http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/07/politics/us-china-planes-unsafe-intercept/index.html?eref=edition
>(CNN)A U.S. Air Force RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft flying Tuesday in international airspace over the East China Sea was intercepted in an "unsafe manner" by a Chinese J-10 fighter jet, several defense officials tell CNN.
>The Chinese jet was never closer than 100 feet to the U.S. aircraft, but it flew with a "high rate of speed as it closed in" on the U.S. aircraft, one official said. Because of that high speed, and the fact it was flying at the same altitude as the U.S. plane, the intercept is defined as unsafe.
>The officials did not know if the U.S. plane took any evasive action to avoid the Chinese aircraft or at what point the J-10 broke away. It is also not yet clear if the U.S. will diplomatically protest the incident. Officials said the RC-135 was on a routine mission.
So, can some fag here explaim me why the US is always whining abotu 'unsafe intercepts'? Of course a fighter jet is going to be much faster and manoeuverable than a slow spy-plane.
It is not that they flew barrel rolls at 50 feet around that spy plane this time, unlike in 2014, so this intercept is actually pretty tame.
And fighter jocks around the world like to show off their skills whenever they have the chance.
>>30218489
Hurry up and war China, we need cheap Milsurp again
I love how we're so eager to hug a dangerous autocracy like Mainland China while ignoring a working democracy like Taiwan.
>>30218511
pardon?
>>30218525
WE WAR CHINA SO WE CAN 200 DOLLAR AK
>>30218519
Taiwan shat itself up just two weeks after the new government took over.
Their economy is in tatters.
So, it is really not that working.
Just like gun safety, flight safety isn't something you fuck with.
>>30218511
If we do go to war with China, can we finally secure independence for Taiwan in the process?
Guaranteed Forward Operating Base, right off China's waters.
>>30218536
No, thanks.
No war with China = We get lots of delicious Type 81s in Canada.
>>30218489
So there can be a news article with " enemy bad, we good".
>>30218489
Because it justifies their budget when they make a stink about anything. Stop taking what you read in sensationalist press at face value.
>>30218511
enjoy your wasteland
>>30218540
Taiwan's not menacing us at every turn.
China's bullying its neighbors is going to one day drag us into a war. Sooner or later, one of China's neighbors will draw a line in the water and dare China to cross it.
>>30218551
We'll hand over the captured factories to you Canadians if you promise to share the bounty
>>30218544
Heh, before that happens, China would rather take Taiwan with them to hell.
If there's one thing that is their bottom line, is not an independent Taiwan, but an independent Taiwan that turns into an US base.
>>30218489
The J-10 is beautiful.
>>30218554
The minefield's already in place.
Look at this map.
>>30218519
>I love how we're so eager to hug a dangerous autocracy like Mainland China while ignoring a working democracy like Taiwan.
How exactly are we ignoring Taiwan, you idiot? Taiwan gets huge backing from the West.
>>30218489
>So, can some fag here explain me why the US is always whining about 'unsafe intercepts'?
Because hot dogging Chinese pilots have a history of ramming into US flights. You know what they say about asian drivers.
>The EP-3 (BuNo 156511), assigned to Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron One (VQ-1, "World Watchers"), had taken off as Mission PR32 from Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan. At about 09:15 local time, toward the end of the EP-3's six-hour ELINT mission, two Chinese J-8s from Lingshui airfield, on the Chinese island of Hainan, approached the EP-3 as it flew at 22,000 feet (6,700 m) and 180 knots (210 mph), on a heading of 110°, about 70 miles (110 km) away from the island. One of the J-8s (81192), piloted by Lt. Cdr. Wong Wei,[9][10] made two close passes to the EP-3. On the third pass, it collided with the larger aircraft. The J-8 broke into two pieces; the EP-3's radome detached completely and its No. 1 (outer left) propeller was severely damaged. Airspeed and altitude data were lost, the aircraft depressurized, and an antenna became wrapped around the tailplane. The J-8's tail fin struck the EP-3's left aileron forcing it fully upright, and causing the U.S. aircraft to roll to the left at 3-4 times its normal maximum rate.[8]
>The American government claimed that the Chinese jet bumped the wing of the larger, slower, and less maneuverable EP-3. After returning to U.S. soil, the pilot of the EP-3, Lt. Shane Osborn, was allowed to make a brief statement in which he said that the EP-3 was on autopilot and in straight-and-level flight at the time of the collision. He stated that he was just "guarding the autopilot" in his interview with Frontline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
>>30218595
All I see when I look at this map are places the USN is going to exercise freedom of navigation until the PLAN actually goes full retard and tries some dumb shit and gets their assholes reamed.
>>30218595
I like this chart more, since it shows that Taiwan is pretty much sharing China's claim.
After all, China's SCS claims are based on the Nationalist Chinese claims of the KMT from 1948.
>>30218489
Anything to keep the anti-"US enemy" media mantra going.
>>30218489
>Peformance rally car drives up behind you on the interstate at twice your speed, closing the gap between you very fast
>Finally stops accelerating and matches you speed within almost touching distance
Would you say that was unsafe?
Bearing in mind that commerical aircraft have to maintain 15,000ft horizontal separation and 1000ft vertical under normal circumstances?
Its not whining, its not trusting shitty Chinese pilots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDqZy4deDI
>>30218610
FON was never a problem for China.
After all, the South China Sea is China's main shipping line. Why should they ever blockade themselves?
The US is actually trying to stirr shit up and provoke China to shoot first.
>>30218559
>Sooner or later, one of China's neighbors will draw a line in the water and dare China to cross it.
Lmao no they won't. That's asking for a recession in your country.
>>30218632
>FON was never a problem for China.
It seems to be a problem for china when the US is doing it.
>The US is actually trying to stirr shit up and provoke China to shoot first.
As china claims the whole SCS for themselves.
>>30218600
How many Western nations ship arms to Taiwan?
>>30218632
>The US is actually trying to stirr shit up and provoke China to shoot first.
Sailing through international waters and monitoring military buildup in the region isn't stirring shit up, .50 center.
>>30218610
You seem to be unable to see all the other claims made by other nations.
America takes no side in the conflict. We do FON's through all claimed areas. Not just Chinese.
>>30218489
>So, can some fag here explaim me why the US is always whining abotu 'unsafe intercepts'?
Chinese like to kamikaze into other planes in the air.
>>30218660
(Citation needed)
>>30218606
>one incident 15 years ago proves a rule
>>30218606
It was a J-8. A flying pencil and purpose built interceptor that isnt made for agile maneuvers.
