I have been looking into buying my first assault rifle, and I found these parts kits.
Now I'm a very technically inclined person, so putting together a gun is no problem- but I'm seeing all this stuff involving demilling, self-manufactured receivers, and other things that just seem too complicated, can I get some help as an explanation. You can use this post as a thread for kit guns too.
>>30213529
>salt rifle
You're going to need more than just skills, especially for aks.
>>30213553
Explain?
think of it like two components- the parts kit and the receivers.
parts kits are just like they sound, parts to complete your rifle- sometimes they include barrels, sometimes they dont so pay attention to that.
the second part, receivers, hold everything together. they can come completely unfinished (literally a block of aluminum) to all the way finished (all holes drilled, heat treated, etc.).
what kind of gun youre putting together and what kind of receiver you have will dictate how much work has to go into it.
>>30213572
>>30213572
At the least you'll need a workshop with a press, dremel, riveting tools and other dandy little tools. just go and buy a wasr or something and stop trying to be a special snowflake.
If you really want to build one yourself, then build an ar.
>>30213614
Not trying to be a snowflake, trying to be a guy with a budget of $417 that wants a real AK
"ASSAULT RIFLE" **TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!!!!***
>>30213674
>budget of $417
Even if you had all the tools required you're still not going to build an AK on that budget. Sub $300 parts kits are all but extinct and you still need to buy a barrel, receiver flat, rivets, center support, and any other 922r parts.
>>30213674
Unless you already have the several hundred dollars worth of specialty tools you'll need to build an AK, you're going to be way beyond that $417 budget.
>>30213612
While shovel ak is cool, this is a more appropriate build example.
>>30213674
>$417
not going to happen. an ar15 on the other hand, you could get for that price and assemble yourself using simple hand tools
>>30213674
tools alone costs about $650-750, its not just "i bought a kit and toss it onto a receiver with a couple tools" like an AR
>>30213529
AK kits take a lot of tools that cost a good bit of money, along with specialty things that cost a good bit of money (~$40 for just a fuckin headspace gauge)
It takes a whole lot of research and dedication to get whats in your pic, to a fully working machine that is not going to explode in your face. And that means a fuckload of upstart cost. For most, its just not worth it, due to the fact you can buy an Arsenal SLR-107 shipped to your FFL and transfer fee paid for, for cheaper than it is to put that together. (unless you have access to a full machineshop, complete with hydraulic press, bridgeport mill, and welding equipment)
The pic you show has the original barrel, which is also very uncommon and more expensive (usually ~$600, the cost of a new, completely built, fully functioning WASR10) due to one of the cunt presidents that decided importing kits with barrel would cut money out of big domestic gun-manuf's who donated to their campain.
tl;dr: you want a kit? Get an AR15 kit. AK kits are not the easiest to build.
>>30213677
AR, Medium- caliber rifle, slav-cannon, rooty-tooty-point-and-shooty. Whatever you call it. I just chose the most general statement
>>30213760
80% ak receivers no longer come with the second set of rails spotwelded in, and I want to say they can no longer come with the plastic drillpoint printout attached either.
>>30213780
>unless you have access to a full machineshop
I've built mine in my living room.
>>30213760
Eh, if he waits for barrel and parts kit sales and buys Toth tools he could probably make one for about 500ish. Would be neat if a /k/ommando decides to make a spot welder out of a microwave transformer as that would be the most cost besides the parts kit
>>30213529
The only reason I'm building my AK is because I'm getting a shit ton of money from school, I'm an ME major so I'll use presses, drill press/mill, and welding stuff later anyways, and I know its not a walk in the park. Built a galil and I learned its time consuming, slow, and if you rush it you'll fuck something up.
![k31_angled_ca_1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JXJDm6G.png "k31_angled_ca_1[1].png")
Closest thread I could find to post this in:
Has anyone bought one of these cracked-stock K31s? I'm curious as to just how cracked they are.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/swiss-k-31-carbine-rifle
>>30213798
That guy dimpled his own receiver.
