Poorfags in the poorfag thread voiced their desires to update the poorfag weapons catalog and so here we are. The old picture is attached below.
My name is greens, I will be your compiler and.... Artist? I guess?
Anyway, the old picture is here. The model for what we are doing is as follows:
1. Suggest a gun that is $500 or less. Give a summary of edgy it's good, bad, fuckabble, whatever.
2. Find a minimum of three ubiquitous stores, like dick's or Cabela's, or Cabela's dicks, that stock it.
3. Find three types of cheap ammo that it works with, post price per round and/or price per 20 rounds.
4. Find the price of magazines. If it's a gun like the ak that has 20 billion different magazine manufactures, give three of the best magazine types that are cheap.
5. Write out any legal complications that may be present, such as 18 year olds being unable to purchase handguns in many states.
6. Find out the addons and other things the gun Comes with. This includes warranty, or things like the glock remodel program
7. If there are any serious defects to the gun, like how it might explode, write that. If it's a pre owned gun like many mosins write where to look for quality, or where to look for issues.
8. Find out where and how it's made and assembled if you're feeling extra fancy.
9. Find out if it's still being made or if you'll have to buy preowned.
10. Write out the different calibers that are available.
11. Post dank memes and Chinese cartoons for me to shoop on the bottom.
I will of course do a lot of this myself and also compile it all.
>>30268017
Why is "buy" in quote marks? Are people not really buying them?
>>30268017
i wish i could get 20 nugs for that price...id have one in every room
>two in the bathrooms, im a scared pooper
>>30268043
Apparently not.
>>30268079
>I'm a scared pooper
One of my biggest real fears is a shooting or robbery happening while I'm on the pot.
>no CC yet, only a cheap 4-inch Chinese folder with blocky, unsharpened serrations halfway down
>mind constantly playing how a defensive situation would work out in any one public area
>all I ever seem to imagine is either a) me getting dropped with one or two shots after the attacker/s immediately see/s me, or b) getting shot point-blank after I get exactly one panicky surface wound on the guy
>multiply that by the thought of being literally caught with my pants are down
I need a fucking gun already.
Too Much Work: The Thread
>>30268277
This is why you're all alone.
>>30268017
Starting work on the mosin. Gimme some ammo types you'd recommend for it.
would y'all consider a black pipe shotgun as a last resort home defense "gun"? I'm not super rich, and I can't buy post 1899 firearms so I don't really have a lot of choice in terms of what I can purchase, so I might just try making something. As long as it's within the ATF guidelines for barrel and overall length I should be good
Interested to buy a mosin, where DO I look for quality?
>>30268623
Mosin-
Gander mountain price - $200
Cabela's price often unlisted but somewhere between 169 and 200
Impact 130
Bulkammo.com offers Russian surplus corrosive (spam) at 68 cents a round (255 rounds for 154) http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-7-62x54r-ammo-762x54r182grfmjsurpmatch-225
Bulk ammo also offers Tula non corrosive at 48 cents a round (500 for 241) http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-7-62x54r-ammo-762x54r148grfmjtulablack-500
there are other options but I'm not gonna do that right now.
Lucky gunner offers tula at 500 rounds for 242 dollooos, that's 48ish cents a round. http://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/7.62x54r-ammo?dir=asc&order=cost_per_round
NcStar Mosin Nagant Stripper Clips, 10-Pack
$14.46
>>30268812
dear jesus no buy a crossbow and take up martial arts
>>30268909
>dear jesus no buy a crossbow and take up martial arts
reee I'll just stick with my s&w revolver then, no need to go full fedora. were any mosins built before 1899?
>>30268887
rifling and a smooth bolt are the most common concerns. Buy a boresight and check out what's inside.
>>30268922
Not any you'd want to buy, and neither crossbows nor martial arts are fedorish
>>30268909
>>30268937
Thanks, really love russian firearms and I desperately want a mosin nagant that works properly
>>30268977
I think most will work properly; just don't expect exceptional accuracy.
>>30268961
I would disagree. Martial arts don't do shit against a guy with a gun, I've done martial arts for as long as I can remember. A crossbow might work on deer but indoors it'd be super clunky and basically just a single shot. I'll just focus on stocking 38s&w ammo I guess
>>30268999
>Martial arts don't do shit against a guy with a gun, I've done martial arts for as long as I can remember.
sounds like you've never had to try. And tell me, who would fare better- a man unarmed, or a man unarmed who is also a black belt.
