>when we say military grade we mean...
That when you need a new tire you throw the truck out and order a new one from a contractor?
New f-150 "military grade"
Dream on
What are these huge trucks actually for?
>>30213632
The times when I've needed to be able to tow a small car, or fill the bed with gravel, or haul furniture, or carry large amounts of lumber. That's when it's nice to have a full size pickup truck.
>>30213632
I tow an 18' trailer twice a month 650 miles, each way. However I am driving a far larger truck than something like OP's post
>>30213600
Depends how you wanna define it. 6061-T6 aluminum is military grade. Various SAE and ASTM standards are comparable (or exceed) military standards, and so on.
stupid fucking trucks, just god awful things to work on.
>>30213669
Bullshit, that truck has a tiny bed.
That looks more like a truck for the guy who wants a truck to drive around like a normal car, aka a retard.
>>30213705
https://youtu.be/BTm2F4ysQrE
>>30213845
>DROPPING pavers into the bed of a truck
who actually does that?
>>30213845
I don't think you understand what I was saying. The words "military grade" apply to a variety of standards. Like the wheel studs must be case hardened to a depth between .004 and .012in thick. That is a military grade standard (and a SAE one).
>>30213845
all post 2000s trucks sold in America are mall cruisers.
>>30213829
Na, that's a standard 6ft bed, the cab is just ridiculously oversized.
>>30213632
moving a lawnmower, quad, washer/dryer, couch, boxes, fertilizer, sod, tiles, furniture, lumber, parts, bicycles, scrap, gear, whatever.
getting from A to B in shit tier conditions
I drive a Tacoma. Most days I wish I bought a Civic or some shit, but it's really fucking nice to just be able to throw whatever the fuck I need in the back and go about my business.
It's nice for gym clothes, too. I can just throw the mesh bag in the bed without stinking up the cab.
If memory serves, in 2016 I've moved a full dining room set, two couches, a love seat, 300lbs of aggregate, a fuckton of boxes from two moves,
Also, taking deer without a pickup is pretty shit. With a bed you just drop it off at the processor. They wrap up a few choice pieces and the rest gets split between what they can sell and charity. Then you just hose off the bed. It takes a while for the blood smell to go away, but after a while it's fine. It keeps critters away, too.
>>30213904
Full bed is 8ft, but I get your point. Now those 4' beds are pretty cute.
>>30213932
Not for the F150. The "standard" bed is 6ft (or 6.5, I forget) and 8 is a "Extension".
>>30213960
KEK, really? Get fucked Ford.
>>30213960
>>30213982
Well how about that. Their standard frame regular cab bed length is 78", with regular cab extended frame at 96". So basically they rebranded the short frame as standard frame.
>>30213829
I don't have an F-150, I wouldn't know.
>>30213632
>F150
>huge truck
>truck at all
NO.
>>30213902
Toyoda makes trucks too anon
>F150
>Not ranger
>>30214046
A lot of people don't use the new standard 150 as a work truck, that's what the extended editions and the 250/350 are for. Especially since most people can't afford them for work, so it'll be a company truck.
>>30213632
Small penis compensation/little man syndrome. Allow me to explain, and no I don't think this applies to guns as much since guns have a legitimate purpose.
Dude buys a big ass school bus with a swimming pool attached to the back, he spends more money on it and pays more for gas just so he can haul air 99.9% of them time. How often do you see trucks hauling stuff? It would be more economical to rent a truck when you need to haul or tow shit. But the dude wants to be the biggest thing on the road because he feels small in person. When hes on the road, he's powerful and relatively anonymous.
And don't give me that shit that they're for off-road. Those trucks are designed to haul, not off-road. A subaru or rav4 would be better in those situations, ideally a Jeep or modified small truck but again you had better be able to justify it. How often do you off-road and do you think the paths you take really necessitate a rock-crawler? On-path is not off-road... and those big ass trucks can't even fit on any path I've seen.
>>30213632
The same purpose a compact sedan serves in every other nation in the world.
>>30213632
Step it up americans.
>>30214269
>A subaru or rav4 would be better in those situations,
no
>>30214269
What happened to buying and owning whatever the fuck you want because that's what you want? Who cares if someone wants to drive an impractical vehicle around. If that's what they want to do then why not. I'd love to take a look at your gun collection and apply the logic you just used on it.
