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Lets talk about African"armies"
Alien Space Bats send you back in time to May 1967 and drop you into the rebel Republic of Biafra, where you are required to aid them in their war of independence from Nigeria.
What do you do?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biafra
>>30244639
'nuff said
>>30244689
>>30244689
>Alien Space Bats
I get that reference.
>>30244701
http://napoleon130.tripod.com/id307.html
Douglas A/B-26 Invader
Biafran Invaders
In May 1967 the Eastern Region of Nigeria seceded from the Federation and proclaimed itself the Republic of Biafra with Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu as its head of state. For the next thirty three months a bloody civil war ensued which, it is estimated, cost the lives of two million people.
Whilst much of the conflict took place on the ground both sides mounted air offensives although such events did little to change the course of the war. The Federal Nigerian Air Force was comparatively well equipped with combat aircraft including several MiG-17 fighters, some L-29 jet trainers and six Ilyushin Il-28 jet bombers, all flown by mercenary crews.
For Biafra however, the situation was different. Isolated both geographically and politically she was unable to obtain aircraft by conventional means and had to rely on the often shady world of the arms dealer and, as a result, came to operate a somewhat motley collection of aircraft. Her two A-26 Invaders were perhaps the most interesting. The stories of how they were obtained almost make a thriller novel!
>>30244725
>>30244751
>>30244765
>>30244777
>>30244689
>>30244701
>>30244725
gonna be honest Biafra sounds pretty based
the major reason they lost this war appears to have been that the Nigerians just straight up starved them out until they got tired of watching their children die and surrendered
establishing a way to get food into the country would be a priority, as would maintaining control of the oil production. The latter could probably lead to the former
This is interesting. /k/, let's fucking talk about this shit.
>>30244639
Anyone got that copypasta as to why African nations love airborne units?
>>30244789
>the major reason they lost this war appears to have been that the Nigerians just straight up starved them out
Perfidious Albion helped (heavily Muslim) Nigeria put down the rebellion in oil rich (heavily Christian) Biafra.
I tried getting a what-if going in another forum where the fellow rebellious and formerly British colony of Rhodesia, forms an alliance with Biafra and they both end up winning.
>>30244789
How was Biafra unable to feed itself? was Nigeria that well equipped to stop fishermen and farmers while contested with the Biafran forces?
>>30244689
Was it Space Bat Angel Dragon?
Also, I go Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner on those motherfuckers except for the last part.
Fuck the Dutch, goddamn van Owen.
>>30244700
that was in mali right, they expended all of their ammunition trying to kill two snipers, the french army had to come bail them out after their brdm broke down and their command chain was killed
it was like watching a benny hill show, i'd show it to recruits but we're not allowed to make fun of other armed forces anymore.
>>30244832
The Biafrans managed to set up a small yet effective air force. The BAF commanders were Chude Sokey and later Godwin Ezeilo, who had trained with the Royal Canadian Air Force.[24] Early inventory included two B-25 Mitchells, one B-26 Invader (piloted by Polish WWII ace Jan Zumbach, known also as John Brown), a converted DC-3 and one Dove. In 1968 the Swedish pilot Carl Gustaf von Rosen suggested the MiniCOIN project to General Ojukwu. By the spring of 1969, Biafra had assembled five MFI-9Bs in Gabon, calling them "Biafra Babies". They were coloured green, were able to carry six 68 mm anti-armour rockets under each wing and had simple sights. The six aeroplanes were flown by three Swedish pilots and three Biafran pilots. In September 1969, Biafra acquired four ex-Armee de l'Air North American T-6Gs, which were flown to Biafra the following month, with another aircraft lost on the ferry flight. These aircraft flew missions until January 1970 and were flown by Portuguese ex-military pilots.[24]
>>30244832
>Rhodesia
It's a cute thought but even if they were inclined to help one another there was as much distance between them as there is between Canada and Mexico.
>>30244850
Small population fighting off larger population, who the British were helping.
