>/pol/ reporting on in, I was sent here to get /k/'s analysis of this Kevlar helmet that saved a SWAT's life in this mornings hostage rescue in orlando, florida.
>gunman was shooting an AR15, either chambered in .223 or 5.56, idk.
>does /k/ still think kevlar helmets are super lame?
>>30248900
who the fuck ever said head protection was lame? also we have another thread about this. Sage.
>>30248969
second
> Officer suffers eye injury.
Right here, you are looking at the difference between a desk job and a funeral.
>>30248900
I bet you a dollar that was a hollow point pistol round that failed to penetrate. It looks like the mounting screw got blown out.
.223 and 5.56 are basically the same.
>>30248900
Pistol caliber or maybe .223 at a glancing angle. These helmets are not for stopping rifle calibers head on
>>30249160
doesn't 5.56 fmj penetrate level 3a helmets though?
>>30249314
Yes. But so does .223.
>>30249218
^^^This. A thousand times this. That helmet would've been shredded by any rifle round if hit squarely. It was most likely a pistol round that the helmet deflected, or maybe a small caliber rifle fired at a fortuitously shallow angle.
10 bucks the cop was accidentally shot by another cop.
>>30249314
only if shot out a 20" barrel and M855 with steel penetrator (out to 100yds, iirc)
Dude prolly used .223 pussyfoot loads
>>30249466
nigga thats for level III not IIIA.
IIIA is for pistol and fragmentation its defeated by stuff going over ~1600 fps like 7.62 Tok
>>30249090
>desk job
Say that to my fucking face.
>30249430
Not gonna take that bet.
>>30249486
Im talking about fuckin helmets you dumbshit.
aka the WHOLE FUCKING REASON NATO decided the 55gr was not good enough and adopted M855. Go read up on the testing data - Only difference is they used steel pot helmets, not the new ACH or MICH. Regardless, tests around the afgan/iraq era showed that m855 would still penetrate the new helmets, but I dont recall the distances.
>>30249430
That's a safe bet.
>>30249527
I think YOU should go read up on that test. The requirement was that the bullet should penetrate a Russian helmet at 600 METERS. Any 223 will penetrate your average IIIA helmet at realistic distances.
like I said in the past thread, helmets are good for you. They greatly improve your chances.
>>30249144
Soooo.... friendly fire from another cop?
>>30252148
the shooter had AR and a pistol.
>>30249411
still doesn't take away that the helmet prevented a much more serious injury.
>>30248900
In general IIIA won't save you from rifle caliber but the lucky stuff happens
>>30248900
There are accounts of guys in Vietnam having 7.62x39 richochee off of there skulls, this is pretty stupid.
>helmet does its job
>shock and amazement
>>30248900
i remember a funny little riddle about helmets
In world war one, headshot deaths and injuries were at an all-time high, and the Brits decided to finally beef up their helmets, but they were quite perplexed at the fact that head injuries actually INCREASED after the helmets. Why is that?
i'll post the answer in a bit.
>>30248900
Helmets might be penetrated, doesn't mean you shouldn't wear anything on your head at all.
why is the gay club called pulse?
>>30252452
That's a real tough riddle, pal.
>>30252452
because they didn't die as easily with the helmets, so the people that would otherwise get killed got injured instead.
this is not rocket science.
>>30252449
Did you really expect more from /pol/? These are the kind of people who rant and rave about nukes anytime a middle eastern armory goes up
>>30252479
correct frendo
>>30252468
Because homosexuality.
>>30252481
No, I really don't. We become /pol/ every time some stupid shit like this happens.
It's sad how every possible detail of this story is going to be twisted and construed into propaganda.
They have no idea who shot this assholes helmet, I'll go shoot my Kpot with a .223 right now to prove this shit.
>>30248969
every gear queer thread ever has said that when the question of why they have tens of thousands of dollars of larping gear but no helmets.