>new trucks
>anything more than infotainment monstrosities with cargo space
>>30214324
Because it endangers other drivers and fucks with my environment. I won't get into global warming, but it's a fact that vehicles pump out toxic chemicals. Many of which harm hormone production in young males, hence the prevalence of cucks.
Those trucks are too high and the headlights blind other drivers. They are heavier and have more momentum meaning they take longer to slow down, increasing the chance of collision, which with a normal sized car will be devastating to the other driver.
>>30214269
>Dude buys a big ass anti material rifle with a hubble telescope attached to the top, he spends more money on it and pays more for ammo just so he can shoot paper 99.9% of the time. How often do you see guns shooting people?
You logic applies exactly the same to guns and you are a huge faggot.
>>30214362
After reading this post I'm now convinced we should have a system for cars like we do for guns. If you want the really fun, big, heavy cars you have to prove you can be trusted with them (not unlike full-auto)
>>30214334
I bet any money a Kid rock cassette is stuck in the tape cassette
>>30213960
I miss my 2000 f150 with 10ft bed.
Because try towing 15k tons of steel everyday with a civic m8. And yes my work truck is also my daily driver.
>>30214362
That is such a pathetic argument it's embarrassing to read.
Let me guess you also believe that calibers over .30 should be regulated
>>30214392
15k pounds, not tons. Silly me.
>>30213705
6061 with a t6 heat treat is 6061 grade with a t6 heat treat
"military grade" is as meaningless as the phrase "aircraft quality"
>>30213914
Sell the tacoma and get a civic + 25 year old hilux or equivalent. The Hilux (or equivalent, Hiluxes are pretty rare in NA) assuming you need better all terrain utility than the civic with a small trailer can provide, which is possibly not the case because civics have pretty decent offroad capability.
Trailers aren`t a terrible option, apart from being frumpy as all hell and a pain in the ass they`re cheap and have good capacity.
>>30214362
Heavier vehicles have bigger brakes anon. And also I can park my truck better and turn a tighter radius than most of the college kids around me that drive their small cars. I have been blinded more times by faggets in a ricer with shitty hid headlights than by 'huge pickups' that you seem to be so intimidated by also.
>>30214377
Small cars can kill people dead, too. Standards for driving should just be higher.
Unfortunately the biggest threats on the road are also the most politically active - the elderly.
>>30214457
>biggest threats on the road are also the most politically active - the elderly.
PFFFFFFF hahaha
Breh.
I hope you're joking. Seven years as a glorified courier taught me otherwise.
>>30214269
>a Subaru
>>30214467
Oh, you`re right.
But the idea of restricting car sizes is less potent than restricting car usage.
>>30214269
This guy kind of gets it? Yes the choice of vehicles of the average American with money to waste isn't necessarily ideal but hey that is the point right? We preach about the Bill of Rights here not the Bill of Needs remember? If I had the dosh and could get some I'd have fucking AA guns with $200 per round belts loaded just for fun.
>>30214269
>It would be more economical to rent a truck
Really. You think it's smarter to have to rent a pickup to use every time there's snowfall?
>>30214269
Relevant
>>30214385
No tape deck anymore, but when I bought it it had a 90s aftermarket one that didn't work with a "best of Lawrence Welk" tape in it.
Are toyota hiluxes a meme?
>>30213829
You ever drive a truck like that around like a normal car? It's nirvana. Comfort, visibility, 4 doors so tons of space and a standard truck bed behind it when I need it. I'll never go back. There's nothing retarded about driving the vehicle you like best.
>>30214603
From what ive heard, no.
>>30213736
Faggot
>>30214371
Self defense is a right, driving is a privilege according to our laws. I would argue you have the right to free travel (with obvious exceptions like border control).
They already do regulate large vehicles, you have to get a class A license with special training to drive something larger than a certain size (they also already regulate guns, I'm not the one arguing that but apparently it's already been argued). I'm saying you shouldn't be able to drive something 4x bigger and heavier than normal cars because you feel like it. It's an unnecessary danger that serves little purpose. They should be specially licensed to people who own businesses thay require them like logging or light construction. I'm sick of seeing them everywhere on the road endangering others just because someone has to compensate for something.
>>30213876
The thing with the pavers was admittedly a stunt but it was a stunt that the Chevrolet didn't have a problem with and that the Ford failed miserably. I'd be more concerned with the toolbox falling two feet and punching a hole in the bed. That's kind of fucked up.
>>30214552
Pussy ass Americans and their comical inability to drive in even mild winter conditions.
