What would it take for Russia to actually matter again?
>>30227662
Not being corrupt. This seems to be the issue that holds back countries.
>>30227662
A functional, robust economy.
>>30227662
$100+ per barrel for starters
Not be fuckin comies
>>30227662
Oh my~
What am I looking at~
Is that what I think it is~?
Climate Change.
>>30227662
Playing nice.
Europe would bend pretty far to get access to the Russian market and resources.
Germany-Russia dentente.
Making " BRANDED (2012)" a reality
>>30227662
Tons of money. No, really. That's it. They've always been held back by (relative) poverty. They still have the people, places, and things to be dangerous, they just need the cash to seriously grow their experience and infrastructure.
>>30227851
People and culture determine how prosperous a country is.
Russia is a backwater because it is filled with depressive, corrupt alcoholics with no values.
>>30227911
You're being very prescriptive, but that's a bit pedabtuc. Moreover, cultural revolutions are not uncommon throughout history. Regardless, but economics and culture require time to truly change. We're talking a process that will invariably require decades even if it begins now. Does that satisfy you?
>>30227851
That gets back to the corruption issue. Russia has vast natural resources. If they could get their shit together, get a decent manufacturing base going, they could have the money to build an infrastructure.
>>30227815
Spoiler one american in Russia and yes there are mafiosi and vodka lots and lots of mafiosi
>>30227977
Any waifu kalashnikov
>>30227911
Not really. What they need is more trade ports and better access to overseas markets. You overstimate people's and culture.
>>30227662
Here's a bigger one for you.
>>30227715
Yes, that is the Su-T50.
>>30227662
For America and China to completely fall of the face of the earth, with the rest of Europe right behind them.
>>30228037
China has less to offer, the've just discovered and new species of lizard. The fuck do we need a lizard for.
>>30227687
>A functional, robust economy.
>>30227936
not the guy your referring to, but Russia has been regarded as a cultural backwater since at least as far back as Roman times.
>Russians are the sub-saharans of the white race
>>30228045
>China has less to offer
They are leading in cyber, not to mention their growing naval capabilities, Russia is a joke to even China shittier military.
>>30228057
Yeah but many african americans still bought their way to freedom
>>30228071
no, not really
>>30228067
So war and more iphone pluses in my future im moving to the siberian wont you agree shill
>>30228104
Not really what
The russians still have the orthodox a subdenomination to the roman catholic considered as such and shall be acted upon as such.
>>30227662
Co-development of more defense project. By getting people to pay for some of the development costs up front their project can be better funded and thus generally turn out better. Trade off is that the partners except a better net deal then what a normal arms trade would be. Also this helps to ensure that there is better scales of economy. Word is that Russian is only buying 12 of PAK FA, and that means it has become only a means to mature technology.
Yes, I am highly aware that the PAK FA was made in a co-development. Truth is that with India they are hard to deal with , and their starting order was not of the needed size to get the scales of economy were it needed to be. If Russia had been able to get say Malaysia the extra money and scales of economy would of likely made the project a success.
Also the issue is that the PAK FA is not what most non NATO counties are looking for these days. It is a high cost, high performance (in design goals), rather low readiness rate plane. Counties want a plane to have a mid sized air-force that will have a high readiness rate and can threaten the enemy. They want the Saab Gripen. Russian should of been working on a better but similar offering to the Saab Gripen. Use it to replace its very large MiG-29 fleet rather then looking at its fleet of Su-27 for replacement.
>>30228366
What
>>30228514
Maybe I say what the end goal of a better Russia MIC. Fair point. If Russia sells more arms, especially high value hard to quickly change providers arms like fighters it gets more export income for the state ( their MIC is mostly state owned) and more diplomatic ties. Diplomatic ties can be turned into economic ties with effort.
If Russia does that just maybe it can move its economy off of exporting oil onto a more stable mode. If it has a stable source of income and a better MIC it can afford to have a more modern armed forces.
I dont care for russia or interpol there
>>30228366
>>30228645
Genuine autism.
Not a word of what you're saying makes any sense or is in any way connected to the thread. I suggest you re-read what other people have posted and try again. You sound like you're talking to a schizophrenic elf that lives inside your head.
>>30228057
Nice bait.
How can Russians even compete?
>>30229144
> Has no genuine anti-F-35 argument
> Goes for cheap, ignorant fat joke
>>30229177
>implying it isn't true
Just look at this.
>>30229177
I mean seriously....
>>30227662
A diversified economy that isn't completely dependent on the price of oil.
>>30229202
>what are internal hardpoints
I mean I don't like the F35 but your argument is shit
>>30229202
>>30229194
Why so fat?
>>30228204
>The russians still have the orthodox a subdenomination to the roman catholic considered as such and shall be acted upon as such.
>subdenomination
Wut.
>>30228366
>Yes, I am highly aware that the PAK FA was made in a co-development.
Yes, the Russians co-developed the PAK FA with the Russians.
>>30229274
>>30229274
>T-50
>fat
Really like it.
>>30229274
Americans think it is normal to be chubby. It has influenced their design mentality.
Notice how fit planes were all made in times when the America population was fitter. This is not a coincidence.
>>30229194
>>30229202
>About the same size
>actually stealth
> has internal weapon bays
Fuckingretards.jpg
>>30229291
Say what you want about American airplanes though, at least they don't burn coal.
And yes - T-50 not so huge.
>>30229309
>Fit planes
You mean the anorexic hornet and viper that had garbage range and payload?