And it was only one single time. Just a few days before, two American F-16s crashed into each other mid-air. Would you say that America has a history of bad flying?
In 2014, Chinese pulled off pretty cool moves around the P-8 that was spying on them. Barrel rolls and shit.
Pretty dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYGM4z0CIY
>>30218658
China seems to be the only one that has a problem with the USN exercising FON. We aren't taking sides but we're definitely showing our interest in a stable SCS as most of the world shipping goes through it.
>>30218645
Flying B-52 bombers over Chinese bases is.
Stop lying, Murrilard.
>>30218489
U.S. being intercepted
>waaah the plane flew quickly to me and my fat diabetic eyes couldnt adjust fast enough waaah
US intercepting anyone else
>we did fire off several missiles during the intercepts but it was completely safe and we only destroyed part of their plane but it was completely safe and we need to invest more on the defense of this nation so we've decided to give lockheed martin another 500 billion dollars
>>30218632
China's the one building the artificial islands with military hardware on them. I'd hardly call that a "Peaceful Rise". I'd call that an appeal to Nationalism by the Chinese Communist Party to shore up its support, to draw attention away from a weakening economy.
>>30218638
That won't be enough to stop a war fueled by nationalism and mutual loathing.
China loves to bring up World War II against Japan, cynically ignoring the fact Mao killed millions of his own people.
>>30218559
The thing is the Taiwanese government is just as crazy as the mainland Chinese, and would be pushing the same claims that the PRC is now if the positions were switched.
Agreed with their dickishness to their neighbors dragging us into war though. Maybe we'll luck out, the Norks will collapse, and China will have to step in and do something about the mess, distracting them (not because they want to, but because they have to).
>>30218673
>China seems to be the only one that has a problem with the USN exercising FON.
Ask Japan.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-china-islands-idUSKCN0YV01U
>Japan protests after Chinese warship sails near disputed East China Sea islands
Chinese and Russians were just conducting Freedom of Navigation there.
Tell your Japanese vassals to shut the fuck up.
>>30218671
>And it was only one single time.
And? Thats like trusting some faggot you dont even know becuase he "only ND'ed into your chest at the range only one time".
Its only one time BRUH.
>It was a J-8. A flying pencil and purpose built interceptor that isnt made for agile maneuvers.
Yes, Chinese pilots are shitty and clearly dont know the limits of their airframes.
> Just a few days before, two American F-16s crashed into each other mid-air.
Doing air interdiction practice, i.e. dogfighting.
>In 2014, Chinese pulled off pretty cool moves around the P-8 that was spying on them. Barrel rolls and shit.
Oh yeah, the guy at the range who ND'ed was doing some pretty "cool moves" with his gun, being unsafe and shit.
Its unprofessional as fuck. You dont see F-18's who escort bears doing "cool moves".
Of course, asking Chinese to be professional, much less competent, is clearly, CLEARLY, a bar too high.
>>30218683
>China's the one building the artificial islands with military hardware on them.
Wrong!
Vietnam and Philippines were the first who began it. China's buildup was a reaction to their sorry attempts (as pic related shows).
If they didnt want to see China using their industrial power and superior civil engineering skills to build dozens of islands, compared to their shovel-work sandcastles, they shouldnt have started the race.
>>30218698
>whataboutism
>>30218716
>showing the same image at different tide levels
Whew laddy.
>>30218645
Oh look. It's a cute island resort China built. One of who-knows-how-many in the South China Sea.
It's a resort so exclusive China threatens any nation that gets near them.
How is America the one stirring things up when China is building fortresses?
>>30218716
>superior civil engineering skills
hah
oh anon, you can't say that seriously about a country that has a bridge made out of literal trash.
>>30218668
>>one incident 15 years ago proves a rule
Being that they keep up their unprofessional "stunts"
Yeah. They have not learned a damn thing.
>>30218720
>whataboutism
So, Freedom of Navigation only applies to the US against China now?
I thought FON is a allowed according to the UNCLOS.
If anything, it is China who is allowed to conduct FON, as they actually signed the UNCLOS. Unlike America, who didnt.
>>30218731
>So, Freedom of Navigation only applies to the US against China now?
Never even implied. Why are you having to resort to making shit up to argue against?
Tell me what China crying about the US claiming FON has to do with Japan crying about China doing it.
Tell me how you made this extraordinary leap in """""""""""""""""""logic"""""""""""""""""""""""".
>>30218731
>If anything, it is China who is allowed to conduct FON, as they actually signed the UNCLOS. Unlike America, who didnt.
UNCLOS states that signatorys have to apply the same rules to non signatorys.
>>30218722
Photo: Vietnamese Island Reclaimation attempts.
Kek.
Sowed wind, harvest storm etc.
Literally.
>>30218680
>Flying B-52 bombers over Chinese bases is.
>muh ADIZ
>muh claims
Stop us faggot. We're not going to sit there and watch you push around the SCS. You've got a problem with it? Stop us. China is the more aggressive party in this equation.
>>30218698
Japan's on a leash don't worry. They're just a ASW branch of the USN.
>>30218716
In other words, instead of taking those nations to international court, China made a bad situation worse through escalation.
>>30218727
You said anything, lolnoroads America?
China's the one building railways all the way across Eurasia connecting Europe with China with the New Silk Road.
It is not America, whose shitty infrastructure is famed around the world.
>>30218724
>tfw you're given garrison duty on an isolated tropical island and it doesn't even have a beach
>>30218716
>superior civil engineering skills
i'll just leave this here.
>>30218750
Which could have easily been contested in an international court.
But no, the Chinese Government used their presence to shore up its own base of support via appealing to nationalist grievances.
Now China is the one facing an international ruling.
>>30218750
Pic: Chinese Island Factories.
Viets and Flips tried to stirr shit up with their plastic toy shovels (also Made in China), and now are buttmad that China is reacting to them by literally churning out one Diego Garcia after another.
>>30218766
About 100 years behind faggots. Let's see how long they last when you use human feces and paper garbage for substrate.
>>30218766
>that fucking infograph
We have double that in Numbered Highways.
Jesus, do a fucking google search.
>>30218767
I definitely don't see any volleyball courts either.
>>30218773
Just leaving this here.
>>30218782
Yes, and the garrisons are going to go crazy from the isolation. What are they going to do in their off-time?
>>30218766
I'm not a clapper, but I wouldn't ride a Chinese railway if my life depended on it.
Or a Chinese escalator
or a Chinese elevator.
Really rather walk after the hundreds of LL videos. Or better yet, avoid the entire shitty country.
