https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVwhXAkyH7w
Let's try to keep this one from getting deleted by mods, all political discussion about relations in the middle east belong on /pol/. This thread is for developments in the war and military tactics & technology in use. That being said, some updates:
-US accidentally bombed Kurdish forces north of Manbij, killing close to 20
-ISIS launched an assault on a military base south of Dumayr
-SAA is supposedly only ~5km from the Tabqa airport.
-ISIS regained a few villages back from the SDF/YPG but Manbij remains surrounded and Arima remains in SDF hands
-ISF has captured some villages from ISIS to the southwest of Makhmur
>>30246279
What's that?
>>30246372
IRAM launch
>AlCiada getting tactical
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdD24JeaPWo
>>30246279
The T-72 B's looks super new
Link to old thread:
>>30229749
>>30246372
Iran-made 12.7mm gatling gun
>>30246279
>US accidentally bombed Kurdish forces north of Manbij, killing close to 20
When it comes to Blue on Blue, the US really lead the way globally.
>>30246646
Damn, noone even bothered to give it a bump over the night?
>>30246384
whats up with the guy at 6:15? did he fall out of BMP?
>>30246328
The previous thread wasn't deleted. It just fell off page 10 before it hit the bump limit.
>>30246328
29 years Mujahedeen of Omar Mateen - penetrated into the lair gomora, for the Glory of God has punished more than 100 of sinners, 53 of them gone to the AD, more than 50 using the medicine atheists is still alive, but not for long! In general, the United States set a one-time record drank. The UPDATE: with 50 dead, #Orlando nightclub shooting is the deadliest mass shooting in US history.
>>30246999
Precision striking at its best.
>>30248539
When ever there is a terrorist attack in the west i am reminded of a quote by bomber Harris "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." I guess its applicable to both sides in the war.
>>30248878
Exciting times. If only we could have a proper conventional war with 2 equally equiped armies.
>>30246372
Arab engineering
>>30246328
Who is winning please?
>Iftar by RUAF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvO6O0Q7G7g
>>30249322
There is one of you in every thread
Just reposting what I shared with the /pol/ retards.
Purple are ISIS main supply routes, red are routes recently cut, and orange are emergency supply routes, or routes used only often.
Red circles are key points nedded to be controlled by the government and/or Assad to completely destroy ISIS economically.
How many of them do you think it would take for ISIS to crumble (as a state)?
And do you think my assumption is correct?
>>30250260
Forgot an orange (purple?) line going from MArkadah/Busayrah towards Al'Baaj in Iraq.
>>30250302
Do you have autism?
>>30250434
Possibly.
>>30246279
few short updates.
Russia is deploying troops along the Turkish-Armenian border. This is a move that is meant to both shake up Turkey and reassure Armenia that Russia is upholding its defense pact with it.
As always, the Fallujah offensive is stuck in the outskirts and reports of fighting in the outskirts of the Al Shuhadda district are the only advances ISF have made into the city itself. Reports that ISF captured the Fallujah train station have yet to be verified. AMN news reports that they are 2km away from the city center (which is roughly the distance to the Al Shuhadda district), but no other news has been reported thus far. It appears that they plan to capture the outlying areas around the city before making their final (according to the media:final final) push into the city. Wouldn't surprise me if they attempted to take Hasai and Halabasa to the south west and west of the city before pushing deeper into the city.
SAA desert hawks and the 555th regiment have made more advances towards Raqqa and are in the position where they could start to advance and possibly take the Tabqa airbase.
>>30250661
How many kilometers from Tabqa airbase were they now? 10km? Less?
ISIS has been trying to hit and delay them, but I guess they have a critically low amount of manpower in the area (possible North Aleppo fighters incoming) so what they're doing is being futile.
>>30250775
i'd say about six to eight kilometers away. Though Im using livemapua and I had to estimate the distance. It might be that livemapua hasn't updated the frontlines yet and they're even closer to the airfield.
In other news, Kurds have advanced closer to Manjib as reports of fighting between ISIL and the Kurds near the grain silo to the south west of the city. If true, this puts the Kurds at least one and a half kilometers from the city center.
>>30250916
most up to date map on Fallujah i've found so far.
![2917485-7472408189-14031[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jXT9PyX.jpg "2917485-7472408189-14031[2].jpg")
>>30246328
>-US accidentally bombed Kurdish forces north of Manbij, killing close to 20
>>30250916
Befware that the "hohol map" has some inconsistencies every now and then.
>>30251208
I try cross referencing it with ISW from time to time, but the problem with that is that ISW takes a while to publish. So even though its accurate, if I want the info asap im shit out of luck.
livemapua is the opposite of ISW, so while they update more frequently, its info isn't always as well polished. But I think the 555th regiment and the desert hawks are closer than I imagine.
>>30250916
update on the Manjib offensive. It's been confirmed that kurds and ISIL are fighting for control of the grain silos.
>>30251273
Wait, the SAA is directly south of Mansoura, they've captured Rasafeh?
>>30252084
>>30252084
yep, footage of them reaching the crossroads came up about four hours ago.
link to video
https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/742030462047158272
Also, SDF forces have announced the beginning of the second stage of the assault on Manjib. It appears that the battle for the Silo is only a portion of what is to come in the hours ahead.
>>30250260
I think they're done (a year tops) when the Kurds and SAA finish their blockade from Turkey by capturing Manbij, Al Bab and Tabqa, since they can't get supplies from any other country/entity, they'd have to rely only on what they already have.
>>30251273
>fighting for control of the grain silos.
I am not quite sure how I should respond to that.
Ambitious lot in this part of the world, christ knows what they will do if they come across a puddle, they would go crazy over a small bit of water.
>>30250661
>Russia is deploying troops along the Turkish-Armenian border. This is a move that is meant to both shake up Turkey and reassure Armenia that Russia is upholding its defense pact with it.
Thank fucking God the Ruskies are making use of that base. Last thing my kinsmen need is a two way assualt from the Turks and the Azeris
>>30252691
What are you trying to say? Thats its stupid to fight over these silos? Because looking at the pic, it seems like these are some top priority defensive objectives to hold.
And you know, you might heard about the Grain Silo in Stalingrad, that was one of the most famous battlegrounds during the WW2 battle there.
I'm sorry if I missunderstood you and its something else you wanted to make fun of.
>>30251030
>>30251273
I'm not so sure about ISW.
Their syria coverage is the best, but their iraqi one (or ukrainian before) not so much. Its mostly because they got their information from the officially iraqi military bulletins.
For example, its completely insane to paint everything outside Fallujah as green/under iraqi full control. I can almost guarantee it, that most of the mentioned spots where fighting will happen in the next 2-3 weeks will be in these green areas.
On the other hand, their coverage of the political situation in iraq (which is almost completely ignored by most watchers of the the iraqi theatre against isis) with the anti government protests, the split among the parliament and the multiple intrigues among the political, clerical and shia militia elite is top notch.
>>30253055
I am ignorant, I had never heard of stalingrad.
>>30253156
Cool
>>30250260
Why doesn't the SAA take the villages east of Homs? Seems like a great pincer move.
>>30253457
>Why doesn't the SAA take the villages east of Homs? Seems like a great pincer move.
they are slowly and steadily expanding in that area.
then again they are slow in expanding anywhere
>>30253156
it actually checks out for the most part. Saqlawiyah was captured recently and so has parts of Al Shuhadda. I will admit that they should be putting Al-Zawiyah and Halabasa as ISIL held as I have not heard of any ISF attacks coming from that direction. Plus everything you see in dark green is under ISF control. Obviously its dumb to paint it all green and have ISIL held territory only highlight the population centers they control because it creates a stark contrast where you think ISF has more land than ISIL. Here's a picture to contrast. Obviously livemaps.ua won't know absolutely everything, but it lines up with other reports that ISIL only controls the city itself as well as the countryside on the west bank of the Euphrates.
But I agree, ISW was shady when reporting what was going on in Ukraine.
Think there's any truth to the rebels saying they've purposely moved their headquarters out of Idlib city to try and spare the population from the recent airstrikes?
Seems silly and sinister for SyAAF or the Russians to be bombing vegetable markets.
