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What happened to the armored car concept? Why are our military cars today so flimsily protected at a time when they need protection from small arms fire more than ever?
>>30242005
The increasing prevalence of RPGs and roadside bombs.
Armor below that of a tank isn't going to meaningfully increase survivability, but it will decrease speed and carrying capacity.
The fuck are you on about?
>>30242005
There's literally a new armored car being brought to market right now.
>>30242005
>when they need protection from small arms fire more than ever?
you blatantly mistyped "IED's"
>>30242048
Hell, even fucking Humvees are up-armored nowadays.
>>30242048
This is more akin to a WW2 halftrack. An armored car would be smaller, more maneuverable, and geared toward offense.
>>30242066
armored and uparmored hmmwvs suck major ass though.
if they hit an IED the armor falls off and the explosion still gets inside.
>>30242005
>What is an MATV.
>>30242093
What ever happened to halftracks?
>>30242114
I never said they were any good, just that the armored car idea is still going strong.
They didn't go away, they just got uglier.
>>30242005
the monkey bars over the top. were those supposed to be hand holds for mounting/dismounting? or for some sort of tarp to block sun/rain?
>>30242056
is that a 25 MM Bushmaster?
>>30242146
Radio antennas
>>30242114
WWII armored cars couldn't protect against explosions either. Their armor was only good against small arms. Maybe grenades, but certainly not something like a roadside bomb.
>>30242123
Halftracks were usually garbage. Instead of getting the best of both worlds (good road speed and good rough terrain handling), you instead got the worst of both.
Also armored cars have been around since forever. They just don't look like the ones used in a decades old war for obvious reasons.
>>30242154
Yes.
>>30242114
>Explosion gets inside.
kek
>Thinks being unable to survive an IED is a mark against them.
Listen m8, it's impossible to get 100% against IEDs.
An IED can be as powerful as you want it to be. You step up the protection, they step up the payload. These aren't mass produced small arms designed to be carried by women. As soon as they discover your "protection" stops their usual design, they just make it bigger.
>>30242093
>offense
You mean reconnaissance, you dumb fuck?
>>30242159
really?
>>30242202
Trufax. Radio wasn't exactly a small thing back then.
That and your looking at a half track specifically designed for communication work, so course it's gonna get the fuck huge antenna
>>30242239
>half track
Fuck me. Halftrack, armored car, you get the fucking picture
>>30242239
Not to mention working as a relay for everyone else.
>>30242005
>tfw never went into mass production
>>30242005
>u wot m8?
>>30242836
>>30242841
>>30242288
>>30242836
>>30242841
Goddammit I wish I could afford to buy one
>>30242841
That is pure sex
>>30242045
>Le all APC must be Jew Tank-mongrel.
500 pound bombs have been used as IEDs. There is no real defence against them. All you can hope is the other vehicles might have enough to withstand the blast further away. Armoured vehicles whether APC, IFV or AFV must still do their jobs which is not being a tank since tanks do it better.
>>30242288
why is that front end so fucking long
what did they put in there, a V12?
>>30242005
Current APCs are too heavy. Might as well use dune buggies with jammers on them.
>>30242878
>Soon!
>>30242288
What literally came to mind.
>>30242288
>>30243654
Ground clearance is for stupids who can't stay on the roads.
>>30243654
stance lyfe
![map-1444018189[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JO3axDO.jpg "map-1444018189[1].jpg")
What does /k/ think of the Hawkei?
It looks like it's basically going to become the gold standard for PMVs.
Made by Thales Australia, the same guys who make the Bushmaster.
>>30242188
>It's impossible to get 100% against IEDs
The Bushmaster has a 100% survival record, even after a dozen or so have been blown up by IEDs.
The MRAP's probably got a similar record, too.
Just because Humvees are shit doesn't mean that everything is.
>>30243970
>As of May 2011, 31 Bushmasters have been damaged beyond repair while serving with the Australian Army
>>30244257
And nobody has ever died in one.
That's what matters m8
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ASVs and they fucking suck
>>30244265
You don't know that
>>30244406
Well I've heard it repeated multiple times from the people who run the company which makes them, so I'm going to say that yes - I do know that.
>>30244412
Hearing an anecdote repeated doesn't make it true.
>>30244419
I'm pretty sure they'd know about the field record of their own product.
