Let's say I'm looking for the overall best into innawoods rifle around.
>large enough caliber to take down the occasional mountain lion and black bear
>reasonably light
>rugged as fuck
Shooting range let's say is 200 yds max. It doesn't need to be milsurp, although i do like the way milsurp looks.
How does the SKS, for example, compare to the AK variants in terms of ruggedness?
>>30284965
Sounds like you need a scout rifle.
Or a 45-70 lever action
>>30284965
Babys first post.
>>30284965
Just take a Nugget.
SKS is a great choice for innawoods.
The only ONLY real negative when compared to the AK is no detachable magazines, but your going innawoods, not to war.
No milsurp is light however, anon. If you want a light rifle get an Ar-15
>>30284965
Steyr Scout.
>>30284965
They're both very simple wood & steel rifles with few parts. Either an SKS or AK would make a great innawoods rifle.
Personally I take my SKS when innawoods rather than my AK, because I live in a rural area and the SKS looks more like a "hunting rifle" than the AK's iconic silhouette. Nobody looks twice when you've got an SKS slung across your back, but some people might think you're a weirdo hiking with an AK.
>>30285011
These are great rifles but I kinda hate how they made it look like a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Not everybody wants to be a street samurai console jockey, chummer
>>30285011
I've always wanted one of these in grey since I played Counterstrike
How are they? What's yours chambered in?
The idea of a .223 bolt action is kinda silly but there's a certain appeal nonetheless
>>30285045
Its not that odd looking. The only difference in appearance between the Scout and a 'standard' bolt action is that the front of the stock is further forward and the bottom than at the top, because of the bipod.
>>30285060
>How are they?
Its awesome. Super light, very accurate. Scout scope makes it extremely fun to use.
>What's yours chambered in?
.308
>The idea of a .223 bolt action is kinda silly but there's a certain appeal nonetheless
The .223 Scouts are hard to find, but they make amazing small game rifles.
>>30284965
I'd say the vz58 is easily the best woods rifle I've used. (vz2008 is probably ok, but I trust it less after handling one and noticing considerably worse fit/finish) Whether you use the comfy fixed stock, or the space saving and reasonably comfortable folder is up to you. I prefer the fixed overall. It's extremely light and I feel like I can carry it forever no matter how shitty the terrain, especially when I use 10rd mags and the handy and light mag pouch that goes with them and holds 40 more rounds, or 60 if I only stuff it with strippers.
It's so much easier to carry stripper clips IMO when I'm out tromping around too. And IMO, a 220rd chest rig is more comfy than all those pounds of 30rd mags hanging from a military mag pouch on a belt.
>Shooting range let's say is 200 yds max
That's literally nothing for 762x39, up to 400 is pretty doable with ak/sks style irons so long as you can actually see your target that far out. If you are worried about accuracy with budget ammo, buy golden tiger ammo. I had my own disappointments with bear/barnaul accuracy when I shot them through optics and have seen youtubes showing wolf clocking at 2000fps average from a 16in barrel, while tiger was reaching advertised velocities of 2350 in the same AK. Also, tiger has a yaw-happy, longer, boat tailed bullet, about as ideal for killing as it gets for FMJ bullets.
And one reason to choose 762x39 in general is that I've found it to be fairly easy on the ears if you do take a shot without earpro, at least without a muzzle brake to louden it.
>How does the SKS, for example, compare to the AK variants in terms of ruggedness?
You'd never know the difference. But both the vz and ak are more rugged IMO for one MAJOR reason. The gas piston spring in the sks can easily fly off into oblivion if you aren't careful disassembling the gas system. It'd be extremely easy to lose it. Other than that, you really can't screw it up.
>>30284965
Get an ak, or a quality ar.
Or just get an sks.
Savage makes good bolt actions, CZ mannlicher makes better ones.
Stay away from Remington unless you want to refinish your gun or something.
Even a 10/22 is good, just accuracy train. And you can carry loads of ammo.
You posted a pic of the sks, just remember that the ak is an improved design on that. Also, getting an "assult rifle" is a good idea before they are banned entirety.
Pic related is my innawoods gun
>>30285157
And I should have added that a big advantage of the sks is just the longer sight radius. It makes it easier to shoot more accurately.
>>30285107
Have you encountered any difficulty with rings not being compatible with the top rail? The reviews I've read seem to mention it.
>>30285159
Do you really go hiking in the woods with a tactic'ed-out AUG?
