Ok /k/ how fucked I am?
>>30276881
What's in the ruck?
>>30276881
Not at all, you on't live in the US.
>>30276881
Tovarisch looks to have little ammunition. What else do you carry in backpack?.
>>30276881
you could loose the blousing bands and get a pair or two of socks, some gloves, and more than one mag if you don't have more in your bag
>>30276881
I specify that I have military training (have done military service).
I'm plaining on buying a plate-carrier, new back and a medic kit (I have already 2 military first aid kits, the 2 grey packings between the watch and the Alpenflag coat).
>>30276981
but do you have more ammo, /k/omrade?
Pretty fucked.
Takbir will behead you while you're getting starbucks or gas instead of hitting you up while you're home.
>>30276881
In Europe with that setup in you're in the top 5%. Pretty nice, also you're a mountain fagg, nothing will happen to your well organized country
>>30276912
-My med kit (pic related)
-Camelback
-Thermic underwear (top and down)
-Sleeping bag (normally but in my cave now)
-Rifle and shoes cleaning kits
-AlpenFlag coat (camping)
-And almost all the stuff you see that I can't put in my pockets because I have no harness/vest/plat-carrier.
>>30277001
I have only one round.
>>30277266
decent med kit, pretty good gear. do you have four season wear? how much ammo? how much non perishable food? I assume your access to water is pretty good.
>>30277277
Well save it for yourself then. You'll likely come to a point where its your only good option in shtf scenario.
Where get woodland alpenflage
Look gtg, do you have hydration brosef?
Here's mine rate/hate guys
>>30277277
Why just the one?
>>30277675
Pretty good.
though i don't think you got enough fire, homie. :^)
>>30277319
Like your kit man. Do you have a sleeping bag? Do you have military coats/tent? You should put that blanket in your backpack for a better environment protection.
Also your shoes seems a little bit to "weak".
>>30277321
I'm already planning on doing that. Plus plate carrier/gloves (camelbak, the same that I had in the army and pretty good)/ballistic glasses/MRE
I'll get an OD plate-carrier (without plates for now) almost in this configuration:
-4 rifle mag pouches (same as in the pic)
-1 med kit pouch
-1 utility pouch
Plus
-1 dump pouch
Maybe
-1 admin pouch
-1 radio pouch
>>30277410
The Taz90 you mean? I get that when I was in the army.
>>30277277
Listen here, Mountain Jew. Restock on ammo, write to your representatives to protect your firearms, and if they come to take 'em, do what you have to do as a last resort. Buy the ammo, you are going to need it. Also maintain your body. A storm is brewing in Europe and it isn't going to be pretty
>>30276881
You made your thread a week to early. I'm organizing my room with all my spare shit from sea bag next week and was gonna get some stuff together.
Pretty much what I while in except flak saps and a Kevlar.
>Woodland cammies + boots
>10 30 rnd clipazinez GI
>Civilian m4 w/ sling
>Kahr p380 pocket pistol
Then since I don't have a plate carrier most else goes in my ruck. I'll lurk to see what others suggest.
Also I don't want a plate carrier I prefer to travel light, but if anyone knows a good lbe molle vest I'd take the suggestion.
>>30277805
Out of intrest why ten mags? I carry between 5 and 7 depending on how I organize my loadout. 10 mags just seems a little excessive for a SHTF loadout.
>tfw Commie commonwealth
Only way I can access arms if I go to the nearest National Guard armory... But chances are slim since I'll get shot anyways unless it's abandoned. Best things I have for a weapon is this melee crap but the tall grasses and trees can provide great cover and shelter to sleep above ground. How fucked am I, /k/? The only benefit is I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, where the old school city is a few minute drive away and where woods surround me in an irrelevant as fuck US territory
>>30277856
That's how many I own. Like I said I haven't thrown anything together yet. So I'm lurking to see what others use.
I agree, I'll probably go with 7.
>>30277884
Fuck forgot pic
>>30277675
I have Camelbak 3L Thermobak and a 2L that came with my black backpack and my military gourd (1L). I usually used the camelbak and the gourd for a 3-4L of water with me when I was in the army. I'll do the same now.
>>30277887
If you want I can post the plan for my loadout
>>30276881
if you live outside of switzerland, you better disguise that sg or someone will kill you day one for it
ESPECIALLY if they're american
>>30277778
not in the summer no, I carry a wool blanket instead. tent in the pack, I dont like military winter gear, most civilian stuff is lighter and warmer.
>merrel moabs
>weak
no.
>>30277675
Lol, when people sit in a circle passing around a beer it always sucks having to hand them a lighter each time
>>30276881
>mfw thumbnail looked like a TAZ-90 combat shirt
The plan for my marching order.
>>30278015
And this is the gear that's going in my ruck for my serious SHTF i gotta go ruck.
>>30278033
just one pair of underwear? how much space would you really be losing to gain a little extra shart insurance?
>>30278033
>>30277922
Knowledge is power. Let's hear it.
>>30277781
I will go to my local range to see what I can do about the EU gun ban law and yes I'm planning on restocking. The thing is I'm a student so I can not buy a lot at the same time. I'll need to buy shits like plate-carrier too tho.
I'm already fit. I workout 5x/week, run 1-2x/week for 4 years now. I have done military service. I also have twice a weel martial arts training. I can difficultly do more than that.
>>30278058
>>30278054
Front ways back ways turn inside out front and back plus this is the gear in my ruck I will also have a pair on me.
>>30278058
My autism demands why some items marked yellow.