>>30269012
The man with a gun.
>>30269012
neither of those are relevant
riddle me this tho, who would do better: anyone with a gun or a woman who has no gun but a black belt? even if we were in hand to hand range chances are he could just overpower me
>>30268937
Why is a smooth bolt a concern? Surely it shouldn't affect the gun that much. Sorry for being so ignorant.
ruger 10/22 260 at basspro. cabelas offers them at $259.99 - $399.99.
>>30269021
2+2 does not equal six. Similarly, your smarmy quips are not answers to my question.
>>30269042
they're just a complete pain in the ass to use, having to bang on the bolt whenever you want to chamber a new round.
>>30269034
>neither of those are relevant
>lol bro u bet I could beat Tyson 1 on 1 tight training doesn't mean shit
>>30269034
>anyone with a gun
depends on the person and the range. You realize they teach disarming tactics correct?
>even if we were in hand to hand range chances are he could just overpower me
exactly, "he", the martial artist.
>>30268017
Mossberg 500, if you can't kill someone with a mossberg 500 then you have no hands.
>>30269077
got prices?
>>30269074
>depends on the person and the range. You realize they teach disarming tactics correct?
yeah disarming tactics for a knife or other similar weapon. you can't disarm someone with a gun if they are actively aware of you and are aiming at you. Stop watching action movies dude, james bond stuff doesn't work in the real world
>exactly, "he", the martial artist.
except in my case the martial artist is a "she", unless you mean the person with a gun is also a black belt in which case guess what? it doesn't matter because only one of us has a gun and that person wins 99.99% of the time
>>30269119
>yeah disarming tactics for a knife or other similar weapon
Yes, a similar weapon, like a gun.
>you can't disarm someone with a gun if they are actively aware of you and are aiming at you.
the secret service and various police forces have disproven you hundreds of times.
Are you seriously so retarded that you cannot master the intellectual power to grab the other guy's wrist and hold it up? That's seriously all you have to fucking do. It's not that hard to do. Even if you eat a bullet in the process, statistically you will survive if you manage to commandeer the weapon.
Additionally, if the criminal is not so motivated they may panic and run or drop the weapon.
>except in my case the martial artist is a "she" tits or it didn't happen
>>30269119
>it doesn't matter because only one of us has a gun and that person wins 99.99% of the time
not only is this untrue, but there's still that .01%. out of a country with 300000000 people, you've got pretty good chances.
>>30268812
Why not a Martini–Henry?
Pre-1899 and not exactly hard to maintain or find ammo for...
>>30269157
I haven't seen any of those near me, I'll keep my eyes open
>>30269152
you're coming on too strong m8, trolls are supposed to be subtle
>>30268812
Get a nice cap and ball repro. Something like Uberti. No background check required as they're not considered firearms by the ATF. Check your local laws.
>>30269195
Better yet, a Smith carbine could be something you would like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_carbine
Uses rubber casings, while sometimes hard to extract, are re-usable hundreds of times.
>>30269195
>you're coming on too strong m8, trolls are supposed to be subtle
>I...Im not autistic, you're the troll! it's not my fault I can't make a fist!
>>30269202
to be clear I already have a revolver. I'm just worried about ammo cost, availability, and power. It's hard to find, which is a pain in the ass. It's pricey, especially if I order online. Finally 38s&w is fairly low power.
in comparison, 12ga is plentiful, relatively affordable, and very versatile. Same thing with other common rounds. The problem is finding a round that seems to strike a balance between availability, power, and me actually being able to own a weapon which fires it.
>>30269248
Or your could actually get fit and take up martial arts you fucking queer
>>30268017
1. Mossberg 702 plinkster. ~100$ at wally world light as a feather, mag fed, semi-auto .22 Con is no real aftermarket, can get some marlin stocks to fit it with coaxing. is good choice in ban states where you can't have a pistol grip because reasons.
2. Walmart, Dick's, Gander mountain, etc
3. everything i've fed it including Federal and Golden bullets
4.15-20$ for a new 10 round mag
5. holds more than 5 bullets probably makes it illegal in NYC.
6.Comes with a 10 rnd mag that locks the bolt back with a red bit of plastic that also flags the chamber.