People must think you're some kind of deranged paratrooper lol
>>30285196
I use either it or my ar308 , both equally tacticool
I wish somebody made a wood stock for the AUG.
They are pretty decent for innawoods. Aug can basically do anything any rifle can do, and malfunctions are few and far between, and cleaning it and keeping it oiled are a breeze. ARs get dirty and need cleaning I never need to clean the Aug, I do it for fun.
The ar308 is a bitch to clean but holy shit is it fun to magdump into pigs
It's funny you say paratrooper, I really want to get an airborne WWII uniform that they sell for reenactments.
> Be easy company
>>30285183
You need to use STANAG compatible rings. If you use rings that don't comply, and have a short cross bolt, then you may end up with peening of the cross slots. I use the Warne QR low rings on mine.
>>30285278
What makes the ar308 hard to clean?
Do more Innadesert than innawoods, so practical ranges go out a bit farther. Fairly bulky being slav surplus, but fun as shit
>>30285181
Is that a rotor?
>>30285927
Opener discs from a planter, I get 48 of them every couple years. And I guess I could probably ask anyone around and get tons more if I actually ran out.
They make great targets at the 100 yard range, or way out in a farm field during the winter. They're 13.5inches so it's a really nice target size at any distance.
They're only 1/8in thick or so, but stop anything up to centerfire rifle pretty much. 762x39 just barely brute forces it's way through sometimes.
>>30285631
The size of the BCG, and the fact it's not piston driven, which I intend to improve soon. The Aug just breaks down do easy.
>>30284980
>scout rifle
This is a stupid idea that no one ever ends up sticking with
>made for Swiss winters
>rugged as fuck
>accurate as fuck
>awesome ammo
>real bayonet
>reliable
Why not the K31?
>>30284965
>"I'm too much of a poorfag to afford an AK" the post
>>30284965
I stopped taking my SKS's into the woods regularly when I got a Winchester 94 in 30-30.
Better sights, better trigger, much slimmer, the only things protruding from the lines of the gun are the sights and hammer, and it's 3 lbs lighter. The muzzle energy is comparable between 7.62x39 and .30-30, but the .30-30 typically loads bullets between 150-180 grains, which are much more desirable in my opinion as hunting projectiles.
There are whole families of guns that were developed from the ground up for handy innawoodsing. Milsurp is less than ideal, regardless of what /k/ tells you.
>>30284965
Ar in 300blk or Ar in 308
>>30285196
A short barrel a1 with a 20 round mag would be a totally kick ass inna wood gun.
>>30286478
A lightweight, high power, accurate, quick to aim rifle is a stupid idea? Shocking!
If your only beef with the "Scout rifle" concept is the forward mounted optic, you can always use an AccuPoint or something. Still fairly fast to get on target, variable zoom for precision.
OP here, AK 103 or AR 308? Where would you even find a 103?
I've shot pistols before, but nothing like an SKS. Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).
The recoil bruised my palms, which can happen if you don't know what you're doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions--loud like a bomb--gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun a few times, I was anxious and irritable.
>>30288530
Don't join the military then..
>>30288530
Fuck off, Kuntzman
>>30287226
But then it's not actually a scout rifle.
>inb4 b-but it's marketed as one!
Doesn't matter, meets literally none of the criteria as laid out by its inventor Jeff Cooper.
Which are:
>carbine length
>low-power fixed power forward mounted LER scope of no more than 4x magnification
>under 7lbs loaded
>equipped with a Ching Sling (by name, has to be a Ching Sling and no other form of marksman's sling)
>has stripper clip guides and an internal box magazine capable of holding between 3 and 5 rounds (no more, no less)
>chambered in either .308 or 7mm-08 to take advantage of that massive surplus of military .308 bolt-action rifles with stripper clip-oh wait that's right Jeff Cooper was literally fucking retarded
If it has a detachable mag it's not a scout rifle
If it is chambered in anything other than .308 or 7mm-08 it's not a scout rifle
If it has a variable power scope or one higher than 4x magnification it's not a scout rifle
If it doesn't have stripper clip guides it's not a scout rifle
>>30288628
You're mostly wrong.
An unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3 kg (6.6 lb); with 3.5 kilograms (7.7 pounds) the maximum acceptable.
An overall length of 1 meter (39 inches) or less. These two characteristics place scout rifles into the general class of carbines.