>>30278074
Of course I am always open to critique so lay it on me. I will not this is not a patrol loadout, this is the shit I will use if I actually need to get the fuck out of somewhere.
whats the most slav-tastic SHTF equipment
>>30278100
It was my own autism marking the difference between clothing, hygene/food, general gear, and misc
R8/h8? I've got an s&w ar15, 10/22td, G20, ILBE pack full of innawoods gear and assault pack plus my trusty old boots. Waiting on a tac vest mag carrier. Main pack has my hammock sleeping bag ammo and survival essentials
>>30278033
MOAR SOCKS
>>30278074
I do realize I haven't put any additional ammunition in my ruck. How much would you say is reasonable to carry in addition to the mags with all the shit in the bag?
>>30278142
How many would you suggest?
>>30278065
Great. So how can one obtain citizenship in Swizterland?
>>30278074
>op happens upon an abandoned convenience store
>goes in to replenish his snickers stash in spite of what it's been doing to his shits
>its_a_trap.mp3
>op attempts to fire on them, but due to being jacked up on sugar he manages to drop his mag and blast a hole in a 2 liter on a shelf (heh heh)
>his assailants close in and force him to the ground, content to take his ass rather than his life
>as they remove his pants, they discover his snickershit encrusted underwear
>a smell reminiscent of burning molasses fills the air and chokes the lungs of his would be rapists
>op, suffering from a massive sugar induced panic attack, shivering and embarrassed, blasts a viscus stream of diabetes inducing shit mixture directly onto the chest of the lead attacker
>he immediately vomits all over op's ass and falls into a fetal position with his pants around his ankles, unable to stand from shock and the sheer smell
>the other 2 simply begin slowly walking away, having lost all interest in touching anything op owns
>op proceeds to wipe his ass on the now passed out rapists jacket and takes every pair of spare underwear from his pack
>a day later, having not heard back from their friend, his 2 accomplices return to the scene to find him curled up on the floor, still covered in shit and vomit with a bullethole in his head
>every snickers bar in the place is gone
>>30277995
It exist. Lots of military/security/airsoft shops sale it in Switzerland.
>>30277954
I meant.. It's a very low shoe. It's safer for your ankles and your feet to wear military boots like mines.
>>30278111
More socks. More underwear.
One pair of changing clothes.
Rifles and shoes cleaning kit.
Use a military surplus mess kit.
What's the weight of your ruck and the total weight of your equipment?
>>30278333
Well the equipment that I've packed most of it was aimed at trying to keep it below 20 lbs most of the actual equipment (excluding clothing and food) was based on a plan to keep it below 10lbs. I will also say that the clothes on the list are not the clothes I'm wearing these are all additional ones in the ruck.
>>30278152
5+1 mag plus 1 or 2 50 rounds boxes in your ruck.
>>30278207
-Residence permit C and living minimum 10 years in Switzerland.
-Being married to a swiss
-Must have/had (in that case you must prove that you want to work) a job.
-Must have education/formation
-No have mad crimes/offenses
-Prove that you have a good knowledge of the history and the culture of Switzerland.
-Prove that you are integrated and approve and defend the federal constitution
-Etc
A with all that it is not sure that you'll become swiss. These are only the condition that your request be considered. At the end in lots of towns, the people will vote to accept or not your citizenship.
Last month, a kosovar family failed on getting their citizenship. People though they weren't very well integrated because they wear tracksuits too often. And that's not a joke.
Last month
>>30278333
>Lots of military/security/airsoft shops sale it in Switzerland
Do any of them do business online...? I like the way that camo looks.
>>30278558
Also to come to live in Switzerland (before you even think of becoming swiss) you must have a residence permit and a working permit with a job. Good chance to have it.
>>30278558
Sounds reasonable. So if 30 rounds is roughly 1lbs I'd be looking at an added 3 lbs
>>30278574
https://www.armamat.ch/a/en/Home/18/
https://www.clawgear.ch/p/en/Mk.III-Combat-Shirt-CD-Swiss-Camo-46/17851/697/
https://www.airsoft.ch/a/en/Home/30/
http://www.survival-division.ch/product.php?id_product=149
For these that I know. There is many others local shops but I don't know if the sale online.
You can also find pants, combat pants, parka, vestes, plate-carrier, chest-ring, molle pouches, protective gear, hat, caps, etc in Swiss camo (Taz90) plus rails and RIS handguards for Sig550 (and 55Xs), mags, custom stocks, etc, etc, etc.
>>30278661
Personally I'll go on a 3+1 or 4+1. Because mags for the Sig550 are very expensive. If you have no budget limitation you can go for more but for it's useless more than 5+1/6+1 (If you want more put it in your ruck and reload when you're on safety to do it) because it will take all your space on your carrier/vest/whatever and you'll probably never shoot that number of ammo in one time. And if the situation is that shitty that you have to shoot a fucking huge amount you'll certainly die if you haven't buddies with you (buddies that will give you mags if you're empty).
>>30276881
i have that headlamp.
get a better one
>>30277778
Would you be willing to sell me a field jacket or full uniform?
>>30278558
Why is your country so based? Even a few weeks back you guys turned down basic income. Kuddos to you.
Also direct democracy is based as fuck.
>>30279040
My loadout already fits the 7+1 if needed and I have the mags thankfully so that's not to much of an issue. Honestly in a SHTF situation I would avoid firing unless absolutely needed and even then only use enough ammo to break contact or kill whatever it is.
>>30277895
10/10 You couldn't pay me to try to loot you.
It's sobering that you will probably outlast anyone in this thread.
>>30277895
3 sticks
Blue jeans
No knife, pot, lighter, rope or water
> batdude.shiggy
I live in nofunslia and posses a single shot cannon, how fucked am I?