>>30254922
Russians, but not the Syrians.
Assad has absolutely been waging a war against /all/ of the territory under rebel control, not just the fighters in an effort to cripple them.
>>30246372
ITZ RELLY BIG DAKKA ONNA SMAUL TRUK YOU GIT.
>>30253156
this, because they get their info from the iraqi military it usually goes something like "6000 ISIS terrorists were slain today with only one iraqi soldier getting a papercut in comparison"
>>30246328
>-US accidentally bombed Kurdish forces north of Manbij, killing close to 20
ALLAH HU AKBAR
>>30246372
IRAM launcher. The design for it coined by Hezbollah/Iran.
Very large warheads.
these threads are so slow when they arnt full of shitposting
and i like it
>>30246999
Ya know how to fix that so it stops?
A29 Tucano, or miniCOIN in general
>>30257809
well its also because most of the fighting is going on now when Americans and Canadians are supposedly going to bed. So it tends to be a lot of morning posting and it dies down as the day goes on.
Does anyone have pictures of the back of any truck bombs? I need them for an argument.
>>30251030
>Fallujah University
Wonder what courses they have
>IED 101
>RPG 301
>Introduction to stoning
>Islam:How to blame every one else for your shitty world
So what did I miss this past three days?
Last time it was kinda quiet after the Manbij attack.
>>30253847
The problem is, that outside the urban core, this isnt a battle with clearly defined frontlines. The iraqi military might truly reach or capture one area, but fighting might start there just days later and a new battle for that place has to be started and again and again.
Thats why I said that a map like the one from ISW is not really helpful to understand the military situation.
Pic related, a similiar situation from last summer, when the iraqis were fighting for all the settlements and towns around Ramadi.
>>30254922
If so then it hasnt worked, as there were another 30-40 people killed yesterday when a barrel bomb hit an Idlib market
>>30258842
Nah, the Islamic State doesn't value advanced education enough to actually use it. They usually just give kids a quick brainwashing from Islamic elementary schools, then throw the boys into the war and the girls into baby factories.
Fallujah University was closed entirely in 2014 and was never used for its intended purpose under IS. If they were smart enough, IS could had used the complex as a barracks, a garrison, a weapons/ammo storage, or an IED/improvised armor factory up until it fell back to the hands of the ISF, or the start of the siege at least.
>>30259031
Nothing. The SAA inched a bit closer to Tabqa Airbase but thats it. Nothing has been taken or lost.
Thats because most syrians are busy watching the Euro soccer tornament, while the more radical elements on both sides are fapping to that gay nightclub attack.
>>30259031
>>30259113
Besieged IS fighters did manage to push back the encirclement around Manbij a little though. Not that it matters much if the SDF continues to receive US air support.
It also looks like the SDF is in fact attempting to stretch as far as they can towards Al-Bab, but I won't count on then doing the same with the town like they did with Manbij this soon. The higher-up might have the Al-Bab offensive planned for later.
Also, did IS in Libya just get BTFO?
>>30259169
We dont know enough. Mainstream media has reported Sirte fallen some days ago but has been wrong like each and every time about Liya.
But it seems indeed, that based Misrata is doing the good work and burning down Sirte for a second time. ISIS wont go away though, they just lost their main town, they have enough of the deserts and villages around.
>>30259216
Who is running the show in Libya now?
I though the new unity government was supposed to integrate the Tripoli and Tobruk governments? But it seams Hafter is still holding onto power.
>>30259355
No the two rival governments are still there. Misrata has 'recognized' the unity government but thats just for show, they are doing their own thing. Same with the Berbers in the Nafusah mountains or the Cyrenaica Separatists (who both recognize the Tobruk gov, without caring much either). The jihadis in Derna, the Mujahedeen Council in Benghazi and ISIS dont give a fuck either, obviously. The southern half of the country is ruled by different toareg or local ethnic desert tribes independently.
So, its kinda somalia like all in all.
Kurds failed Milan attack agains a Turkish M48. A fucking M48 with sandbags strapped on it. Not only that morons got killed in the process. Unfuckinbelievable.
Tank:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck1JiwUW0AAXmJJ.jpg
Milan cartridge:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfsBpJpWIAAHKe1.jpg
>>30259867
And here I though that only militias in middle eastern civil wars went mad max.
Fuck, Turkey is supposed to be the premier military power in the region and a NATO memeber on top of that and here they weld chain linked wire fence and put sandbags on their fuck old m48s...
Reports that the SAA & Friends are attacking the Mallah farms in North Aleppo again; the Pro Rebels posters are already claiming that the attack was repelled.
Near Damascus; ISIS claimed that they attacked the Dumayr Airbase, east of Qalamun. Other than that, reports of SAA assaults eastern Ghouta area.
No news from the SAA Raqqa tour, but SDF Spokeman said that the SDF/YPG are not racing for the city of Raqqa, and that if the SAA want it, they can go take it, somehow meaning that they wouldn't give two fucks about it.
>>30260470
The chain link fence may be rubble it carries along after it ran through fences and walls.
Just to bump up the thread, here's one of the latest map from around Manbij; as mentioned before, ISIS fighters from the city have recaptured some villages around the city. ISIS are showing the SDf that they aint gonna let Manbij fall so easily.
Also, US helicopters seen around Manbij; one Chinook and what I think is a Black Hawk in the background.
>>30250260
>Lets completly ignore Iraq
Fucking retard
>>30261413
>let's not read what that guy immediately after that
Fucking retard
>>30259867
M48s? I know they have a healthy amount of M60s but jesus fucking christ.
What the fuck even happened there anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnmLnsZuek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxFSm0k5ELY
>>30261455
Well they only deploy M60s and I guess M48 in the east, because Germans forbid the deployment of Leo in the east. Also its seams like KRG is bleeding a lot of its shit to PKK, first G36, than Panzerfausts and now Milans.
Have the kurds overextended themselves in Manbij?
>>30262111
probably not, ISIS just got themselves into deep shit and are struggling. They took 4 villages and counterattacks are to be expected, but the kurds still captured some 90 odd villages.
>>30261632
I'm asking this to get my facts checked, but doesn't KRG normally really fucking hate PKK? If so, maybe it's more along the lines of an uneasy alliance.
>>30261363
Special forces on their way.
Seems like ISIS started trying to cut the SAA advance into Raqqa by attacking their backs and flanks.
The attacks have been deflected until now.
To wrap up the ending results of the day:
- The ISIS suffered losses and loss o material in their attack on the Dumayr AB, near Damascus, early today.
- The ISIS attacks on the SAA forces in the way to Taqba was also repelled, with ISIS also tooking losses, wich the SAA soldiers are proudly displaying in some recent photos. ISIS claims the destruction of 1 tank and 2 BMP's in the region. Syaaf planes have been dropping leaflets in Taqba saying that the SAA is coming.
- In North Aleppo, the last SAA assault, aided by some 80 airstrikes in the region, against the Malah farms was repelled, again. The Rebels claim that they have retaken all positions lost to the SAA early today, as well as 50 SAA and allied soldiers killed. The SAA claims 31 rebels killed, one of them, a commander, was reported killed by an airstrike. Also, reports of a Special Forces Battalion of the SAA moving to Aleppo.
- Fight erupted in the Panorama checkpoint, Deirz, again, as ISIS throwed a VBIED against the SAA position.
- The New Syrian Army raided ISIS positions, killing some ISIS fighters and taking some equipaments, south of the city of Abu Kamal, near the border with Iraq.
Here's a photo of the members of the New Syrian Army looking some of the material that they have taken from ISIS.
No reports of gains and losses was made from east Ghouta, only this video of Rebels sighting some SAA tanks;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Xpozcwui4
And here's a video of the Rebels fighting in North Aleppo against the SAA;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVtTuTqcpkk
the finish the reports; early today, pro SAA sources claimed the capture of all hills surrounding Kabani, in Latakia, but in the afternoon, reports sugest that they lost some of the hills.
>>30261632
>>30262766
Some PKK fighters and units are in Iraq, where they help fight ISIS and protect cities, like Sinjar. It's not difficult to imagine that some Peshmergas that are more friendly towards the PKK have given them some of their toys.
