Any Swissfag here?
I just put some money aside to buy myself a new semi auto rifle. Unfortunately these news about the EU and how they will force Switzerland to adopt the semi auto ban, has made me wonder if buying guns right now would mean that I would have them confiscated in the future.
Should we still be buying guns in Switzerland after these recent news?
This will not go through at the parliement. Write to your respresentztives
>>30245776
We don't have representatives in the EU.
We have to adopt the laws because we of that shit Schengen bullshit.
>>30245750
Buy them. Even if the laws change, the tyrants will have to pry it from your cold dead hands. Advice from a Pvt. in the swiss armed forces. (I wont be the one prying).
>>30245750
please delete this image, it perpetuates the narrative that areas with heavy firearm restrictions have fewer gun-related homicides
also DD furniture looks like ass
also guns are easier to kill with, otherwise every army in the world would focus primarily on knife combat
also politics threads go on /pol/
>>30245827
>should i buy a gun
>politics
Remove thyself statist
>>30245785
>We don't have representatives in the EU.
Yes you fucking do
You have representatives from each canton that you can contact
>>30245785
>Schengen
Stop
Spreading
This
Stupid
Meme
Give more k31s and STGW 57s now pls
>>30245827
i know you may have trouble understanding this, but the topic of discussion in threads is dictated by what text is written in the OP, not by what picture he/it has posted.
>>30245750
The ban will only stop you from buying new rifles
>>30245776
This will not get voted. Please learn to read. Schengen accords are already signed, we're forced to comply
>>30245930
It's not a meme dumbfuck
>>30246325
No the immigration law was something particular to Switzerland. It was not a vote for EU laws.
You would know if your were Swiss
>>30245750
Swiss fag here.
I will bought a K31 next week that I have reserved a few days ago. I will probably bought an AK in a few next months. I don't care of their fucking law. They will never take my weapons and my military service rifle. They will have to storm my house with einsatzkommando gruppen/groupe d'intervention and kill me to take it. It's my right as a swiss citizen to be armed and it is in the constitution of our country. I rader die instead of living like a cuck fucked by a foreign authority.
Buy your gun and keep it. If every swiss refuses to give his guns what are they gonna do? I'm not even sure the police will want to apply this law. Police members are part of the biggest shooters in this country.
But move your ass if you want to change this. For now what you can do is write letters to your deputes (of your town and canton) and to the Federal Council. Threaten them to note vote anymore for them if they let pass this law. Mobilise people around you.
Go to your shooting range and ask what you can do.
Go see guns associations like "ProTell".
And for the futur. Try to convince people around you to not vote anymore for party like The Green (ecologists) or the Swiss Socialist Party (maybe you can even convince them to vote SVP/UDC). These two parties take order from Brussel and their european clones and have clearly written in their program the ban of guns and the suppression of the army. They are dangerous.
This law isn't only a gun ban. It's an interference in our internal and defense policy. This is very serious. If we accept this, the EU will impose more and more anti-liberty laws to the Swiss folk and we will be muzzle.
Even if you're for a gun ban you shouldn't accept that. If a gun ban law must be established it must done by the Swiss for the Swiss and not be an international diktat.
Fuck this Law.
Fuck the cucks from our country who will kneel in front of the european invasion.
Fuck Brussel and fuck Europe.
>>30246415
I specify that I'm not even a pro-SVP/UDC. But situations like give me (us) no choice to vote for the only who will defend our liberties.
>>30245930
This is not a meme you fucking mongrel. It is because of Schengen that we theoretically are forced to accept this law and many other european shits.
>>30245750
Like other anons said, buy your guns.
The law has not passed the EU parliament, which is against more restrictive gun laws. Also, the law project clearly says that countries are free to make exceptions for cultural reason. Guns are part of Swiss culture. Finally, the Schengen treaty might be cancelled, more or less at any time. There's the against mass immigration initiative that still has to get enforced, and an initiative saying that Swiss laws come before foreign laws that will come soon.
In any case shooters must mobilize and show their power in the ballots.
>>30246322
>>30246437
Yes it is a meme because it does not force your fucking hands
Schengen DOES NOT force you to change your laws
>>30247956
I think you misunderstand. While you are correct about Schengen being purely a trade agreement, the EU is trying to use the threat of cancelling the Schengen agreement to force the swiss to take up the law.
>>30246415
French fag here but I may move to fun land if they try to push it in ALSACE let's list it
> mag fed semi auto rifles (other than 2+)
can be enforced, cat B holders are pussies and you don't own the gun anyway so either they gave them monies or exemption authorisation (like they did with pumps) before a certain date.