I can still operate, right?
>>30281147
not fucked
thats easily enough for shtf, the other things are way more important, especially if you live in an arid part of your bootifool country
>>30276881
Wrong Schuma, wrong Rucksack
REKRUT ANON, DAHER!!
>>30278134
loving that 10/22td. Attaching it to my backpack is a pain though.
>>30282190
HIER!
Don't have them (long story). Must return soon in the army and I'll be reequipped by the LBA.
Btw the Karusa is a piece of crap as is the GTE so fuck it. And the Schuma is useless because of the difficulty to find true filters for it.
Can't wait that they give us the IMESS (pic related) to replace the actual stupid system. The new equipment should in place in 2017 for the infantry.
>>30276881
what's with the jihad rag you fucking muslim filth
ROAST ME 4CHAN YOU PETER PUFFIN DICK STUFFIN MEAT LOVING FAGGOTS......I WON'T CRY https://youtu.be/9sfJPIbFuxw
I don't have a bag layout pic, but I have my Webgear + guns pic.
Not shown is a pack with food for 3 days, extra socks, batteries, hygiene, and an awesome 3 level sleeping bag system I got while in the army. Actually, a lot of this stuff is from when I was in the Army.
So fellow swiss cousin how much for you to loose a set of camo for a french freedomlover?
>>30276881
>>30277319
>>30277895
What's with all the camo? I hope those are for bugging in and/or patrols around the house. If you move about outside, you would at least want to have the option to look like a somewhat normal civilian.
>>30282845
prolly too hot for anything not in the north
>>30276881
Only one mag. No spare ammo. No rain gear. No secondary weapon.
Are you even trying, Faggetti?
>>30282920
>i want to get involved in shootings in a survival situation
>>30282879
If shit seriously hit the fan I would probably try and avoid any built up civilian areas because our friendly basketball Americans will probably have built a mad max town there. I'd rather stick near or in and around the woods so camo is very useful.
>>30283337
Well imagine, for example, you're picked up or encircled by a bunch of military, police, what have you...in america you will be understood as a typical survivalist guy, no big danger. In europe, it might just get you shot as an insurgent. I would take something to camouflage myself for sure, but not as the only clothing I have.
>>30283566
Well I'm in america and personally I would rather stay hidden. And this is all implying that in a truly SHTF scenareo there would still be a functioning military and they wouldn't have all noped the fuck out to protect their family.
>>30283592
If *random european state* has a SHTF situation it's rather likely foreign actors will get involved in some way. Not so much in america I guess, but you could also have parts of government agencies that are still organized and active, say because their families are in safe areas/officers keep order with drastic measures/they can't get home anyway/...
I'd always prefer to at least have the option to throw away the guns and gear and appear like a normal civilian.
ditch the camo shit, especially if it's TAZ90 and get civilian looking clothing. i'll shoot everybody wearing camo if SHTF.
>>30276881
you can keep the mask and the clothing when you finish your service? i didn't know that.
Wich arme where you in?
>>30283690
I would say this is dependent on where you live but honestly if your in the the country you'll want camo, if your in a city, you'll want to get to the country ... and then use camo.
>>30278065
>thinking armor tales place over ammo
Yeah you're fucked.
>>30276881
can see the infantry insign
Where were you bro? Colombier?
>>30283830
Either that, Gossau or Chur
>>30283830
Francophone-bro?
Question, tu peux garder l'equipement après le service? J'ai mon service en Octobre et j'aimerai bien garder le max de trucs.
>>30283803
camo doesn't make you invisible. it makes you a prime target no matter where you are.
>>30283872
Do you mean after you finish the service?
-> http://www.lba.admin.ch/internet/lba/de/home/themen/pers0/entlassung.html
or just after basic training?
>>30283872
swiss army equipment is all low tier shit. buy good stuff.
>>30278240
hahahaha
>>30282669
Don't ever call me a muslim. Faggot.
>>30282765
Were you in the army? Is that your army equipment or did you buy it?
I like the vest.
>>30282877
It's my military clothes. I can't sale it.
>>30282879
Not planning on staying in cities if SHTF. I'll go to my chalet innawoods.
>>30283690
>especially if it's TAZ90
>>30283337
>>30283566
>>30283592
In fact, if SHTF I would in theory be mobilized in the army with my platoon and not with my buddies hiding in the mountains.
>>30283773
You keep:
-Sig550
-Harness
-Ruck
-Uniforms (with winter jacket)
-Helmet
-Leather gloves
-Boots
-1 first aid kit
-Cleaning kits
-Sleeping bag
-Mess kit
-etc
You have finish all your days (basics + 1 month training each years) you keep most of your stuff (except helmet I think) and the rifle is modified and limited to semi-auto.
>>30282977
If you're not expecting to shoot, sell your military gear and your rifle because you won't need them. Then, invest in a toolbox full of tools, a Katadyn waterfilter, a pharmacy full of medicine and bandages, start stockpiling food and combustibles (wood, charcoal, batteries...), and get a shotgun with plenty ammo for defense and hunting. Because this gear will be more useful for survival than your weekend-warrior gear.
SIG 550 mags are not cheap, but it's not like they cost a fucking fortune. Stop playing poorfag! An original 20-round mag costs CHF 65.00. Third party 30 rounds mags cost 55 bucks on Armamat.ch. And for fuck sakes buy some ammo! .223 Rem from Barnaul is like 15 bucks for a pack of 20. That's the price of a McDonalds medium menu! For less than 100 bucks you can have one extra mag and enough ammo for both your mags.
