I was watching the news at a relative's house and got a thorough chewing out by 3 relatives at once for implying a ban on rifles would be an infringement of 2nd amendment rights. They all agree civilians should only have handguns.
Sounds like they're brainwashed.
SHALL
>>30289937
Most people are idiots.
Veterans are people
Most veterans are idiots.
In an agora once I had a veteran chime in and tell me that 5.56 would eviscerate a deer so completely you'd have to scoop it up
>>30289937
Your relatives suck.
Former Infantry vet and definitely for semiautomatic rifles for all. I want happily married lesbians to be able to protect their marijuana fields with AR15's.
>>30289975
NOT
>>30290034
>Anonymous 06/15/16(Wed)18:56:43 No.30289995▶
BE
>>30289937
veterans are also the the people who perpetuated le invincible tiger meme, the 5.56 mouse gun meme, and the ".50 BMG will tear your arms out of your sockets of it so much as passes you withing a couple meters" meme.
>>30289975
I'm not anti gun but how is my inability to buy a grenade launcher, rpg, ect not already an infringement on my right to keep and bear arms as outlined by the 2nd?
Serious question.
>>30290021
Yeah, all three are vets. Two have finished college (one with a Masters and one with a bachelors), and one has since become a good deal wealthier than anyone else in our family. They came down hard lol. One used China as an example of low gun crime due to restrictions on ownership but I tried to argue how China has a horrible history of what happens when the government is the one with all the guns.
>>30290062
Real answer?
Supreme court ruled the 2nd is not absolute, there can be restrictions. Most people agreed you shouldn't have rocket launchers etc, so little resistance.
>>30290062
you can buy RPG's
its just sorta difficult to get ammo for them
>>30290083
sounds like you have some red chinese sleeper cells in your family.
>>30290091
Well it sounds like that was the fall. How can we base augments against bans after that. It basically sounds like if it's scary enough, it can be banned.
>>30290052
>[citation needed]
>>30290128
you think soldiers aren't capable of spewing some mighty bullshit?
>>30290062
>I'm not anti gun but how is my inability to buy a grenade launcher, rpg, ect not already an infringement on my right to keep and bear arms as outlined by the 2nd?
links related
>http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm
>http://www.constitution.org/mil/how2actv.htm
>>30289937
>They all agree civilians should only have handguns.
You mean ONLY the guns responsible for 80+ percent of gun crimes/gun deaths?
And did they say hunting rifles/shotguns were okay, or are those too powerful so literally only handguns?
>>30289937
inb4 fbi says, at minimum, handguns are responsible for four times the murders of any other type of firearm.
Ive met veterans against owning guns, I may live in the united kaliphate but I met someone who was a driver in the 80s when the IRA were around, he had to keep his gun on him but doesnt like guns
>>30290044
INFRINGED
>>30290021
>>30289937
>>30290083
Apparently your relatives forgot their oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Their opinion is wrong. Banning rifles is a massive infringement on our constitutional rights. They sound like retarded POGs who finger fucked a rifle once during basic and suddenly became experts on constitutional law.
I am an army veteran. I find it a gross violation of God given natural rights. That people cannot easily own machine guns, nuclear weapons, and weaponized LSD.
>>30289937
>We vets know everything about firearms and what is best for the country
>Especially us POGs who did the hardest fighting of all at our desks
Seriously, fuck your relatives with a dragon dildo.
>>30290263
We generally tend to have opposing political opinions. They are pro Hillary and very very anti Trump, while I would rather trump than Hillary, since third party votes do not matter. They think if Trump is allowed his presidential right to deny entry to any group of noncitizens means he'll deport all the black next .
>>30290443
if only they were right
>>30290263
The POGs and fobbits were always the biggest statists in the military. True welfare queens.
>>30290443
>he'll deport all the black next
God wills it.
>>30290021
Thank you for your service, and sexual fantasy.
>>30289937
Show them this.
TLDR version is that handguns are used in the vast majority of crime involving firearms.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls#disablemobile
>>30290443
>Implying that enforcing our immigration laws and preventing people from illegally entering our country is somehow a bad thing
Border controls prevented the Millennium terrorist attack. Tell your relatives to fuck off and explain to them that border protections are fucking important and that we have literally zero obligation as Americans to let everyone in. Fuck, even CHINESE illegals come in through the Mexican border because it is by far the easiest way into our country. Just wait for some terrorists to figure that out and come in via Mexico.
Also we had our chance to deport blacks. It's a country called Liberia. Lincoln didn't take that chance, and now they're American citizens. So that isn't happening. So your relatives are again proving themselves to be actually retarded.
It disgusts me that jackoffs like them are allowed to vote.