>Cat D now become cat C (ie you need to declare and hold a hunter/shooter card, wich is unobtainium in any decent sized city)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
-3+ milions of pre 2011 freely sold and traded SxS O/U
-2+ milions of cap and ball replica since the 70ies
-8+milions of air rifles
-at least 5+ milions of airsofts
-1million paintballs
-3+ millions blank guns
6+ (??) millions deact or battlefield dug, rust bloc grade guns.
-a little under half a million of 1860/1900 metallic cartridges antiques from spencer rifles to first gen SAA/colt new navy/s&w russian that are in the 1k€ range for a rusty one.
No collector license still
No way to make thoses people join a range/hunt club
No way to seize said guns
a thousand job gone (not an issue here of course)
Most of gun owner are army/gendarmerie/police/fudds
Most of gun collectors are rich fucks (I am)
Tell me this can be enforced ....
>>30248003
>the EU is trying to use the threat of cancelling the Schengen agreement to force the swiss to take up the law.
To me that doesn't seem like a problem to Switzerland at all
Yeah they'd have to set up a border again, but what the fuck does it matter to them?
>>30248044
something something like....
Imports?
trade?
Of and let's face in for the swiss the EU lawmaking is simply Benelux lap dog.
Most of the anti tax avoidment laws and international subcontract legislation passed by EU is made to destroy swiss financial groups.
>>30248102
Seems to me if Switzerland just booted everyone out, closed it's borders, and told them to get fucked, they'd be perfectly fine
Hell, foreigners cause the most crime
>>30247956
Please read some infos before talking
>>30248241
That is literally saying "do dis swissland"
And all Switzerland has to say is
>no
>>30248102
Yep, and they're not having much success with that so they're trying to ruin them externally as well.
If Swiss-bros repeal this I hope they create mercenary groups again, that would be tacticool.
>>30247956
You should inform yourself mate: this gun law is made into the Schengen accords which means they're forced to comply given they already signed them
>>30248279
But Switzerland can't
>>30248319
>But Switzerland can't
You have this fucked up sense of what someone can and can't do
There are no rules that they HAVE to abide by
They can literally tell them to shove it up their smarmy asses and walk away
>>30248336
The gun law is in the Shengen treaty they already signed. It can't say "no"
>>30248356
>The gun law is in the Shengen treaty they already signed. It can't say "no"
>no one has ever broken a treaty
>ever
>>30246415
>>30246415
This is for nothing, even your army is shit, you will have to accept the EU law!
>>30248513
Well of course the swiss army doesn't equal the US one, it's a militia army not a full time army.
>>30245827
your graph is more misleading, there are also very few car deaths where there are no cars.
>>30248305
they're not forced to comply. It's a directive not an order. If a member state chooses not to comply they are welcome to just say "no".
It's like us. Just cause cali has retarded gunlaws doesn't mean texas does
>>30245827
>gun deaths
>>30245827
>Gun murders
Australia has the highest gun murder rate to the point of almost genocide
Haven't you seen those mass graves?
>>30249054
US system and Switzerland system is the same, I know how it works.
Sadly that's not how it works in the EU/Schengen Area
>>30245930
>>30247956
>>30248336
>>30249054
Some should read how the Schengen accords work before writing something down
Also they even made a special paragraph to remind Switzerland that they have to comply >>30248241
>>30247472
Exception has been made in it for the SIG 550 of the swiss army though
In worst case, swiss will get out of Schengen law.
>>30248513
The only thing that we'll accept is your money you poor cock sucking faggot.
>>30250939
Didn't the Swiss say fuck you to EU threats about Schengen with an immigration law before? Like 5 years ago?
Why can't Switzerland just say fuck you, EU?
>>30248288
I'll be volunteer to fuck up the EU.
>>30248102
That's not new. The EU is trying by every way to destroy Switzerland and oblige us to join their fucking Europe.
But hell no. That will never happen. I hate so fucking much the EU and this disgusting cucked continent. I wish Switzerland was an island in the middle of the Pacific.
>>30251044
Yes, hence why Schengen is a meme
>>30251079
They can, people here are fucking stupid
>>30245750
god damn that image is fucking retarded
>>30251044
the people did. Still waiting on the government enacting that decision. This is what happens when your leaders are pussies. What was it? Lions lead by sheep.
>>30251084
So the non-communist version of Thomas More's Utopia. I like that idea, we just need to build a wall around the border and flood the rest of Europe in a cleansing wave.