I'm pretty sure he did all the work, including spot welding the rails in.
>In some of the pics you can see no welds and they're there in others.
Regardless, it's just to point out to the OP that it's not exactly easy to build an AK.
>>30213813
>I've built mine in my living room.
Not gonna touch this can of worms, just gonna think OP isn't as big an idiot as you.
>>30213819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrlvqib94xQ&ab
>>30213862 was supposed to be for >>30213817
How hard would it be for a complete beginner to do something like an M31? I can afford to buy whatever tools are needed but where would I
>>30213857
Don't worry, the first Polish underfolder I built still headspaces fine after ~800 rounds.
>>30213817
>Kit is $417
>Total build around $500ish
Highly doubtful.
Even if he got deals on everything, I'd bet he'd easily hit $1k before all was said and done.
>>30213767
There's no way you could build a competitive AR for $417. Unless you're using a polymer lower, and even then, you're probably going to go above the budget. The lowest cost self-built AR would probably be closer to $600.
OP, if all you have to play with is the exact amount of $417, then you should really consider saving a little longer and build your own AR/buy a cheap AK or waiting until your financial situation is better so that you don't end up spending away your rent money and having to blow some dude for cash.
>>30213529
I would recommend getting a kit like that with the barrel already assembled. Other than that you need a 12 ton press a reciever (nodak spud makes good ones) and some little jigs it's really not that hard at all.
>>30213741
>>30213780
Okay, so second question.
Do kits exist where everything is included, but it is not assembled and I do it myself? This can go outside just an AK- because I just want a surplus gun to assemble
>>30213875
a sten mk ii would be easier i think. there are vertical feeding tubes and bolts. ive been wanting to make one.
>>30213882
>800 rounds
Wow, great work.
Now put another 4000 through it and come back.
>If you still have a face
>>30213875
Is that a complete kit?
/k/'s favorite trap and ak builder is currently not in the business.
though I happen to know another guy who has the tooling. though I don't know if he is up to having /k/ommandos at his house. He is normie.
>>30213889
No parts kit is going to include a receiver. You either build that or buy it and have it shipped to a FFL.
>>30213906
Is something the matter? Polish parts are very well made, and drilling and reaming a hole for a barrel pin really isn't rocket science.
>>30213741
>Implying Joe Schmoe builds 922r compliant AKs from parts kits
>Implying your local dog killers spot check peoples rifles for 922r compliance parts
>Implying anyone other than bootlickers and professional gunsmiths/companies care about 922r compliance
Build the gun with parts YOU want anon. I've literally never had Johny Law come up to me and check the parts on my rifle for 922r compliance when I'm at the range or innadesert/innawoods. As long as the gun isn't used in self defense or in crime then NOBODY will ever know what parts are in it.
>>30213882
>Just smash that shit with a 3lb welders hammer until the rear rivetholes dimple
I know you fgt, werent you the guy who also suggested to people to just MIG weld that shit together, trunnions n all?
>>30213875
way above your head. thats even more difficult than the AK kit, due to the fact its open bolt, and you have to modify it to fire from closed bolt.
>>30213884
>The lowest cost self-built AR would probably be closer to $600.
this is realistic.
>$40 Andersens lower + $25-35 FFL transfer
>$20 AR multiwrench and $15 torquewrench from Hazard Weight
>$399 for PSA Premium 20" complete upper
>$20 CH
>$185 LMT/Colt BCG
>$60 Stag LPK with buffer tube
>$20 BCM stock
>$40 FagPul BUIS
what does that come out to?
OP, you are better off saving your money and buying a WASR10 in person, so you can check for mag wobble and canted sights.
>>30213961
>lower receiver
It's just a receiver, there is no upper ARfag.
>>30213985
I caught that after I posted
forgive me
im retarded.
>>30213997
All good. Just hit my autism button.
>>30213971
>I know you fgt, werent you the guy who also suggested to people to just MIG weld that shit together, trunnions n all?
Not at all. I use the AK Builder tools, and even though the spot welder and hydraulic press I have are from high quality Harbor Freight, they've worked out well so far.