>>30283773
I forgot for the mask
Yes you keep it. But without filters so it's useless till you find some.
The mask in my pic isn't from the army. It's another that I bought.
>>30283773
>>30283830
Nop. I wasn't in Colombier.
>>30283864
Nop. I wasn't in Gossau or Chur.
>>30283872
Yes you keep all your personal equipment after the basic training (école de recrue/rekruten schule) but I believe you have to give some parts like the helmet when you have finish all your annual training months (cours de répet/WK).
Don't be so enthusiastic. Believe me, the basic equipment (harness, ruck, leather gloves) is shit. Only the Taz90 uniform, the helmet, the KS90 (boots) and the rifle are good.
>>30283908
I suppose yes in theory you would be mobilized but that is all depending on what causes the SHTF
>>30283926
a shotgun would probably be enough, you can use a rifle for hunting aswell
the other things you mentioned should be with you anyways and packing more magazines instead of just packing more ammo or beeing fine with 30 round only adds more weight. taking more than 1 or 2 magazines with you is useless
>>30278558
What must I wear and what etiquettes and behaviors should I act to be considered integrated?
>>30282879
I live surrounded by the woods. It's best for me to blend in there and stay hidden
>>30280686
>No knife, pot, lighter, rope or water
I have those, they're just not pictured. Sticks are great weapons when applied hand to hand combat but I tend to avoid that at all knowing how unpredictable and unreliable fighting is, along with my lack of better weapons
>>30283926
I don't eat McDonalds. I buy Whey. The same price as a 20rds sig mag kek.
But a 30rds is 92 bucks not 55 on Armamat.ch. I have found that (https://www.tacstore.ch/mle-sig-550-30-rounds-magazine-gp90-.223-5.56-nato) but I can't say if these mags are viable. I have no money for now. I have command a k31 with GP11 the other day. I've seen it and I felt in love. I have put all my fucking money on it like a fucking retard.
>>30284114
Ou of intrest if you live out in the country,, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, what would be a legitimate reason for you to bug out rather than bugging in. I have a BOB ready but I live out in the country and I'm really planning on trying to bug in, farm, and just live with a small group of people.
>>30283908
When you return to service/training, is the rifle reverted into select fire?
>>30284019
OP has 1 round. 1 single fucking round. That's just enough for committing suicide.
Why the heck would he pack more mags if he has no ammo? Of course he has to get ammo first. And I'm not telling him to buy 10 mags. I tell him to buy one extra mag, because mags get lost, get broken, etc.
>>30284073
Avoid tracksuits, and if you live in a village, always greet people. Also, if you have a permit C and you're married to a Swiss citizen, you can apply for naturalization after 5 years instead of the regular 10. Naturalization process is also much easier.
>>30284131
Walled communities are big targets for hostiles, especially since all the people living there are a bunch of city folks with zero knowledge of how to survive outdoors. Not to mention the security isn't adequately supplied to fend off confrontations. Plus the moment the water and electricity goes out is the moment the whole block goes out. I can't cook for shit without power since everything there is electric unless I have backup generators and what not. But chances are is me and my family relocating to a much secure area with grandparents and aunts and uncles since we're basically a family clan that used to own a district (Not anymore, cuz the US conquered PR).
>>30281147
Not fucked, but you should get yourself a good bolt action rifle in .223 or above.
Get a pistol too, if possible.
>>30282765
>USP Tactical.
Hell yeah.
If you need a good holster go over to HKparts.net.
I got their blade-tec owb for my USP-T .45 and it works pretty well.
>>30284127
Check out gebrauchtwaffen.ch. People often sell mags at good prices.
Switch to a cheaper whey for one month. With the money you save, you can buy one small pack of ammo. This one would be 25 bucks for 1kg: http://www.powerfood.ch/products/de/Sporternaehrung/Protein/MySupps-100-Whey-Protein-1000g-Beutel.html
>>30284142
The rifle stays with automatic select fire until have finish your entire army.
>>30284143
Any languages that I should be fluent with? I only know English and Spanish
>>30277277
öppe de Munitionsbefehl ned beachtet
>>30280610
>Boston
Good luck anon. Try to save some colonial landmarks for us if SHTF.
>>30284285
>öppe de Munitionsbefehl ned beachtet
Neiiii... It's the last round from an old box.
>>30284220
Thank you. I buy my whey in this store but I have never seen this one.
>>30276881
You are in the swiss. Even if nuclear war breaks out, you guys arent fucked.
Did some Swissfag here know where there is a KD Box for civilian or private range to make some rifle drill? Something funnier than the 300m ranges?
>>30284395
If I remember NBC training correctly, a 5 megaton bomb on Geneva would make Switzerland unhabitable on 60% of it's surface. Shoot one more on Zurich and you have about all Switzerland covered. Only people in the Puschlav would survive.
>>30282543
Have you ever worn the actual IMESS System it was so fucking heavy and they had to change a lot it sure as fuck will not be ready in 2017 but hey in 2022 there is at least MBAS
>>30284448
AA Tactical and DefTac Training organize rifle/carbine classes with drills. Dynamik Arms in Geneva gives private lessons where you can train whatever you want.
>>30284458
Ooow that's sad.. I don't want to wait until 2022.. So they will not even change the GTE or the ruck??
And what is MBAS?
>>30284594
MBAS basically new uniform new ruck + plate carrier some will get it some years sooner to test it maybe you are lucky
>>30284143
someone suggested something like 7 or 8 mags which is obviously useless
also OP said he is getting ammo soon
>>30278333
What would it cost me to get a set of TAZ-90? I understand the difficulty of getting it out of the country.