>>30251344
There's already a wall, it's called mountains
>>30251344
>>30251473
Mountains isn't sufficient. We need a wall with our mountains. A big beautiful wall with our big beautiful mountains.
>>30245827
Those numbers were always hilarious to me.
Cut out the 2/3rds for suicides
Cut out the 1/4th for gang violence
And the US comes out at .3
>>30249439
We don't give a shit about the exception for Swiss ordinance guns. We want all guns, no medical checks, no magazine restrictions, no nothing!
>>30251743
If the red is supposed to be the mountains, it's missing some
Also, just as a reminder. What got voted is not a law, but a proposition, which still has to be accepted by the European Parliament.
>>30251743
WOrked out great for France in WWII too.
oh wait....
>>30245819
I as a sergeant would disobey this order too (although it is unlikely that i would even be given this order)
>>30245750
As for you OP, do it
>>30249639
>worst case
besides the economy crying around, i don't see this as a bad point
>>30251881
exactly
>>30251881
We'd still get all guns, except semi auto that aren't sport ones or ordinance
>>30251881
Exactly
>>30252442
>except semi auto that aren't sport ones or ordinance
Yeah.. FUCK THAT. All guns or nothing. We will not settle for a few crumbs. We'll get out of Schengen if necessary.
>>30252547
I'm all against this bullshit gun law but mate you can't even use your AK or AR15 here so why does it even matter?
>>30251881
this man got the point!
>>30246437
>It is because of Schengen that we theoretically are forced to accept this law and many other european shits.
>theoretically
There you have it. Your country controls a lot of cash and valuables from the EU. Your country has every right to give them the finger and tell them to fuck off. And if they threatened to cut trade from you, freeze their assets and lock away access of their valuables. As Nathan Rothschild said:
>The Man who controls Britain's money supply, controls the British Empire. And I control the British Empire.
Your country has one of the biggest influences in the EU Monetary Union. Cut them their fundings if they dare cut your trade.
>>30252616
What? Why couldn't we use AK or AR15 here? The fuck you're saying?
as someone who lived in switzerland for years, there is something i never understood was the pathetic weakness that the swiss display on the european stage.
>we can't do anything thing because we are small
>we caaaaaaant
>country is the north-south east-west axis
>it's the strategic heart of europe
>it's why you even exist in the first place
the EU says anything and you can lay down a hurting on half the EU without even reaching for your sig 550s
>EU says bad switzerland?
>switzerland says, no cargo transport for you DE, NL, ITA, FR, AT for the next week
and another thing
>why you didnt let the CHF go through the roof and then buy half of europe instead of bleeding yourself buying euros to keep the cheese makers happy i will never understand
as this has now gone completely off topic, here is a picture i took in may this year. Tram 11 (public transport for you burgers) just before Basel SBB (main station). older guy going to the range. no one even blinks.
>>30254084
Switzerland is starting to suffer from the same problem as most of the other smaller EU countries have for years.
The local politicians are eager to suck up to EU since it means they might have a cozy little office waiting for them after they eventually stop being elected in the nationals.
A lot of the decisions are steamrolled thru by the major nations which hold most of the seats in the parliament and that means that the small ones' dont really get anything good coming their way.
Honestly, my country has less autonomy now under the EU than it had in the 19th century under the Russian Tsar. Kind of depressing how the slimy politicians achieved something that the Red Army failed to, which was to sell our independence away.
>>30254084
> no one even blinks
I wish something like that would be possible in europe...
>>30254575
I think that it is possible in countries like Finland, Austria, Sweden. But not sure of that..
>>30251743
TRUMP
R
U
M
P
Honesty don't though, I wouldn't wish that faggot on a good country like yours or the U.S.A. Have him go be the king of china or something.
>>30254947
never seen it in austria. dont know about the scandis
>>30255032
Do you prefer Hillary?
>>30255125
How does works the militia? Do the soldiers take their rifles at home like in Switzerland?
>>30253677
AK and AR are no go in ranges unless you know the owner or the president of the shooting club that runs the range.
>>30258372
Yes in the official (range associate to the government) ones you only can shoot with K31 / Sig 510 / Sig 550 / Luger / Sig p210 / Sig p220 / Sig p229 / Sig sp2022 (that still a pretty good list). But in private range you can shoot with everything you want.
