If germany had focus on the Mark III Panzer tank and Mark II tanks for their fighting forces and made heavy tanks such as the tiger in limited numbers and designated them as a support role tank rather than a break though.
Like the allies would they have won the war? Because that speech from band of brothers got me thinking..
A hundred trucks for a tiger, that could of easily helped in moving supplies and manpower around.
What are other things that could of been done better during WW2?
>>30248630
The Germans could have used Die Gloch and their Kraut Space Magic.
>>30248630
Someone would of brought this up later but i'll do it now, Large projects like rebuilding cities into the perfect german image and the camps shouldn't of been done.
The camps were a waste of resources, any war is basically a resource war and if your wasting resources on keeping a population in a single area were they could be helping the war effort by either fighting for you or helping out in industry is just a waste.
They were just working their assets to death, It's better to have workers that can stand than not.
Overall, its just something you do after you've won the war not during.
>>30248630
Well hitler could have shot himself in 1939 and it would have been a lot better
>>30248630
You can't make a hundred trucks for a tiger. That's just not how it works.
>>30248716
>>30248630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DnRn9hyFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DnRn9hyFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DnRn9hyFU
May as well post this.
>>30248630
No, the Germans didn't have the resources to fight the Soviet Union, British Empire and USA all at once, and taking the mass production meme to the extreme wouldn't have changed this.
>>30248684
Germany was running out of food at the time so the death camps were a logical solution.
>>30248769
Germany was running out of everything at that point, honestly
>>30248769
I never understood why they invaded Russia, if they had stayed with the euro and tried to talk there may of been the chance of keeping what they had.
>>30248684
>The camps were a waste of resources
Camps were a net positive in strictly material terms. They provided cheap labor that didn't have to be fed, and was part of the process that allowed the state to confiscate private property for the war effort.
If only did the glorious German Reich produce more King Tigers and Hortens, they would win. Also, Allies fought unfair.
>>30248790
>I never understood why they invaded Russia
They loathed the bolsheviks and thought they could make it work
>okay guys THIS time'll be different!
>>30248630
>Would they have won the war?
No.
>hundred trucks for a tiger
No.
>focus on Mark III Panzer
Why? It was crap, why do you think they retired it?
>what could have been done better
They could have had a functioning military intelligence branch, not started fights they couldn't win, not wasted money and time on pointless Wunderwaffen and most importantly they could have just stopped before invading Poland.
They'd got back the majority of their pre-war land, they had all of Czechoslovakia and all the industry contained within for fucks sake.
Hindsight and all that though I suppose.
>>30248769
>meanwhile they were blowing thirty tons of potatoes per militarily useless V2 missiles.
>>30248853
Well, Sure. If they had taken out Britain and maybe had some time to begin massing troops and rebuild.
And the US well, Fuck that and stomp japan.
>>30248851
kekkity kek
>>30248869
>If they had taken out Britain
>if
Its a big if, really its a big if, more of a 'couldn't'.
>>30248866
/thread
this is 100% the only answer
>>30248879
>more of a 'couldn't'.
This
The germans didn't have experience with amphibious assaults as well as no provisions to move tanks across the channel. Also, captured british ports wouldn't have been able to bring in enough equipment to support their advance so it would have ended up as a miserable and hilarious failure.
>>30248879
Well. They had their forces on the beaches.
So, You've got this massive air battle? Why not just send your troops in..
British air command would be ordering every plane to attack both troops and german planes.
It's just basic swarm tactics and even if you lose a bit of ground in the air, you've got foot hold.
Ton's of tanks, Ton's of soilders and an island surrounded by subs and ships.
>>30248630
The squabble over petty shit like 'which tank would have made a difference' doesnt really matter.
For germany to win a world war, they would have needed to amass fucktons of raw resources. They should of went straight to Africa first, got everything in order there, went straight up to norway and fortified the whole line up, and then tried to slaughter the russian bear, savoring yurop for last with false pretenses and propaganda.
Instead, Hitler decided he wanted to fuck shit up and go covert, living out his days in South America and having his legacy live on in Antarctica.