>>30261632
>G36
Any source? I'd like to see a picture of that
>>30265339
>Some PKK fighters and units are in Iraq, where they help fight ISIS and protect cities, like Sinjar
Actually, the PKK has it's headquarters in Iraq. It's in the Qandil moutains in the Northeast, they control the whole area. Also some mountains in the northwest, i forgot the name. They have free access between Turkey and Iraq by that. 2011, KRG/KDP and PKK fought over those mountains, there's still tensions today. On the other side, they fight together in Shingal/Sinjar. YPG has free access from Syria to Iraq in the Sinjar region, and PKK is using those border crossings too. Even during the shutdown of the whole border.
>>30259867
That makes me sad. Probably good men and women have been lost, and Turkshits have their propaganda now.
>>30246279
No Middle East thread should be without this webm
>>30265722
6 seconds between firing and hit.
20 seconds between acquiring target and hit.
Thats not a lot.
>>30265543
Has PKK actually accomplished anything in Turkey? All the images I have seen of eastern Turkey make Aleppo look nice
>>30266857
What you see are the cities, it's not the "real" PKK fighting there.
PKK is just the roof organization for many different branches. PYD is the political branch in Syria, YPG it's military.
KCK is PKK's political group in Turkey, HPG (people's defence forces) are the PKK military in Turkey. You know, the guys in the green suits, the guerillas in the mountains. They aren't fighting in the cities right now, they are still in the mountains, like in the helo vid.
Fighting in the cities are the kurdish local youths. They are organized in the YDG-H and YPS, the metropolitan resistance groups.
What you see, are the destroyed cities of Nusaybin or Cizira. It's not the first time the Turkish military did that. And they produced thousands of new recruits and sympathizers for the PKK. Like they always did. Meanwhile, the "real" PKK army/guerilla, the HPG, is fighting in the mountains. The PKK is controlling the mountains since 40 years, the Turks can't do much about that. It's dangerous for them to enter the mountains, the Kurds know the territory, they have defence positions, they have the equipment, and they have the experience. They just dig in, and wait untill the jets and helicopters are gone.
That shit is going on since the 70s, and it's not going to end. Untill Turkey finds a political solution. In that case, the PKK will have achieved a lot. That's how Guerilla wars work.
>>30261632
>Germans forbid the deployment of Leo in the east
Explain to me how the germans have anything to say on that matter or how they could enforce it or why the turks would listen to them.
>>30267097
Germany is by far Turkey's biggest economical partner. Turkey gets all kind of shit from there, and they are basically Turkey's only left friend in Europe. Noone wants to play with them anymore, noone. But Germany and Turkey are still BFFs.
Started in the 19th century, still on today. There's a reason there's more than 2 million Turks in Germany.
Turkish police and military get almost everything from Germany, or produce under German licenses. And when Germany is selling Leopard 2s, they can do it with the order to not use them in the civil war. Because Turkey tends to massacre it's own citizens in that conflict.
>>30266857
Turkroach propaganda. They are bombing the cities and killing hundreds of elders and youths.
The real PKK fighters are in the mountains, resisting like they always did. Turkey hasn't achieved shit outside the cities yet. And they won't. That war hasn't even really started yet, but Turkey already banters about having won.
>>30265722
nice fucking shot
>>30267187
>left
that's changing, with Germany's recognition of the Armenian genocide, relations between Germany and Turkey are fraying. Hell, even Turkish MPs in the Bundestag have been threatened by their fellow Turks for supporting the bill that recognizes the genocide. I hope to god there's a complete falling out due to this and due to the differences in how the European countries in the anti ISIL coalition and how Turkey perceive the Kurds, with the latter wanting to bomb them in Syria while the former wants to arm and train them.
>>30257809
Yep
>>30259425
I had some shill "Libyan" today on /int/ claiming that Libya is better today than it was in 2010.
He also said everyone was unified behind the GNA.
>>30265160
>new syrian army
New new new new new "Syrian" """army"""
>>30267211
This
>>30268222
nah, now its the New New New New New New Syrian Army (or NNNNNNSA for short).
>>30268153
I hope Turkey gets screwed over royally.
But then again, ISIS helped start this Kurd/Turk war.
Fucking ISIS.
Amazing how mistakes going back to WW1, lead to wars a century later.
Iraq 2 just made it all worse. Now the whole region is at war.
>>30268279
While this is a /pol/ topic, it actually adresses why conflicts in the Middle East Begin. The Iraq war 2 electric boogaloo just exacerbated the problems that were arising. the Middle East's population is ballooning, while the governments of the region fail to provide either the basics to keep them employed, fed or alive. In addition to that, they have oppressive regimes that increase the anger towards their governments. Once the money dries up in places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, you're gonna see massive wars there because the government won't be able to take care of its people while at the same time being unwilling to relinquish the monopoly of power they have.
A good contrast is Ethiopia; they're experiencing a horrible drought but because they have a fairly strong democracy by African standards, they're able to work efficiently to alleviate those without food without any large scale violence occurring (something that was prominent when they were controlled by an autocrat). Plus if they do a bad job they're voted out.
TLDR: massive population growth mixed with economic inequality/stagnation and autocratic governments leads to conflict.
>>30268363
>the governments of the region fail
>Once the money dries up
Therein lies the problem with many of the ME states. They are nations based on plunder economics. The majority of wealth is generated by selling off mineral resources, and it is very easy for a small group of people to control those resources. This means that the gov can operate completely independently of the people (or reality), and placate them with the plunder of the state if anyone disapproves. More often than not resource rich nations are ruined by their wealth, because it means that they dont need to create a functioning economy and a responsive political system. The history of colonial spain is like this.
The whole ME is a kleptocracy built upon the foundations of other kleptocracys, and kleptocracy is brittle. Iraq circa 2000s just stirred the pot a little. The ethnic divisions within it goes all the way back to the ottoman empire days:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Iraq
>>30269474
If you look at Iraq's state owned businesses during the Saddam era, most of them were overstaffed and extremely ineffective because Iraq could afford to give people "ghost jobs" that were heavily subsidized by the oil revenues. Had it not been for the second Iraq war in 2003 Saddam would have faced an internal revolt because of how bankrupt the Iraqi gov had become from its war with the US and Iran (not saying that it would have been successful, just that people would have challenged his rule)
>>30265160
What's the new syrian army? An alliance? Or just another fancy name for FSA islamists?
anyone already uploaded the video?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1278785/pictured-police-commander-and-his-wife-stabbed-to-death-by-isis-attacker-larossi-abballa-at-their-home-near-paris/
>>30271070
They're AMERICA'S fancy name for FSA islamists
>>30271070
nah. CIÄ backed.. and trained. yo. they are the coolest shit outta there. they also get huge support from jordan special operation units.
rare video: HJ8 operator with CIÄ trainer in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Iynsa1U6Q
>>30268363
Of the gulf countries only Saudi Arabia might have problems when oil runs out. Those small emirates have so much cash invested that they can pretty much sustain their lifestyle through dividend payouts. Although they might have to cut back on dick waving building projects but that's mostly going to affect immigrants. Arabs are a lot of things but they aren't stupid when it comes to money. Plus the peninsula is prime geopolitical location. Its in the middle between east and west, they will always have people lining up to support them.
>>30271135
>https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1278785/pictured-police-commander-and-his-wife-stabbed-to-death-by-isis-attacker-larossi-abballa-at-their-home-near-paris/
>>30271070
They are a small group of Rebels, formed mainly by SAA defectors, who declared that they are armed and trained by the CIA, and most certainly have some aid given by the Jordanian Army.
But, in the whole of the civil war, they are really small fry. Their area of operation is limited to the deserts between the Syrian/Jordanian/Iraqi border, and the majority of what they do is just raid ISIS positions and try to take over border crossings and villages.
>>30271191
>arabs aren't stupid when it comes to money.
That's why Dubai defaulted some years ago and Abu Dahbi had to inject a fair percentage of its cash reserves to lift the emirate back up?
That's why they invest in education and infrastructure outside of the big cities?
That's why they develop industry?
Shut up, you retard, the gulf states will implode in the future. Exception made to the UAE because they actually learned their lesson with that default I mentioned above, Oman and maybe Bahrain. The rest are fucked when the tit stops giving milk.