>>30218796
>cherry picked natural disaster images from liberal shitrag used for propaganda
wew
>>30218489
The whole point of those intercepts is to come in shithot, give the jet a squat to show what you're carrying, and make whoever it is think twice about continuing. Don't know exactly what the Chinese did but it's what we train to so the fact that the Air Force is bitching about it means they probably did it right.
>>30218794
Chinese are rather tennis and basketball people.
You can see some tennis courts on Yongshu.
China doesn't want to be the first to shoot so the best they can do is push and shove the competition away. It's completely believable that Chinese pilots do stupid shit to to get the RC-135 to crash or land.
>>30218822
Can you imagine what the food service must be like though? They must wait forever just to get real food.
"Sorry we're out of that. Wait 5 months."
>>30218572
Much like the question of whether the US would go to bat for Taiwan if it meant Los Angeles was a smoking ruin -- would the PRC leadership make a trade to destroy Taiwan, at the cost of a second Cultural Revolution via US Tridents?
>>30218808
Work the fields, play basketball, watch animu and fap in the showers.
What else.
Actually, one of China's goals by expanding the remote outposts into islands was to turn them into tourist spots, with cafes, restaurants, hotels etc.
Pic is Woody Island, which is already a tourist hub in addition to being a major Chinese airbase.
>>30218821
>The whole point of those intercepts is to come in shithot, give the jet a squat to show what you're carrying, and make whoever it is think twice about continuing.
Wew. Thats not how its been between the US and russia for over 40 years now.
>>30218815
>cherry picked faulty house foundation used for propaganda
wew
>>30218845
>>30218821
lel, no.
It really isn't.
>>30218863
Cool. Please tell me how radar intercepts work. Would love to amend TOPGUN.
>>30218857
Even in Middle-Of-Nowhere you can't escape overpriced coffee.
"For I beheld Starbucks.....as it fell from Heaven!"
>>30218871
Its not about coming in hot as shit and showing what you have, its assumed that the fighter is armed.
Its about showing that you are there and ready to react, and nothing else.
The US has managed to intercept Bear flights for decades upon decades without incident.
>>30218845
Woody Island is an actual island. Nobody's going to want to visit a military base on some reefs. Who are you trying to fool?
>>30218808
>Yes, and the garrisons are going to go crazy from the isolation. What are they going to do in their off-time?
What the fuck do you think sailors do on ships?
At least these islands might actually have decent internet connections, whereas ships are often relying on crappy VSAT in 128kbps to 2mbps range, with 500 to 3000ms round trip times...
Ah China and its Peaceful Rise.
Soon as it deals with those pesky Japanese, the Vietnamese, the Malaysians, the Indonesians, the Koreans (both groups), the Tibetans, the people of Hong Kong, the Taiwanese, and the Uighurs.
Nothing can possibly go wrong.
>>30218857
What a less-than-subtle way of signalling you want a civillian shield to your military installations.
>>30218871
If you think that interceptions during FON are about "making people think twice about continuing", you're a moron.
If you think rapidly closing at the same altitude is okay, you're a moron. Thats not "coming in shithot", thats being a danger to yourself and others.
>>30218892
How many intercepts have you flown and in what airframe?
>>30218898
Considering how bad cybersecurity tends to be in military environments, Wi-Fi for everybody is likely not a good idea.
>>30218857
>>30218915
3 in an F-16.
>>30218930
I think having to look at that all the time would drive me mad. It's like the stores were designed by the maker of Candy Crush.
>>30218933
Guard unit or something? Navy does business differently.
>>30218845
that's not one of china's goals.
China's only goal is to steal oil, natural gas and mineral rights on public ocean space by burying coral reefs in dredged shit and slapping 3rd-world-quality fortresses on them.
Don't worry, we'll wait and when you actually try to steal the underwater resources you 4-inch dickers will get obliterated.
>>30218782
the Chinese are burying coral reefs to make cheap shitty knockoff islands just to stake claim?
It's like they enjoy being the bad guys.
>>30218852
>cherry picked
>>30218852
>cherry picked...
>>30218766
Your info-graphic is wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_expressways
China is at 123,000 km and the US is at 76,334 km of expressways. However that is a odd thing to pic on the subject of transportation development. For long distance travel air traffic is a better angle, period. For overland freight it does matter, but no were near the same amount as rail transport networks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_rail_transport_network_size
The US has 222,932 km of railway to China's 121,000 km.
If trying to look at the subject of accessibility of the breath of territory total road network size (which counts expressways) is a far better measurement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
The US has 6,586,610 km of roads to China's 4,460,000 km.
>>30218845
>>30218893
>>30218898
Designated Ladyboy brigade.
>>30218912
It is kinda peaceful
Just as peaceful as America's Manifest Destiny is.
>>30218950
>this
>having to do with the quality of engineering
>3 pictures
>proof that it is usually like that
ok
>>30218852
>cherry picked :^)
>>30218852
>cherry picked ;^)
>>30218943
With their oh-so-awesome safety standards, we'll see oil spill that'll make people long for Deepwater Horizon.
>>30218942
Nope, Stationed in Alaska.
I guess it might be different for the navy with the limited ranges involved.
Still though, you don't intercept a non threat like that. Its completely unprofessional.
>>30218971
Yes, except China's opponents are much wealthier and better armed than the Indians were.
>>30218950
>>30218955
>>30218984
>>30218996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_structural_failures_and_collapses
>CTRL+F "US"
>175
>>30218998
>I guess it might be different for the navy with the limited ranges involved.
>navy
>CVN
wat
>>30219033
>>CTRL+F "US"
Gee, its almost like "us" is used alot in words.
also..
>This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
>>30219033
>US casualties from faulty infrastructure: 200+
>Chinese causalities from faulty infrastructure: 200,000+
Not even a murrican m8, China is a shithole
>>30219098
noone said it isnt, but its retarded to pretend that such mistakes dont happen in the US
>>30219033
We've been building big shit a lot longer now. We pioneered stuff you're just getting into 140 years ago.
>china accidentally nukes itself
>>30219098
That's doubly-frightening because a ton of America's infrastructure gets a failing grade (by our standards), and it's still better than China's.
That's how bad China's infrastructure is, that is it worse than our many failures in infrastructure.
That is an epic level of fail on China's part.
>>30219070
What i mean is we are not surprised by Bears or whatnot, with the North Warning System. We see them coming from a long ways out.