>>30244874
Both Biafra and Rhodesia are English speaking, Christian, formerly British colonies but I'll admit I'm not hip to any particular Biafran ideology, beyond seeking a predominantly Igbo state and being anti-Muslim, anti-British and anti-Communist.
Biafra was something of a cause celebre at the time, (John Lennon would return his OBE medal over Brit support for Nigeria and apparently there was a benefit concert held in NYC which included Jimi Hendrix) yet got very little actual help from anybody and I suspect would take whatever support it could get, regardless of the politics.
For Rhodesia, Biafra's oil would be of benefit but mostly I was thinking they would spin it as something of an "Alliance of Little African Countries" and a way to side-track complaints over their white minority rule policy.
Maybe Eritrea can be brought on board, as they were (from 1961) duking it out with Ethiopia?
There's that, but the Biafrans did get some help from a handful of Europeans mercenaries and the Nigerians were pretty incompetent, so a few Rhodesian instructors and weapons, might change the tide?
Maybe as part of the propaganda campaign, there's a drive to recruit Black-American veterans of the Vietnam War ("Save Mother Africa!")?
>>30244725
Well, how did they get them?
>>30244922
I mean just on a logistical standpoint. It'd be hard for them to physically aid one another, like Biafra trading oil to Rhodesia for food or something.
They'd have to go through bat country to get shit done.
>>30244901
>serbian telecom company that doesn't work in telecoms
fucking neato
>>30244944
Shady black market deals.
>>30244946
>I mean just on a logistical standpoint.
Sure, I was focused on the political aspect; Biafra and Rhodesia (and maybe Eritrea) present themselves on the world stage and scrappy good guys of Africa resisting big bad guys back by foreign powers, possibly getting Israel and Taiwan to help out in exchange for resources, etc.
>>30245064
http://igbofocus.co.uk/The-Biafran-War/the-biafran-war.html
>>30244861
Definitely. Van Owen and the rest can suck it.
Get a couple Thompson Gunners and go to town.
>>30244639
They're diamond dogs not welfare nignogs.
>>30244832
>what-if
>>30245335
>>30245342
"So he set off for biafra, to join the bloody fra"
>>30244901
Normally I would scroll by so thing that big.. but it was 100% worth the read.
>TFW. I will never do an actual combat jump....
>>30245633
Every once in a while anon can surprise you. That's one of my favorite /k/ history lessons right behind the profile of that one super successful Hamas terrorist.
>>30244865
>but we're not allowed to make fun of other armed forces anymore.
Gotta love that progressive bullshit
>>30245704
Not really related to the thread, but got a screencap of that?
>>30245762
bumping for this
Somalia
>>30246003
>>30244639
Based desert romanians
>>30246116
>t. Chad
>>30246007
I assume these are Iraq War Surplus.
>>30246181
Nah they were donated by UAE.
Turkey, China and Japan also provides military assistance to Somalia (mostly security and logistical vehicles as well as training)
For the better tho. Somalia doesn't need MBTs or heavy artillery or fighter jets
>>30244901
Where can I learn more about based Rawanda?
>>30244901
We need more shit like this
It's a pure diamond
>>30244639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on9rVl77ixQ
Reminder that the African Union AMISOM force managed to stabilize Mogadishu while the American """""elite""""" Rangers and Special Forces ran away because their helicopter got shot down.
>>30244832
British author Frederick Forsyth spent time covering the Biafra War, and his accounts (in his biography, worth reading) of the whole affair from the 1950s and forward when independence was first suggested is not kind to the British government(s).
>>30244850
They lacked protein - previously, they imported dried fish from Norway to keep them in protein, animal husbandry in the region wasn't anywhere near enough to keep up the demand. The Nigerians blocked Biafra from importing this, and kept it up for 9 months. The results were that the national diet in Biafra consisted of 100% starch after the few pigs and hens had been eaten. This resulted in the famous pictures of children suffering from Kwashiorkor.
>>30246378
Dancing in the Glory of Monsters
Fuck I want to fight for freedom in Africa now
Speaking of Africa, you guys might find this cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnOTkGAgRos
>>30244639
Holy fuck, how did they get all of those m4a1 brightwaters?