7. it doesn't really have an aftermarket
8. to lazy for that
9. still being made, can be obtained for sub 100$ if you're lucky
10. .22lr
11. PEWPEWPEW
>>30269286
>wally world
wut
>>30269300
Burger name for Walmart.
>>30269248
>I'm just worried about ammo cost, availability, and power
Black powder revolvers are easy as fuck to get ammo for and I guarantee a .44 caliber Navy is plenty more powerful than a .38SW. A one pound jug of powder, five pounds of lead, a t-shirt and a tin of caps will last you ages unless you're shooting it regularly. As for 12ga, good luck finding a legal one. Since it uses "packaged" ammo, unless it's legitimately from before 1899 then it's always a firearm unlike muzzle loader reproductions.
>>30269263
Oh fuck of back to /asp/.
>>30269248
Problem is, buckshot is expensive as hell. That is the main reason I almost never shoot mine.
>>30269337
>Oh fuck of back to /asp/.
>knowing martial arts now harms you
WOW.
>>30269387
Alright you've got one chance to impress me. What martial art should I go learn?
>>30269400
since you insist that only weeaboos know martial arts, I'd like to expose you to a variety of styles used by the American military to train in hand to hand combat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatives#Modern_Army_Combatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defendu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu
Jujitsu is particularly appealing because it is, "a method of close combat for defeating an armed and armored opponent in which one uses no weapon or only a short weapon."
For this reason it is unsurprising why many army hand to hand combat tactics are based off of jujutsu.
>>30269449
Hello. I've been compiling a list of cheap firearms that I do not have much experience with myself. Can anybody vouch for the quality of the following guns?
savage edge
Savage Axis
Stevens 200
Marlin XL7
Marlin 795
Maverick 88
Mossberg 600
P-64
CZ-82
S&W 3rd Gens
S&W J-frames
Hawk 982
New England Firearms "Handi Rifles"
Howa 1500 Sniper Rifle Package
Remington 700 Sniper Rifle Package
Winchester SXP
ruger american
Savage Hog Hunter
Marlin XT-22
Savage Mk II F
>>30268017
Okay so things are going pretty well. Savage axis is cleared. If you guys know any shit drop it here.
>>30268017
you guys got suggestions for scopes?
>>30270079
Nikon makes decent inexpensive glass. Also Bushnell and Burris.
>>30269671
Narrow that down to your 5 most likely and we'll give you feedback
>>30270217
No, that's just a general list of suggested guns for our list. I won't be the one buying.
>>30269671
>Hawk 982
>New England Firearms "Handi Rifles"
>Howa 1500 Sniper Rifle Package
>Remington 700 Sniper Rifle Package
>Winchester SXP
>ruger american
>>30270217
could try these I guess
>>30270523
Howa for sure
>>30270577
Why's that
>>30270602
Relatively cheap and the best in its price range, I have a howa gameking in 308 and it shoots amazing all factory parts. About to do some major league upgrades on it
>>30270611
Isn't howa Japanese?
>>30268812
>and I can't buy post 1899 firearms
why not
>>30268017
"Buy" the Crate
...so they want me to steal it or something?
>>30273221
NYS counts all mental health hospitilizations as involuntary regardless of whether or not the patient admitted themself of their own accord
>>30268024
Stop shilling this shitty image. There is nothing good about it.
>>30273256
yeah. worst part is I moved to NC but it counts federally so I'm kind of fucked until four more years pass or I get a lawyer.
I might look into getting an 80% lower and just incrementally buy the other parts when I can afford them. Not super poorfag but certainly doable if I budget right
>>30273247
>>30273284
so this explains why you are unable to grab someone else's arm.
I understand so much now. If you had just said you were mentally deficient I would have forgiven you.
>>30268043
You buy a crate worth of Nugs. Not the actual crate.
Going to Springfield for vacation. Gonna go to Bass Pro and listen to a seminar on timeshares or something and I was told we all get $150 for listening. I'll probably have some more money with me, so what can I buy at 18 while out of state for $200~? I already have a nugget. Maybe a Hi Point carbine?
>>30273767
um
I guess the hi point carbine is the best bet
>>30268909
>>30268017
What's the cheapest place to buy Mosins during the Christmas specials?