>>30213941
So I could get an un-assembled rifle, and just have to pay a transfer fee?
>>30213529
If you are buying a parts kit in America then it's not an "assault rifle" retard. kys
>>30213889
>Do kits exist where everything is included, but it is not assembled and I do it myself?
No.
>>30213889
>This can go outside just an AK- because I just want a surplus gun to assemble
I have no experiece with them, but there are IMBEL FAL kits out there that are supposed to be pretty much bolt together, headspace, and good-to-go. Only hard part is getting the receiver, and it tends to be pricy. There is a forum that usually does a 100-piece run on IMBEL-brand IMBEL receivers, but it only takes place every 1-2 years, and they just had their run finish 3 months ago.
>>30213941
Polish is right up there on quality. I personally think their manufacturing is better quality (viewable to the eye, aka no/less machining marks, better/tighter fitment of parts, etc) than all other combloc countries. Prolly has to do with the factory workers better overall quality-of-life, a la no 'haha, you go to gulag'.
>>30213961
>The lower receiver is the part the ATF actually considers a gun
dont blanket statement that. The upper receiver on FALs and HK rifles are considered the firearm.
>>30214028
still got your headspace gauge?
>>30214055
>dont blanket statement that. The upper receiver on FALs and HK rifles are considered the firearm.
I deleted it because I misspoke, meant to just say 'receiver'
>>30213884
>http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-m4-melonite-freedom-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html
>http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-freedom-lower-build-kit.html
>http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-223-5-56-bolt-carrier-group-nitride-qpq.html
>http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/anderson-ar-15-stripped-lower-receiver-multi-cal-ar15a3lwfor-661799410182?a=2044490&CJ=1&cjaffilid=4084797&cjaffsite=Slickguns+Inc&cjadv=CJTSGUSA&cjadvid=1522857&utm_source=Slickguns+Inc&utm_medium=CJ&utm_campaign=SPG+Product+Catalog+-+SportsmansGuide.com
>http://www.amazon.com/Rousch-Sports%C2%AE-Mil-Spec-Complete-Assembly/dp/B01GGAT4WC?ie=UTF8&keywords=ar%2015%20charging%20handle&qid=1465439995&ref_=sr_1_4&sr=8-4
>$421
granted, there will be shipping costs on some of the items, transfer fee, and no rear sight or magazine, but im only $5 away- and it is a functional AR with aluminum recivers and all new parts.
scrounge for used parts and it can get lower.
$417 isnt ideal but in todays market, its doable
>>30214043
See >>30213797
KMS? KYS.
>>30214055
Yeah I've still got both, I'm eyeing some of those new production WBP kits that AoA has in stock so they still have some use in my toolkit besides helping me sleep at night.
Forgot to mention, I had found this: http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/spanish-cetme-model-c-rifle-parts-set.aspx
What exactly is missing from it?
>>30213953
b-but das illegal! YOU h-HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAW OR ELSE!! P-PLEASE CASTRATE YOURSELF FOR US!
>>30214118
>new production WBP kits
for what purpose? it doesnt even come with furniture for that price....
why not a AK74 kit with furniture from Rguns for ~$299? Its slav-surplus, so it doesnt need a 59-point inspection its bolt - it was made by drunken slavs on military tooling.
>>30214162
Please give your estrogen manufacturing organs then
>>30214153
A barrel, MIG welder, a $400 flat-bending jig, semi-auto trigger pack, various semi-only parts ~$50, mags, a feeler gauge set from autozone, and prolly a new set of rollers ~$40, 12 ton press, and a flat ~$80
Im tellin ya, its not economical to build on yourself. Manufacturers like Century literally price their rifles the same as what it would cost to buy all the parts to put 1 kit together for average joe, or just a bit cheaper.
>>30214167
I already have two Bulgarian 74 kits waiting to be built, I would buy a WBP kit just because I like new things and wouldn't feel bad about putting polymer on it.
>>30214210
Okay, you made me switch.