A forward-mounted telescopic sight of low magnification, typically 2 to 3 power. This preserves the shooter's peripheral vision, keeps the ejection port open to allow the use of stripper clips to reload the rifle, and eliminates any chance of the scope striking one's brow during recoil. Cooper has stated that a telescopic sight is not mandatory.
Ghost ring auxiliary iron sights: a rear sight consisting of a receiver-mounted large-aperture thin ring, and typically a square post front sight. This allows the rifle to be accurately aimed at short to medium ranges even if the scope becomes damaged.
A "Ching" or "CW" sling. Against common practice, Cooper advocated the use of a sling as a shooting aid. The Ching sling offers the convenience of a carrying strap and the steadiness of a target shooter's sling with the speed of a biathlete's sling. (The CW sling is a simpler version of a Ching sling, consisting of a single strap.)
A standard chambering of .308 Winchester/7.62×51mm NATO or 7mm-08 Remington for locales that forbid civilian ownership of cartridges in chamberings adopted by military forces or for its "slightly better ballistics."[4] As Cooper wrote, "A true Scout comes in .308 or 7mm-08."[5] The .243 Winchester is an alternative for young, small-framed, or recoil-shy people, but needs a 22" barrel. Cooper also commissioned "Lion Scout," chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum cartridge.
Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 meters/yards (3 shot groups).
>>30288530
you missed the part about the bazooka.
>>30286483
Because i cant find ammo faggot
>>30288670
>you're mostly wrong
>here, let me repeat exactly what you typed
>>30288670
2/2
These features dictated short, thin barrels, synthetic stocks, and bolt actions. Other optional features included a retractable bipod, detachable magazines, a butt magazine, and an accessory rail for lights and other attachments. The addition of some of these features often render the rifle technically not a scout as originally defined, but this has come to be accepted by many as still conforming to the spirit if not the letter of the concept.
Nothing above mentions variable power is prohibited.
Nothing stops you from using quick detach rings and swapping scopes as needed.
Nothing stops you from using a forward mounted red dot instead.
Cooper would have been fine with a variable zoom forward mounted scope, so long as it maintained reliability and went down to 2 power at wide.
You don't have to strictly adhere to Cooper's exact vision if your specific rifle, needs, or preferences require a different setup.
The main point is a lightweight, fast to aim rifle in a powerful cartridge.
>>30288713
Cooper specifically said detatchable mags are OK.
Cooper also stated that .243 Win is OK, as is .350 Rem Mag.
Cooper never said that variable power optics are a no go.
Cooper endorsed the Steyr Scout, which does not have stripper clip guides.
Please read.
>>30285863
you wrapped sports tape on there?
>>30285863
I've also got an M48. What kinda MOA do you shoot with yours?
What's better than the savage 11 scout. Legitimately asking.
>>30289299
Ruger Gunsite Scout, Steyr Scout.
Savage is a weighty treat.
>>30284965
>Let's say I'm looking for the overall best into innawoods rifle around.
It is the SKS. No magazines to carry, no cleaning kit to carry, looks nondescript, can cook hotdogs off the bayonet
>Black bear, mountain lion, 200m
Yes. 7.62x39 is fine for that. .308 is better if you've got grizzlys.
>reasonably light
The SKS is tremendously overbuilt and pays for it in weight at 8.5lbs as issued. Taking off the bayonet helps some, but if you're a fat fuck you might want to take the AK since it's almost 2lbs lighter.
>How does the SKS, for example, compare to the AK variants in terms of ruggedness?
You can't derive useful information from that comparison. Both are among the most rugged rifles ever built.
This isn't to say they're infallible, but both can withstand years of hard use and still function effectively.
>>30284965
The vz58 is my personal favorite.
>weighs 6.4 pounds
>milled receiver
>high quality chrome lined barrel made by walther
>swings and points very quickly
It's just ultra comfy and ultra light. Buy the CSA rifle, not the century parts kit.
>>30289549
No mags to carry means loose ammo or fragile stripper clips.
>>30289607
>fragile stripper clips
Are you throwing them into a wood chipper or something?
>>30284965
Read what you want, but Siminov clearly designed the SKS completely for innawoods.
I prefer the chink fiberglass stocks, even if they're a little more heavy.
>>30288583
new Copypasta
>>30289607
And?
It's a fucking innawoods thread....you know....where that sort of thing is acceptable.
>>30289663
Stripper clips are vulnerable to spilling their spaghetti if bumped right. Hardly ideal when 3 hogs are closing in.
