Alright, /k/, in a full fledged war, who would win: Starship Trooper's Mobile Infantry(Book) or Warhammer 40k's Ultramarines?
Alternatively, the movie Mobile Infantry or the Imperial Guard.
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>>30281105
Are you fucking stupid? 40k in both scenarios.
>>30281105
WH40k
Because WH40k is the only place where overkill is underkill.
>>30281105
MI on account of nukes, lots of nukes, and not being dumb enough to needlessly wade into melee.
Movie MI is dumb as hell but still uses nukes fairly freely.
>>30281173
dog, have you never heard of an extermanitus?
>>30281144
The book MI is pretty badass desu. They have tactical nukes as their primary weapons, along with rocket launchers and basically giant blowtorches. That, and Mobile Infantrymen a mile apart is practically shoulder to shoulder fighting.
That, and the armor is impervious to almost everything except a certain bug plasma.
>>30281105
>starship troopers
Highly specialized and trained
>space marines
Genetically modified and trained for decades for the sole purpose of war
>imperial guard
"We will choke thier guns with bodies!"
Yeah 40k for the win
>>30281105
Don't forget the imperial guard and space marines are ungodly fucking OP when compared to basically any other faction from any other work of media, the only thing that keeps the from being OP in their own universe is because everything else is equally OP.
I mean we're talking trillions of fucking guardsmen.
>>30281183
Starship troopers specifically mentions planet cracking weapons and star exploding weapons that are in inventory but used only when absolutely necessary if the planet could be worth colonizing.
So yes, I have.
>>30281214
And if that doesn't work they'll just blow the planet up.
>In fealty to the God Emperor of Mankind, our undying lord, I declare Exterminatus upon this world.
>>30281105
Do you think Mobile Infantry could survive in actual hell, moving through a reality that is nothing but pure emotion and concentrated FUCK YOU, where a single slip up will cause you to literally get fucked to death?
Yeah, Imperium does that shit daily.
What the fuck has the mobile infantry done? Kill some "babies first Tyranid?"
MI is just highly-trained mundane humans in power armor. W40K Space Marines have warred with power-armored mundanes many times and come out on top. The scale of warfare in 40K is hella OP, the Great Crusade era even more so.
And that doesn't even account for warp-fuckery.
>>30281105
Just the ultramarines, like by themselves?
In an equal numbers fight against standard space marines I think the book MIs stand a good chance. Their suits are equivalent to 40k jump jet power armor, giving them a significant mobility advantage over a standard sphees mureen, as for weapon bolters are no joke but the combination of Davy Crocket esque nuke launchers, rpgs and the rough equivalent of meltas as standard equipment for the MIs gives them an edge in that department.
If we had a 10v10 battle between MIs and 40k space marines I would say the MIs would win a skirmish for control of an area, but the space marines have a definite advantage in a defensive battle with prep time, provided the MIs don't just loose a nuke on them and go home.
I'd put IGs well over the movie MIs though, they have similar tactics ad equipment with the notable difference of the IGs getting lasguns over the futuristic RFBs the MIs had in the movies. Granted the MIs have a liberal nuking policy, but the nukes seem to be one launcher per squad or platoon and are not the force multiplier of a lasgun in every mans arms.
>>30281105
Well considering there are less than 1000 ultras I would say MI has the advantage.
>>30281105
DOOMguy wins.
>40cucks actually think that the spess muhreens can win
Each MI trooper carries more firepower than an entire chapter of SM's, and have access to atomic weapons.
In 40K, nuclear weapons do not exist, and spess muhreen armor can be penetrated by looking at it the wrong way.
>>30281276
>Do you think Mobile Infantry could survive in actual hell, moving through a reality that is nothing but pure emotion and concentrated FUCK YOU, where a single slip up will cause you to literally get fucked to death?
They don't need to, they have a real method of FTL travel that doesn't involve losing entire ship's worth of dudes every time you make a run to the corner store.
>>30282108
The space marines don't need nuclear weapons, entire populations of planets have been wiped out by a single psyker, and have done so from well out of range of a nuclear weapon
>>30282108
Someone has never played anything 40k related
>>30282133
>>30282138
Space Marines are basically heavy battle tanks that look like people. Mobile Infantry are basically bomber jets. I don't know why this is a contest.
I think we're missing a very important thing here when talking about MI using nukes.
Space Marines live in a world 38,000 years after the nuke was invented. They could most likely be outfitted with nuke launchers as easily as the US army could be outfitted with simple bolt action rifles. It would take one fight to arm them equally: then it all comes down to training and individual strength. Spes muhreens win.
>>30281105
have you guys done your 7 ton bench press warm up today?
>>30282276
>They could most likely be outfitted with nuke launchers as easily as the US army could be outfitted with simple bolt action rifles. It would take one fight to arm them equally: then it all comes down to training and individual strength. Spes muhreens win.
But they don't have these, and in 40k tech isn't just invented or adopted, because lolmuhheresy
Autists actually think their spess muhreens will win shit.
They physically wouldn't be able to move. Just fucking look at their bodies. I doubt they would be able to hold an arm out straight in front of them.
Who ever designed them is a fucking idiot. Too much muscle mass.
>>30281105
Ultramarines have plot armor they win every time.
Not to be a 40k fag but if you can fight off the tyranids you can likely fight off anything
>MI
>normal man without armor.