So what should I do with the money? I want to get a new surplus rifle that is covered in cosmoline or grease so I have an excuse to completely tear it apart and I want to have my first semi-auto rifle. What would you suggest outside the SKS?
>>30214252
You wanted an AK, so get an AK.
your price range is $421, so save up and get a WASR10 you can inspect in person. Go look up how and what to check for with a WASR, and then go do it without spilling spaghetti out of your pockets everywhere.
>>30213529
Do you have a drill press, mill, lathe, and a shop press to make all the tools and fixtures you will need for building an AK?
If not, you'll need to buy them.
>>30214252
why not the sks?
but i agree with the guy above, dont settle for a gun you only kind of want because youre short a small amount of money.
eat less, spend less, sell shit, whatever you have to do. youre not too far away and at $600, your ak options open up a lot
>>30213612
This is amazing
>>30213674
Get a reciever, have parts from parts kit, send it to an FFL to make it for you
![20160107_204546~2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uMoZCia.jpg "20160107_204546~2[1].jpg")
>>30214332
>>30214284
If that's the case I believe I could make up the difference with a trade. I got a Type 38 that has quite the story behind it, and that could definitely bring up its price
>>30214252
>So what should I do with the money?
Donate it to an organization like the NRA that will use it to battle Jews in the American federal government so that we may have nice things.
>>30214375
do you not have a source of income? a WASR is like maybe 100 above your budget
>>30214375
>selling/trading anything besides extremely common shit
no. you will regret it later. But do tell us the story, its not everyday you get some OC on 4chinz /k/
>>30213817
Building is much more involved if you start with an 80% blank or flat.
If he wants to buy a 100% receiver he can probably whip something together that won't explode on the first shot. (Assuming he buys headspace gauges or buys a pre-headspaced kit).
![20160107_183656~2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l0WjtLC.jpg "20160107_183656~2[1].jpg")
>>30214393
I think I did a thread on it before, but I don't mind telling stories:
So we had this guy who lived at our house out in the country (outside city limits area) and he apparently had a father or grandfather who fought in WWII. He knows me as the guy who can fix, clean, and find anything on any firearm; so to my surprise he tells me about a rifle his father brought back with him from the war that he had in a shed for the longest time and he wanted me to clean it up, find info on it, and find ammunition.
The thing is, he was saying how he thought this rifle was a german gun because of the weird markings on it (He wasn't the brightest hillbilly I've ever seen). Well, when he brought it out to give to me the last time I went shooting up there, I was surprised to see this Japanese rifle- completely rusted and dirty, in front of me. I spent the following weeks taking the thing apart, cleaning it over (This thing had live roaches living in its cracks), researching it, and oiling it up to my greatest ability. Currently the thing moves like butter and discovered nice red wood underneath the dirt and filth. While cleaning it, I had noticed that the rifle had some hand- carved markings on the bottom of the stock- definitely a surprise for me
typing next part right now
>>30214528
aint even heard the rest, but you are a fool if you trade/sell that thing for anything. legit piece of tangible history.
>>30213817
>spotwelder from microwave transformer
/k/ommandos have been instructed on making welders out of car batteries and coat hangers.
(RIP salesbro)
>>30213674
>>30213572
>>30213529
![20160107_204851[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zjzKPdu.jpg "20160107_204851[1].jpg")
>>30214528
After finding these markings, I spent some time with my friends trying to translate it and found something real interesting about the rifle
The text wasn't Japanese.
When we sent it through the translator, we found that it wouldn't work with Japanese.
So we tried whatever oriental language we could, and after a bit of work, and hand sketching the symbols to make it easier for the camera to pick it up, we found the language it worked with.
Chinese.
When translate, we got two variations-
"Big East" and "The Big Eastern"
When we saw this we decided to dive a bit deeper into conflicts that could have happened between japan and china that could have a relation to a "Big East".
What we found was that "Big East" was referring to "The Great Eastern Conflict"- which is the name the Chinese had given to a war known as:
The "Second Sino-Japanese War", which occurred before the second world war and ended at the same time.