>>30286537
this man knows
i'll add that the pump shotgun goes well underrated on /k/ for a woods gun. anything you could hit with the open sights on a rifle you could hit with a shotgun slug, plus there's great variety for shotgun rounds.
SKS doesnt do anything the AK does better, and it is much less reliable and prone to slam fires.
theres a reason they dropped the POS after 4 years.
>>30285084
It think he's more on about the stock.
>>30284965
test
>>30284965
Get an AKM and load it with Hornady SST rounds. Those soft points will FUCK things up better than most other 7.62x39 rounds.
>>30288530
This is some fresh pasta.
>>30284965
SVT if you wish to take down skinwalkers and provide volley fire at 1000 yrds :^)
>>30289784
>Stripper clips are vulnerable to spilling their spaghetti if bumped right.
In the worst case scenario, you lose 2-3 rounds off the end? It's not a catastrophic failure.
Stripper clips work just as well as they always have. They're not a modern way to load a firearm, but they're hardly a crushing Achilles heel to the design.
Certainly you'd have to be in pretty exceptional circumstances to need more than 10 rounds of 7.62x39 to defend yourself against wild animals. Even in grizzly country most people are quite comfortable packing 4+1 12ga. Part of being a good innawoods rifle isn't just the effectiveness defending against predators, but the portability and how well the rifle packs.
A rifle that doesn't have anything to snag on bush, and is fed with ammunition that fits neatly into a bandolier or on clips kept in a pocket has pretty significant advantages.
>>30289886
>and it is much less reliable and prone to slam fires.
clean and oil your rifle you degenerate
>>30284965
Mini 14 ranch rifle, bar none.
>5.56/.223 more than enough to take down or scare off dangerous wildlife
>lightweight
>can take some serious abuse
>looks suave
>>30290210
is it necessary to oil an SKS?
and what parts do I oil?
>>30290210
It's the design that causes the firing pin channel to foul up fast, tilting bolt just isnt reliable
>>30290185
>fumbling around with a gun that only holds 10 rounds instead of spending 2 seconds to insert a 30 round magazine while you would have to reload 3 times, oh but the rifle wont even hold that.
>you don't need more then 10 rounds
>gun grabber wording to defend a surplus POS
>>30290408
you can get detachable mags for an SKS
>>30290452
good idea, make the already fairly unreliable design 4x more unreliable.
now you have a ak wannabe package that is no where close to AK levels of reliability and ease of use.
>>30290388
It's literally fine if you clean your gun once awhile.
>>30290466
>fairly unreliable design 4x more unreliable
Jesus christ you are melodramatic. Go jack off over your Arsenal you faggot
>>30290467
You don't need to do this on a AK, that makes it a negative, if were talking SHTF will you be able to stop and break down your gun and bolt every 500 rounds?
Guy with the sks is down and out while AK guy keeps going.
>>30290490
>mad with his $300 used surplus gun
>>30290510
how's that bubbling finish, cuck?
>>30285045
>Not everybody wants to be a street samurai console jockey, chummer
says who
>>30284965
I use my mini 14 as my innawoods/farm gun.
>>30290533
my 2 have no issues, so I guess mine are worth even more then the usual arsenal =)
>>30284965
This thread devolved into AK vs SKS mud flinging with WASR faggots mad they can't cough up a couple more bucks for something nicer.
SKS are jammamatics these days. If you want a reliable slav gun, the AK is the way to go. If you want something good that's easier to find parts for, then get an AR. There really isn't much more to discuss on this. The AK has a cleaning kit just like the SKS but I have found AKs to be far less prone to random jams since they aren't stuck with one mag spring.
Best long guns for the woods in my opinion:
>SKS
>AK and derivatives (folding stocks are a plus)
>AR and derivatives
>lever action rifles (92, 94, 336 etc)
>pump action shotguns (500, 870, 37, etc)
>*milsurp bolt actions (SMLE, mauser, 1903, etc)
*Weight is probably the biggest issue on these, but they're great rifles if you can handle it
>>30288530
The first half gets my dick hard. The second half retracts it back into my body from the beta ooze.
>>30290388
>It's the design that causes the firing pin channel to foul up fast, tilting bolt just isnt reliable
Tilting bolt is fine as far as reliability is concerned. Accuracy is the main concern since it gives a less consistent lock up.
Rifles that are neglected and allowed to rust, or rifles that were never adequately cleaned of cosmoline can have problems with slam fires because of the free floating firing pin. I would bet 99% of all slamfires are caused by people shooting corrosive and then letting the gun park in a humid place without cleaning for 3 years.