>pushed to limit because of 'nid like creatures
>Imperium
>space marine without armor is still a super man
>kills billions and holds entire planets with a force of less than a few thousand
>able to throw billions of men and thousands of mary sue men without care
>will nuke entire solar system if it even hints at being a tough fight
>fights actual 'nids
It's not that MI are bad, it's just space marines are 13 year old Divient Art OC tier
>>30283296
>Implying MI doesn't have armor
>>30283312
>implying that's what was implied
an MI is a normal man without armor.
they pilot big suit. but normal man
space marine is Mary sue even without his foot of bullshitonium covering.
>>30283249
What are you talking about? Muscle mass lets you move faster, or are you one of those "superior speed" anime faggots?
>>30281105
My vote goes to the Mobil Infantry.
They seem a lot more coordinated and intelligent where as Marines are more "fall out of the sky and shoot everywhere".
Plus they look more dank.
>inb4 someone drags the Blackstone Forts into it or some dumb shit the Marines don't actually have
>>30281105
In equal numbers or similarly organized detachments? Book MI all the way. If you allowed the IoM all of its logistical resources then yeah, they'd win.
However, I'd back Rico's Roughnecks against a company of space marines. Maybe a chapter if they didn't have their Battle Barges or space borne support. That's where 40k would have a distinct advantage due to fuckhueg ships, energy shields and generally ignoring the laws of physics.
>>30282138
What, you wanna do this by tabletop rules?
Aight, you get three thousand points of space marines. Anything you want. I don't care.
On the opposite side of the table is your enemy. Except he's not on the opposite side of the table. He's in reserves. He can still shoot at you from there. He's armed with a no-scatter deathstrike launcher with three shots and a range longer than your table. He's got twin linked heavy flamers, an ap6 melee weapon, hit and run and jump jets with a range longer than your table. His Y-racks allow him to dispense demo packs twice per turn at a range longer than your table. He can Swoop, Hover and Jink.
He did not come alone.
>>30283984
At three thousand points, I'd take a battle barge.
Lore and rules are hard to translate. A tactical squad can pacify a rebelling planet. A company of marines can fight against massive numbers of xenos. A chapter can literally wipe a planet clean with infantry and armor alone.
But a tactical squad can lose in melee with a bunch of humans with sticks and knives in crunch.
What is the standard organization of a starship trooper force that requires use of Mobile Infantry? This 1v1 kind of shit is pointless when the lore isn't meant to be balanced against each other. At some point it's going to be the entire imperium against the entire starship trooper government, which most likely would never happen when lore dictates that everyone is to be fighting everyone else in 40k at every second, spreading everyone so thin that the plot doesn't move until the returns on a crusade go through finally.
>>30284396
>A tactical squad can pacify a rebelling planet.
Fucking source? A tac squad is max ten marines. That's a lot of heavy metal that can be used as a linebreaker for the guard to swoop in, but a single tac squad can be overwhelmed by numbers of weaker units if they're left unsupported.
>At three thousand points, I'd take a battle barge.
U wot. You can't take a battle barge in tabletop.
If you read the op, he said the entire Starship Troopers Mobile Infantry vs the Ultramarines. That's 1,000 space marines max (codex astartes does not support any higher) vs the entire military of a multi-system terran republic.
The republic has planet crackers and gleefully glassed a few planets before, but I'll limit to the MI only per the OP. MI scout suits survived close proximity to nuclear CAS on Klendathu. They were literally impervious to the bugs in melee (Remember the part where Rico gets dropped into the sinkhole full of worker bugs and realizes he's not in danger? The same bugs that could tunnel through solid rock were not a threat in close combat.) Basically, you could drop an MI suit into a horde of gaunts and expect it to survive, though the bigger tyranid organisms might be a stretch.
Before you pull any "muh psykers" bullshit, the MI had attached psi specialists too. That's how they mapped out the tunnels prior to the brain bug drop. Not as flashy as 40k psykers, but not as dangerous either.
Any ground deployment of Adeptus Astartes by the Ultramarines would be wiped out by a platoon or two of MI. If they stated on their battle barge the entire time, I think it's fair to drag the Terran Navy into it. Nukes. Lots of nukes.
>>30281105
You have no idea just how stupidly overpowered the entire WH40k series is.
>>30281836
>Just the ultramarines, like by themselves?
Captain Titus and 20 good men would get it done.
>>30282108
>In 40K, nuclear weapons do not exist, and spess muhreen armor can be penetrated by looking at it the wrong way.
Why would they need nukes when they have much nastier shit?
>>30287078
> MI scout suits survived close proximity to nuclear CAS on Klendathu. They were literally impervious to the bugs in melee (Remember the part where Rico gets dropped into the sinkhole full of worker bugs and realizes he's not in danger? The same bugs that could tunnel through solid rock were not a threat in close combat.)
Actually the worker bugs just ignored them. And their suits were quite vulnerable to the particle beam weapons the bug warriors carried. The MI's advantage is maneuverability and sheer violence of action. They can zip around the battlefield at insane speeds and are constantly raining shit down on their enemies.
Literally shock and awe 40 years before it happened in real life.
>I think it's fair to drag the Terran Navy into it. Nukes. Lots of nukes.
More like quantum weaponry, considering they can destroy stars. The Terran ships are no fucking joke. Their troop ships joy ride around enemy territory by themselves like it's fucking nothing.