>>30246535
tbf the rangers did not have armored vehicles and heavy machineguns in their chopper....
>>30244832
>Perfidious Albion helped
Edinburgh University's reenactment society?
I rather doubt it.
>>30246645
>sadivan.jpg
>>30244777
He's shooting at your trips
An interesting African army is the Eritrean army. It's basically an African Volkssturm numbering 570 000 soldiers according to Wikipedia, but I think it's much larger. I've heard of people as old as 80 (among the country's upper middle class) serve.
>>30244901
Man there really needs to be a current-Gen PC/Console game where you are basically the head of a private military contractor in control of a small African breakaway state in a war with a large neighbour.
Imagine it, you can deploy at any time as a soldier, take over mines and oil wells and resources to fund your military capability, train local forces and outfit them with whatever gear and camo you can afford, send them on missions which you can join in on as either a standard soldier and fight it out battlefield style or as a commander like those old medieval army games.
Shit would be cash.
>>30244639
Rhodesians were the best.
>>30247020
It is also a totalitarian regime. But an african one. Which means it's a huge pile of shit and everybody is joining yurop/
>>30244639
61 replies and no talk of the SANDF? So earlier this year I was at the annual SANDF week and parade. I shot a butt ton of photos and video.
Here is the parade video:
https://youtu.be/u0JLAAtHAMU
Here are the parade and demo photos:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipML9sZduANWrZrYxqbF6TdDRH1A6J_HDcm8zO5mLvclUaW7NRpwGnzwTG6-2ISihg?key=YUxBRlBiUGVOOHZoTUhueDNpSE4wMldTUVZtNVVR
Then, I've put together a Rhodesia playlist of historical video:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSM_02Uc6IUc1ad0MrcRaydJGsjZZf1CW
>>30247044
Honestly that would be pretty based. I have been playing moded Farcry 2 recently but it doesn't fill the void.
>>30244865
>not allowed to make fun of other armed forces
Show it to them and justify showing them by asking what they're doing wrong.
>>30247089
Frankly, a totalitarian regime would be better for plenty of african countries.
Democracy has worked and produced results only when there is an honest and effective government, which means a people smart enough to elect such a government. Remember, elected governments are only as good as people who choose them.
In fact, countries like Taiwan and South Korea have only became democratic in the last 20 years, when the majority of people are educated enough to see beyond populist and scare tactics of any political parties. Even China has better governance and social order compared to India (the so-called largest democracy on earth) even though they both came from the deepest shithole and both had suffered mass famine and untold millions of death in their modern history
In Africa, we could see how strongmen like Kagame have led his Rwanda from war-torn country who have just recovered from gebocide to one of shining beacon of africa, where corruption is low (lower than other asian countries like Thailand and even Taiwan), the streets are clean and orderly, the people are taken care of and the economy not just soared (almost 8 persent growth from 2006 to 2015, with a couple hiccups in '08), but also enjoyed by the people (instead of the elite few)
I think Somalia is also going to be another african country on the rise, because their leaders know their shit (including playing Machiavelli's realpolitik), the mass destruction caused by 20 years of lawlessness actually has helped in destroying all the decrepit buildings (and they could start anew), and despite being a shithole, Somalia is actually pretty wealthy (they are net exporter of food to middle east, gulf states and even to other african countries, they have strategic port, so much so that the turks and chinks are fighing over it) and large pool of relatively-educated youth. Once al-shabab is dealt with, we would see the country taking care of itself
>>30247151
South Africa, just like the Northern Africa nations, are usually seen as something apart from the rest of africa.
>>30247044
MGSV?
>>30247403
The Sahara really divides up the continent.
>>30247403
South Africa has an interesting military history.
The Voortrekkers whooped the shit out of the Zulus at the Battle of Blood River
The Boer Commandos managed to beat the British once, and make the second British invasion a questionable endeavor.
WWII saw some intentersing action in North and East Africa.