>>30271135
>>30271257
I don't get it. So many shit pulled by ISIL, but only in France. There's been one stabbing in Germany, that's all. But Germany is also sending Tornados to Syria, they are supplying the Pesh in Iraq.
Why does ISIL focus so much on France? There's a lot of frenchmen among ISIL ranks ofc, but there's also almost 800 Germans in Syria and Iraq. I don't understand that.
>>30268363
>A good contrast is Ethiopia; they're experiencing a horrible drought but because they have a fairly strong democracy by African standards, they're able to work efficiently to alleviate those without food without any large scale violence occurring (something that was prominent when they were controlled by an autocrat). Plus if they do a bad job they're voted out.
Ethiopia is a fucking shithole with armed insurgencies and thousands of murders a day.
They also don't have the issue of a 100% muslim population.
>>30271498
>800 Germans in Syria and Iraq
I don't like being rude, but I think you really really misunderstand how media reports things and skews things.
They like to report "nationality". A lot of those "Germans" hold German citizenship, but are immigrants. Bosnians, Turks, Arabs, etc etc.
Between 5-10% of the population in France is Muslim. The reason the spread is so big is because of two reasons:
1. It can be hard to keep track or count religious affiliation in census or data keeping.
2. There are so many illegal immigrants in France.
3. Some of the Muslims come from backgrounds like Albania and Bosnia. These groups don't stand out too much among the general population.
France has well over a few million immigrants combined from Tunisia, Morocco, Turkey, Algeria, and small Arab countries.
Furthermore, there are around 2 million or so blacks in France.
I don't believe any of this is even counting the people living there now from the refugee waves of the last 2 years, many of whom won't go back.
>>30272151
All this blabla
I don't give a fuck about your racial statistics, i'm well aware many of those 800 Germans have different ethnic backgrounds. I was talking about 800 German citizens tho, and that's a fact.
Don't be so fucking autistic.
>>30271498
Also, Germany is known for issuing gag orders and silencing media coverage on migrant crime. There might have been a ton of small-scale attacks, stabbings, etc by now that you will never hear about in the current media.
Furthermore, the vast majority of Muslims in Germany are Turks, if you don't count the recent refugee waves. Turks engage in secular and drug-related violence, as do the Kurds and many of the Lebanses groups in Germany. Not religious violence.
>>30272151
And don't you dare ruin this great thread with your autistic shitposting. Just take the fact there's about 800 German citizens fighting for ISIL, noone gives a fuck about their ethnicity. Doesn't even have anything to do with the OP you refer to.
>>30272186
Just fuck off to /pol/, ofc "small-scale attacks" appear in the media. If you'd speak German you would know how fucking retarded you are.
Like i said, just fuck off already, you're ruining this thread.
>>30272175
Maybe this will answer you better:
>>30272186
>>30268185
>He also said everyone was unified behind the GNA.
one half of the country anyway
>>30272198
I' bin ava daytsch, un du?
Mehrere Angriffe in Karlsruhe bei der S-Bahn sind schon hier gemeldet worden, davon eine Attacke auf Studenten aus China. War direkt bei KIT. Und? Was in der Zeitung gesehen? Ne. :)
>>30271411
So did Freddie Mac, Fannie May, AIG. Companies default. Just like US government steeped in to save US banking and US auto so Abu Dhabi steeped in to save Dubai World.
They have nothing to develop outside the big cities. For fuck sake most of those places were villages 50 years ago.
They are developing industries, mainly focused on services, tourism, finance, trade. Oil is important, but oil is important for any country that has a significant quantity be in UAE or Norway, Scotland, Brazil.
Gulf states will not implode on their own, their populations are small and rich. The states have the money to continue maintaining status quo for a long time. Only exception are Saudis, but even they are investing in diversification, its just taking longer because of their large population size. Wishes are one thing, reality another.Saying that Arabs would go up in flame with out oil is true, but so is saying that UK would go up in flame without banking. And I think we are closer to seeing banks collapse again than we are to seeing world without oil.
>>30272240
I'm talking about terrorist acts, ISIS related. What you are talking about is OT. Totally. Just stop it. This is over by now, finally we got a great /meg/. Don't ruin it, either by /pol/ tier OT shitposting or switching language. This is my last post on this topic. Tschüß.
>>30271498
Wouldn't surprise me that it also has a lot to do with how France presents itself. The French are US light in terms of attacking ISIS,Al-Qaeda and pretty much anyone else who is against status quo in Africa and ME.
>>30272198
He gave you the right answer. Almost all Muslims in Germany come from countries or governments with relatively secular policies and culture. In contrast, the population of Muslims in France come from Arabic countries where Islam is far more ingrained in daily life.
>>30272188
were you dropped on you head as a child?
>>30272278
Sure, just ignore religious violence, stabbings, and murder between different groups in the asylum centers.
>>30272278
Typisch deutsch.
>>30272198
>>30272188
>>30272175
end your life... seriously
Most of the Muslims here in Germany are not as bad as the typical African
It also depends on which part of the Arab shithole they come from, the north Africans tend to not be as bad
>>30272352
Bin ich nicht, ich spreche nur relativ gut deutsch. Und verfolge deutsche Medien.
>>30272345
We're talking about ISIL you fucking idiot, ofc every non related crime is to ignore. What does that shit have to do with this.
>>30272358
>t. shitposting white trash
>b-but muh rapefugees and islam
Fuck off to /pol/, fuckwits.
>>30272313
This is probably the biggest reason.
Turkey is only mild-durka and has a large movement that is secular. That's what the current country was built on.
WIth the exception of Morrocans in France, most of the other Arab groups come from countries that are seriously backwards.
Thanks for ruining another Middle East thread, shitposters
>>30272403
Dein Deutsch ist nicht schlecht. Gut gemacht. Lern weiter. Woher kommst du?
Anyways, Germany has something called "Redeverbot", which means that the German government can legally and openly tell someone to cease talking, stating certain ideas and/or facts, or reporting on certain issues. This can be enforced with fines and prison time.
The German government can use it against anyone. Citizens, foreigners, political parties, political leaders, religious leaders, whoever they want.
If there is something that the German media, police, etc does not want reported, it WILL NOT BE REPORTED.
>>30272469
I heard about that, it's worse than Hitler ever was. I wish he would finally come back from his base on the backside of the moon, and bring the German nation to glory again.
You are posting 100% off the topic. Go away.
>>30272469
>not long, and there will be German nazis dying in concentration camps again. 6 million dead nationalists don't seem to have been enough for Merkelstein
you're a delusional idiot.
>>30272403
There was a beheading in Munich on top of a building in 2013 that only leaked because it was in public.
It's hard to get info on anything politically sensitive in Germany and reports are highly manipulated.
Roman Reusch was the guy in charge of a police district and some serious offenders unit. He went against the Redeverbot (which is explained by >>30272469 ). There was some public outrage so it seems they didnt get away with jailing or fining him, but he was actually fired from his job and put under a lot of pressure for giving out hard numbers on the crime and violence that goes on in Berlin.
>>30272151
>>30272175
>>30272186
>>30272198
>>30272199
>>30272240
>>30272278
>>30272303
>>30272313
>>30272338
>>30272345
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>>30272527
I fucking hate you guys.
Can some mod please erase this bullshit? This used to be a good thread
>>30272512
>It's better than what Hitler did, so it must be good
Germany has one of the shittiest media and freedom of press policies in western europe or the western world and is way better at covering it up than, say, France.
Political prisoners in Germany have a nasty habit of dying suspicious deaths in their prison cells, from right wing extremists, former Nazis, to far left guerillas and certain Communists.
Stop arguing.
The question asked was
>>30271498
and the only actual answer was
>>30272186
or
>>30272313
That's the reason and that's the answer to the qeustion. There is no historically large population of Muslims in Germany that are overly religious, in contrast to France.
Sorry for any bad English, not my native language.
>i want an answer
>here's your answer
>you can't use that answer it's related to demographics and that must be /pol/!
Dude, sadly, the answer to your question is only answered by demographics and not any real /k/ explanation in this case. If you had thought about it for a bit, you wouldn't have had to ask the question in the first place. Look at the shitstorm it started.