I'd like to get one as my first gun this year and I liked the price of $98 they were a couple years ago.
Are they still that price during Christmas or have they gone up?
>>30273811
>Are they still that price during Christmas
doubt it.
> have they gone up?
yes. If you're clever you'll probably find cheap ones at gun shows.
>>30269081
They're like $280-$350 or so.
>>30273942
i mean prices with a link bro
>>30273255
we're rewriting it you autistic fucktard.
>>30273919
Are gun shows worth going to?
I don't feel like paying $10 just for admission.
>>30274098
If you know what' you're looking for, yes. You can find all sorts of neat shit there. And plus, it can be fun just to look. I've seen some guys that found great quality tula mosins for like $60.
no gaurentees of course but you may as well give it a try.
>>30274175
I guess.
All I ever hear on /k/ about them is beef jerky and overpriced fudd guns.
>>30274239
beef jerky is great you queer
ideally i would want a k31..but what are some dirt cheap bolt actions that are semi decent? anyone know?
>>30275418
Ruger american/savage axis.
Being a Commiefornian, I'm apprehensive as fuck to buy a firearm. I want to, but the process seems so daunting. S...Shall not be infringed
>>30276239
>go to gun shop
>take easy af firearm safety test
>buy gun
>wait 10 days
that's literally it.
>>30273439
Your pretty contradictory if on one post you're saying you need to devote yourself to a thousand years of ninjutsu if you want to survive, but in another it's "lolz just lift his arm". Seems to me that nullifies that need for martial arts.
>>30268043
Buy them by the crate
By the crate
Buy the crate
They put the quotes so you know it's a pun.
>>30276501
>>30276501
>saying you need to devote yourself to a thousand years of ninjutsu
see, the thing is, I'd just LOVE it if you showed me where I said that, because it seems in my old age it's slipped me by.
>>30268286
Ball hard. You should know what i mean
>>30276873
It's implied fambot. Unless you think you're going to walk into a mcdojo and they're going to teach you "disarming tactics" and hand you a black belt on day one. That shit takes a lot of time and money, and for the end result to be "lol just lift his arm" it seems to be entirely fucking useless.
Not saying martial arts is pointless by the way, just that you're a terrible advocate of it and are coming off as a a stereotypical autist trying to argue your point.
>>30268909
My lgs still has surplus 54r for .27cpr. Feels good. I should buy another crate or two.
>Cheap guns
>Rifles
-Savage Axis $300
-C&R SKS $250-$350(may need new parts)
>Shotguns
-Mossberg maverick 88 $200
-Mossberg 500 $300
-NEF Pardner pump $200
-Bunch of other pumps $175-$225
>Pistols
-Hi point 9mm $150
-Check budsgunshop you dumb cucks
FYI you can find discounted stuff on armslist if you aren't an autistic cuck
>>30268024
>black powder
Injuns aren't raiding my homestead
>>30269157
Not the op, but just curious where are you finding these martini-henry's? Figure it might be fun for shits and giggles to get one if they are not to expensive.
>>30277862
they will be soon
>>30268812
You'd probably be better off just beat the fuck out of someone with bat than trying to use some awkward ass zip gun. Machete's worked well enough for the Rwandans, maybe give that a go.
I just made my first firearm purchase today. I bought a ruger 10/22 exactly like the picture, scope and all. Added a 25 rnd mag and a box of 50 ArmsCor .22lr. My only gripe is that it's not woodstock and it has this hideous camo all over it, but hey, for everything i got $303 isn't bad at all from what i can tell.
Now, did I fuck up somewhere, /k/?
>>30278894
Hell no. You did great, so long as the 25-rounder says RUGER and not BUTLER CREEK on it. A good sling and a cleaning kit and you'll be set for life.
>>30278698
I live near Denton in Texas, and the square's pawn shop/antique places had plenty of beat up models like the Martini-Henry, but some looked possibly salvageable and went for $80 or so.
They made nearly a million of them, so chances are that you might have at least one near you that is in at least working order.
The Smith Carbine, while much rarer, are almost cooler imo. Black powder breech-loading rifle that used reusable rubber cartridges. Pretty interesting, and apparently not terribly expensive either.
>>30278919
yeah, the mag is ruger, haven't got to shoot it yet and I need to get around to buying some boresnakes. Not sure why i'd need a sling, I don't really hunt and it seems like one of those things i could easily make with duct tape in a SHTF.