You'd have to be completely neglectful or just plain ignorant of how firearms function to not notice your firing pin seizing up. I've shot my rifle several hundred rounds at a time and my firing pin has never come close to a point where it would slamfire.
>>30290377
You should oil or grease every gun. They are just steel and they will rust away if you neglect them.
Oil the barrel, piston, gas tube, springs, and contacting surfaces on the bolt and bolt carrier. If you're firing corrosive ammo, pour water down the barrel and gas tube to clean out the corrosive salts. Inspect the trigger group and bolt for function periodically.
If you're planning on storing the rifle for awhile, give everything a light coat of oil.
>>30290571
better not magdump them ;)
>>30290343
AHAHAHAH
>>30290716
>Oil the gas tube
>>30290732
found the noguns
>>30290492
>if were talking SHTF
We're not, but yes.
AK guy has to stop and take time to refill his magazines, probably multiple times.
>>30290466
>make the already fairly unreliable design.
>>30290806
Mini-14s are inferior in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT to an AR15. Outside of aesthetics, there is absolutely no fucking reason to buy one over an AR.
A wasr 10 is good if you get one made within the last couple years.
>>30290904
Whatever you say...
>>30290904
>EVERY SINGLE ASPECT
Yet he offers no examples or evidence to back up such a wild claim.
Go ahead and continue living on as a mall ninja with your tricked out ar.
>>30290492
>if were talking SHTF will you be able to stop and break down your gun and bolt every 500 rounds?
No, because we're talking about chilling innawoods, not SHFT.
>>30285005
You mean the gay away gun?
>>30290492
If shtf 500 rounds is a fuckton of ammunition to be expending if you want to survive
>>30291049
This desu.
500 rounds of 7.62x39 is a lot of weight anyways.
Have fun carrying a tent and all of your other shit.
>inb4 a hammock fag jumps on my ass
>>30284965
I've got a yugo sks. Haven't had a malfunction, accurate iron sights + flip up night sights, and the 10 round stripper clips are reasonable for an innawoods situation.
>>30290993
Old production Mini-14s have shit accuracy. Proprietary mags. .223 is a little light for black bears. A little bit expensive.
That's about it. They're a nice rifle if you want something discreet.
>>30284965
SKS also makes good kindling
>>30291189
>hardwood
There's a special place in hell for doing this.
>>30291217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j39DYJEJ9i8
torture test))))))
>>30290936
>>30290993
They're a lot more fucking unreliable, less accurate, proprietary mags and much more expensive than a basic bitch AR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcfqZFWpk9s
>inb4 butthurt retards
the same test has been done dozens of times with the AR, and it passed it almost every time
>>30290721
I have several times.
>>30290716
7.62x39 doesnt benefit from a barrel longer then 16", the sks is not capable of the accuracy difference you would find between a 16" and 20" barrel, it's like a quarter of a moa, negligible.
>>30288912
looks like its covering a crack
>>30288628
Quit being a cunt m8
My type 53 is my trunk/innawoods gun.
Reasonably accurate, pig sticker attached. Cheap, available ammo.
If i ever have to go innawoods away from home its better than nothing.
>>30287226
What glass?
Do you ever have any trouble finding the reticle with a distracting wooded background?
>>30291189
Lies that isn't yugo>>30291189
Don't take an SKS OP, while you will probably be okay when confronted with a bear or something you don't want to gamble with your life. There is literally no reason to not take a full sized cartridge with you, .308 or .30-06 would be your best bet. Or even better just get yourself a 12 gauge with slugs.
>>30289869
I think /k/ on average is afraid of being called a fudd, or really just wants an excuse to buy and fire big bore rifles. I think shotguns are neat, though. My next gun will be a 12 gauge shotgun of some kind, either a pump action or a VEPR-12.
>>30284965
>>30285005
>The only ONLY real negative when compared to the AK is no detachable magazines
Don't listen to him OP, there are plenty of 20 minute videos online, including youtube videos, of people showing you how to modify it where you can have a 30 mag or even a drum mag.
SKS is one of the best surplus rifles out there (with the exception of the type 56 since i throw up in my mouth whenever i see one, Yugo for life).
>>30288684
Then reload you dumb nigger.
>>30292386
Image is a Trijicon Accupoint. Image is not mine, but I own one with the amber reticle. Never had any issues.
>>30290904
I mean, what if he just wants one? Is that not a good enough reason?