If you weren`t such a collosal faggot you could handle light snow without needing an 8x8 pirahna with chained snow tires.
See the image? Note the permanent presense of snow and the near absence of the bimbo box suburban "utility" vehicles napolean complex idiots like you insist on driving. Of the dozens of visible cars ONE is a truck chassis bimbo box, the rest is a combination of European and Nip sedan and stationwagons. And this is ALASKA, where they get ACTUAL SNOWFALL, not the 100cm a year clowns like you call "Winter"
>>30213632
states with bad weather and harsh terrain. and looking like the white equivalent of a nigger
>>30214590
champaign music
wonderful, wonderful
>>30213902
GM also makes truck too
>>30213902
That's a stupid fucking statement. Go out to a job site and people are using the same trucks that are being bought by the public to cruise to the mall for real work.
>>30214679
>If you weren`t such a collosal faggot you could handle light snow without needing an 8x8 pirahna with chained snow tires.
Breh. This is my ride. She's a modest two-door SUV with a 4WD system that is unreliable at best. Her primary advantages are excess of cargo space for my funs and tables, and an coincidentally uncanny case of superb weight balance on all four wheels.
Snow? She laughs at snow while bigger trucks and smaller cars wallow in it.
>>30214603
Yes
Over priced for they are, no solid front axle, poor mileage etc
>>30213932
6' is kind of a standard for people buying crew cab trucks. That 8' bed just isn't selling like it used to.
>>30214515
Yeah but if you saw how many of them were on the road you'd think otherwise. It's not just trucks, but big ass boat SUVs too. Every other car is fucking massive. That creates a concern not only with safety during a crash/rollover but other drivers in normal vehicles can't see over or around them. Standardization and regulation would benefit everyone on the roads safety.
>>30214552
You act like you need a tank to drive in snow... you can drive an awd sedan in that, if it's been cleared out enough. No vehicle could make it through your pic.
>>30214733
>No vehicle could make it through your pic.
these track additions aren't very expensive
>>30213403
When I got out of the navy fixing airplanes I told people military grade meant the bidder with the cheapest price to meet a contract with passing standards to a certain percent. # I wasn't lieing
>>30214718
You should have sold your soul to Mr. Jimmy
>>30214362
Stay away from Texas faggot.
>>30214733
>That creates a concern not only with safety during a crash/rollover
Retard. How safe is a Chevy Suburban compared to a little Nissan Versa or worse, a Smart car?
>Answer: VERY
>>30213829
>>30213902
>>30214269
>>30214293
>>30214362
>>30214377
>>30214441
>>30214672
>>30214679
>>30214718
Welp, the POVERTY PATROL has spoken
you shouldnt own trucks because they said so.
>>30214846
>Including me as some faggot "no fun" police
Fuck you, I posted my Blazer and proved some bitch wrong. I didn't slam bigger vehicles.
>>30214846
Actually I advocate against trucks because their ostentatious, tasteless, and classless.
>>30214269
>Subaru, Rav4
Have you ever played with a vehicle in the dirt/snow/mud/desert
>Jeep
Just empty every pocket
Also storage sucks in most jeeps. I am a fan of older Jeeps from the 1940s-1980s. Also XJ's and ZJ's can be dope but when they are built correct they run the same track width and height of a full size SUV.
>>30214362
God you're so cuck'd. Factory farming and just major factories do much more damage than burning fuel in vehicles. Also you can convert any diesel into a bio based fuel burner(smells like french fries). Last point is that any Hybrid with a lithium battery does just as much environmental damage if not more. The mining and disposal of the batteries chemicals is extremely toxic and destructive. Not to mention it endorses shitty labor practices in developing nations.
>I'm a bitch who's scared of big bad trucks
Semi trucks/buses etc are much larger and more dangerous than 1/2-1 ton pickups/suvs. Plus as stated above. They do put larger brakes along with other size correct components to make them extremely safe.
Seriously think before you post fuckwit.
>>30214473
We can post emojis now?
>>30214872
>Escalade
>Truck
Escalade is a turd covered in fake diamonds.
>>30214911
escalade is the epitome
>>30214441
>actually finding a well kept hilux in the US
>2016
Unfortunately this is the Northeast, the land of rusted out utility vehicles and regressive taxation. A two-car solution just won't work, since this state requires registration and insurance on every vehicle in the state. Trailers won't work because the private roads around here are at best washed out half the year.
I have a KTM if I need high mileage.