>>30229332
>calling a fit plane anorexic
You're just mad because all the rich young muscled pilots give them more attention.
Feminism has ruined aviation.
>>30229326
>comparing it to the Su-27 series
But the Su-27 series is huge.
>those stubby little wings
fat as fuck famalam
Why doesn't the f-35 have vector when they made a model that hovers?
>>30229358
Thrust vectoring has largely fallen out of favor for anything that isn't designed to be an air superiority fighter as simply adding too much unnecessary cost.
TSAR BOMBA
>>30229349
>Muscle-less skin and bones planes are "fit"
> Actually muscled planes are "fat"
How's life in Bizzaro World?
Does the PAK FA exist now or is it still vaporware
>>30229406
It's already in production))))
new prototype on the way!!!!!
>>30228027
Why MiG and not SU came into my mind?
>>30229315
>actually stealth
Has the stealth qualities actually ever been independently verified? Or are we just blindly trusting L-M?
>>30229622
Lol
>>30228055
NO GO GREASO
>>30229622
Considering it has S-Ducts and the Pak-Fa does not, it's already stealthier than anything Russia has made )))))))))))))))
>>30229622
Oh yeah, I was able to buy an F-35 and stick it in my radar testing chamber in my backyard.
>>30227662
They need to massively modernize their armored forces with T90S and MS variants. Abandon the T14 and 15, those are nothing but propaganda pieces and a waste of rubles.
Increase the Nuclear sub fleet.
Let MiG build a 5th and 6th gen fighter, tell Cy to go back to ground attack where they belong.
Actually build a CATOBAR carrier and move overall doctrine to more individual forces rather than a top heavy command dominated doctrine.
Oh and at one point develop doctrine for the use of airpower, that would be nice.
>>30227662
Vodka to never have been invented.
>>30229696
>>30229850
>>30229883
Do you guys even pay taxes?
>>30227690
This desu familia. Another Iraq War would do wonders.
>>30230122
Literally not a single person who pays taxes supports the F-35.
>>30230456
You would be wrong.
I pay taxes (as in, actually pay, i did not get a return, had to pay), and i think the F-35 is the shit.
Hell, the LRSB is the shit too.
I would gladly pay for that over the welfare given to dindus. At least with the MIC i get to see the best of the best shit.
The only people who are truly against the F-35 are ignorant and base their arguments on complete strawmans.
>>30230122
Oh, and to add, and the cross section has been independently verified.
You would know this if you were not a complete ignorant newfag, which again points to my post above.
>>30230498
>I pay taxes (as in, actually pay, i did not get a return, had to pay)
Confirmed for not knowing how taxes work.
In light of that, I SERIOUSLY doubt you actually pay taxes.
>>30230513
>Confirmed for not knowing how taxes work.
Au contraire, you can get a return and still pay taxes. Hell, if you want to REALLY get into it you dont get dick back from SS payments.
>In light of that, I SERIOUSLY doubt you actually pay taxes.
Well again, right back at you champ, i SERIOUSLY doubt you actually pay taxes.
>>30230530
from
>I pay taxes (as in, actually pay, i did not get a return
to
>Au contraire, you can get a return and still pay taxes.
Thank you for looking this up. It's rare for somebody to realize they are wrong and correct themselves You've learned something new today!
>>30230549
They are both one in the same.
I was clarifying in the first post, alot of people think they don't when they get a return, hence, "As in, actually pay, i did not get a return".
You really think i looked up US taxes in the 2 mins, saw i was wrong, formulated why, and then had time to type it out?
>>30229291
Chinese stealth is so funny.
They think they can achieve stealthy RCS by simply copying the shape of the F-22 and calling it a day, and the stealth properties will come about themselves.
Style, but no engineering substance.
>>30230456
What's it like being willfully ignorant?
>>30227662
They've already got it.
A US president that sells out the rest of the world so he can pass his terrible policies at home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE
He has been caught on an open mic telling the Russians that he will be more "flexible" if they don't cause any messes before the election.
Now look at Crimea, Ukraine, the overall increased aggressiveness of the Russian forces.
Obama does not care.
>>30230745
So you're saying that Russia can only do anything when the US lets them?
>>30230498
If you get a return all it means is that you overpaid through the year, dumbass.
>>30230771
What, you think Europe is going to do anything?
>>30230509
>the cross section has been independently verified
Cross section is a geometric measure and is easily verified. What I am looking for is RCS, That *R* is all the difference.
And my question was not rhetoric, I simply have not seen the RCS having been *independently* verified. Instead I see Israel expressing doubt. So please, if you have a link, put it up here.
>>30230745
ukraine shitstorm happened to pacify russia and shove it into deep deep shit, so deep that it backs the fuck out of Syria.
Remember when the clanking started? Russians saved Assad and his army from being bombed by nato, with all the decent anti air systems. When the turk plane got shot down.
Suddenly there is isis and all those videos and shit, ukraine generals, syria generals and somehow russians got back into syria this time with bombs and started bombing people we supported for some reason.
Somehow, all that has something to do with natural gas.
>>30228055
>disgusting high-heel feet
no bueno
>>30231468
source?
>>30227662
>What would it take for Russia to actually matter again?
Taking a lesson from the current superpower's playbook; embroil itself in multiple unresolvable conflicts?
>>30234002
Involve itself in various unstable regions where it can distribute real combat experience through the ranks, while being able to come and go as it pleases.
