Alright, /k/. We get at least one "How can we make Germany win WW 2" thread per week.
Now let's do something different:
how can we make Japan win WW 2.
Here are the conditions:
it's 1939, the US oil embargo is already in effect.Their only condition on lifting it is complete withdrawl from China, which is unacceptable. At this point war is pretty much inevitable. You have two years to prepare.
Here are the conditions that qualify "winning":
destroy the US Pacific Fleet
Hold your conquests by 1945
>>30257737
Get proper intel do the exact same plan but actually get the carriers this time. Raugh at the imperialist dogs. Simple really
>>30257737
assasinate the military leadership and send the hardliners to manchuko 2bh
>>30257737
Goes balls deep on Hawaii and hold it like Okinawa.
>Get the Army and Navy to stop fucking with each other on a constant basis
>Set up a broader intelligence network
>No Banzai charges against Western Allies, its fucking pointless and wastes men
>Revamp logistics and supply distribution for the IJA
>Standardize Type 99 rifle and LMG as soon as possible
>Replace Nambu sidearm with something that doesn't suck
>Pump out more of the Type 100 so that at least some special units can have more of them (special naval landing forces and the like)
>Rotate pilots as much as possible, keep attrition rate down
>Put more into aircraft development
>Put more into tank development (The Japs had some decent designs for medium tanks but never got around to making them
>Consolidate gains and don't spread forces too thin
>Try to make high command shy away form overly grandiose plans that are likely to compromise integrity of Naval, Land, and Air forces
>See if Germany can send some cool shit over if possible (not likely)
>Don't treat occupied people like absolute shit
Trying to come up with more but that's the gist of what I would do. The Japanese military had some strong points (Naval and Air arms) but was woefully behind in others (small arms and armor tech, logistics). I can't see the Japanese being able to improve much in the realm of advancing their military technologically, but I believe that changes in doctrine could produce radically different results in the pacific theatre. Towards the end, when banzai charges became rarer and the Japanese actually tried coordinated defenses there was a rise in American casualties (see Iwo Jima, Okinawa). I remember reading that at the onset of the war, Japanese officers were told to immediately counter-attack or push in on any naval landings or incursions onto Japanese occupied territory. Problem with this is that the forces involved in such attacks usually were not prepared for the amount of firepower the US and the allies could bring to bear, and the attacks would usually end in slaughter.
The following:
Discontinue all battleship programs, convert the existing ones into those weird aviation battleships.
Badger Germany for assitance on two subjects:
military advisors on infantry tactics so to negate the whole banzai mentality
Techical assistance - try to aquire medium tank designs (mainly Pz IV, the best German tank) and submarine technology.
Rotate ace pilots to train rookies.
Dig up WW 1 experience on ASW (IRL American submarines completely crippled the Japanese supplies).
Stop wasting time on baloon bombs, heavy tanks and other nonsense.
Begin making synthetic petrolium in China.
On the actual operations:
try to isolate Australia with submarines, maybe (this would be really tough to do) launch assasination campaign against the American brass to keep their forces in chaos for a longer time.
Try to befriend the USSR, because if it declares war, it's all over on the mainland.
>>30257887
>PZ IV, the best German tank
>>30257904
Yes, in terms of cost-effectivenes.
Also
>1939
>Tiger tank
>>30257926
Did you say, "the best German tank in 1939"? No, you didn't. Panzer IVs were a joke once anti-tank weaponry advanced mid-war.
>>30257904
its cool but the Koenigstiger was hot garbage
>>30257934
Whatever, my cost-effectiveness point still stands. Germany never made enough Tigers and Panthers to match the Allies. They would've probably been better off upgrading the existing designs instead of adopting new, really expensive ones.
>>30257971
As far as reliability. A fully operational Tiger II would take out any contemporary tank one on one, however.
>>30257992
>A fully operational Tiger II would take out any contemporary tank one on one, however.
>>30258013
Go on.
don't hand a magnetic anti-ship mine to the british on a silver plate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eht0sGmiyBM
send a ninja to assassinate Roosevelt and replace him with a puppet president
>>30257737
Your winning conditions are pretty bullshit.
This thread is really 'how do we not make Japan lose the war by 1945'.
They weren't going to win once they declared war on the US. Christ, America never even went into total war, they were still swanning about eating ice cream and having Jazz parties whilst they were balls deep in the Empire and the Reich.
>>30257737
The battle of shanghai wiped out their best troops, and they were facing flooding and scorched earth and so can't effectively move the IJA. The chinese have scored a few victories so japan was pretty much in a stalemate, and most battles were somewhat meaningless and not really decisive. Mind you in 1939 they were half the tonnage of the US navy and only reached parity a year later.
If anything the only real thing to do is entrench in china and go after dutch and british colonies earlier, while making inroads to nationalist/anti-colonial groups and proceed to assume control later. maybe even blockade india or provide support for nationalists there.
attacking america and the philippines was pretty fucking useless thing to do imo, especially when their entire army was already getting grinded down in china. really the only good reason i could think they attacked was because of embargoes and the IJN getting bored and not really getting glory.