>>30290674
They say it's unconstitutional to disallow immigrants based on religion. They won't listen to anything to the contrary.
They also claim most terrorist acts are by white christians
>>30290923
>They say it's unconstitutional to disallow immigrants based on religion
So long as those immigrants immigrate legally, that is the case. America is a nation of immigrants after all.
>They also claim most terrorist acts are by white christians
Tell them Kool Aid isn't a weapon of terrorism.
>>30289937
Aren't more homicides caused by handguns though?
>>30290052
I've literally seen an Army Capt. say the last one on national T.V. on the History Channel. It blew my fucking mind.
>GOOD
>SOLID
>TANK
He was on the same show.
>>30291016
Yes, but they said rifles, particularly assault rifles, can fire too much for too long and don't give people time to react, whereas a handgun is reloaded ever 7-14 shots or so.
>>30291150
>whereas a handgun is reloaded ever 7-14 shots or so
Oh how wrong they are.
>>30290021
Former MP vet and fully agree. Also a lot of officers seem to be the gun grabbing sort (generally excluding mustangs)
This vet in my uni was very against civilians owning firearms.
Got into a huge debate/argument with him.
Was presenting facts and he got butt hurt and accused me of making up the statistics and said he couldn't trust me and told me to show him. Typical, instead of attacking my points he started attacking my person. Didn't want to continue arguing so I just left.
>>30291176
>>30291181
>12 seconds apart
Hivemind
>>30290986
>America is a nation of immigrants after all.
BULLSHIT. We started as a nation of Settlers. The immigrants came much later.
>>30290021
>definitely for semiautomatic rifles for all
>semiautomatic rifles
>semi
>AR15
>Not M16
SHALL
>>30291214
>We started as a nation of Settlers
USAmerica did. But before it was USAmerica, it was a bunch of assorted european immigrants.
And some savages we named a football team after.
>>30291176
>>30291181
Not to mention I've seen glocks rigged to full auto. He could of actually went full auto with a handgun and those mags, the thought makes me smirk. Not that the police died, that they attack salt rifles in particular.
>>30291182
Combat Engineer chiming in too, cause why the fuck not, you're relatives are definitely POG's who think they're better than civilians because they fired a rifle once a year while they were in.
You're spot on, MPfag, I'd bet $20 that at least one of them was an officer who thinks everyone is a retard just like the privates they used to be in charge of.
Oh, and fuck you. You understand, Engineers and MP's and all that.
>>30290923
Moving the goal posts as to what is considered a terrorist act is a great way to alter statistics. Namely, liberals refuse to note Orlando or San Bernardino as Islamic terror attacks. Liberals are too afraid to face the music and just admit the radical Islam is a major fucking problem. They focus on the Christians because Christians are easy targets. Christians got over their age of barbarism, the Muslims have not yet done this.
We have no nations ruled by strict Christian law which demands the decapitation of homosexuals, for instance. But we do have Islamic nations under sharia law that are all too happy to crucify or decapitate their citizens for things such as homosexuality.
But sure, white christians are all that is wrong with the world. Let your idiotic relatives continue to drink the kool aid, because they clearly cannot be saved.
>>30291263
*Not that people died. Dunno why it said police, psyops!
>>30291267
Lost in the woods and tornadoes fuck you too engineer
>>30291182
It's almost like allowing every jackoff with a college degree to become an officer wasn't such a great idea. Almost like they've spent at least 4 years being heavily indoctrinated by radical socialist and communist professors to hate guns, apologize for the United States, and to generally be unpatriotic pieces of lowlife shit who simply want the perks of military service.
>>30290083
Were they officers? If so, then they don't count.
>>30289995
Thats called inductive reasoning and its used by "stupid people".
>irony levels: massive
>>30291326
Any officer that went green to gold is plenty fine in my book.
Any officer that went straight from university to gold warrants a healthy dose of suspicion.
Any officer that went straight from university to gold and then did a tour at the pentagon automatically warrants immediate suspicion.
>>30289937
They sound like THANK ME FOR MY SERVICE dysfunctional veteran faggots
>>30290062
You can build a grenade launcher and some grenade parts right now.
You may not be able to manufacture a complete grenade without a tax stamp, but with an explosives license, you can even make the propellant and charge.
I don't believe that the ATF should be involved in explosive DDs any more than issuing explosive licenses for the manufacture of them, but such devices are not for the public commons.
Bombs, missiles and explosives, when used defensively, are not discriminate weapons. You have no control over who they kill outside of the fact of how close they were to the device when it was detonated.
Without this control, they are no longer safe to use.