>>30248630
Germany lacked the resources to wage total war and lacked the means to attain the resources necessary for waging total war from other nations. Questions like which vehicle production should have been prioritized are irrelevant given that they didn't have enough material to work with to begin with. There was never a point during WWII that Germany had even a hope of achieving their end goals.
>>30248904
>Ton's of tanks, Ton's of soilders and an island surrounded by subs and ships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion#Chances_of_success
They couldn't manage 2 of those
>>30248904
I can't quite figure out what you're saying, but I'm getting the feeling that you think the Germans had a hope in hell of invading successfully?
No, just no. Its been done to death, Sea Lion was never going to happen and if it did it was going to fail, even if they German's had had air superiority they'd have failed.
D-day took an army of people behind the scenes planning and organising for months and months and months, total naval supremacy )not superiority, supremacy), total air supremacy (same again), a huge numerical advantage, hundreds if not thousands of specialised vehicles, massive amounts of training, years of experience, massive air landings, perfect weather and even then it was a bit of a gamble.
There was absolutely no chance that the Germans could have pulled it off.
Unless you meant the Germans couldn't have done it, in which case, cool.
>>30248985
What are you talking about I was able to invade britain with 20 paratrooper divisions and won handily in HOI4
>>30248790
Big head after the crushing WWI victory.
Oil
Grain
Sharing a border with bolsheviks gets a man itchy.
Most men were in the Wehrmacht at the time any way, might as well use them.
Thought Japan would be in some way useful and draw enough divisions to ensure early victory.
Honestly Barbarossa wasn't a bad idea, its just as usual, the shit allies aspect fucked the Germans a little much.
>>30248790
There was no chance of keeping what they had by consent. It's not like Germany's weaknesses weren't glaringly obvious, and asking for a peace right after you fail to mount an invasion would only make it worse. Germany knew that the only chance to force a favorable peace was to defeat the USSR, leaving Britain completely alone in Europe for the foreseeable future.
>>30249280
>I never understood why they invaded Russia
>Its because they couldn't negotiate a peace after invading them
....say again?
>>30249255
>shit allies aspect fucked the Germans a little much.
>it wasn't muh glorious fatherland's fault! it was them dirty japs!
>It was totally their fault that we stretched out are supply lines before getting socked with winter!
>>30249350
All the fuck ups of Germany don't cover the problem of not having 11 divisions in a rear about 3000 miles away.
That is unless you consider starting the war in 1939 a military and not a political fuck up.
None of the Axis were ready for a proper war, but Germany being OP for its size and position was a major factor, don't be a dick.
Do V2 missiles even do anything?
>>30248866
Panzer III with the long 50mm gun could penetrate T-34 reliabily
That said, tanks do not win wars. They are a good representation of that country's production power but sure.
>>30249600
They paved the way for ballistic missile and space technology down the road...but tactically no they were a waste of fucking everything
>>30248650
They used the Die Gloch but i think it's not enough to won the war.
Also take a look into easternfront German Bunkers that allies took years to fill them with concrete.
>>30248630
Have you never been to a school before? Germany was absolutely fucked from the beginning. No matter what bullshit they pulled, no matter how many places they conquered, the only thing they could do is get to the upper deck of a sinking ship. No. They couldn't have ever won.
>>30249308
>I have reading comprehension issues.
Fail to mount an invasion of Britain.
>>30249731
Fighting a draw with an unbalanced SU after taking Moscow and having the manpower and foresight to invest in a larger and more well-managed Luftwaffe wasn't impossible and rested well in chance. The dream maps and new world order wasn't possible. A negotiated peace which included a NAZI ruled central Europe was.
>>30248684
After France you can see how they might have thought the war was all over but for the shouting
>>30248904
They never had a chance of clearing the channel, and even if they'd taken the opportunity that the Brits being distracted would have provided, they could get at best 5 divisions of airborne troops into the ground with little armored support. Then they get stabbed to death by pissed off englishmen with halberds.
>>30249618
>this tank could do 'x'
Oh ok, cool, thanks for that information. Not particularly relevant given that the Panzer III would still have been a bad tank to keep on developing.
>>30249819
>Soviet Union
>surrendering
The Nazis were fanatics, they were fine until they came up against another bunch of fanatics.