Now, CVN's have some pretty great assets no doubt, but popup threats do occur (i am assuming), and those threats are generally more, for lack of a better term, threatening. (of course, we treat each incursion seriously, but you get my drift, you have more at stake)
>>30218840
I'd be willing to trade LA for the entirety of China
>>30219108
Nobody is pretending that the US has the rare problem.
But china takes it to a whole new level. They got bridges made of fucking trash man.
>>30219136
sounds like a win win
>>30219142
source? besides a single picture?
>>30218716
There's a difference between making a few islands, and making a massive chain of militarized islands built in attempt to project power into fucking Bruneian, Malaysian, Vietnamese, and Filipino claims.
And Taiwan, as it were. I don't think anyone is surprised by that, at this point.
Really this would be much ado about nothing they were just refueling stations, but China has a doctrinal predilection for costal missile bastions, and they like the big ones a good deal more than is healthy. Bringing all that out into what is effectively one of the most heavily traveled junctures on the planet is real bad for business.
Tl;Dr putting airfields and missile batteries right up on your neighbors is terrible form.
>>30218950
>>30218955
You know fully well that these "needle houses" are result of people who dont want to move out to make way for the highway to be build there.
China can just violently drive them away, if it was a decade ago. But nowadays, they actually try to respect property rights and give compensations. But for some, it is not enough and they refuse, which is why the urban developers just build the highway around.
Same happened in Japan as well, pic related, when they built the Narita Airport and some peasants didnt want to move away for the meager compensation.
But nice try on trolling, fag. You thought that people are as gullible as you are?
>>30219009
For all accounts and purposes, Philippines and Vietnam are as strong as American Indians or the once-independent Hawaiian Kingdom vis a vis the China, when compared to the USA back then.
Also, not to forget; the Monroe Doctrine specifically was aimed against the European Powers of that time. And those were even superior in strength compared to the US back then.
>>30218946
>Muh Corals
Actually no.
Chinese are even fasciliating coral growth there around their reclaimed islands. They have already begun with seeding corals and other stuff around the expanded reefs that were made by sediments of deeper waters to serve as foundation and wave-protection fro their islands. In fact, corals are direly needed for the stability of their islands, as they hold the sediments together. They dont do it for Greenpeace, but for practical purposes of having island bases that can resist water currents and storms.
And, after all, their fishers and tourists want to profit from their island building as well.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/22/china-spratlys-island-building-is-to-protect-reefs-make-civilian-facilities.html
>>30219214
Im pretty sure one picture is enough anon.
>>30218766
You've either never driven the American interstate system or you're trolling.
>>30219126
>>30219128
>>30219142
What's even worse is that although they have one of the best industrial espionage program in the world, they're still playing catch up. India (poo in loo), is on track to get to Mars before the Chinese. The Chinese pretty much has all this time to get their people to the moon but is unable to reproduce what the US did with 1960's tech.
It just boggles the mind. It's like someone handed you all the answers to a test and still somehow passed with a C+.
>>30219235
and how does a single low res picture prove that china is building bridges out of trash?
america's toys are worth a fuck of a lot more than china's
>>30218590
>canards
Unwashed filth
>>30219216
Dont even dare to mention Taiwan, if you dont understand the whole story.
Taiwan is actually kinda happy that China is reinforcing National Chinese claims, because Taiwan themselves have stakes in the 9-dash line (Originally, 11 dash line as perpetuated by the KMT government of 1948 when they ruled over China still).
And Taiwan is actually a victim of Philippine and Vietnamese bullying, having lost a few fishers to killings by the coast guards of these nations.
Taiwan also has a fortified island base in the SCS, Taiping Island, which is now getting upgraded.
Also, Taiwan is fervently defending China's claims in the SCS even against fellow US ally Philippines in court, as they have as much to lose as China is, when the ruling goes against Chinese claims:
http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/taiwan-argues-its-south-china-sea-case-in-the-court-of-public-opinion/
Sorry, but murricans always wants to simplify every dispute into black and white. But it isnt so simple in reality.
Especially not the overlapping claims in the SCS, where every country basically hates each other there (except for Taiwan and China, who both were always pretty much sharing the burden of maintaining their common claims by the virtue that both of them are Chinese States ruled by different chinese governments).
China and Taiwan might hate each other elsewhere, especially in politics, but in terms of island dispute, both of them are actually on the same side. As 'what belongs to China, belongs to Taiwan as well' - which is the guiding principle on which Taiwanese fishers usually operate in the SCS and ECS. And China is tolerating that, of course.
>>30219342
>Murrikans wanna black and white...
Everyone knows that classic, 'good' American foreign policy idealizes quick resolutions and resumption of normalized relationships. We are capitalists if nothing else, and major shifts in power are bad for the global market. We don't (shouldnt) care what agreements Asia comes to on its own internal politics, but we (should) emphasize that such agreements be made without exchanging volleys of missiles across major lanes of international trade.
>>30219342
>Taiwan
You mean Chinese Taipei?
>Murrilards this bad at global politics
>>30219262
It boggles my mind that people actually try to compare India with China.
India still doesnt have a working sewage system, or even a modernist culture that isnt burning women to death along with their deceased husbands.
India's Mars mission might be impressive, but who has the more robust space infrastructure with more than 100 satellites in orbit and a functioning GPS equivalent, as well as a NOSS ocean surveillance system that is capable of tracking a civilian aircraft inflight? Protip: It aint India.
India is a fucking joke.
Hell, parts of India's butthurt against China is that they still cant get any troops to their Tibetan border because of no infrastructure and corrupt local officials who literally steal the ammo and MREs from the local border defense troops kek.
Sure, they have a bunch of 'Mountain Strike Corps', but what's the matter if they cant even get a single fucking T-72 to Tibet that isnt getting slaughtered by a single PLA infantryman with a HJ-12 ATGM, sitting comfily in his climatized observation post onna mountain?
>>30219275
Because the picture shows fucking trash in the bridge structure?
>>30218796
That really doesn't serve your point to be honest. It's a web article with an intentionally inflaming article posted by a newspaper that built it's image and reader base by looking down on poor people and favoring elitism
>>30219420
>HJ-12 ATGM
Ahh yes, the fabled 1,100 mm penetration (after era) guided meme missile.
>>30219477
Not too special.
It is a 152mm warhead, after all.
China's 90s era HJ-9, which is also a 152mm ATGM, has 1200mm of penetration
>>30219414
We mean the "Rogue Province" which has been de facto independent for decades, lol.
They hold regular elections for their President.
>>30219414
>Chinese Taipei
You mean Taiwan?
>Non-americans this bad at global politics
>>30219414
I mean China, and it's mainland neighbor the CCP.