>>30291305
What? No of course not. It is a great idea and West Point is best point. Kidding aside the biggest problem is officer culture. The ones worth a damn and/or excellent leaders are shit on out of envy by their peers while the favorites get promoted and mentor more like themselves. This is also an issue in guard/reserve nco corps. Oh and not enough green to gold support and development.
All memes aside, there is absolutely no reason why the general population should be allowed to buy an AR-15.
>>30291291
Essayons, cockmongler.
>>30289937
>Civilians shouldn't have rifles that kill almost nobody! They should only have handguns which account for 99.9% of gun related deaths!
Even for a grabber that's fucking retarded.
>>30291347
This
>>30290923
It's not a religion. A religion is just a set of beliefs set forward that are used to both brain wash, and move society forward as a whole. A religion should instill logical social decency. (Do not steal, do not harm, do not murder, etc.)
Islam is fucking evil in every sense, and anything your relatives dislike about Christianity, Islam is worse tenfold. I am agnostic myself, and I could give two fucks what someone believes, until they start murdering in the name of their "allah".
The future of our country is fucked, because of people like your relatives who blindly follow, rather than think for themselves. It's probably the reason all civilizations eventually collapse, because once a society progresses to our point, it is ridden with a bunch of coddled self entitled human garbage.
>>30291361
>>30291361
>allowed
I am allowed simply for being human.
The government just cannot infringe my preexisting right.
Also, come on, NO reason? Even if the reason is bad, or counterproductive, or whatever, it's still a reason.
I know this is itself a meme and likely copypasta'd word for word, but still. I took the time to type this so I'm posting dammit.
>>30291390
Really nigger?
>>30291379
Yeah but if I try to bring this up it's suddenly "You're a racist brat that's too young to know any better (20) because you think all Muslims are terrorists and bluh bluh blah blah."
Even if I say that Islam is an actively regressive ideology that is still violently expansionist and allows its followers to lie if its suits the spread of their religion, I'm the bad guy.
I'm also an Uncle Tom for suggesting handgun crime might be less of a gun problem and more of a cultural problem in black communities.
And since I've got some veterans here:
I'm currently going to college for Mathematics, and I scored a 98 on my high school ASVAB, though I think there's an expiration date on those tests. I've considered enlisting after graduation (not as an officer, likely reserves) before/during grad school.
>>30291502
Just accept that your relatives are fucking dumb. They won't be changed with facts. They are emotional creatures who have been thoroughly and quite successfully brainwashed.
>>30289937
Anyone against gun ownership should be shot.
>>30291502
Air force satellite duty. We need it all the damn time and great job prospects for ages unless we space war nao
>>30290062
You can buy rocket launchers.
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/rpg-2-complete-package.aspx
>civilians should only have handguns
b-b-b...but they're concealeable! they're even more dangerous!
>>30289937
AR-15 PISTOL WITH SIG BRACE REEEEEEEEE
>>30290021
The modern American dream right here, friends.
>>30289937
The only ones I know who are against rifle ownership are Navy and Air Force POGs, but even they were in the minority.
>>30290062
The problem isn't that the 2nd details limitations, the problem is how people naturally view other people. On principle, I'll stick up for my fellow citizen to own whatever the fuck he or she wants. But I damn well know someone will 100% fuck it up in the grandest sense.
>>30291267
Fellow Combat Engineer as well. Fug da MPs :DDDD
>>30291592
https://youtu.be/0z2SKnREPEM?t=284
This sums up my feelings nicely on that bit of logic.
>>30291608
Drunk, disorderly, and disrespectful-prepare your angus
>>30290443
third party matters my friend
http://ivn.us/2012/11/01/why-5-matters-to-gary-johnson/
>>30291668
>http://ivn.us/2012/11/01/why-5-matters-to-gary-johnson/
He was actually my third party choice.
I'm not a super hard libertarian like some of /pol/, but all this recent NSA gun-grabbing bs has really made me want a downsize in government.
![Screen-Shot-2016-05-29-at-11.36.10-PM-copy[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/g34qKU3.png "Screen-Shot-2016-05-29-at-11.36.10-PM-copy[1].png")
>>30291668
>Gary Johnson
I would consider third party if they didn't nominate such an awful ticket.
I'm an artillery vet, used to work in private security, now law enforcement. Also used to be an award winning trapshooter when I was a kid. Been around guns my whole life. AND YET, every time I try to tell these idiots why they're wrong, they bask in their complete ignorance of any facts about guns. I wouldn't even bother engaging with these people because they just want to hear themselves talk so they can feel smug.
>>30291608
Drive on, Sapper.