Anyways:
>>30250661
Why? I know Armenia and Turkey are always at it, but it's nothing ever more than border clashes. Neither side really has any motive to invade, right?
>>30254922
I've heard that most people think that bombing nowadays is way more accurate than it really is. There's all kinds of mistaken targets every day all the time still. So it could have very well happened.
>>30271498
idk
isnt it far harder to get any kind of weapon in germany than france?
anyone know?
Small reports:
- Al Masdar is reporting that ISIS have launched an attack on eastern Homs, fight is ongoing.
- Fight is still ongoing around Kabani, Latakia, as pro SAA sources claims the capture of Ayn Isa.
There are also reports of fight on South Hama; with the SAA shelling Morek, East Ghouta; with the SAA advancing against the Rebels positions, North Aleppo; with latest reports of the Rebels still advancing against ISIS lands and the YPG from Afrin shelling and attacking Azaz outskirts.
>>30248878
Bomber Harris is an example of someone who loves war because he pretty much never had to deal with the reality of it.
He dodged all major battles and made sure he got a BS squad position (bugler) in a relatively safe theater. He momentarily saw combat as a fighter pilot just as his unit was being transferred to a different front to do recon instead of air combat, then was transferred back home to Great Britain.
Typical story of someone from a rich and well-connected family using brief and relatively safe time in the military to further a political career.
He then made sure that civilian targets were bombed in the Arab uprising in the 30s.
Later went on to become an official member of the aristocracy and became rich managing a shipping company in South Africa.
>>30272883
I read that England had to guard his statue 24/7 to stop vandalism - by native Brits.
>>30272444
>buttblasted by correct answers to a question
Keep screaming back to /pol/ though that'll show them
No one's going to talk about Baghdadi biting the bomb? Several actual news outlets are reporting it. OTOH, I doubt it will change much in the war. ISIS is near collapse, but they'll soldier on at least a bit more under a new guy.
anyone got the webm, where a guy gets shot from a mile away by a sniper, while hes shitting?
was definitely in the middle east.
>>30272989
It's not about "showing them", kiddo. It's about keeping this thread clean. They didn't answer the question, other anons did. They started /pol/ tier, non related shitposting about german media. Retardation, nothing more. Just like your post.
News from South Aleppo, as the Rebel Forces launched another assault on the region against the positions guarded by the Iranian led Shia militias.
The latest reports from pro Rebel sources are saying that the Rebels took Zaytan and entered Khalasah, east of Qarassi and Humayra.
>>30273014
Still waiting for confirmation.
There had been multiple dubious reports of him getting bombed to gibs before, although he had sustained serious injuries in 2015. IS has been so secretive about his status (to keep up morale of course) that it's impossible to tell if he was even alive all this time.
>>30273250
Those guys have the time of their life.
Hunting down ISIS in a conventional war, fighting from village to village against some overmotivated islamists who field scrappy tanks and light arms.
When or where does a soldier have an opportunity like that?
>>30271498
Hi,
I think I can make an answer that is slightly /k/ related.
Be warned - I think the other poster/posters are correct that it is largely a demographic issue.
HOWEVER!!!!!
1. Muslims in France often come from areas that are/were war zones. They have seen combat, war, fights, etc or even have combat experience of some kind. If not, their fathers, uncles, or older brothers have (assuming they are younger).
2. LOTS of Muslims in the French army. Ballpark numbers are thrown around since France makes it illegal to do census on race/religion or something, but you consistently read between 10 and 20 percent.
Watching French military parades definitely makes you realize it's at least 5-10%.
Anyways, this means that a considerable amount of the Arabs in France have some kind of military training.
3. The French like to show off their military muscle. They are also overly patriotic and this must really piss off some Arabs (or other groups, mostly Muslims) who don't like what France is doing in their countries. I believe it's called Francafrique.
Let's compare all this to Germany
- Next to no Muslims in the German army, at least not compared to France
- Little national pride = no military parades to piss off Muslims
- Until recently, Muslim immigrants to Germany didn't come from absolute war zones or areas with high levels of combatants
This might all change soon, as I've read articles that the German army wants more Muslims, most of the refugees are coming from war zones, etc. etc.
>>30273217
I don't see how those posts were off-topic, to be honest. The German government set off a lot of these mass migration waves (or at least encouraged them), which has pissed off at least half the EU, and seemingly allowed a lot of hostile combatants and whatnot to get into the EU. Obviously they will try to get anyone reporting on possible shitstorms or small-scale incidents to STFU to try to do damage control.
>>30275671
The tl;dr of this is that the Muslim community in France has people with combat and/or military experience.
Does anyone also think that maybe France being on the Med has anything to do with it? Lots of port cities and whatnot in direct contact with North Africa. They must also be getting in people that way.
>>30275671
>>30275695
I think you're wrong. Like some anon posted before:
The muslim community in Germany is mainly Turkish. Almost 90% of German muslims are Turks. Turks come from a country that has been founded on the idea of laizism (secularity) and pro-western ideology. In fact, untill Erdogan came to power, Turkey has been very anti-muslim. Attatürk had people jailed and beaten for wearing headrags or traditional muslim male clothing.
Most muslims in France come from Africa, mostly Arabs. Arab islam is much more radical than the Turkish one.
tl;dr: Imams in Germany preach in Turkish, Imams in France preach in Arabic. Arabic islam schools are way more radical than their Turkish equivalents.
>>30275773
Didn't most Turks living abroad i Germany vote for the islamist AKP party in the Turkish election?
This might be the most naive question ever, but:
If the war goes on for x more years and the SAA and FSA fight each other to a standstill, could be be looking at a formation of two different states? One run by Assad&Co and one by..whoever directs FSA?
>>30275868
we be*
>>30275831
It's not that easy. AKP is a conservative party, islamic, but not openly islamist.
Most Turks in Germany are conservative, they or their ancestors left Turkey 50 years ago and want a traditional Turkish identity. So they vote the AK party.
Also, it doesn't mean that most Turks arent proud muslims. Older Turks have been told in school that practicing islam is bad. Now, Erdogan tells them that you can be a good Turk and also a muslim. They feel more free now.
There's a lot of shades of islamic and islamist. Turkish nationalists, the MHP, shout "Allahu Akbar", too, when they demonstrate. Doesn't mean they support radical Arabic Wahabis/Salafists like ISIS.
Turkey is complicated.
But, over all, Turkish muslims are way more used to secularism, than Arabs are.
as a french this guy >>30275773 is right. Keep in mind though that "refugees" were already planning to make a terrorist attack in germany. So it can be a matter of luck and an attack in germany can come sooner than expected.
Also you have to know that our police/"laicité"/and military piss off muslim. Ex :
-War in mali against islamists.
-War in afghanistan
-First one with the US to bomb the islamist state
-Special Forces in Lybia
-No islamic scarf in school
-No Niqab/burka allowed in public
Add to this that they are tons of muslim/salafist in France who are defenitely not integrated.
>>30275831
>>30275901
There's also a lot of Turkish and Turkish Kurdish migrants in Germany, who came during the 80s. Unlike the ones coming before, they came as refugees during the 3rd military coup. Most of them were political activists, so they vote left. Like CHP or HDP. And they are totally secular or atheist.
>>30275868
2 states is what should happen. Both sides hate each other too much and have 0 trust. If anyone wins, they'll dominate the government and disenfranchise the losers. There will be a huge new wave of refugees if one side collapses. But no-one wants to even discuss partition. It's completely off the table in any discussions.
>>30275773
Hi,
I agreed with previous posters that the demographic/cultural issue was probably the main reason. I was trying to add that the Muslims in France are also way more likely to have military training and exposure. What's your opinion on that part?
>>30276111
I think it's bullshit. There's no military parades in Germany, but still a lot of muslims in the Bundeswehr. Actually, there's been reports in the last months that islamists encourage their followers to join the army for military training.
By the way, there's a lot of Russians and Ukranians in the Bundeswehr, and there's a new phenomenon since 2 years: Russians or Ukranians packing all the stuff they can grab and leaving towards Ukraine to fight.