>>30258431
and that is why we need more of those
The Waffenbörse in Pfungen is currently building one and the Swiss Shooting Range plans to expand in autumn
>>30254947
> maybe in Austria
> Austria
> http://www.heute.at/news/oesterreich/wien/Cobra-Einsatz-in-Kino-Bewaffneter-war-Justizwachebeamte;art23652,1269946
very realted
> be Justizwachebeamter
> have carry license
> want to protect the people after paris
> open carry my pistol
> want to watch a movie
> HESGOTAGUN.jpg
> police comes
> I´m allowed to carry, so fuck off
> police fucks off
> everyone is happy
yeah, we have to many cucks here
>>30258571
Do you know why only military weapons are allowed in official ranges?
>>30258774
Because they're the only one allowed for sport shooting competitions
>>30258774
yes and that is why we need more private ranges,
to use our non-Ordonannz weapons
>>30245750
I wonder what is the glorious Eurocuck Union going to do with those ~300k weapons owned by Czechs alone (mainly milsurp semi-auto VZ58, some ARs and a few AKs, cause the VZ58 used to be cheaper than dirt back in the last year - some 270€), that should be banned. Most of them will probably become "lost" or "stolen".
>>30258845
And by 300k I mean only those which should become restricted. FFS there are like 800k weapons in 10mil Czech republic.
There's a shop selling an ex army STgw 90 for 850 CHF that is supposedly good enough for 53-57 points at 300 m shooting.
Should I get it?
>>30259188
Could be a good deal if it's in good shape. Just so you know, you'd have to change the barrel and it costs 900 CHF
>>30259191
It's in rough shape though.
I will just buy another random 5.56 rifle then.
>>30259188
I don't think that you will have a good stgw90 for 850CHF
>>30259195
With the barrel replacement it would still be half the price of a new one. It's up to you to decide if it's worth the price
>>30259265
Well given that you can keep your ordinance one for 100 CHF, and if the soldier has taken good care of it you could get one un good shape for 850.-
>>30259188
53-57 points on what target and with how many bullets? Because it has no fucking sens whatsoever without this indications
>>30245827
>also politics threads go on /pol/
Kill yourself.
>hurr durr gun laws and politics aren't weapons related
>>30254084
>switzerland says, no cargo transport for you DE, NL, ITA, FR, AT for the next week
Oh no they would have to drive around the mountain. What a drag. Meanwhile have fun with starving on your fucking rock.
>>30251879
You could do the same math with the other counties as well. The rate in in US is still ridiculous.
What are export laws in Switzerland concerning shipping random gun shit to people in the US?
Would it be feasible to find either a store or anon that would ship some miscellaneous shit to someone in America? Got a nice stgw 57 in the works but trying to find any of the small replacement parts/accessories is an absolute bitch in the states
I am still waiting for my Swiss Citizenship to get my gun license.
MFW it will have to wait another 5-6 Months by then the law is passed.
But at least i can take my service gun home r-right?
>>30261650
>The rate in in US is still ridiculous.
Source: FBI.gov
Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, and Race, 2011
White 4,729
Black 5,486
Other 256
Unknown 4077
Expanded Homicide Data Table 11
Murder Circumstances
by Weapon, 2011
Total: 12,664
Total firearms: 8583
Handguns: 6220
Rifles: 323
Shotguns: 356
Knives or cutting instruments: 1694
Personal weapons (hands/feet): 726
You do the math.
>>30254084
>switzerland says, no cargo transport for you DE, NL, ITA, FR, AT for the next week
And loses all of its credibility.
>there is something i never understood was the pathetic weakness that the swiss display on the european stage.
Because if you had lived there for any length of time and actually had your eyes open, you would have discovered that they're completely devoid of culture, drive and emotion.
It's a large bank and a private hospital that made a country. It's a stain of a place.
>>30258431
you have forgotten Glock
>>30262045
>Total firearms: 8583
>Handguns: 6220
>Rifles: 323
>Shotguns: 356
I am doing the math, and the math isnt adding up
>>30258431
Actually for the gun part, you can use any 9mm ones like a Glock 17
>>30262043
You don't need Swiss citizenship to own guns unless you come from certain shitholes at war.
>>30259330
I have no idea.
It just says "LAUF STAR - 53-57 PUNKTE"
The guy told me that it's still decent for 300 m shooting but that I shouldn't expect a good performance compared to new guns.
>>30254947
Finland can confirm that nobody blinks
Pic related can only happen in countryside, otherwise it has to be in a bag
Knives are actually heavily restricted in nearly every country, at least officially
>>30262685
>knives
>having anything to do with gun ban
>>30262685
I can literally walk to my closest hardware store and buy all the knives if i had the money to do so.
>>30262685
Sure
>>30262685
Butterflyknives and spring loaded knives are illegal in switzerland (Verbotene Waffen = you need a special permit)
but i don't care much for knives anyway
>>30263810
It's called a balisong