>>30291746
Maybe they do just like feeling smart or trying to prove they're smarter than me or something. They always act like they need to prove their intelligence around me for some reason. For example, I won't vote for Hillary only because as a man I have subconscious misogyny. no other reason ,
>>30292115
Jesus H. Christ, you don't have a bunch of vets for family, you have a bunch of tumblristas. I can't believe I have to share a title and classification with such pussies. Well, I don't like associating with the "Dysfunctional, Grunt Style, Vetran" type either.
>>30292260
Well, two in particular have ALWAYS felt the need to remind me they're smart and/or smarter than me, have finished college, etc. The other is smarter than them both and seems politically neutral beyond the gun thing, plus he's pretty cool.
I can only imagine how much they'll try to disqualify my arguments after I finish my bachelors in mathematics.
>>30292320
Just don't talk to them about politics, you're not going to change their minds and don't deserve derision for still being in college. I don't talk to my family about it because I'm fairly middle of the road and they're diehard republicans. It's helped a lot, honestly.
>>30292320
Become the next Jerry Miculek, Anon. That will be your vengeance.
>>30292592
>Jerry Miculek
Kek, I don't think I can touch that level of marksmanship.
I still can't even own a gun; parents don't allow them at home, can't have one on campus.
>>30292436
But not talking about it perpetuates ignorance and leads to stuff like tonight's events.
>>30291150
>>30291176
>>30291181
>this meme
People with proper training can drop a magazine and load another in under a second so this is a completely retarded argument
>>30290110
Second reply kek
Marine OIF1 vet here - I think Mandatory service would solve a lot of America's problems including gun control and lack of national identity.
Everyone serves two years out of high school in the military or peace corps. Bolt-action and shotguns available to all citizens, but the right to battle rifles, pistols, NFA's, and AOW's should be reserved for those who served in the military.
>>30290644
Thank you. In a debate with a hippie California lawyer.
>>30292907
Go to bed 1st Sgt.
Maybe civic duty. Not everyone is cut out for the mil.
>>30290083
You're relatives sound like some real POGs, only POGs talk like that
>>30292907
Can I get a source for that webm?
>>30292983
And not everyone's cut out to handle a fire arm
>>30293004
Some indie trailer, i'm not sure if it was ever produced.
>>30291357
this.
with little to no training, a person can use a precision tool, such as a rifle or handgun, to safely defend themselves.
destructive devices are inherently unsafe - they are not precision tools and there is no way to prevent collateral damage without specialized training and safety equipment.
>>30293010
Just bantin with you devil, I was an 0311.
>>30293049
Yut!
>>30293076
Fucking Chinese Carp.
>>30293004
Anon delivers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCX65UwLls
>>30292987
One was an officer, one was a... Person? They never elaborated on their position, but were an enlisted soldier. She now studies social work.
>>30289995
You're telling me. I'm a Marine and I was an 0311 And you wouldn't believe the kind of bullshit you would hear from people who are supposed to be experts in firearms.
I truly and utterly hate the fact that people use their "hurr durr I'm a veteran" as some form of expertise reference, anyone who knows anything about the military knows that we're trained to the lowest possible standards to make us effective soldiers. Such as be in shape, bullet goes this way, iron sights or ACOG on target, safety on or off, formations, radio talk, map reading, etc
Those lowest possible standards don't include science, metallurgy, ballistics, mastery of hand to hand combat, psychology, wartime politics, etc.
Now if some spec ops Sniper for example told me something, I might be inclined to listen as long as its pertaining to what he's focused on. I wouldn't necessarily take his word on rocket science or MMA that seriously though.
So why would someone think some low level double digit IQ veteran like 99% of them should be some qualified speaker on gun control or politics?
>>30293120
Also, FYI, that vid is where Hardcore Henry evolved from, if you can't guess that.
>>30292806
Not with family. Family can and will be the most bull headed, asinine douches to argue with, and you're not likely to change their minds. Especially in OPs case, where they treat him like a child and mental midget. Nobody needs to put up with that shit.
Just because an act is homophobic, that doesn't mean it can't also have been driven by radical islam.
False dilemma, not mutually exclusive.
>>30289937
>They all agree civilians should only have handguns.
HOW THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE EVEN HUNT?
Like holy fuck. Let's erase the largest wing of firearms ownership while we're at it.
>>30291361
>there is absolutely no reason why the general population should be allowed to buy an AR-15.
I can think of reasons. Anti's can't think of reasons to not.
>>30290443
>since third party votes do not matter
If everyone dropped this shitty fucking attitude, they could actually matter
But no. Everyone has to be retarded and submit to a faggot-filled two party system.
>>30293004
Hardcore Henry. A first-person movie starring a pair of GoPros strapped to stuntment and Sharlto Copley.