Your theory is based upon pictures of military parades in France. And it's just bullshit. Of course there's a lot of Turks in the German military.
But i don't even think that shit has anything to do with terrorist attacks. None of the terrorists who pulled any IS related shit in France was in the French military.
>>30261455
They don't need to deploy their high end toys when fighting a group of ragtag militias. Proliferation of ATGM is a concern but that's where combined operation played its role
Tho they should at least do some upgrade.Nothing really expensive, just slap some ERA blocks and cage armor and call it a day
>>30275978
Wonder how long the meat grinder would have to turn before both sides reach the same idea
>>30276142
ps - ISIS is encouraging followers in Germany to join the Bundeswehr, so they can come to Syria to fight and maybe spread their knowledge. It doesn't have much to do with terrorist attacks in Europe.
There's over 1000 people from France who are fighting in Syria, and around 800 from Germany.
>>30276142
>
By the way, there's a lot of Russians and Ukranians in the Bundeswehr, and there's a new phenomenon since 2 years: Russians or Ukranians packing all the stuff they can grab and leaving towards Ukraine to fight.
I really didnt' know that. Do you know where I can do some reading?
>Your theory is based upon pictures of military parades in France
I actually read it originally in CS Monitor and other news sites. I then watched a bunch of French military parades to see if their percentages were anywhere near accurate because I couldn't find any official documentation.
> but still a lot of muslims in the Bundeswehr
If that is true, which I don't know, the comparison isn't that good. The bundies see almost no training, combat, etc. It's basically just welfare.
>None of the terrorists who pulled any IS related shit in France was in the French military.
OK i didnt know that
thank you for the info
>>30276181
>Do you know where I can do some reading
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/5559622/bundeswehr-deserteur-kaempft-wohl-fuer-separatisten.html
>If that is true, which I don't know, the comparison isn't that good. The bundies see almost no training, combat, etc. It's basically just welfare.
Yes, it's true. And it's not just welfare, stop spreading shitty memes like that. They receive basically the same training as every other NATO soldiers, there's a fucking NATO standard. Also the Bundeswehr is active in Afghanistan, Kosovo and Mali.
>OK i didnt know that thank you for the info
If you're being sarcastic, look it up. It's true. Belgium, France, even the US. None of those guys had a military background.
>>30246279
that gun costs more than the truck
>mfw
it's like racing against that kid that spec everything into the engine, than bitches about how its the car's fault when he loses
>>30246279
how do you call a large roaming force which is detached from the front line and advances in the enemy territory on its own, carrying supplies, with only minimal communication with occupied territory?
Because this is what I think I'm looking at. A caravan.
>>30276241
>If you're being sarcastic, look it up.
No, I was honestly just trying to be polite.
>even the US. None of those guys had a military background.
Fort Hood comes to mind.
Also, the huge November attacks were by people with combat experience in Syria.
The Charlie Hebdo shooters were with some Muslim gang that offered paramilitary training, implying that some of the members had some sort of military or combat background, as well.
> And it's not just welfare, stop spreading shitty memes like that
It pretty much is, to be honest. The Bundeswehr is shit, has a shit combat record in all the places you listed, and it's common knowledge among most Germans (myself included) that unless you have some sort of specialist role (doctor, some sort of translation crap, etc) usually only losers go there. Are you German? I'm assuming you are, based on the news link.
>Ein Fallschirmjäger der Bundeswehr hat offenbar Fahnenflucht begangen, um an der Seite prorussischer Rebellen in der Ukraine kämpfen. Auch seine Gefechtsausrüstung ist verschwunden.
Wow. One guy. Your post made it sound like it was a wave of people doing this. And you know what - it's just as likely he really went to Ukraine as that he fabricated the story and sold his gear for a shit ton of money and went somewhere better to live.
>Nach Informationen der "Süddeutschen Zeitung"
lol
> They receive basically the same training as every other NATO soldiers, there's a fucking NATO standard.
Hilarious. How gullible do you have to be to believe that? Do you really think that NATO "standards" are a true set standard from country to country? You think that troops in Norway train the same as American troops? The biggest hole in the NATO "standard" is that Iceland doesn't even have an army.
Are you a Bundie loser? Is that why you're so assmad? Is that why you immediately assume that people being polite or kind are being sarcastic or condesending because you're a welfare queen?
>>30276241
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/26/german-soldiers-can-t-shoot.html
>It wasn’t until 2010, for example, that the Bundeswehr issued new “small arms guidelines” requiring more live ammo training at close range instead of practicing at long distances from hilltops or trenches.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article133792039/Polen-ist-besorgt-ueber-die-Schwaeche-der-Bundeswehr.html
>Auch in Deutschlands Nachbarland wurde ausführlich über die Ausrüstungsmängel berichtet: über Hubschrauber, die nicht fliegen, über Panzer, die nicht repariert werden, und über Gewehre, die nicht geradeaus schießen können.
A report by Germany's Parliament found forces in Afghanistan got through more than 1.7 million pints of beer and 92,000 bottles of wine last year. They are already on track to top those figures this year, with 901,000 pints of beer and 56,000 bottles of wine being shipped in the first six months. US forces are not allowed to drink, while British soldiers are allowed only small quantities while off-duty. Earlier this year, another report found that 40 per cent Germany's 3,600 soldiers in Afghanistan were overweight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-army-idUSN0447168320080304
>The statistics only add to the embarrassment of the country's federal army, Bundeswehr, after a report earlier this year found troops to be too fat, smoked too much and didn't exercise enough. It showed they lived on beer and sausages while shunning fruit and vegetables. The parliamentary report claimed that some 40 per cent of all German army personnel are overweight - a higher percentage than in the civilian population.
>>30276664
>Fort Hood
Not an ISIS attack. You don't even get the point of this, it's about ISIS attacks. Just because that guy was muslim, doesn't mean it has anything to do with this.
>November attacks were by people with combat experience in Syria.
Of course, what the fuck are you even about? We're talking about military experience from an European army, that was the issue.
>The Charlie Hebdo shooters were with some Muslim gang that offered paramilitary training, implying that some of the members had some sort of military or combat background, as well.
same.
>it's just as likely he really went to Ukraine as that he fabricated the story and sold his gear for a shit ton of money and went somewhere better to live
That's your stupid assumption. It's way more likely he's gone to Ukraine to fight, then he just sold his gear for a few hundred bucks and went to the fucking bahamas.
>Hilarious. How gullible do you have to be to believe that? Do you really think that NATO "standards" are a true set standard from country to country? You think that troops in Norway train the same as American troops?
Don't be so fucking retarded dude, what the fuck. You're obviously without any military background, else you'd know the basic training in NATO armies is designed to bring them all to the same standard.
Doesn't matter what you and your teutonic friends think about your army, fact is, they receive the same fucking training as every other recruit in the military. Of course there's little differences, but the standard is always the same. And what does fucking Island even have to do with this shit?
>Are you a Bundie loser? Is that why you're so assmad? Is that why you immediately assume that people being polite or kind are being sarcastic or condesending because you're a welfare queen?
No, i'm not. I'm angry because you are to stupid to even understand the whole fucking issue and keep banting. Fucking Germans, you've been proven wrong. Just accept it.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/von-der-leyen-fitness-fuer-soldaten-der-bundeswehr-nicht-entscheidend-a-960549.html
>
Vom Gepäckmarsch gestählter Körper in Uniform? Für Verteidigungsministerin von der Leyen ist das kein Merkmal eines modernen Soldaten mehr. Mit einer Lockerung der Fitnessregeln will sie die Truppe als Arbeitgeber attraktiver machen.
>>30276730
>>30276763
>>30276796
Stop being so fucking autistic you fuckwit, i never said the bundeswehr was fucking shit.
But they receive the same fucking training as every other NATO army, that's a fucking fact. There's a NATO standart. Holy fuck you're making me mad captain autismo, stop denying fucking facts.
>>30276840
>*wasn't fucking shit.
Typo. Of course they are fucking shit, it's an idiot army. But still with standartized NATO training.
>>30258601
Oh sure hmg send him his but here I am in June fucking waiting on mine
>>30276822
Original point was that Arabs in France had military exp. with EITHER the French army or people who had combat experience from abroad (presumably due to combat in North Africa). This was mentioned in the thread already.