>>30219420
It's just like watching a boxing match between a cripple and an asthmatic with one arm.
Both are titled champions in a league of blind boxers.
Still a total crap show.
>>30218716
Neither Vietnam or the Philippines created islands out of coral reefs below the surface.
>>30219511
>Not too special.
Its incredibly special.
Its a man portable fire and forget missile with far more penetration than a non portable non fire and forget missile.
>>30219531
>>30219540
>>30219555
>Samefagging this hard
>>30219591
hey, I got trips!
>>30219607
Nice photoedit, fag
>>30219665
>3 min photoedit
Wew lad
>>30218837
They live on a island, seafood on the menu all day every day
>>30219607
>>30219665
>>30219686
Will you both just shut the fuck up.
Nobody gives a shit, stop eating the thread with your meaningless pissing contest.
>>30219511
>China's 90s era HJ-9, which is also a 152mm ATGM, has 1200mm of penetration
It has 1,100 at best conditions before ERA.
It also weighs 10 pounds less total, even with the CLU. It also is F&F, with all the added electronics to the missle itself.
Yet, it has more penetration AFTER ERA.
You are a complete idiot if you believe Chinese claims about the HJ-12
>>30219407
>We are capitalists if nothing else
US is communist* not capitalist
>>30218668
>Yeah the last time we slammed a jet into one of yours was a long time ago!
>So it's totally cool that we keep pulling stupid shit at you right now when every other fucking country in the world conducts air intercepts in a civilized manner.
You don't see F-22s pulling sick epicz barrel rollz man!! over Bears and being reckless shits no reason.
>>30219511
Having 1,100mm Penetration after era would put it up there with pretty top tier mounted systems.
That is incredibly suspect, The fact you said it has a mere 100mm less than a mounted system is pretty ignorant.
>>30219749
Bullshit. Consumer-protected hybrid capitalism. Beyond that it's a matter of where you wanna lean.
>>30219857
This is setting aside the 1200mm claim is against a homogeneous block of an unknown metal in a lab setting.
>>30219965
On the placard on that one export show, it said 1,200 RHA.
Of course, chinese steel, lel
>>30218796
Oh look, a photo of a road collapse after an earthquake. China has never experienced such a thing.
>>30218632
China thinks that whole body of water is theirs, nevermind it brushed right up against so many smaller nations.
>>30220086
It's not just China.
Japan always gets in their pants when China or Russia is just passing the Miyako Strait, an internationally acknowledged transit point that is free for all to use.
>>30218766
>proud of china built infrastructure
look, I'll give China props for having big goals and trying to catch up to the rest of the world because Great Flawless Leader Mao thought he was an expert in everything, but instead wasted a good chunk of your nation's time.
And frankly, China has been on the shit end of the world stick for a good while now, but don't go thinking you have somehow surpassed everyone in your 3 decades of catching up. There's so much rampant corruption in near every facet of your society and there's a good reason why there's such a set-in stone stereotype that all your construction and materials are so shit.
>>30219857
Modern warheads man.
The Russian Kornet, for all accounts and purposes, their lower-tech equivalent to the Javelin/Spike/HJ-12 has over 1000mm of penetration as well - in addition to some 3000m range.
Seriously. The HJ-12 is pretty normal for a missile of its generation, and with 'only' 2000m range.
>>30218811
>Or a Chinese escalator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1q0jtnDQ40
It doesn't even show the whole video. That lady was literally sucked down into it after pushing her kid to safety.
>>30220180
>There's so much rampant corruption in near every facet of your society and there's a good reason why there's such a set-in stone stereotype that all your construction and materials are so shit.
Yeah, as set in stone as "japanese products are crap" that baby boomers still say to this day (because it was true in the 70-80s), or "Made in Germany is bad" as my grandpa's grandpa would have said back when Willhelmine Germany was catching up just as China does today.
As for corruption, it really isnt as bad as any other developmental state.
Speak with the Taiwanese older generation who still lived through the White Terror age of the 70s, or much of ASEAN today and see what real crippling corruption really is.
Hell, Philippines just voted for a Pro-Chinese dictator now, whose main selling argument was that he wants to kill all criminals and corrupt people in his country with extrajudical dead squads.
This tells you how bad their corruption is. Even Mexico isnt that bad that they would vote for a proud mass-murderer.
China's corruption is much more in focus because:
1. It is a good way to make China and all their undisputable achievements of raising a population out of African-tier poverty look bad.
2. Xi Jinping's counter-corruption crusade/purge is bringing out so many previously hidden/unknown cases of corruption, that it appears that China is all corrupt.
China isnt even that high on the international corruption scale.
>>30220222
Again, something that is happening elsewhere as well.
>>30218489
>So, can some fag here explaim me why the US is always whining abotu 'unsafe intercepts'?
Because it endangers peoples lives and really expensive equipment.
Russia and China have in past whined about same thing, but that is rather rare as western and western aligned air forces are generally better trained and more professional.
Back in later parts of Cold War close high speed passes of slower aircraft and ships was banned by both sides because accident could be seen in worst case as deliberate attack and that could trigger a war.
>And fighter jocks around the world like to show off their skills whenever they have the chance.
That would make 'em former fighter pilots in many countries really fast.
>>30220303
How many people died in that one?
because if I search on liveleak I can find dozens of chinese ones. Have to actually look for ones from anywhere else.
>>30220409
>China population
Always a question of numbers.
I can assure you, that in this moment, a Chinese kid is being shredded in pieces by accidentially falling into an industrial meat-grinder somewhere in Hunan Province.
I can also assure you, that a Nignog or Indian is starving to death due to drough this moment.
>>30218606
>Lt. Cdr. Wong Wei
>Wong Wei
IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING?
>>30220476
He is called Wang Wei.
Damn fucking rednecks always misspelling chinese names.
He will forever remembered as the first sacrifice in the defense of China's territories.
>>30218489
Last time a ching chong did that, we lost a reconnaissance plane, the Chinese lost a jet and a pilot, and our boys got stuck in Chicom territory and interrorgated before Bush had to come in to get them out
>>30220552
And China got quite a lot of interesting data on the EP-3, which helped them to build their own SIGINT/ELINT planes.
>>30218716
Would you look at that, it's the Ching Vhong Ling Ding Internet Defense Force
>>30220622
>NO TRUTH ALLOWED ON AMERICAN BOARD
Sure is Nineteen Eighty Four here.
>>30220428
So China is India-tier?
Glad we agree.
>>30220716
In terms of population size? Definitely.