Then there is the Border War, and the backroom dealings with the Rhodesians and UNITA. The mixed use of military like police units, light infantry and armored units makes for a fascinating COIN and conventional warfare case study. Not to mention the Cuban involvement with the Angolans.
>>30246003
>>30246007
>somalia
>>30247168
this
>>30247571
What's the story behind this?
>>30248989
Top Al-shabaab member about to be turned into compost
>>30246535
The Rangers didn't come to stabilize Mogadishu and you know that.
here's a big album of Executive Outcomes stuff. Same guy also has a huge Rhodesia album and another one on the SADF
http://www.geardo.co.uk/stuff/eo/
>>30248989
He ate all their rations
>>30244718
Shouldn't you be off fighting the PPA?
>>30244655
>confederate flag shirt on one
Oh, the fucking irony.
>>30244639
>>30247571
Oh fuck is that detcord?
>>30251649
This dude on the left about to have a face that match his belly when he was a kid
>>30244655
That's a scene from a movie.
Africa is the only place I go that still surprises me. I first went there in the late 60s and I last went in 2010. Nothing much had changed.
It fascinates and sickens me at the same time. I have a few stories about the places I've been there, not much knife between the teeth stuff, but experiences regardless. I'll write some up if people are interested.
>>30252877
Go right ahead
>>30252877
Africa's a big place; which area were you in? Also, stories are always welcome.
>>30252921
Spanish Sahara, Morocco, Tunisia, Angola, South Africa, Kenya, Mozambique, Botswana, Namibia, Malawi, CAR and the DRC.
>>30252877
You mean you missed the whole decolonization think that happened between the 60's and the 80's? It went from a while ruled lower continent to single party black rule where corruption is the norm. I guess you had some really dark sunglasses and missed a lot of stuff.
![zb26_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XNgiCOm.jpg "zb26_2[1].jpg")
>>30244701
How the hell did he get a ZB 30
The only Armies in Africa, that you really can call an "Army".
Are North Africans. + South Africa.
Except that are just 12 year old militias with Aks
>>30252958
This is the main thing that hadn't changed.
Your average African couldn't care less who was in charge. They don't think about things that are happening next week. It's day to day, hour to hour stuff. It's why every company, aid organisation, government and international alliance that's attempted to make the place worked has failed.
>where corruption is the norm
Corruption was always the norm. It's the only way you get anything done.
South Africa was a better country in terms of its structure and efficiency when it had minority rule, but the daily life hasn't changed a bit.
>>30253001
In the 70's the Rand traded on par with the dollar, today it's 15 rand to the dollar. In the 70's the power stated on, now Eskom gave us the term "load shedding". In the 70's South Africa had two of the best universities in the world and on of the top medical schools, now a post '94 degree is worthless.
Yeah, people really do care who is in charge. If they didn't, the whites would still be in control of a thriving South Africa. But, the ANC is sinking the ship the whites built.
You're full of shit, you haven't been anywhere in Africa. That is fact.
>>30252978
Same way they got all their Vz. 58s. CZ had some big contracts in Africa
>>30246522
MY SIDES!!!!!
and you know they were only making noise cuz a camera crew was there
>>30246637
why do i feel like this is the aerial version of black lagoon
awesome
>>30244639
some of them seem to be actually trying, so there's that
>>30253098
White rule is the ONLY solution for Africa to equate to anything
>>30256666
Fuck off Satan. Most of Africa has their shit together now, but that doesn't make for good news or movies.
>>30247044
Jagged alliance 2 with 1.13 and a few other mods would fill that, but it's dated and isn't really "action" packed.
>>30251544
>implying he doesn't enslave black people and make them dig for diamonds, the cotton of the sahara
>>30256826
>Most of Africa has their shit together now
Well, relatively speaking. Zambia is doing alright for itself, but thats because they generally stayed out of everyone else's business for the past 20-30 years.
South Africa is experiencing all the growing pains of a slowly modernizing nation, IN ADDITION TO the horribly corrupt government. 2 decades of rule by the ANC has left the party and the government stagnant and decaying from the inside. Even that bleeding heart on an Archbishop, Desmond Tutu, said publicly that he can no longer support the ANC because of their complicity in violence and corruption scandals.