>else you'd know the basic training in NATO armies is designed to bring them all to the same standard.
Except reality is different than theory. Not all NATO countries operate on the same standard, not by a long shot.
>>30276862
>Except reality is different than theory. Not all NATO countries operate on the same standard, not by a long shot
This shit is over, i'm not going to discus with a fucking mentally handicaped. I'm talking about standartized training, not the fucking outcome. Of course there's huge differences. But not in the fucking training.
How the fuck do you even manage to post on here
>Original point was that Arabs in France had military exp. with EITHER the French army or people who had combat experience from abroad (presumably due to combat in North Africa)
No, it wasn't. Read the thread again. I'm out.
Fucking Germans, what the fuck. Seriously.
I had no idea the Bundeswehr was THAT bad.
A buddy of mine served in Afghanistan and I remember asking him about other militaries and units that served. He briefly mentioned that they'd get nervous if the Germans were guarding a certain flank or corridor. They'd always keep a guy or two awake because they didn't trust the Germans to stay awake and do sentry duty correctly. You'd have enemy fighters easily slipping past their lines.
I thought this was just him joking or a random isolated case. But damn... you can't be drinking in a war zone and sure as hell not in that kind of climate and heat. Idiots.
>>30276854
Why not get it in 300 BLK though?
>>30276896
>Standardized training! Standardized training!
News flash - different trainers, different soldiers, different backgrounds, and different levels of rigor lead to totally different outcomes of "standardized training".
It's like throwing a bunch of people in a pool and saying that they all have the same resources with which to become great swimmers and then expecting the same outcome, even though half the swimmers have experience and are well trained and the other half doggie-paddle and get drunk in the pool.
>Fucking Germans, what the fuck. Seriously.
Let's not be racist now :~D
>>30276956
>racist
nowadays its more a nationality than an ethnicity with the amount of turks there
>>30275773
>tl;dr: Imams in Germany preach in Turkish, Imams in France preach in Arabic
No shit, because Arabs preach to each other in Arabic.
Iranian imams preach in Farsi.
Malaysian imams preach in Malay.
Chechen imams preach in Naikh.
Rest of your post is OK, though.
>>30276989
I thought you were done?
>This shit is over, i'm not going to discus with a fucking mentally handicaped.
Tell me more about standardized training!
>>30276937
I know it's not the original but I wanted it as close as I could. The kurz is really close to 300 ballistically supersonic speaking anyway. I can hand load down to subsonic but I wont. Really I just want it close.
>>30246328
> US accidentally bombs our allies
Fucking damn it
>>30276897
>>30276897
>>30276897
>>30276897
Can confirm the drinking. The French drink while on duty, too, though.We get soda, for those of you who don't know.
The difference is that I would be OK serving by or near a French unit.
Comparisons between the two:
>both drink
>French actually played good music, the Germans played horrible radio/pop/whatever hits
>Germans would never exercise (French would come out and would do runs and drills with us)
I know a lot of people think the French are snobby or rude or whatever, but hanging out with them was fun.
I personally think the German military exists simply to look like they are doing something abroad and as an organization that companies can sell expensive gear to.
>>30270030
That did happen though, in the people get massacred every time.
>>30277024
That wasn't even me you fucking autist. I could tell you a lot more about standartized training, but you wouldn't understand it. You didn't even realize yet that it doesn't fucking matter if your army is full of autistic Germans like you, or professional American soldiers. Not if the matter of discussion is if islamists could learn how to operate arms and explosives. And that's NATO training standard among all member armies. Learning to operate the same kind of equipment and using the same tactics.
>>30277077
Happened before, the problem is communication. There has to be only one problem with that, and recon doesn't know an ISIS position has just been taken by friendlies. They see people running around in enemy positions, and order an attack. Almost unevitable from time to time, unlike friendly fire among professional military allies. Fucking militia wars.
>>30277006
That was a metaphor, stupid.
>>30277467
>
That wasn't even me you fucking autist. I could tell you a lot more about standartized training, but you wouldn't understand it. You didn't even realize yet that it doesn't fucking matter if your army is full of autistic Germans like you, or professional American soldiers. Not if the matter of discussion is if islamists could learn how to operate arms and explosives. And that's NATO training standard among all member armies. Learning to operate the same kind of equipment and using the same tactics.
This is a pile of BS. NATO and most wargame friendly training exercises are for political show only.
>>30277467
>That was a metaphor, stupid.
It was a bad one, then, that made little sense and contributed nothing.
Well, fuck, I had a good laugh reading you guys discussing about the German army. Talking about that, I read somewhere that German Special forces have arrived into Manbij area,to assist the SDF/YPG. Dunno if is true or not.
Closing reports of the day:
- After the Rebels had claimed the capture of Zaytan and Khalasah in South Aleppo, the pro SAA sources reported the recapture of Zaytan and reppeling the Rebel from Khalasah, denying that the rebels had totally captured Khalasah in the first place. Lots of ATGM strikes from both sides.
Heres a Sham Legion video from south Aleppo today, the second one is from Jaish Al-Fateh;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCGii9WJrLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PXwWUPuy4E
- In East Ghouta, after the initial SAA attacks early today, some hours ago reports appeared that the Rebels are now attacking the south areas of the pocket, taking some positions, their claim, and killing one SAA commander; Brigadier Abdul Aziz Saqer.
In Latakia, it seems that previous reports of the SAA withdrawing from some of the hills they captured near Kabani, are true, but they are still near the city. There is also reports that the SAA lost one officer and 20 soldiers in the area.
To finish this up, Bosnjo, a good twitter source, reported that elements from the "New Syrian Army", the guys that want to revive the old concept of the FSA and are led by SAA defectors officers, arrived in 6 villages of North Aleppo.
The image are Hungarian 42/48M stick grenades that the NDF captured from Rebels near Suweyda.
>>30275773
>Almost 90% of German muslims are Turks
This isn't even close to accurate. Are you just pulling things out of your ass?
>>30277576
It's obvious by now that he's either a troll or an armchair general.
Turks will lose their status as the majority Muslim group in Germany in a few years. It's been declining since at least 10 years.
There is already conflict between Turks and the incoming Muslim groups.
Oh the joys of diversity.
>>30275901
>Erdogan
>They feel more free now
my
sides
please help
>>30277576
It's around 70%. Not that a big difference.
>>30277615
>Turks will lose their status as the majority Muslim group in Germany in a few years
It's obvious by now you're retarded.
>>30277647
That's a fucking fact you idiot. What do you think is the reason for Erdogan getting more than 50% of votes.
Before Erdogan, it was a fucking military dictatorship. How about you read some shit about Turkey before you start shitposting.
>>30277576
>>30277615
>72%
>almost loosing status as majority of muslims
>kek
>>30277647
He's starting to loose some votes, but he's still by far favorized by the majority of Turks. One of the reasons is because he's the first Turkish president to encourage Islam.
He's getting more and more authoritarian since a few years, that's why some people start to vote against him. But he's still not nearly as bad as the military junta.
>>30277677
You can't even read a pie graph correctly. Go back to elementary school or whatever you have in your country, man. That's obviously close to 60%.
Also, if "Turkei" means "Turkey" (as I'm sure it does), it doesn't even include Kurds who hold Turkish passports.
Turks are at highest just over 60% of the Muslim population (which was confirmed by doing what was seriously just a 30 second online search) and at lowest around 50% if you exclude Kurds.
And 70% isn't anywhere close to 90%. You are mathematically illiterate.
>>30273014
He was killed in 2014, 2015, and 642 according to the last 82862616161625363 "confirmed" reports.
>The large majority of Muslims in Germany are of Turkish origin (63.2%)
According to a study by Georgetown University.
>>30277785
>And 70% isn't anywhere close to 90%. You are mathematically illiterate
It's still the absolute majority, i didn't say it's close to 90%.
>Also, if "Turkei" means "Turkey" (as I'm sure it does), it doesn't even include Kurds who hold Turkish passports
They're still from the same secular country you idiot. That's the point.