Everything else, nope.
India is little better than subsaharan Africa.
>>30220732
If you're the person I'm responding to, then you may have a disorder if you think people getting grinded to death is somehow superior to people starving.
>>30220756
There are more people starving to death in India than Chinese people grinded to death by odd escalator accidents.
But whatever. Believe in whatever you want.
>>30220773
>odd
Seems pretty fucking normal in China considering their frequency.
and sure, but there also people living in hovels starving in China as well.
>>30220784
How much is "frequent"?
The size of China alone and the numbers of escalators there make this less than 1%, even if you find 100+ entries on liveleak.
But starvation in India? It is a reoccuring thing every year during drough time.
This is something that is completely solved in China ever since the Great Leap Forward, which was the biggest and last Chinese famine.
Did the chink pilot invert and flip them the bird?
>>30220820
That was in 2014.
This time, he was just 100 ft away.
>>30220631
Nice meme! 10/10!
>>30220509
wtf is this
why is there a hot bitch
>>30220998
Chinese military enthusiasts are basically Chinese Otaku.
Planes are usually mecha-girls, while Chinese people themselves are portrayed as bunnies/rabbits due to some meme and inside joke noone understands anymore.
So, the ded bunny is Wang Wei, while the animu girl with the serial number on her thigh is the J-8II that the pilot used to intercept and crash into the EP-3. The tailnumber is the same as Wang Wei's J-8's actual tailnumber, and the Chinese internet are holding an annual memorial for him by drawing all sorts of animu pictures about that incident.
That rabbit stuff is basically China's equivalent to country-balls, as every country has an animal (US are white head eagles, Japan are some sort of pigeon, Russia are brown bears, etc.).
Pic: J-20 mecha girl with a chinese test-pilot getting ahold of all that thickness.
>>30221054
just curious, whats Australia look like?
>>30221208
Some kangaroo of course. But Australia hasnt been receiving a lot screentime, so I dont know (yes, there is actually a web anime).
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%82%A3%E5%B9%B4%E9%82%A3%E5%85%94%E9%82%A3%E4%BA%9B%E4%BA%8B
Pic: Murrca.
>>30221239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsmwbCQbujM
And yes, it is plenty nationalist. But that's not so unusual with anime these days.
Chinese are subhuman scum
Cant wait until Trump becomes president so we can rebuild the military and properly destroy them
Im seriously concerned that if Hillary becomes President China will try and start shit
>>30221456
>Trump
>Not China's favorite President
Hell, Trump will actually help China to grow larger. But good that you sheeples dont know it.
His anti-chinese rhetorics basically is only about trade disputes, while politically, he actually wants to cooperate with China.
>>30221477
We should try and cooperate with everyone
No one wants a fucking war idiot
We make good trade deals, we help our economy and we rebuild the military so we are so strong that no one can fuck with us expect faggot ISIS jihadi scum
Thats what America does
We sell you cool shit and if you fuck with us you die
>>30221498
No, seriously. Hillary is the one China actually would hate. And of course, start shit with.
She cant shut her mouth about human rights and bullshit in China, and would start a war for that reason alone. If there's someone China hates, its those ideological crusaders like her.
Trump is someone they can actually relate with, as a fellow authoritarian. Same with Duderte in the Philippines, Putin in Russia and Park in South Korea.
>>30221536
Trump gets wants our country to be rich, successful and powerful
Hes not into fighting wars unless we will win and we gain something from it (common sense)
Thats why I love Trump's attitude with Putin. I don't really give a shit what kind of government another country has as long as they aren't fucking us out of money or trying to kill us
Ideological liberals and neocons should all jump off a cliff
>>30218489
because converging flight path vectors on a rejoin on an aircraft even when both are on the same frequency (and no, guard doesn't count) with a high line of sight rate is nervous as fuck even when you have a bubble canopy. given that the Chinese have caused a midair collision between one of their fighters and an EP-3, i can understand why they're unsafe.
tl;dr because it was unsafe in just about every possible definition.
>>30218595
I love how their mainland is so far away from fucking Malaysia yet the Chinese say they own water a stones throw from Brunei
>>30219294
Pleb.
Delta Canard best layout.
>>30218489
So in a previous C:MANO thread, anon used SLAM-ERs in an A2A role. The fuck is up with that?
>>30218680
>Americans fly bomber over middle of SCS in accordance with international maritime and airspace laws
>China builds island in middle of said sea in defiance of internationally recognized maritime law.
>US continues to fly over this route and move boats through region in accordance with freedom of navigation and international maritime law
>China: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AMERISHITS FLY OVER LEGITIMATE PEACEFUL CHINESE LANDS AND THREATEN HARMONY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE AGGRESSORS FOR FLYING OVER MADE-UP ISLANDS HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS AWAY FROM RECOGNIZED CHINESE BORDERS!!!!"
Every fucking time
>>30218567
>Handing firearms factories to Trudeau.
Kek.
>>30219136
I'd be willing to trade LA for a fucking handy.
>>30221667
>implying flying Su-24s over American warships in the Baltics isnt completely in accordance to the laws.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE RUSSIA A SHITTT CHINA A SHIIIITT STOP INTERCEPTING AND BUZZING US REEEEEEE
>>30221646
the scenario stands, thats whats up with it
>>30221691
>implying harassing boats with often hazardous maneuvering that have every right to be in international waters is the same as flying a plane over an illegal island
>>30221720
>illegal island
such as Guam and Diego Garcia?
>>30221691
False equivalency for .50c
>>30221692
I mean it was a pretty neat scenario, but I thought SLAM-ERs were land attack and anti-ship missiles.
>>30221733
Nope, it isnt.
It really isnt.
If China's artificial islands arent islands, because illegal, they are then simply naval entitties and included in the Freedom of Navigation rule.
Wait until China parks a flating airbase infront of Hawaii and claim FON as well.
This is the future you chose.
The first one is already under construction kek.
>>30218796
>outdated bridge washed away in a dramatic storm event
>brand new high-rise falling over on its own
notice a difference?
>>30221774
>That Engrish
+0.5c
>>30222086
Yes, that China is still building high rises, while America is spending her money supplying ISIS and building mexican walls.
>>30218745
STILL waiting, 50 nigger
China is literally like the Orks.
busy dredging up coral reefs and disturbing the natural seabed in order to further their expansionist and belligerent island building.
>>30222108
China did not cry about FON Ops you dork. They are crying about American overflying their islands, which is anything but FON, but just naked provocation, no matter the legality of those islands.