With all this information combined:
>American had brought this weapon back with him
>Early model Type 38
>Chinese writing referring to earlier war
>Heavily scarred stock from battle
>Taken out of the pacific theater
We had finally put together the puzzle:
This rifle, an early model type 38 arisaka, was used in the Second Sino-Japanese war by a Japanese soldier, captured by a Chinese soldier and marked by said Chinese soldier, recaptured by a Japanese soldier to be used in the Pacific theater of WWII, and Captured by an American soldier to be brought back to America- where it laid in a shed for the rest of its life...
Until now.
The guy has recently abandoned our rental house in the country after avoiding paying rent and leaving the house an absolute mess- and disappeared. The rifle is now owned by me to this day, and I make sure the thing is nice and clean whenever I get the time.
Still trying to get some ammo for it to test its overall operating condition
Just happy its in better care now. Even if it is the care of an 18 year-old boy.
![20160107_204928[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kFBli3Z.jpg "20160107_204928[1].jpg")
>>30214796
Here's a better view of the back piece of the rifle, this one has the extended bulge that for some reason later rifles don't have
>>30213529
>assault rifle
"No"
>>30214839
go easy on the noobs. Their eyes are still opening.
>>30214055
Lmao those fal receivers by themselves cost more than dumb op's budget. He will need at least the barrel clamp vice thing tools which arent that cheap either.
You dont just snap them together like an ar faggots.
>>30213529
So has anyone here built a PPSH-41? I found an almost finished receiver (all finished, but still in the white), and I'm on the fence. How much work has to go into it, and are there any special tools?
Also, for other guns, does anyone have experience with Hellbox Armory and they're 80%s for both the Sten and Beretta M38A? Could I finish them with a drill press?
>>30214861
Are you retarded?
>>30214938
Maybe, but why don't you tell me what you call them.
>>30214796
Bore pics?
also, explain the "71"
1871?
71st regimen?
![20160107_205041[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/at9T8Ds.jpg "20160107_205041[1].jpg")
>>30214966
That part I have no clue on, we have nothing to go on regarding the 71
As for the bore pics- it'll have to wait until it is daytime here. 12:00 AM where I'm at. I'll take some pictures for sure
>>30213883
>nah he's talking out of his-
>prices for kits got that high
haha, an AR is fine too
>>30214796
>>30215022
Damn that is a wild story. You're proper fucked on ammo though.
>>30215022
>>30214821
Other Anons can Chime in, but That is probably the earliest Type 38 I have ever seen. The Extended nub on the back of the bolt was omitted early in production, I want to say mid 1930's, so it's correct, Uncommon, but correct.
The Rifle is a Series-less Koshikawa, based on the serial number, and lack of any hard production numbers, I would put that rifle at being manufactured no later than 1912. probably, if they produced consistently, around 1908-09 (Production started in 1906). The Interesting thing, is the Two 0's in front of the serial number. A double or tripple Zero indicates a rifle that was removed from service, and usually given to a school. My Theory based on the rifle itself, is that while it was captured by the Chinese, when the Japanese Captured it back, instead of re-issuing it, it was given to a school. The Vet probably picked it up during the occupation, this theroy is strengthened by the mum being ground off, the Chinese never would have done that, and mums were only ground after the surrender of Japan.
My guess is that the "71" is simply a rack number used by the School.
I love type 38's this is the first one I ever bought, which is also a Series-less Koshikawa (Mine has the nub too). I picked it because of the carving in the stock, which I found out translates to "For Instructor use Only"
>>30215212
Thats pretty legit.... Shame on you for even having the idea of trading it.
>>30215445
I'm not the same anon, I would never trade mine, even though it doesn't work
>>30214078
Underrated
>>30213529
OP,
I skipped reading the thread so this might already be covered but this is my opinion on going this route after having built multiple different guns before (FAL, AK74, ARs, etc).
