerically superior French troops under Brigadier General Pigeon on 5 March 1798. However, after the Bernese defeat that same day at the Battle of Grauholz, the collapse of the Ancien Régime could no longer be avoided.
The Battle of Grauholz[1] on 5 March 1798 was a battle between a Bernese army under Karl Ludwig von Erlach against the French Revolutionary Army under Balthazar Alexis Henri Schauenburg. The battle took place at Grauholz, a wooded hill in what is now the municipalities of Urtenen-Schönbühl and Moosseedorf in the canton of Bern in Switzerland. The government of Bern had already surrendered the previous day and the Bernese defeat at Grauholz ended their resistance to the French in the north of the canton.
>Treaty of Westphalia was not a forced neutrality: Switzerland could still be hired but couldn't declare wars.
>It was not forced but noticed. The thing with the mercenaries was forbidden in 30. Juli 1859 (B.G. 6/312). Being a merc was still legal until (MStG) von 1929, Art. 94. Even fucking Ulrich Ochsenbein was a merc.
History.
>>30308483
Well who hasn't, at some point, done all of those things?
>>30302557
>Belgium
>shit at warfare
Battlefield of Europe you mean
>>30310502
And now nonexistant state and capital of the fascist european emp..... Union.
>>30309997
Dynamik à Genève, et Centre Tir à Yverdon (et les stands militaire quand c'est l'heure de servir sous les drapeaux, ER INF 3-1)
Quelqu'un à tester Privatir à Lausanne ?
>>30310569
>fasz
kek
>>30310569
Jamais entendu parler de Dynamik. C'est un bon stand ?
>>30310502
>Belgium not shit at warfare
>Gets conquered in every war and has to sit with its thumb up its arse while the big boys do the fighting
lel
>>30310586
What ?
>>30310623
Ouais c'est pas mal, dans le même genre que Centre Tir un peu
>>30308483
>lose once
>never fight again
literally a China-tier paper tiger
>>30310920
>never fight again
No they fought later during the coalition wars.
ITT amerifats failing at simple geography
>>30310963
not ami but care to further your point please.
Lagardère est pas mal. Un peu vieillot, mais beaucoup de pas de tir. 10, 25, 100m.
>no ITALY
>>30310984
austria is germany guise.lol its 1939 in europe xd
Just read some.posts
>>30311077
>both dont apply
>>30311113
Well to the swiss its 1940 all over again being surrounded by a fascist superstate, only this time instead of fröntler you have lefties.
>>30311150
Except that is 100% bs
>>30311166
Yes sure thats why they are threatening Poland for having a democraticly elected goverment which doesnt act like their puppets.
>>30304867
>swiss history
>getting reamed by cavalry so hard you become neutral for the next 500 years
>>30311241
That seems to be a pretty average Casualties and losses to me.
>>30309688
>>30309752
>>30309774
>>30309819
qu'on est PAS* dans l'UE
Désolé faute de frappe
>>30309997
>>30310569
J'aimerai tester Privatir aussi. Des avis?
A combien on peut acheter la GP90 ou du .223?
A combien on peut acheter la GP11?
Ils font aussi chier avec le coup par coup rapide?
On peut faire du tir de combat ou c'est juste comme un stand 300m banal en intérieur?
Les stands de tirs "normaux" commencent à me casser les couilles. J'aimerai tirer dans un KD-Box comme à l'armée.
>>30311241
Then become the pope's bodyguards
>Czechs
>God-tier firearms
Pick one
>>30311391
VZ58.
>>30311391
BREN
vz. 58
CZ 75
>>30311573
The fact you think that's God-tier has got to be one of the most sad things posted here today.
>>30311588
>BREN
>being good, let alone god tier good
>>30311603
>BREN
>not great
>>30311620
Lindy plz
>>30311620
>I heart broken bolts, stocks, and charging handles
>>30311603
>"Hey folks, Ian here and today on Forgotten Weapons..."
>>30311603
for real, guy who actually served with one didn't have nice things to say
https://desustorage.org/k/thread/30135204/#30135285
>>30302557
please don't use Belgium
the parts that should be their own states have a far longer and more glorius military history
>tfw your city used to field 20,000 men for a friendly bit of banter with the next city over
>and is now a bunch of lefty faggots that can't even wield an umbrella if their life depended on it
>>30311697
There might be a miscommunication. I'm saying the old BREN MG was good, not the new rifle.
>>30302557
All of the countries you picked are well known for their mercs.
Are you retarded or american?
>>30311351
J'étais allé chez Privatir, mais c'était il y a environ 15 ans. Si mes souvenir sont bons, c'est un stand 25m. Perso, je préfère les stands où tu peux choisir la distance.
>>30311351
Pour les munitions tu peux oublier la GP90 et GP11 en stands privés. En cherchant bien tu peux trouver de la .223 Barnaul ou surplus à Fr. 340.-/1000 cartouches. Pour la GP11 t'as le choix entre RUAG et Partizan et c'est plutôt cher.
>>30311822
The Bren LMG is called the Bren. The BREN is the halfbaked SCAR knockoff that needed a total recall after it was issued.
>>30304867
>Switzerland
>choose to be neutral
Pick one
>>30302557
Real engineering and firearms studies
Also
>Switzerland was the best militia for hundreds of years
>>30312065
Les stands privés vendent pas de GP90/11? Sur le site de Privatir c'est indiqué qu'ils vendent de la munitions également à l'emporter mais y a aucun prix. Mais ils doivent quand même bien vendre un équivalent à la GP90 et GP11, non?
Je cherche pas de la 5.6 à tout prix. Le .223 me va très bien du moment que je peux tirer correctement avec mon Fass90. C'est juste que j'ai jamais tiré avec autre chose que de la GP90 avec.
Sinon je peux trouver où les 1000 cartouches de .223? Parce que je suis passé dans des armureries à Lausanne et c'est que des boites de 20-50 à 1CHF/mun...
Pour la GP11, je viens de faire l'acquisition d'un K31 (coup de coeur) mais je commence seulement à me renseigner pour la mun. Encore une fois je cherche pas forcément des boites de GP11 mais une munition équivalente (et de pas trop mauvaise qualité) que je puisse tirer avec mon mousqueton. Des vieilles muns de surplus de l'armée, autres marques, etc..
>>30312752
>militia
They weren't militia, they were professional mercenary armies.
>>30302557
Back in the old days kings and the like were iffy on the whole "training your sloven masses in drilling and shooting" thing and usually hired mercenaries and shit for their personal armies/guards. Would you like to guess what this has to do with those countries?
>>30302557
>shit at warfare
Is that why it took:
>USA
>Soviets
>British Empire
to defeat Germany/Austria?