>>30222212
The fucking post you made specifically says:
>So, Freedom of Navigation only applies to the US against China now?
At least keep your shill line straight.
>>30221731
We didn't build them, they were always islands.
We built ON them.
And Diego Garcia was British, and before that I believe French or Dutch.
Guam we liberated and have developed the island extensively, and have never denied freedom of navigation for those traveling in accordance of international law about it.
>>30222230
Well, Japan is clearly crying about China and Russia cruising the waters around the Diaoyu islands. They even got so far to protest at the Chinese ambassador. That's ultimate butthurt about China's right to excercise FON in a non-threatening, law-abiding way. After all, China didnt fly over the island with nuclear capable bombers, or over Japanese bases there, but only did a military excercise with Russia in those waters. FON as it can get.
Now, America gets flak in China for doing exactly what China didnt, as I pointed out above. And nothing more. American FON Ops around China's islands are getting shadowed by PLAN ships, but no american ambassador gets invited for tea in Beijing for that.
You see the difference?
>>30222277
Also, check my quad-dubs.
>>30222188
ORKS ARE DA BEST.
PAINT IT RED TA GO FASTA!
Now I understand why I've always liked the PLA.
>>30218698
>Russia only sends an Udaloy, China only two Jiangkai-I
They arent even trying.
Next time, send class-A warships, like the 052D!
>>30218671
China traded a crappy jet and one pilot for a huge intelligence coup.
That's a price any nation would gladly pay, the P-3 had a shit ton of very sensitive stuff inside that the crew couldn't destroy in time.
If the US could grab themselves a J-20 with little political backlash by having a cowboy F16 ram it and force it to land in like Japan or Korea, they would do it in an instant.
I'd think the chinaman here was trolling but trolls don't usually put in this much effort.
Eventually they're going to do this and find out the in the most embarrassing way way, just like that Iranian pilot did, that a raptor was following the plane the whole time. They're going to find out when the chink making faces at the spy plane realizes the guy he's mocking through the window isn't pointing at him but the F-22 casually flying on his wing.
>>30221054
>Holding a yearly memorial for a retard who somehow crashed into a EP-3
You see this is why the US is concerned, its only a matter of time before another chinaman wants to live up to that legacy.
>>30223280
read
>>30222681
He did China a huge service back then in 2001, when Chinese tech was still cold-war tier.
Not every Chinese an-heroe'd pilot is being hailed as Hero.
But Wang Wei is. Because he brought down what can be counted to the Chinese as an UFO full of space-alien tech, ready to exploit.
Even if the EP-3 crew could delete the sensitive data onboard, the Chinese still gleamed enough information to have an idea about their own ELINT systems in development.
>>30221054
So thicc.
>>30222277
>muh japan
Still has absolutely nothing to do with:
>So, Freedom of Navigation only applies to the US against China now?
What's with all the deflection?
>>30223346
Thicc and having larger radar aperture than the F-22 :DDD
>>30220631
>NO TRUTH ALLOWED ON AMERICAN BOARD
No truth allowed would explain the amount of 50 cent posters.
>>30223432
The size of the radar aperture is less relevant than the number and power of its nodes.
>>30223867
Larger array = physical space for more T/R modules.
But true. A recent Chinese science exhibition leaked that the J-20 will possibly have 2200 T/R modules only. Which is not too much compared to the APG-77 of the F-22.
But they are GaN with 24 watt peak, which is a huge plus.
>>30223893
The GaN mono-crystalline substrate material.
>>30221774
>Nope, it isnt.
It really is a false equivalence, neither Russia or the US are claiming other nations EEZ in the Black Sea.
>>30219133
Superbug WSO here, if our plate is within range of potential aggression of any kind we have alert birds on cat 3/4 (usually) we can go from first contact to FL15 in under 2 minutes with the alert payload. Most of the time if we're in range of bears, badgers, or backfires we'll have BARCAP flights and we always have E2 and a few sea hawks in the air.
>>30224088
Black Sea is a bad example. But you dont have to go that far.
Take the Turkroaches and Greece for example. Or a lot other Balkan states.
>>30221731
What makes Guam and Diego Garcia illegal anon
>>30224131
The Black Sea is where Russia's Su-24's like to buzz American destroyers, so it is the only relevant example.
>>30224152
Diego Garcia had indigenous population before they were simply deported off by the Brits.
See, this is why China never will accept your "system of rules". For them, all of your rules is victor's justice and a rigged game constructed by people who committed genocide and aggression first and now attempt to kick down the ladder.
>>30224256
But we didn't export them. We bought the car as is.
The Chinese certainly weren't bitching about international law back when this shit was signed. None of this is new, it's been like this basically since living memory. They only are complaining now because of resources.
The fact is the west post-WW2 has worked to END colonialism. There are treaties and stuff. The euros act to help their former colonies be stable (Mali for an instance), and there is considerable migration from said colonies (see how many Indians are in London and Algerians in Paris). Colonialism is not the state of the modern world, and the West has acted to prevent ye olde "murder brown people and take their shit and land" method of conquering.
Even American "imperialism" is friendly as shit. It usually involves a small company or regiment being sent to your own base to help train, and mutually beneficial trade. Even in Iraq, America recieved few oil contracts (Britain and China got more).
Building up islands, claiming an entire sea that accounts for about a third of all trade, and all the resources in that area is blatant expansionism and imperialism out of touch with modern geopolitics.
>>30224256
>Diego Garcia had indigenous population before they were simply deported off by the Brits.
French/British colonists on a previously uninhabited island is not an indigenous population, nor is it genocide.
>>30224346
>American imperialism
>friendly
stop
>>30224369
"imperialism"
China occupying Tibet is imperialism, America having a defense treaty with and military bases in Japan is not.
Usually it's the Russians that intercept the rj or combat sent. Now China is doing it more often. It's funny when being on the open skies in Russia and then hearing about one of these intercepts. Sometimes I want to ask the Russians we are with why they do it
>>30223432
Upper plane has more rivets. Stealth lol.
>>30225353
I doubt you counted.
>>30224475
>Open skies
You know about Open Skies not for general military or spy planes, right? Just limited, regulated flights with certified aircrafts.
>>30223911
>3rd gen semiconductor core technology material
What does that mean?
>>30225353
those aren't rivets dumb-ass.
>>30218489
>So, can some fag here explaim me why the US is always whining abotu 'unsafe intercepts'?
Because a few years ago a Chinese fighter crashed into a P-3 during an intercept; the idiot Chinese pilot died and the P-3 crew survived, but it was a close call and the P-3 crew did have to make an emergency landing at a Chinese airport where they were detained.