>>30258019
>Thunder neckbeard used to make good vids
Don't remind me this
>>30258057
It's actually fucking stupid how powerful industrial United States is. Geographically fucking enormous and capitalist to the extreme, no nation to ever exist will be able to outproduce us.
You don't you at best gain yourself 2 years as the us shifts to a wartime footing and fucking drowns you in Commencement Bay and essex classes, while the army that has just ground the best fighting force on the planet into the dust shows up in your backyard nursing a mean hangover and armor that you have absolutly no answer for, by the way that's a nice prosperity sphere you have there, don't mind if I do.
>>30258082
>no nation will ever be able to outproduce us
well the US is still fourth steel production and china produces maybe 10x the amount.
not to mention that they have a bigger population not yet fully industrialized and get pretty good african and russian resources.
>>30258112
If US went full wartime economy and brought the factories back, no chink sweatshops can compare. Having a culture and government that isn't thrice-fucked to stagnancy and unpatriotism also helps. And let's not forget that we don't need China, China needs US for their propped-up, peaking economy.
>>30258106
Pretty much this - Japan could never compete with the US in attritional warfare. But there is still a possibility if the US suffers a string of defeats (like Japs win Midway which could've been done), Australia being isolated, Hawaii threatened by an invasion, the Japs could negotiate a cease-fire from a position of strengh. Winning a couple of battles they could manage, especally if they didn't waste their effort of certain useless projects (like battleships which by that point became glorified shore bombardment platforms).
>>30258133
lad you are completely ignorant of world economics.
no country can go into full war-time economy in this age, every country is too integrated into the international economic order that the US pretty much relies on and guarantees. the moment they have to face china is the moment that we can assume every fucking economy has gotten turbofucked to the point that trade no-longer exists and therefore reverts to isolated economies. we can pretty much assume that total great depression everywhere would have happened by then and every country has 20-30% unemployment or more.
don't be naive, we don't live in the 1930s anymore.
>>30257873
Mostly what this guy said and i am going to add:
>Design a proper LMG ala mg34 so they can use it as the basis of their squad tactics like the Germans.
>Buy and copy some new anti tanks gun, at least the pak38 if they have luck pak40.
>>30257887
>>30257904
>>30257926
>>30257934
>>30257971
What if they just aquired and produced PZ III and Stugs? It was cheaper, faster, enough to fight Stuarts and a good starting point to start your own tank program.
>>30258155
>we can pretty much assume that total great depression everywhere would have happened by then and every country has 20-30% unemployment or more.
This would fuck the US over a lot harder than most other countries, 30% unemployment would mean 50 million people starving to death because hell if Americans are going to pay for other people to eat.
>>30257887
Japan had no ASW experience from ww1 to draw on
>>30257987
but they did to the point of killing the suspension on the 3 and 4.
>>30258258
Look at the British experience. Books on the subject were published. And the Germans were on the recieving end of it, so they might give a few pointers.
Guise I got a question. What if japan allied with Russia?
>get stronk T-34
>beter tatical help(if Russia was willing to offer it)
>help with taking china and the rest of asia
>more oil
I am no WW2 expert but I think Japan being allies with Russia would help
>>30257737
We have "how can we make Japan win WW2" threads every other week cmon man
Considering the thumping the Japanese gave the russians during the Russo-japanese war and the conflicts the two counties had in manchuria,Ihe Russians would much rather blow the snot out of the japs.
Deploy ninjas
>>30260047
They hated each other then, and still do to this day. I don't think they ever formally signed a peace treaty yet.
Being a major European power and getting butt fucked by some chink eyes japs would make one hold a grudge.
>>30262105
They just signed and official peace treaty in like 2002.
>>30258238
>design a proper LMG
Nothing wrong with the Type 96 and the Type 99. Both were very good LMGs.
>>30260047
None of these apart from the oil would help much since the war was mainly an air and sea show.
>>30257770
>Get butt fucked by the Essex Class carriers as soon as America finishes building them.
>>30257887
They'd be better off with PzIIIs (and variants) and Panzerfausts/shreks
>>30263836
But you see anon it's not belt fed and it doesn't make the logistics officers cry. And also unlike the MG34 it's simple, not a fucking clockmaker gun.
>>30264077
>belt fed
>better than mags
>what is the bren gun
>>30264927
Go away Lindybeige
>>30257737
by making Germany win WWII
1. Have Nagumo launch a follow up attack and destroy the Pearl Harbour facilities preventing easy refloatation/servicing of the sunk ships.
2a. Don't commit fleet assets to Coral Sea or the Aleutians, go all in on Midway. This gives you proper carrier superiority in the most decisive engagement.
2b. Get lucky and see the American carriers first while you still are outside their striking range.
Maaaybe these together might might have delayed the war past 1945, but both your premises are kind of flawed as "win conditions" if we assume the same level of technological development. US made good on Pearl losses by 1942, plus B-29s and the Manhattan project are online by 1945 and you're pretty much doomed even if you have held your Pacific possessions if the US decides to fight on.
>>30260047
You know that Japan and Russia are technially still in a war?