>>30276881
>Rifle with hard to find parts in the US
>Surplus gasmask
Bruh.
>>30277266
don't need that much acetaminophen and get aspirin instead of ibuprofen and again, fewer pills and lose the box.
also maybe add some multi vitamins if its a bug out kit
>>30276881
>Old SchuMa
>Newish Tenü C with velcro tags
>New T-Shirt
I am confused now.
>>30283908
I was in the Army, got out in 2012. My gear while in Afghanistan was issued through a different unit which rotated out of Kuwait before we came home, so no record of it existed at my unit. It all came home with me.
>>30284202
I have one of those holsters, it's in the picture above my boots. I agree, it's fucking awesome.
Does anybody have that video of that little fat ginger from England that joined the peshmerga.
>>30284647
LMAO I'm a romand. I'll never be that lucky unless I'm transferred in a Spunz unit. Fuck me.
What does the new uniform looks like? Do you have any pic of it?
>>30284740
Real military TAZ90 like in my pic or imitation like >>30278333 ?
For an original TAZ90 you have to find a swiss that was in the army and accept to "loose" and sale it for you.
For an imitiation like the Combat-Shirt you only have to command on the websites that I posted earlier. Normally they send it abroad.
>>30284787
This is my reserve mutz for when i loose one in the army. This Schuma isn't from the army I bought it on a surplus when I was on a journey.
![DSC_1102[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vcmI9bZ.jpg "DSC_1102[2].jpg")
>>30284903
Ah that was throwing me off.
>>30285142
About what?
And the fuck are you? I have never seen this function. It looks like security soldier. What are you anon?
>>30285542
It was just different era gear confusing me. And function is weapons mechanic.
>>30284903
It is not quite clear yet but some points are camo pattern without black, combat shirts, flame retardant and the ruck is a basically a swiss made mystery ranch three zip
>>30284356
Not a Bostoner
The hat was given to me as a joke because I pissed on Bostoners so much.
>>30284771
>Inplying he's in the US
Nigga is a mountain jew in Swiss land
>>30285618
Are they in the ALN system yet? Might order me some.
>>30285142
>>30285567
The best Function, what are you infantry weapons? Tanks? or Flab?
>I'm Flab unfortunately, I wanted to go to the tanks
>>30284807
Inlike your beard, m8
>>30282765
>Using UCP unironically
>>30282899
I haven't had any issues wearing the trousers around in humid weather during Virginian summers. (It gets up into the 80's generally and the humidity is god awful).
>>30285645
Normaly I would be worried on such a question but fuck it. Infantry.
Also tanks are in their last year they are being filtert out by `18. (All those innocent MG 51s that will be slaughterd when the day comes)
>>30285643
No idea probably not
>>30285671
well i live in germany, we have high humidity aswell and our temps go up to about 30-35C (~85-100F) and its unbearable to have anything but a shirt on
>>30285675
are you kidding me? they want to decommission our Leos?
>>30285788
Im sadly not kidding. One guy at our CLA got hit hard by that. Hes the only one they cant switch to something else and that 10 years from retirement.
Idiots in the general staff think simulators and preserving knowledge is enough and saves money and that we have the ability to just fart out tanks at our leissure when we need them.
Its the same fools that rather destroy weapons than sell them and at least make money off it.
>>30285788
Also the M109s. Leaving us tank and artyless.
>>30285821
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
I wanted to switch branches and become a warrant officer with the tankers
>>30285821
>>30285865
why haven't i read any of this from OG Panzer?
>>30285896
You can become "The last Tanker". Just like the guy from the fortartillery. Every single god damn time the army is killing itself more. Gsoa doesnt even need to make fucking initiatives anymore.
>>30284807
What a lucky sob,
Im glad that a /k/ommando has been so fortunate
>>30285905
Dont know. We only have 134 Leos WE left. Guess they want to inform the people actually working on them and not the pencil pushers. Itll be like Yeah Guys so for this year we wont have any tanks and arty anymore so the guys wanting to make this please try something else. The first discussion about abandoning the Leo was back in 11 i think, also Parmelin now is just following throug.
>>30285918
the problem is, i would have to become Hauptfeldweibel first and then go to the BUSA for 2 years. Also I'm this >>30285645 guy so not a tanker, and I doubt that they would choose me as "last tanker"
fucking assholes are ruining my dream
>>30285905
http://www.ogpanzer.ch/#!Bestandesaufnahme-Panzer-87-Leopard/c1aod/55047bb60cf2458597c287d8
>>30284453
maybe with 10km+ altitude airburst and/or the fallout
>>30286042
There they are only talking about the missing tanks. Poor basterds dont know whats coming to them.
>>30277675
>that canteen cup
Brand? Where to get?
>>30282765
USP9T, USP40T or USP45T?
>>30286042
there is in no way written that all tanks will be decommissioned, only that we don't have enough of them to equip all armored battalions at once
stop scearing me like that
>>30286017
https://www.parlament.ch/centers/eparl/curia/2011/20113752/Bericht%20BR%20D.pdf
And this is about the Arty.
>>30286074
>>30286052
Thats what I just wrote. Also the Leos have reached the end of their Nutzungsdauer so it is inevitabe.
>>30276881
hi comrade, wtf is this gasmask``?
>>30285618
Taz90 without black? Hu...
Some friends told me about a possible pixelated camo, MARPAT style but I didn't believe them. Am I right anon? Am I right to not believe these fools?
Very interesting btw
>>30285567
Noice! Very nice function!
>>30285618
>>30285567
Did you know when will the Stgw08 distributed to the entire army and not only in Isone?