>>30251544
My older brother had that exact shirt when we were growing up.
>>30245335
>>30245342
>>30245349
dem some sexy ass exhaust valves
>>30244689
Leave for Rhodesia and prepare for the future
>>30256826
>Fuck off
Begone would have been funnier
Also assuming your white you know deep down you want to conquer Africa for that sweet sweet colonial glory
>>30245094
>is dat sum vz?
>>30245762
>>30245968
Hope y'all get to see this before the thread dies.
>>30257305
>>30257323
end
>>30255310
Africa is basically Wasted Potential: The Country
You constantly see small glimmers of hope surrounded by a sea of shit.
>>30246627
>mfw I just rented that from the Library today
Dis gon b gud. Reading about African Wars is all kinds of entertaining.
>>30246535
The Rangers and SF were there to grab a guy, not stay and stabilize the city.
>>30244689
>Biafra
Crazy fucking war right there. Read up on some of the mercs involved, some rather interesting characters.
Cool thread guys. Im new to /k/ and expected some nignog /pol/ tier bashing but this is really interesting.
>>30244700
oh god that second shot
>one guy has it sighted, but is spinning barrel in circles
>other two not even bothering to shoulder or aim the weapon.
Who gave them the weapons before showing them how to use them?
>>30246645
>>30249096
>>30258003
That damage control
>>30244700
Fuck man, even an army of /k/ommando's wouldn't be this incompetent.
>>30251544
Umm...
>>30246535
There was a lot of things going on behind the scenes during OP Gothic Serpent. BHD movie/book mostly talks about publicly released/available information, not mentioning TF Ranger + 10th and MEU.
>>30258340
Watch the whole thing on youtube, it's hilarious how incompetent they are.
>>30246116
>rails on stock
What would a person stick on that?
>>30247354
Stop drinking the liberal Kool-Aid. Democracy doesn't work when the IQ of your nation is below retard level.
>>30257305
>>30257323
>>30257331
Wow. Great read. Thanks anon.
>>30244867
>Jan Zumbach
quick little insight, he did CAS and bombing missions with his B-25, by having a crew member throw nigger rigged bombs (oil drums) out of the doorway on a fly by
air /k/ommando
>>30260091
How did nations like Rwanda manage to pull off such successful military coups and genocides with the IQ of a man with Downs? Think about this for a minute anon. War is the greatest measure of men.
>>30260218
>How did nations like Rwanda manage to pull off such successful military coups and genocides with the IQ of a man with Downs?
By using technology made by non-retards.
Any tard can squeeze a trigger.
>>30258340
African "soldiers" (usually in literal shitholes like Mali, DRC and Burundi) were taught once, given a rifle and do fuck all with it.
Only countries with sufficient military infrastructure and organization (ethopia, kenya, ghana, etc)are able to maintain skill retention, Even bootcamp-tier skills are hard to maintain if there's no proper training facilities/credible trainers
>>30260239
acktually, machetes were the main method of killings during the Rwandan genocide
>>30256965
>valves
You know dick about engines
>>30260239
>>30260272
Regardless of the tools used, organization for successful mass violence is an obvious indicator of higher thought processes.
>>30260218
>corrupt African warlords use "aid money" to buy guns
>use guns to kill own population
Even retards could figure that one out. Well, everyone but the retards giving them money.
>>30260316
>mindlessly hacking people with machetes is an indicator of a higher thought process
Yeah no
>>30260331
>mindlessly
On what planet do unthinking monkeys strategize and wage war against each other?
>>30244901
>>30260355
Go sign up with their armies if you fetishize them so much.
>>30260367
>not being racist is equivalent to fetishizing africans
projecting, bro?
>>30260317
Are you talking about 1994 rwanda or 2016 rwanda?