>>30244426
>I'm pretty sure they lie about their products track record
FTFY
>>30242005
>What happened to the armored car concept?
As reconnaissance vehicles? The role has been basically eclipsed by the usage of drones.
As an armored patrol vehicles for counterinsurgency work in occupied territories? For the most part this role has been taken over by IFVs and APCs, although purpose-built 4x4 and 6x6 armored cars do exist and have been used to great effect in combat, like in the Border War.
>Why are our military cars today so flimsily protected at a time when they need protection from small arms fire more than ever?
Utility vehicles were never intended to be armored patrol vehicles. Iraq and Afghanistan were supposed to be "police actions" and the expense and gesture of using proper armored vehicles was seen as politically counterproductive both at home an in theater. Of course there were consequences to this, and for a time we had to scramble to uparmor humvees etc. MRAPs and other purpose-built vehicles are armored cars even if they kind of look like trucks.
lav and stryker are basically modern day armored car.
and stuff like the m3 bradley is basically armored car on steroid.
>>30243970
>>It's impossible to get 100% against IEDs
>Just because Humvees are shit doesn't mean that everything is.
MRAPs are also huge and weigh a fuck-ton.
Different tools for different jobs.
>>30245525
But there really isn't any reason for the Humvee to have such shit mine protection other than just "We don't really care lol"
>>30243931
It looks like someone took a MATV and stepped on it a bit to squish it down
I wonder how it compares to the LATV
>>30245648
they were never designed with mine resistance in mind which is why people made mraps and the like from scratch
it would be like attaching a rocket motor to arrows in an effort to make them reach farther like a gun could
We Eurosatory now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJT_EAMHwdQ
>>30245648
humvee were utility vehicle. their initial job was just transportation.
using MRAP for everything is just impractical.
>>30245732
They could have still put some basic mine protection in.
Loads of other vehicles around the same weight have sloped undersides.
>>30242123
Halftracks were a shitty compromise back when people didn't know how to build things.
>>30245738
>They could have still put some basic mine protection in.
It's easier to simply design and build a different vehicle, which is what we did. That's why the MRAP exists.
There is a limit to how much shit you can tack onto a design before it's easier to just build something entirely new.
The humvee was designed to carry people and things around while not getting shot at. When you start trying to modify it to absorb mines and RPG's, it gets really shitty really fast.
>>30244304
Why ?
>>30245716
Kek. They're practicing and demonstrating in a simulated african environment.
>>30245732
Do the current MRAPs have the same ballistic protection as the WW1 landships ?
>>30243818
It has adjustable suspension.
>>30242005
Because RPG's and other Cheap AT weapons are fucking everywhere and would make short work of WW2 style tanks and armored cars
>>30247606
Oh hai there nice armored car, it would be a shame if someone took it out with a single hit.
>>30242005
Armored cars return recently in the last three decades as anit tank weapons.
Basically a large tank destroying gun added on a Light as fuck Chassis = Yippie Ki Yay MotherFucker
>>30242005
They are used to carry mortars or TOWs
>>30242836
>That flag.
So thats how the future looks for germany uh?
Offensive technology continues to usurp defensive
Until y'all start inventing shield generators
>>30242005
We've got armored vehicles, they're just busy at cloded Wal-Marts.
>>30242056
Tacticool
>>30248167
Anyone know what the blue helmets represent? There was a black guy in back with a blue helmet, too. Drivers had normal helmets.
>>30248187
if it means the same that it mens in my country,that guy in the blue helmet is a on site supervisor
The CAF is getting a new armoured car, the TAPV. It'll be going to our armoured units to serve as armoured recce, because our Coyotes are old as shit and don't do cross country very well. The TAPV had some shitty performance issues, they were sent back to get fixed. Supposed to arrive soon™. They're going to have an auto 40mm grenade launcher and/or a C6 GPMG.
>>30242005
Why were German armored cars so sexy?
>>30242056
It's beautiful.
>>30243912
Kek.
>>30244304
Well that's kind of surprising I thought those things were figuratively bulletproof.
>>30244713
They're trucks in body and spirit.
>>30244419
Tell that to the gun grabbers
>>30242264
an antenna set up like that probably wouldnt be a good relay
>>30248699
They're tough, but they're shit. If you engage the parking brake while it's in a certain gear (second I believe), the crew compartment bursts into flames.