>>30285675
>>30285821
That's a joke right? I don't believe that. The next tankers will be only on simulators or they will disappear?
>>30286147
>Did you know when will the Stgw08 distributed to the entire army and not only in Isone?
That I dont know. They are just "talking" about replacing the Stgw90 now. But its the same as with the tanks that it has reached its end at around 20-25. One says they want the 08 some want some B&T rifle and again another wants the other competitor to the 90 in 6.5 as main weapon. Guess hes still sour about just one guy deciding "Nah we need to go with NATO rounds bcuz its future right guyz :P " retardation instead we now could have a 6.5 cartridge proven for over 20 years which are now coming into massive favor world wide.
In short its a massiv unreadable real live 4chan clusterfuck of circlejerking.
As of the simulators they will stay in order to "keep the knowledge".
>>30280610
>those faggoty shorts
>>30286147
Well to be fair it is the department Heer Versuche you never fucking know what they gonna choose in the end but of right know no digi camo
>>30286512
Well at least there is some good news.
>>30286230
By 6.5 you mean 5.6 (GP90)? I hop they don't put us that shitty NATO standards. If we keep in this direction we'll be in the Alliance in less than 5 years. Plus our 5.6 is very performant, no need to change it.
B&T APC 556? Well if it's chambered in 5.6 GP90 why not. In fact it is a pretty good rifle even if I'm not a plastic fan.
And I didn't correctly understand the pdf. (romand fag). They will decommissioned our M109 but there will be a replacement or we'll simply be without artillery? Is that a "maybe" or it is jet decided?
Motherfuckers... What a bunch of retarded mongrels... Did the Gruppe Giardino or other pro/defense army group know about all that bullshit? Did the SVP know? I'm asking if these fuckers are butchering our army in the long term idea to integrate NATO. Fucking Parmelin... And I though this nigger would be better than Ueli The Inbreed.
Btw why isn't the army equipment splitted in two? For exemple new rifle/plate-carrier/ruck/IMESS for fighting units and Stgw90/GTE/karusa for non-fighting units.
>>30286678
>Btw why isn't the army equipment splitted in two?
Because everyone wants the new shit mate but mostly it works that way an example being the new WBG
>>30286678
what the fuck is this abortion
>>30286678
No back when they searched for a new rifle there were 2 main competitiors. The SIG 550 and a design from the Waffenfabrik Bern. The SIG uses a 5.56 derivative whilst the W+F used a 6.5 round. Even thoug the test showed quite clearly that the latter was the better round one faggot decided against it.
To the arty we get a 12 cm automatic mounted mortar.
Political meddling i dont know.
Cost/effectivity I guess.
Also I would have preferd the W+F rifle as well
>>30286678
GP90 IS 5.56 we only round up the number
you can interchange the two rounds (I heard though that GP90 will wear a 5.56-Barrel out faster)
As for artillery, I think they were looking into the swedish Archer and the french CAESAR
>>30286796
Well that is one ugly fuck of a rifle
btw i like how this suddenly became a "future swiss army" thread
Also I was told too that panzer crews will not have an assault rifle anymore but a pistol or an SMG (B&T MP9 ?).
And the Kadern in Isone said that the pist 75 will be replaced by a glock for sur. The point is I don't know if it's limited to KSK or it's for the entire army.
>>30286862
Yepp Glock is coming mate as always first KSK then the rest
>>30286854
Let me guess its the handguard. Well preference I guess.
>>30286862
Oh I swear to god if any of you fuckers modify your pistols to full fun I will personally find you and kick your asses around. Im not even kidding! I know we here have the knowledge thanks to the ark but Im going to slap the shit out of you if you do it!
>>30286899
The 90 just looks sleeker and more low drag
>>30284356
So you're a New Yorker?
>>30286899
imo its not so much the handguard but
>that stock
>that grip
holy fuck man
>>30286938
May I remind you of the previous Stgw 57. We dont need no low drag. This just looks beefy enough to give a fair beating without looking like a plastic spear.
>>30286952
With handguard I ment the grip handguard, sry. Also the stock is literally he same as the Stgw 90 prototype had. So it is to assume they would both have the same.
>>30286862
tankers also have the Stgw 90. during the early days of swiss tanks (Praga, G13, early Centurions) they used to have pistols but the army decided that pistols are only for officers and medics
>>30286818
>I heard though that GP90 will wear a 5.56-Barrel out faster
lol you dumbass
>>30277277
Get a bow and use that bullet to pressure flake a variety of points
>>30287076
>hotter round than the average 5.56
>not more wear
Even thoug its minimal near neglible hes not really wrong.
>>30286895
I know anon, I know
>>30286934
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>30287110
Glock pistols (especially the 17s/19s) can be modified for shooting full auto. Plans on how to do it are in the 4chan Ark / the do/k/ument.
>>30276881
>What's your equipment if SHTF
I'll start with the most important items and go from there, I have 5 posts ready to go. I could easily post 50,000 words on this topic and back everything up with links to provide citation but I'll just say this. Go and find out what is going on in Venezuela right now, this can happen here. I'm not saying it will but it can. I'm not eating grass soup if it does and my family won't die from the blood infection an abssed tooth causes.
Very TL;DR, so suit yourselves
>>30287134
We won't shoot with glock. We won't even touch them if we are not officers, MPs or KSK.
Btw are you from the MP?
>Water and making filthy stinking swill pleasant to drink.