>>30277677
The graph doesn't even include Kurds. A huge chunk of "Turkish" nationals in Germany are Kurds. Close to 1 million. Why else do you think protests between the two groups always turn into such a shitfest? Look at Frankfurt's recent all-out fucking race war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKxIaPdb9Mc
That same day they were running each other over in random parts of the country.
Animals, all of them.
>>30277677
>It's around 70%. Not that a big difference.
anon im sorry you have to take the short bus
>>30277868
We were talking about Muslims from Turkey being less islamist in general, than Muslims from Arabic countries.
There's a lot more minorities in Turkey then you might think, Laz, Cherkez, Kurds, and some more. But that shit doesn't matter. If they are muslims and from Turkey. That's what this was about.
We're not talking about the ethnic heritage, we're talking about Muslims from Turkey. The graph doesn't even say "Turks", it says "Turkey". Because it's about where they come from, not what ethnicity they have.
>>30277868
I've seen this vid before. Everyone - go to exactly 38 seconds. The next few seconds are hilarious.
>>30277704
>What do you think is the reason for Erdogan getting more than 50% of votes.
IDK. Probably like all the other "democratically elected leaders" in the Middle East. ;)
>>30277878
At least i'm intelligent enough to realize the important point is still true. They are by far the absolute majority. But keep shitposting about the diversity of muslims in Germany. And the huuuuuge impact on the issue of Turkish islam school muslims being the majority in Germany.
>>30277897
>Because it's about where they come from, not what ethnicity they have.
Yeah sure. It's not about what ethnicity they have.. That's why Turks and Kurds kill each other all the time and eastern Turkey is a warzone.
>>30277897
Call a Kurd a Turk and see how far that goes
>>30277906
>;)
I fucking hate Europeans, what's up with your gay ass emoticons
>Probably like all the other "democratically elected leaders" in the Middle East
how about you start actually reading some shit on the difference between Turkey/Israel and other middle eastern states you fucking autist. Your stupid assumptions are nothing more than that.
>>30277920
>>30277936
No, Turks and PKK kill each other. Don't act like you know shit about Turkey. Read about Kurds in Erdogan's AKP, there's even Kurdish AKP ministers.
But that shit doesn't even matter, we're talking about muslims and islamists in Europe.
>>30277920
did you even read the post you're referring to?
>>30246279
when did iran get minigunz
what did I miss?
>>30277897
Not only are you stupid for aruging with a very obvious troll, but you are really ignorant of how different Kurds and Turks perceive each other. Just because they are from the "same country" means nothing. There are historical Turks outside of Turkey and large Kurdish populations outside of Turkey, to boot.
Reminder:
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-germany-warns-mps-with-turkish-roots-against-travel-to-turkey-reports-2222545
http://www.dw.com/en/author-deniz-utlu-erdogans-call-for-a-blood-test-is-simply-lunacy/a-19319192
"President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused German parliamentarians of Turkish heritage of aiding and abetting the PKK, the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party seeking an independent Kurdish state. He also expressed doubt about the true ethnicity of Bundestag representatives with Turkish roots and suggested that they take a blood test. "
>>30278048
We're talking about religion. Muslims from Turkey visit the same mosques. They learn in the same schools. They share the same view on islam. That's why ethnicity doesn't matter on this particular topic.
>>30278044
you missed that there's similiar designs in other countries. that shit is made in Iran.
>>30277897
>not what ethnicity they have.
back 2 reddit
>>30278087
That's only in the western and coastal metro areas. The further east you go the bigger the gap. Far east kurds cant even speak Turkish properly
>>30277918
>hey are by far the absolute majority
Sligtly over 60% isnt an absolute majority.
>>30277936
Seconding this.
>>30278126
>Far east kurds cant even speak Turkish properly
No, they can't speak Kurdish properly. Because it's been illegal for them to speak Kurdish untill the late 90s. Since 1923.
>>30277944
You are dumb enough to keep arguing with an obvious troll.
And sadly, I agree more with the troll than you.
>>30278138
>>30246279
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640726/ISIS-leader-Abu-Bakr-al-Baghdadi-killed-air-strike-Raqqa-according-pro-Islamic-State-news-agency.html
Seems like it's true. Al-Bagdhadi is dead.
>>30277868
They remind me of Easterlings or Haradrim.
Disgusting.
>>30260470
M48 and oldest M60 variants are used mainly as emplaced guns in the remote and numerous mountain bases.
They wont do too much good in a tank fight but a tank shell flying towards you is still a tank shell flying towards you.
Turks are "moderate" Muslims. Which, by Western standards, means "still barbaric".
Check out opinion polls on crime and punishment in Turkey. They're still screwed up in the head.
>>30277944
>I fucking hate Europeans
Fuck you, too, burger.
>>30276142
>Ukranians in the Bundeswehr
There are like no Ukrainians in Germany and those that we have basically live inside the Russian communities, speak Russian all the time, and have Russian friends and family.
There's not enough to make up any sizable portion in the BW and not anywhere near enough to go AWOL in large numbers and somehow go to "fight for Ukraine".
>>30278413
>that we have
>we
Fuck off, Klaus
>>30266952
Spotted the kurd
You can throw around as many abbreviation as you like,
You drag down turkeys east, put it in ruins, and you do the same to iraqs north and syrias north
>>30278481
>You drag down turkeys east, put it in ruins
No, that would be your army's ham-fisted attempts to deny turf to the PKK.
>and you do the same to iraqs north and syrias north
Those little Kurdistans are the only livable places in the Middle East outside of Israel.
Don't you have some Armenians to rape or something...?
>>30267211
Turk here
I hope with all your guys bitching at the west and how oh so bad the turkish state is (whose welfare you recieve and electricity you steal, and safety you life off) i hope you go to your homelands and see what a shitty state is.
Either that or i hope that your cries actually be a reality, and we start bombing the shit out of you fucking disease of a people.
You might fool the west right now with your wannabe secularism and muh wymyn fighters but we know about Kurds who have 5 wives each (3 of them their own cousins)
West will drop you like they dropped you before scumbags
>>30278481
>You drag down turkeys east, put it in ruins, and you do the same to iraqs north and syrias north
>iraqs north
Fuck off, Turkroach
>>30277563
Thanks R.
Might as well start a new thread, this is nothing but /pol/ shitposting now.
>>30278516
>and safety you life off
I'm sure Kurds thank you guys for protecting them from life
>>30278518
Hewler is a great place desu
>>30278505
You fuckers cant even hold turf, what the fuck are you on?
>Don't you have some Armenians to rape or something...?
weak ass meme
>>30278518
Wow dude great city.
All those houses are financed with european drug trades :^)
>>30278584
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
imho we should be even more resolute.
Back in the 90ies we just flattened any mountain dog village with 203ies when a fight broke out, that was when the conflict was most intense (until now)
>>30278627
Keep spitting your propaganda shit Turkroach, you're not fooling anyone
STOP BUMPING THE THREAD WITH YOUR AUTISTIC BULLSHIT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES
>>30278627
>financed with european drug trades
So Kurds are the ones supplying me with weed
Got to thank those folks, good to know i'm financing some nice skycrappers and helping the roaches' arch enemy
>>30278644
keep being a ypg cuck on 4chan, spreading your epic images, your only fooling easily impressed /pol/tards
at the end of the day no matter what you do, in your passport it states republic of TURKEY.
Your people are like gypsies with a worse moral compass.
be glad that the little ass kisser erdogan snuggled up to you guys so much.
>>30278660
Not only weed, my dear junkie
>>30278657
blame the fucking Germans and their Turkroach friends, reading the last 125 posts i come to the conclusion they're the ones always causing this shitposting madness
>>30278685
>this triggers the roach
just by the way, /pol/ack scum hates Kurds just as much as Turks
Bijî Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan, Her Bijî Serok Apo
>>30278722
>/pol/ack scum hates Kurds
But that's wrong
>>30278627
you're not going to find any friends around here, /k/ knows who the real operators are. The Kurds and the Armenians are pretty incredible people. Everyone knows where the truks hang the scale of humanity.
>bottom of the toilet bowl
>>30278685
>easily impressed
> /pol/
nothing about /pol/ is easy so just stop, you can't make the turkey look any worse, but you can make yourself worse and worse.