>>30292907
>Hardcore Henry
>That guy has a fucking PPSH
... Kay, I gotta see this movie.
>>30293442
I'll warn you that the wide angle lens combined with the relatively narrow FOV of a movie screen, plus shakycam can easily equal queasy.
But it's still a fun action movie.
>>30289937
The meat cutter in my department is a navy vet. I asked him his thoughts on the anti-AR craze, and was surprised to hear he supports banning them
>>30293488
>navy vet.
>>30293488
>surprised to hear he supports banning them
Of course he does, he's never touched a firearm.
>>30290062
>it is
If you consider the intention of the 2nd, you'd have to come to the conclusion that a ban on handguns would make more sense than a ban on AR-15s.
(not that any ban would make sense ...)
In order to resist a state a firearm capable of fighting its troops is necessary.
Ar-15s are more suited in this regard, and compared to handguns statistically irrelevant when it comes to firearm related homicides.
Considering that the Swiss have a lower homicide rate than most European countries and you are more likely to encounter an StGw 90 than a handgun when visiting a Swiss home shows that this type of firearm is not a major contributing factor to the firearm related death rate and should be regulated less, not more than handguns.
And since it has not ben posted, and the argument of muskets will eventually show up in discussions:
https://www.youtube.com>>30293010
/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s
>>30293583 youtube link got messed up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s
>>30293264
Yeah I have no idea why they always act like that to me.
>Tfw they literally won't let you play Scrabble with them despite regularly beating your mom 1v1 and your mom beating every other relative.
>>30293264
>Family can and will be the most bull headed, asinine douches to argue with
>TFW you frequently get into facebook shitfits with your asshole "I am always better than you" enlisted cousin
>Thinks he knows fucking everything about guns, despite my proving him wrong several times
>Thinks I am not manly because I didn't enlist
>Thinks I am going nowhere with my life because I hold a warehouse job making more than he does
He's a fucking dick. I won't hold back until he finally submits.
>>30293807
just kill him, bro. then he will see that you are the better man
>>30293951
>just kill him
I'm not fucking with the law in the pursuit of my own ego-chasing.,
>>30289937
Most military personnel think a .50 BMG round passing by a person; not striking them, will be enough to kill them and/or sear flesh. No point talking to them about guns, they by and large don't know shit.
>>30289937
>>30294018
I suppose so. I'm just tired of them always trying to treat me like my opinion doesn't matter.
>>30293133
>She
she was a pog who never saw combat is what she is
probably doesn't even remember how to operate a rifle after basic training
>>30294150
She did get sent abroad, though I don't know what her experience was. I can out-shoot her on a BB gun, but I've never touched an actual firearm. Forbidden at home and at uni.
>>30294187
Holy shit you guys, how can you guys take any of this limp wrist faggot and his wook POG "veterans" seriously?
I've seen some liberals infiltrate our military but never like what this faggot is describing.
>>30294286
Ow, Anon, I'm not a limp wrist faggot.
I jerk it waaay too often to have a weak right wrist, at least.
>>30294187
>>30294187
So she went to fuckin Ramsteinn for some fucking Hammersteining.
Lah-De-Dah.
>>30294619
Nah, it was a desert level. I think Afghanistan.
>>30294670
>>30294670
In which case she probably sat in the green zone, sipping down sandraker coffee
>>30289937
Considering that the overwhelming majority of the weapons used in crimes are handguns, not rifles and that hunting, one of the major civilian uses of firearms pretty much requires a rifle I can occur your relatives are fucking dumb.
If you want to ban an entire category of weapon from being owned by civilians, which you shouldn't because it infringes on their constitutional rights handguns are the logical choice.
>>30294689
Maybe so. Both women went in the 90's and 2000's, the guy went in the 80's
You're surprised that indoctrinated slaves and volunteer authoritarians for hire don't believe common people should have guns?
>>30295653
Hey plenty of us were indoctrinated slaves, and support the second. Hell it was beat into my head to DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION against all enemies, foreign or domestic. If people can wipe their ass with the flag, which they can, then there's no question that they should be able to be armed while doing so.
It absolutely sickens me that there are men and women who swore an oath that are willing to submit, and support, legislation that would suppress guaranteed rights.
t. 12B combat vet who went to a "right to marry" rally for gays. Armed of course.
>Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
>>30289937
That's really fucking stupid. Most murders and gun crimes are done with cheap, concealable, disposable pistols, not with expensive, bulky, hard to dispose of rifles.
>>30293178
>pic goes from reasonable to rant about FAKE NERD GIRLZ and CHAD FROM 4TH PERIOD
O I am laffin