The other thing too is that the Chinese fighters can eject (generally), the dozen guys in a P-3 or P-8 can't.
>It is not that they flew barrel rolls at 50 feet around that spy plane this time, unlike in 2014, so this intercept is actually pretty tame.
The specific complaint is that they came in rapidly, before aggressively pulling in alongside the US aircraft. That means that the Chinese pilot has less margin of error. It's like if a car came towards you at 150mph and swerved around you; sure it swerved far enough around you, but what if he'd blown a tire or the road was wet? In the context of the intercept, what if he misjudged his distance and turned too late? What if he couldn't turn fast enough due to the Gs?
>>30223893
The F-22 has about 1950 T/R modules
As for power though, keep in mind that if you double the power of the radar, the detection range only increases by 2^(1/4) or 19%. RCS and antenna gain (sensitivity) are more important.
So either the chinks are top gunning it with hot heads as their entire pilot force
or they suck at flying
>>30219420
>but what's the matter if they cant even get a single fucking T-72 to Tibet that isnt getting slaughtered by a single PLA infantryman with a HJ-12 ATGM, sitting comfily in his climatized observation post onna mountain?
>HJ-12 max range: 4 km
That chink gets smoked by the T-72 no problem.
>>30220280
>China isnt even that high on the international corruption scale.
The Transparency International Index (biggest measure of corruption) takes what people PERCEIVE as corruption and turns it into a scale. Therefore, If you had to bribe mexican cops to avoid jail, it would be high but if you went to japan and paid somone off for a business deal (socially acceptable there or in Saudi) then it would count as no corruption despite it being obviously true.
Same for political corruption, America is by far the most oligarchal (terms of corparate control alone. Russia compares but with state control.) political system and could realistically is a corporatocracy. However, political contributions aren't 'corruption' by this index as most people believe (wrongly) that it's not corruption.
Fyi, Corruption is taking personal benefits from someone in order to abuse public power. Certainly party political contributions or "speakers fees" would count as this.
TLDR: The TPI is good for "peceptions" of how corrupt a country is by the average person, but in reality shows little about the scale and number of corrupt agreements.
>>30221562
>Ideological liberals and neocons should all jump off a cliff
Yup. All porkies' shills. We should do what is good for the economy and the people in it, not blindly follow ideology *sniff*
>>30218973
>that poured straight onto the surface tarmac
>not fucking shameful
I've seen paddies do a better job of driveways mate.
>>30219224
>rather than compulsory purchasing a single building for the good of many
>they build a retarded road around it
So they have all the disadvantages of a one party state, but none of the benefits?
>>30224256
>See, this is why China never will accept your "system of rules". For them, all of your rules is victor's justice and a rigged game constructed by people who committed genocide and aggression first and now attempt to kick down the ladder.
Thats literally US foreign policy, but the rest of the world mostly don't bother protesting because it (mostly) benefits us.
In other words, if you don't try to be a superpower and don't mind occasional US dickwaving, you'll be fine. If however you do have world (or even theatre) domination aspirations, muh FON will happen to you.
Its funny how many people can not look at foreign relations from an outsider's pov.
>>30224233
What are american destoyers doing in the black sea, I wonder?
Would usaf not buzz an udaloy in the cheasapeake (the fuck do you spell that) bay?
>>30227982
>What are american destoyers doing in the black sea, I wonder?
>Would usaf not buzz an udaloy in the cheasapeake (the fuck do you spell that) bay?
Hmm, maybe it's because the Black Sea is shared by many American allies whereas the Chesapeake bay is owned by Americans? Think a little!
>>30228089
>mfw I forget to denote irony on the internet
It would've been more clear if I had said it aloud, I guess.
But on a more serious note, of course I know the cheesewhatever bay is basically inland US. For a more realistic comparison, lets say a US destroyer is 50 miles off the turk coast of Samsun - thats easily within turkish waters so its all cool, right?
Well, at the same time its also 150 miles off the russian coast at Novorossiysk.
So lets say "thats all cool".
Then, using the same metric, lets look at the Russians paying a friendly visit to their longtime ally Cuba. Lets say an Udaloy or maybe just a Grisha wants to drive all the way up to Havanna. That oughta be cool, don't it? By your reasoning, it would be.
The problem, of course, in this case is the Bahamas. Following the same rule and staying three quarters of the availiable water away from "the others", in order to not run aground on South Bimini island (think Port Royal), they would be passing Miami and the Keys at a range of just about 20 miles. You BET the yanks would be mad.
Now I get that thats a WHOLE lot closer to shore than the whole black sea situation, but really thats the only reasonable way to do it. Other possible options include crossing the Bahamas shallow waters (lolno), turks/caicos passage (fuck that, theres probably more shipwrecks there than in the Bermuda triangle) or going all the way around between the domRep and Puerto Rico or even further and coming into the Caribbean byway of Martinique and the like (which would be literally 1000s of miles of detours, Russians be like "are you kidding me". Also those countries just might have objections as well).
And now imagine the american butthurt if the russkies actually tried to sail into the gulf of Mexico - because muh FON? Is it not shared by the communist ally of Cuba?
Just for the record, I am playing satan's avocado here. In case yall think I am serious. Not even sure if there's a hook on this worm.
>>30228305
Except the US has let foreign warships pass by its waters all the time, such as ships having to pass through the bering strait, which brings them extremely close to Alaska.
>>30228421
is that so
>>30228446
It is.
The US watches, does not harras, does not bother.
Because the US is PROFESSIONAL. Other countries clearly are not.
https://news.usni.org/2015/09/03/chinese-warships-made-innocent-passage-through-u-s-territorial-waters-off-alaska
>“The five PLAN ships transited expeditiously and continuously through the Aleutian Island chain in a manner consistent with international law,” according to a Thursday statement provided to USNI News by U.S. Northern Command.
USN talks the talk and walks the walk.
>>30218671
I hope they aren't paying you more than $.05, that is some low quality internet defense.
>>30218489
My gf is a private pilot; 100 ft is pretty damn close. It's worse in bad weather, and there's no damn reason to get that close
>>30218682
>>30218767
well as long if theres wifi I guess
>>30219098
>Learning mandarin
>Read the entire fucking thing
Well, shit.
>>30219756
>>30218489
Frankly I find it embarassing that Americans are getting so bent out of shape over Russians and Chinese not following OSHA guidelines.
I mean jesus christ, just because it is against regulations doesn't mean there is actually any real danger. When did my country become such a whore for strict adherence to the rules?