>helmets don't do anything in a gun fight
>it should be the last piece of equipment you ever bother with if you even get one
>they're a waste of money
>real operators just wear baseball caps anyway
etc
>>30248900
Thought these helmets had titanium inserts as well
>>30248900
>either chambered in .223 or 5.56, idk.
Same thing, for most purposes.
>>30253142
No.
It's a standard level IIIA aramind laminate ACH.
Funny thing, in fights not everything happens according to sterile white-room spherical-cow-in-vacuum autistic theorycrafting.
Worth mentioning, THat's a MICH 2002 helmet and it is rated for a 9mm, which is one of the firearms the perp had on his person and was using. Its a grand assumption that it stopped a full powered rifle round and more than likely was a pistol shot that was deflected off the front.
>>30252452
Fatal inhuries became regular injuries everyone here knows this
>>30253206
or the rifle round ricocheted off something or punched through something first, decreasing its energy enough for the helmet to stop it.
>>30252452
I know this has been answered already, but this is like complaining that deaths due to cancer or heart attacks are increasing while people are living longer and those are both things that increase in likelihood with age.
A.K.A. Retardedly obvious. I'd rather have a booboo on my neck than a hole through my brain.
>>30253076
Horse shit, fuck out of here
>>30253373
I've heard that many times in GQ threads too. Most posts that I've read seem to be of the opinion they're only useful as a way to mount NV/cans to your head.
I don't really see the purpose in getting anything other than a plate/mag carrier & helmet myself since I'd rather just put that cash into more ammo, especially now prices will be through the roof for a while.
A helmet helps, thats all. The reason many claim no use and "LEET OPERATORS" don't use them is a) predominatly their for falling objects/fragmentations, which don't come up in these situations and while YES they can stop a round, the likelihood of getting shot in the head is lower (since most trained *military* shooters are taught to shoot center mass) than say the chest. Hence why that attitude towards helmets is hit or miss (pardon the pun). That said, they can, and as we see here, do at times provide life-saving protection. The reality is you could look at 1000 wound's and never see a headwound that could have been stopped or reduced by a helmet, and yet 1 lucky time it does and it works. Flukes happen and this may, assuming it wasn't a pistol round (which a MICH 2002 is designed for), was likely one of them.
>>30253431
>>30253373
Helmets are better then nothing and they protect your noggin in a collision or fall.
Yes, 'operators' fall off roofs and get plow into Texas Barriers.
>>30253560
Texas Barrier? You mean Jersey Barrier.
>>30253723
Nah those are a thing. It's like a Jersey barrier but larger.
>>30253723
>Not knowing what a texas barrier is
>not realizing there are such thing as:
Texas
Alaska
Colorado
Hesco
barriers
bro do you even fortify postions
>>30249090
>>30249499
Where the fuck was his eyepro?
>>30248900
>hurr our police are so militarized
Wonder if the liberals and faggots will still be crying about it
>>30257858
The liberal faggots are torn right now.
>Baww police brutality, military state baww fuck the poleeps
>Baww my faggot club is getting shot at call the cops
Did SWAT have rhino mounts?
You know the piece of metal on the front to attach night devices.
Theres an example where a marine in the first push through marjah was shot in the head and the rhino mount fucked the bullet up before it could penetrate and do serious damage.
Same could apply here.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1000615
>>30252452
>>30252479
Helmets in WW1 weren't designed to protect against bullets anyway. The majority of deaths and head injuries were from artillery, even before they entrenched. As an example, in just one minute a battery of four French 75s (your typical field gun in the early war) could saturate an area about the size of six football pitches with shrapnel, and at effective ranges in excess of four miles. The helmets could deflect the ball projectiles that were fired by those kind of guns, and were particularly useful once everybody had dug in and everything was coming from above. The Brodie helmet (the British model) was paticularly good because it had a very wide brim which effectively shielded the torso from above, and could be made in a single pressing (stahlhelms took 9 or so).
>>30257933
How come the brim doesn't sit lower and the sides and back drape over the temple and cerebellum?
seems dumb
>>30258463
>why doesnt the brim sit lower?