Do not go this route for your first assault rifle. Especially the AK. The biggest drawback to this is the price and quality of the parts kits. No longer can you find kits with matching barrels for cheap which made the AK a fairly simple build. But other than that, it requires special tooling that is not cost effective at all. I managed to not buy the tooling required but that's because I used to be an aircraft mechanic and I improvised by using a rivet gun and many homemade dies.
If you are dead set on a build then go with an AR. It will be cheaper and you can't really mess it up. In the end you'll have a better rifle and then you'll want to keep upgrading it.
>>30213741
>following 922r
>>30213529
Ok so I didn't read all of the thread replies so forgive me if I'm repeating some information, but the bottom line is that you build an AK, whereas you assemble an AR. Building an AR is like big boy legos, all the parts fit and there is a standard procedure for putting them together with minimal tooling. Building an AK requires a lot of filing and fitting and far more specialized skill and tools.
A demilled (or dewatted for britbongs) receiver has been deactivated in a big way, usually by welding a bunch of metal in, or cutting it into a bunch of pieces. Re-milling (for lack of a better word) will at minimum involve welding and grinding and basically a decent amount of metalworking. Worth it if you're a mobster trying to get an illegal full auto, I guess, but a pain in the ass and a huuuuuge stretch for the layman.
An 80% receiver (the idea being a receiver isn't legally a gun per the ATF if it's only 80% completed or less) is the better option for the hobbyist, but it requires some beginner-level machining. There are many ways for an AK receiver to be 80% that require different tools and procedures to complete, but all of them require skill and investment in specialized tooling. It would be substantially easier than trying to piece together a shredded receiver, but still a tough process that requires some knowledge of metalworking, and that's just for the receiver.
Bottom line is it's harder and more expensive than you think.
>>30213529
Super glue will work fine.
>>30215445
Yeah, in all honesty the more I think about it the more likely I wont do that.
![20160609_123134[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GXX0Mf3.jpg "20160609_123134[1].jpg")
>>30215212
Got a few more pictures- yeah I had thought it looked quite off
![20160609_123722[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2abaObG.jpg "20160609_123722[1].jpg")
>>30214966
Got some, I had a hard time getting a good single picture with my phone so I took a few
![20160609_123654[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/obXgECb.jpg "20160609_123654[1].jpg")
>>30218350
![20160609_123341[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AEjyvOE.jpg "20160609_123341[1].jpg")
>>30218342
Here's a better picture of the metal writing on top
>>30215445
This. And for a fucking knock-off AK? Anon needs to get his head checked.
>>30218241
[modern gun] will always be available at roughly the current price. Save whatever your parents are paying you to mow the lawn and you'll get it eventually.
>>30218398
Graduation, and yeah- I understand that now. Got an employer at a gun shop interested in me so I will see about doing that
>>30214375
nobody who buys wwII guns believes the fishing stories. was that Hirohito's?
>>30218485
Fishing stories? Hirohito? What are you on about? I'm not planning on getting rid of it anytime soon now that I've been talked out of it
>>30214796
or, just a jap rifle that was captured in china, and sold to american soldier tourists like everything else from the period. sorry man
>>30218514
Implying that's not cool enough as it is. That gun traveled across the world to reach his sweaty teenage hands.
>>30218514
I can support my statement. The soldier who brought it back had never went near the Chinese territories
>>30218547
oh no doubt its very nice. just don't get your hopes up for $900
>>30218547
I wouldn't say sweaty, I made sure that I was dry and clean when cleaning it
>>30218566
That guy wasnt me, I'm not planning on getting rid of it anymore
>>30213971
I've built a Suomi. Semi-auto bolt I bought from a gun dealer friend, who bought a semi-auto and converted it to a F/A on his SOT. After buying a stripped receiver on GB and a parts kit that was on sale and the semi-auto parts my dealer had, I came under the price of a current semi-auto on GB.
It can be done, but if you have to buy a new semi-auto bolt and parts, you're going to pay up the cooter.
>>30218573
You're 18, you're sweating like a motherfucker right now. It only seems normal to you. But yeah, just bantz.
>>30213875
mine is still in a box disassembled after about 2 years, that magwell is impossible without a mill