I have +/- 750 gallons clean water stored, treated correctly with unscented household and stoered in the proper type of plastic containers USING THE CORRECT PLASTICS FOR STORAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I use chlorine bleach instead of other chemicals, I suggest learning how to do this considering how little bleach you need to treat and store water. The CDC website has great instructions. I have +60, 2 liter or larger bottles of 1 to 1 water / bleach to use to treat water that has been run through -0.02 micron filters so I can quietly treat all the water a family of 5 would want for over a
year on the down low. I have the filtering needed to treat over 200 gallons of water a day and 2 dozen canisters of bleach pool crystals, each treats over 5,000 gallons of water.
The people who can provide clean drinking water for cooking and sterile cleaning will be treated very well after SHTF. Think about that for a minute.
Staying CLEAN is one of the most important things when there are no doctors offices open. If the S really HTF people will start croaking from deep scratches when regular bathing stops plus women have hygiene needs that men don't and
happy women keep morale up.
>>30287093
>hotter round than the average 5.56
that's bullshit kiddo, GP90 is a standard NATO 5.56x45mm round
the myth originated in the army because army guys know fuck all about guns. here's the explanation. because the boxes are labelled 5.6, the dumb leftie idiots in our army thought: duuuuuuhhhhhhh it's bigger than .223/5.56, it must wear out the barrel.
in the beginning, GP90 used corrosive primers which would fuck up the barrel if you didn't clean it properly. that's the reason our idiots in the military clean their rifles the way they do even it hurts the rifle more than help it.
the swiss army consists of idiots, uneducated poorfags and wannabe soldiers. i know it, i was in this shit club for many years.
>>30287159
Sorry this is a swiss army thread now
>>30287191
No as I already said Im weapons mechanic.
>Next is food.
>MREs
We keep a few dozen cases of MRE's which we rotate every couple years. We give them to people as gag (no pun intended but I'll take the credit) gifts or have the guy who runs a MILSURP store sell them and let him keep any profit made over our costs. MREs are great if you know where they've been. If you purchase them new and store them right they are safe to eat for close to a decade. If they have sat in a conex container baking away in the sun for 7 months then on a shelf in a MILSURP store they get bad and worse case scenario they can damage your liver and kidneys. BUY THEM FRESH AND STORE THEM IN A COOL DARK PLACE.
>Food continues
>>30287206
Have you ever talked to Mr. Ingold? Also RUAG Ammotec has confirmed that production tolerance middle IS 5.6. And as already said it is NEARLY neglible, Also there were never any corrosive primers. Never since the GP11 has any swiss made army gun used corrosive primers.
>>30287210
yes, and we need more of those
Continued from >>30287262
>Dehydrated foods.
These are optimal as the best have +25 year shelf lives. Find the kind packaged under a nitrogen blanket. Mountain House and Wise are the two most well known but there are a dozen other manufacturers now and a few of them are making much higher quality meals. Mix that shit up anons, if you on;ly had the best, most favorite meal to eat everyday you would get completely sick of it quick. Variety keep the stir crazy away.
>LEARN 2 CACHE FUCKERS.
Seriously...learn how to cache correctly and DISCREETLY.... the life you save will be your own
>>30287206
So how would you clean the stgw90?
I have always clean it like I learned in the RS.
>>30287215
Sorry I didn't figured it was you.
>Shelter
Anyplace you keep warm, dry and free of violence is good shelter in the beginning of SHTF. If it gets so bad all the stores are staying empty and water, power and other public services in general are no more it gets different.
>Urban dwellers. Honestly you're pretty fucked if it's going to get bad and stay bad. If you don't have a well rehearse plan BEFORE the power goes out and the shelves at the grocery store, LGS and hardware stores go empty AND STAY EMPTY you will be at he mercy of what ever or who every ends up in control when the cops and firemen stop showing up for work and they will start staying home to protect their own pretty quick...or worse, they will become tyrants and form little Fiefdoms. This has proven out over and over in history. THe shit going on in Venezuela right now is like a horror movie..look into that shit and wake the fuck up people.So getting good shelter is easy to do once you have a safe place to make one. Think small and hidden but defensible. Very hungry people will dig through trash for food... starving people will eat almost anything and many will eat people when it comes down to it..
I could post 10,000 words about shelter but I think everyone understand the concept of "Greyman" here so that's optimal. A place you can rest and hide that isn't attractive to others. AGAIN, shelter is one of those things you haven't made before whit goes bad it's probably all over for you anyway. Not even trolling
>>30287198
BTW, speaking of women's hygiene.
When bartering becomes king, a box of tampons will get more from a woman than food or ammo.
>>30287280
Np.
Also fun fact you know how they told you not to clean the gas tube with the brass one, because it could damage the coating? In the bases they use a drilling machine and a steel brush. The main difference between the LBA and the conscripts is that the base relubes the tube, the conscripts only maybe.
>Weapons
Funny how a /k/ regular puts wea[pons forth on his list of importance, huh?
Well with out water you're dead in a week. With out food you're completely ineffective in less than two weeks for the things that will matter. depending on where you live and the current season shelter could be more important than anything but I'm assuming most of us have GOBAGS and can make camp on a moments notice.
>Talking about weapons here on /k/ is easy peasy.
Rifle, couple hand guns and a shotgun with a good choke.
2.000 rounds for the rifle, 1,000 for each handgun and 2,000 shells for the shotgun..mixed #6 or #7 bird shot and 000 or 00 aught buckshot. PLUS spring kits and the other parts you know can fail.
This is the minimum in my opinion and per person.
I'll let you argue yourselves to death about which guns and calibers are best...Me and mine have made sure we are very proficient with our choices and that is all that matters when the sun sets people.
>>30287317
Bitches will get dicks right in the pussy to plug their menstruation.