>>30260367
that's quite a stretch there, anon
>>30258592
But it's not. The US deployment to Somali had differing goals from AMISOMs ongoing mission. Furthermore, while Mogadishu is indeed stable today there's a whole lot of Somalia that isn't and Kenya still gets hit by Al-Shabaab from time to time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Adde
Can't find the vid of this attack but it was pretty bad for the Kenyans. There were several armored vehicles that simply pulled out without stopping, and no coordination among the defenders.
>>30260218
By having leaders that didn't go full retard. Kagame is one such person. While I've seen people debate the effectiveness of authoritarian rule in 3rd world countries and how it performs vs democracy, my $.02 is that a well managed authoritarian government that is run by actual smart people can make a lot of headway in an underdeveloped nation (see LKY).
>>30260675
I've read an argument somewhere that having a monarchy during early to mid-late development of a country is most beneficial. Key points were that the monarchs can be trained from birth and raised to do their job as correctly as possible, without having to deal with the obstructive bureaucracy of a democracy to slow them down. As population and standard of living increases, this slowly becomes less and less true, due to the growing divide between the wealth classes and therefore larger differences in the goals of the upper classes and the lower ones, but in the earlier stages with a relatively small population this is effective.
>>30257305
This guy had such a hard on with the argies for some reason, literally the only two terrorist attacks performed by foreign actives in the country had him behind it.
>>30258635
Don't waste your time anon. Yankees don't know about the SCV.
>>30260091
Which is why when the colonies first formed the US each state restricted voting rights to white, male landowners. While I could see a case being made for the race restriction being lifted (Benjamin Banneker anyone?), the idea of only landowners being able to vote makes sense.
In the Jeffersonian ideal, only a male landowner possessed the natural temperament and the economic freedom granted by owning his own land (to grow food & surplus and thus be free from the "demands" or whims of the market) was suitable to vote. It had little to do with IQ level and more to do with citizens being able to objectively weigh matters in their heads before they voted on them.
American politics was not supposed to get emotional, sensationalized, or vitriolic. It was supposed to be logical. Identity politics and muh feels are the ultimate degradation of Thomas Jefferson's legacy.
>>30257305
>>30244901
Texts like these are what makes /k/ great. It's one of the few (if only?) board in which a sensible exchange of information occur.
>>30247151
Nice photos mate.
African armies? Well there was that time when African lads shot down an American helicopter because they'd invaded their country and the Americans got scared and hid in a house and asked the Pakis to come and rescue their elite troops from the untrained nig nogs and then they went home because they were scared. That was very, very funny.
>>30257331
>hemad
>>30262961
You're not letting this rest are you?
>>30262961
This don't do justice to the malaysian contigent who have lost their men trying to save these rangers
>>30244922
Eritreans hated the British. The British basically dismantled all the Italian infrastructure and factories and sent it to their colonies in Kenya and elsewhere. I don't remember if they ever even received restitution for that.
Also remember that the Eritreans would go on to fight the Ethiopians for the next thirty years trying to win Independence, mostly because of Foreign military aid to Ethiopia (first the US, then the USSR).
>>30261014
>American politics was not supposed to get emotional, sensationalized, or vitriolic.
Early American politics was literally all of that. Shit got crazy, guys got shot.
Seriously, mang. The Vice President shot and killed the former Secretary of the Treasury. He shot that nigga to death and didn't give a fuck.
>>30263966
Forgot pic.
Also, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCwHzmA9jNQ
>>30263966
The Burr-Hamilton had less to do with politics and more to do with Hamilton slandering Burr in the press and basically starting shit he couldn't. Burr had served with Israel Putnam and done some crazy shit in the War for Independence. Hamilton was a glorified errand boy on General Washington's staff for most of the war.
Still tho. Imagine if Joe Biden got involved in a motherfucking duel today.
>>30252979
>Libya
>>30244783
That's an interesting receiver... what is that thing?
>>30265888
I think its the Czech version of teh AK.
>>30265940
I was gonna say a pistol grip Hakim (?), but I think you're right.
>>30265961
It does look very similar to the Hakim/Ljungman receiver, but those guns are way longer, even had they been fitted with a PG.
I believe our associate >>30265940 is correct.
Looking it up, it sure looks like a VZ.