So goggles/other eyepro can fit
>and the sides and back drape over the temple and cerebellum?
To reduce peripheral view obsruction
>>30252516
>10 hours later
Still waiting
>>30253076
>Listening to anyone in the gear queer thread
Nigga, gear queer threads are basically a containment general.
Seriously, bring up skeletors lawn and see what happens.
>>30248900
The bullet probably passed through a homosexual first.
>>30249314
>>30249382
.223 and 5.56 are literally the same round.
>>30253373
all this tells us is how little you browse here
>>30248900
Might have been a handgun round to the helmet, I doubt that a Level IIIA helmet would have stopped a .223/5.56
>>30248900
That's a tiny helmet. Also, who was the faggot wearing it?
Helmets are good but cost you a lot of energy to carry that weight on your head and lose some situational awareness. Obviously you want it if you're about to get shot at. But you might not want to walk 10 miles with it on and then shoot at people.
>>30248900
This happened to someone my DS knew in Afghanistan. It penetrated the guy's helmet but had no energy left and just zipped around between the helmet and the padding. Another guy wasn't as lucky and got shot in the neck, my DS got lit up below the waist. Some people are lucky, some people aren't.
I still think helmets are super lame for the average moron on /k/, but I don't think anyone would deny their usefulness in combat.
>>30258463
Try fighting with a helmet. Sufficiently low backs will kick the helmet forward over your eyes if you go prone.
>>30258876
I still had this problem with the ACH. The PASGT must have been a nightmare.
>Round hits helmet at shallow angle, either gets stopped or severely slowed down
>what would have ripped part of the top of his head off turns into "light injury"
It's not exceptionally rare that a helmet will mitigate an injury from a rifle round, even if it can't stop it entirely. It's easily possible that the cop got hit by a rifle round.
>>30258794
In LRS we referred to them as, "air items." In the airborne community, air items are stowed away in your ruck when you land. 15' lowering line, h-harness, etc.
We stowed our pots in the ruck when we landed.
>>30248900
Has anyone ever tried epoxying ceramic tiles to a helmet?
I'm thinking of doing that with an AR500 plate.
>>30258749
The MIL spec for 5.56mm x 45mm NATO designates a slightly thicker case thickness than the .223 with all other measurements the same.
>>30250442
Not him, but are you saying the military is using M855 exclusively?
>>30258989
M855 vs M193
>>30252468
I don't know, I guess homosexuals like things that are pulsating.
There's one (the only one) in my city with the same name.
https://www.facebook com/lakeland.pulse/
>>30252148
Very possible.
>>30253354
Quite possibly bouncing off of whatever was attached to the mounting screw, or maybe even the mounting screw itself.
>>30258775
This is what I was thinking, i have a IIIA helmet and im glad to hear this
>>30252468
404 pulse not found
>captcha is 187
[spoiler]on a mutha fukken cop[/spoiler]
>>30258924
Having a properly fitting helmet makes a world of difference. I have mine cinched down tight as a mother fucker for exactly this reason
>>30259300
Thanks for letting us know you've never spent a day in the field.
Where can I buy one?
>>30253076
>>30253431
because GQ threads come from the mentality that you are going to avoid situations like taking down a murderous terrorist inside a tactical nightmare of a building who has dozens of hostages like the plague.
If anything Orlando would be seen as an opportunity to move out of the area with maximum protection and mobility with little to no resistance.
mobility trumps protection 99% of the time for small teams/ lone wolves looking to avoid a fight while still being able to participate and end one.
and hardly anybody on /gq/ has the money to throw down $1500-$15,000 on a crye airframe and all the fixins' + NODs.
>>30252452
Was it because soldiers started sticking their heads up out of the trenches thinking the helmets would protect them?
>>30258749
Nope. They're not interchangeable unless the rifle fires 5.56x45 but not the other way around. One has a thicker casing and provides higher pressure than the other. Guess which one that is?