>>30287273
>Have you ever talked to Mr. Ingold?
oh you mean the guy which sells the .50 rounds he made himself, half of which don't ignite? yeah, ingold is a useless fucking asshole. funny he tries to sell his shit shop for more than a year and can't find a buyer because his reputation is that of an incompetent wannabe.
>Also RUAG Ammotec has confirmed that production tolerance middle IS 5.6
oh please
>Also there were never any corrosive primers.
of course they were, not for long, about two years, but they were corrosive. i was in the first grenbat (later tergren) who received the stgw90 back in the days in the early '90s.
>>30287280
>So how would you clean the stgw90?
not too much and forget the brass brush. also don't scrub the gas cylinder until the coating wears off and starts to rust.
>Toiletries and medicines
These make life worth living after a full belly and a safe nights sleep.The single best piece of advise I ever got about these things was was this..... Take notes on exactly what you use over a three month period and get two years of that in a very dark bad very cool place where you worthless brother in law won't find it and you know how hard it is to hide things from that fuckhole.
Think about what women need to keep a smile on their faces, they go down to the knees aiming to please a man a lot faster if they're happy... ((yea this is my soggy knees as it gets but what do you think life will be life if S really HTS femanons?)) . Get as much of those things stocked up because they will make amazing trade material later on. Whiskey, tobacco and tampons are a fantastic way to bribe cops, soldiers and the new warlord that comes to power people and bribery will be the word of the day.
>Medicines.
>I'm not a licensed practicing MD so i keep this short even though it sofa king important. There is hundreds of gigs of solid safe info on what we can buy over the counter for antibiotics and antivirals BUT YOU MUST LEARN CORRECT DOSAGES AND WHAT TO USE WHEN. I'm not going to play DR here so you had damn well learn some things because this can make you someone people will defend. When you can treat someones little rug rats who have a serious infection about top go septic that become very very attached to you...understand?
AND CONDOMS...LOTS AND LOTS OF CONDOMS. Infants will draw the boogiemen from miles around with the constant crying. Think about how clean and tasty a baby will be to those degenerate enough to eat people. Plus drippy dick gets really bad when you don't have any penicillin...kills you horrible actually.
>>30287391
>>30287326
You are a conscript alright.
>>30277266
>>30277319
Decent med kit? You have jack shit anon unless you plan on only scraping your knees.
Get at least:
>4 tourniquets (1 for each of your limbs or your comrades)
>NCD needle for dat der tension pneumothorax
>chest seals
>IV kits (and train how to give one)
>antibiotics
>combat gauze
>pressure dressings (I think I see some already)
Whoever said to ditch the acetaminophen for ibuprofen/aspirin is either retarded or trolling. You need tylenol and aspirin
>>30287422
>Use the brush
>dont use the brush
Swiss army in a nutshell
>>30287454
Indeed. Just let the professionals do their job, have fun, come back next year.
>>30287422
of course, everybody starts off as a conscript you dumbass.
>>30287476
And you apperantly didnt evolve your mindset above that of a common soldier.
>>30287210
>Sorry this is a swiss army thread now
Why can't we have both anon?
>>30287159
>>30287198
>>30287262
>>30287278
>>30287304
>>30287330
>>30287399
This is way TL;DR but if it doesn;t get you thinking you;re brain dead in my opinion. Every responsible adult male should have a minimum of three months of everything I posted or you will end up at the mercy of the Gov or strangers someday. If it;s not an Earthquake, hurricane or tornado it will be the next Great Depression or some other crisis caused by the uber greedy cocksuckers that always lead us into starvation. History always repeats itself.
>>30287317
>When bartering becomes king
I met the guy fromZombieSquad who posted that fuckhuge thread about his experience during Katrina and he really did do pretty good in the worst of it and helped a lot of people.
Talked with him all afternoon once and he never stopped telling us how important having little gifts for the Natty Gaudsmen and local PD became.
I keep three cases of half pints of whiskey as my top "poggie bait" among other things.
Barter will absolutely become king if the power goes out for a long time.
Like I said, I'm not eating grass soup if I can help it
>>30278033
>>30278058
>>30278074
Learn how to take a picture holy shit
Socks, underwear, as others have stated will make your life much better. And add in antifungal powder. That shit is the best on your feet & balls
>>30287493
i was what today is grenaufkl. but ok, tell me about your interesting job.
>>30283880
This is something we need to clear up so us /k/ommandos can survive to outpopulate the libfags if shit does htf.
I'll say you're wrong, there's a reason hunters and military all wear camo, it does serve a purpose.
>>30287391
Well when I was in Isone I have run a lot because the stgw wasn't clean enough. So somehow now... I like to clean it properly.
But I have always be carful with the gas cylinder and it has never rust even after a week sleeping on the Tiglio or near fucking Veddegio. And never used the brass brush. That's how my sergeants taught me.
>>30287473
You are beruf/zm in Isone?
>>30287391
Hahaha! Ingold is an idiot and he sells his stuff too expensive. Sadly, he has the closest rifle shooting range for me. Lagardère would be the 2nd closest.
https://sofrep.com/40978/swiss-sof-pt-3-neutral-assaulters/
https://sofrep.com/40709/swiss-sof-pt-2-train-fight/
https://sofrep.com/40640/swiss-sof-pt-1-not-neutral-pedigree/
Can someone read these articles? I'd like to see what they said about our SF.
>all these tards with military-style equipment
have fun getting shot and looted. you guys will just be killed and used to arm everyone else.
How's my kit
>>30288205
Boots
>>30288205
Glove's
>>30287274
we need DACH threads
>>30287771
But he does has the cheapest .303 in switzerland