>>30269248
What gun is that?
>>30279727
the most accurate way I've found of calling it is "smith and wesson double action 3rd model". S&W Model 2 looks like it has a different trigger, and the Model 3 has a different trigger guard and was only single action iirc. It's one of those weird guns that it's really finicky to narrow down what exactly it is.
I got it for 250 locally, pretty good price considering it's in very good condition for a 115+ year old gun.
>>30279109
So you can put it across your chest and have both hands free and not worry about dropping it or having somebody grab it off you. It's for every day, not just SHTF.
Does anyone know where to get relatively cheap but pretty good8mm mauser? also any stripper clips?
>>30277088
>It's implied fambot
oh no it fucking isn't you dumb bitch.
>just that you're a terrible advocate of it and are coming off as a a stereotypical autist trying to argue your point.
and you're a terrible advocate of your own intelligence and come off as a retarded 8 year old on her period.
You've spent the entire fucking thread bitching about how it's impossible to disarm a man, but then pull a fucking 180 when it's convenient and claim that martial arts are pointless because they're too easy.
Jesus christ you claim to want to defend yourself but then reject the most common sense option available. Just grab the fucking wrist. Then take classes to learn more advanced concepts, like grabbing his wrist then ripping his tendon or whatever.
>>30280535
Cry more homo, you're not even responding to the same person. This is my 3rd response to your cry baby "muh master black belt" shit (my first being the one calling you contradictory). How about instead of letting everything invade your autistic safe space and hurt your feelings, try coming up with valid responses instead of "no ur dumb!" and "8 yr old period blood!"
I said you present your argument terribly, and instead of trying to think of a response to "too costly and time consuming to end up with 'just grab their wrist'" instead you resort to ad hominem tactics. Granted, I have too know, but that's because I know I'm arguing with a fitful child at this point.
>>30268017
Makarov
Current noguns here, I'd like to get a really cheap gun to start out with.
Do you generally need any kind of license just to own a gun in the US and store it in your house?
I'm in Texas if that helps.
>>30268812
Antman, everyone.
>>30280878
Shut up already nobody wants to hear your memes.
>>30268017
Poor no more after this initiative kicks in:
>>>/pol/77358986
>>>/pol/77358986
>>>/pol/77358986
>>30284557
...what?
>>30284717
This post:
>>>/pol/77361537
>>30284908
That post doesn't tell me jack shit
>>30284557
>and this I respect, if you answer is in the negative, I shall leave presently
What autist wrote this? Who the fuck thinks that people talk this way?
>>30284557
>Mosin
>7.62x39
>Mosin
>x39
FUCKING TRIGGEREDDDDDDDDD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING /POL/ FAGS
>>30284908
a) The faggot in your pic is not even holding chalk.
2. /k/ommandos are already known for ripping off buy back programs whenever they can.
Your proposition entails ~ 10k for as little as a mosin so even if the government were willing to pay 10k for a 200$ rifle they would still fall prey to anyone who wants to machiene a bit and make 10k for every piece of shit that can fire bullets.
>>30285848
And it's a shit idea anyway.
>>30268024
Does anybody have source on the asian looking girl on the bottom?
>>30288479
>girl
>>30283439
>L-leave me alone! A bloo bloo bloo bloo
>>30281974
In some states you do, but in TX as long as you have the money and are legally able you can walk in, purchase, and walk out within 15 minutes.
>>30281974
No Lol you're in a free state.
>>30288528
don't care about that m8
>>30289013
Jesus r9k was right. Women are subhumans.
starting work on the sheet. Don't have to much into right now but we're working on it.
>>30276394
>be canadian
>take easy af firearm safety test
>wait six months
>buy gun
>go home
>as long as its not a scary gun
anyone here own any of the cheapo marlin 22s?
>>30289324
Mugi-chan
What's a good AR-15 kit build that I could pick up at a local shop for $500 or less. Looking for mid to long range. Decent stopping power, quick trigger, for target shooting.
>>30285328
I'd buy it just for the hell of it.
>>30268024
nogunz poorfag skeered by Chump and the No Rifle Assheads here. Is the Hi-Point carbine a decent gun for an ultrapoor looking to get armed quick or are there better options?
had to get my fucking car worked on recently so my budget is ~500 bucks at the max end
I like lever actions and revolvers because I'm a wildwestaboo Texan retard but they're expensive as fuck. Exmil friend of mine said that if I like revolvers I should grab a .357 magnum with a 4" barrel as a starting wheelgun but those all seem to be priced in the high end or just above my poorfag budget: doable if I eat ramen for a month I guess. This shit has me spooked though. I want to have something in case I need to lose it on a fishing trip.
>>30293411
>leverguns
>expensive
do some searching on your local backpage, armslist, and gun shops/pawn shops, iv'e seen marlin 336's, winchester 94's and a whole lot of leverguns for less than $500
>>30293427
I'll take a look. Any thoughts on the HPC? Wishing to keep my mind open to options, and I know everyone says that thing is ugly, but honestly I kind of like it. It looks like some ridiculous shit from a B-grade 80s sci fi movie and who doesn't want that
>>30293522
the hi point carbine is like a fat chick, always puts out, although you can make her just thick by buying a few 20 round mags
(http://redballsports.net/products.html)
and it really preforms well for the price, not to mention lifetime warranty no questions asked from factory (you could literally throw the thing into mount doom and they would replace it)
for your needs, it would work.
>>30293522
It's hi point. One of the best American manufacturers. The only reason people don't take them seriously is because the guns are ugly. That's literally it. They work fucking fantastic for the price tag. Don't expect anything fancy though. It's a cheap gun so it's made... well, cheap.
if you seriously need something for home defense like now there's nothing against the guns beside the ugliness.
>>30293556
and look, i found you a winchester 94 in texas for 400 bucks
http://www.armslist.com/posts/5436990/dallas-texas-rifles-for-sale--winchester-model-1894-30-30-
>>30293581
Texas is huge man, Dallas is 300 miles away.
I'm in the Houston area.
But I'll look around
>>30293616
oh, forgot about the fuckhueg size of texas
>>30293616
I've driven from Houston to Dallas a couple times to visit family, I think it's only about a 4-5 hour drive. You could be there and back in a day.
>>30293810
yeah and that adds 30 bucks to the price of the gun plus turns a 2 hour shopping trip into an all-day affair to take off work for
if I see something that's just absolutely godly impossible to pass up maybe.
>>30270523
I love my ruger American rifle it is a blast to shoot and is really easy to disassemble and clean. Easily my favorite bolt action gun I have shot.
These guys have old, decent, shitty, new, semi-new guns for good prices. Fucking go ham
https://www.classicfirearms.com/
>>30294157
But I hate ffl mail order
>>30289413
Kek, im a dude. But I'm sure you're not going to let that stop you from blaming women for all your problems.
>>30295464
It's been two days and that's the best you could come up with?
And why are you shilling for some dumb bitch then? Are you that desperate?
>>30293270
Stopping powers a myth, and what is your definition of a "quick trigger"?
>>30295479
>12 hours = 2 days now
Im shitposting for the sake of shitposting now honestly. It's not often you get a bonafide assburgers on the other side of your argument.
>>30274067
then why are you posting it if you aren't finished?
Checkmate autists
>>30295562
10/10 memes
>>30295907
>demanding an end goal without a start line
Checkmate normie
>>30295990
>Releasing an unfinished product
No defense for this.
>>30296016
Where's the release, fuckwit?
>>30296016
>inform the group as a whole of the info that needs updating
Best defense is a good offense. You're not very good at coordinating with others are you?
>>30268024
>>30268017
I'm a complete novice looking to get into the gun game
I'm looking for revolvers with .38 ammo. preferably something with a nice barrel (not that baby looking shit) for around $500 or less.
any help would be appreciated. thank you
>>30297546
Look for used model 10's.
>>30297546
I would STRONGLY advise against purchasing a revolver as your first firearm
>>30298003
Fuck you Im going to get model 649 as my first gun
>>30298019
Your mistake.
>>30298003
what the hell's wrong with a revolver?
inb4 400 rounds of 9mm for when you get mugged by the Nigerian army
>>30298003
Not him, but why?
>>30293411
Picked up the HP Carbine in 40 silly & willy and fucking love it. A bit difficult to take apart for cleaning but fuck it got it and a shitty 15 round mag for $340, shoots great, and is heavy enough to use as a blunt weapon.