>>30214334
>Having nice things is dumb
>>30214718
>laughs at snow
funny how many times Ive had to pull soneone in a jimmy/S10/Sonoma out of ditches, snow banks, and mud holes with my full size because they thought they had a real truck.
Also
>not having blutooth or handsfree
>not having shift on the fly 4wd
>not having power windows
>not having a backup cam
>not having surround sound
>not being able to control everything from your steering wheel
>not having heated mirrors
>not having heated seats
>not having a rhino lined bed to just throw dirty/heavy shit into after a long day of work
>not having a fuck huge V8 for passing everything but sports cars
ITT poorfags dont know how great it is and try to justify being poor
>>30214793
In Chevy Suburban building crash into you. Building lose.
>>30214872
Im sure you advocate for transgender bathrooms too, but nobody cares
>>30214955
Blazer has shift on the fly 4wd, power windows, heated mirrors, and heated seats.
>>30214942
Wrecked
What about a CRV with a roof rack.
CRV's get relatively excellent milage, low maintenance costs, roof rack will give you a cargo area comparable to a bed.
Is it just me, or is MyFord Touch is the most cancerous system to ever grace a vehicle?
>>30214975
Civil war was about slavery and flying a confederate flag is unamerican
>>30214955
>funny how many times Ive had to pull
>Implying snow is the same thing as ice
>Implying shit tires and driving skills don't factor
I'm glad you're atleast humble enough to be assed to help another person. Meanwhile I drove out of the only snow-filled ditch I ever ended up in.
>>30214980
>Blazer has shift on the fly 4wd
No it does not.
>>30214886
Emojis?
>>30214672
>America, land of the free and nothing I am not a fan of.
Seriously fuck off with your European bullshit.
>>30215032
This.
>>30214672
Fuck your fucking preaching, you faggot. Your asshole continent is responsible for just as much bullshit as ours is.
>>30214984
It's you. I fucking LOVE my MyFord Touch. Except their GPS system, that sucks dick.
>>30214981
ground clearance
It's alright, though. I just fucking hate the auto insurance racket.
>>30214984
Nope! Chrysler Uconnect takes that award.
>>30213403
Why do faggots bitch and whine about what other faggots drive? If someone thinks a car/truck looks badass and they can accept the cons for the pros, then why wouldn't they just go with that option? Seriously, nobody should give a fuck. If you feel intimidated by what some faggot drives around you've got issues.
>>30214984
I think fords have the better of the big three american manufacturers
chevys is pretty bad, i mean like really bad.
chryslers/dodge would be great if it didnt have a few really annoying quirks
>>30215013
How i do dis 2 f.a.m?
>>30214728
The vast majority of hiluxes that see action are older solid axle models. You can still import them into the West, or buy some used, but a lot of places they won't have them in dealerships.
>>30213403
if you want military grade it won't be big 3 lol
>>30214875
Semi trucks and buses are not more dangerous because they are being operated by a driver that had to pass tests of a higher standard and the operators actually give a shit about how they drive and make a living rather than billy bob and his one ton chevy.
Seriously, think before you post fuckwit
>>30214999
>Blazer has shift on the fly 4wd
No it does not
>Yes, it most certainly does.
>>30215147
Huh...
I'll never do it, though.
>>30214457
The biggest threats on the road are black women.
The elderly are second.
Asians in my experience get a bad rap, only one has caused me grief.
>>30214473
can confirm subaru is shit
>meme speshul snowflake engine
>shitty awd system that always kills itself
>shitty transmission
>replace all tires when one gets a flat because shitty awd
>sohc NA 2.5I is anemic and comoletely shit
>>30215068
chevys is worse than uconnect.
at least the options and setup on uconnect are understandable.
I have a ram and drove a dart for work, and also rented 2 chevys last year, a cruze and a a 2500 HD.
the 2500 touch screen and "mylink" was totally fucking unuseable with the cruze being better, but still not as user friendly as the uconnect.
I test drove an F150 in november and actually really liked fords set up for the limited amount of time i got to use it.
my big problems with uconnect are
1) not being able to actually turn the screen totally off
2) the startup/legal accept page takes to long. (imo it shouldnt even be there)
3) blutooth never has a problem with the phone but sometimes doesnt immediately connect my music, though this could an issue with the phone
4) a mute button instead of being able to just turn the while damn thing "off"
>>30215176
I only used 4lo when I was really fucked or before going on a road that was super bad. 4hi is suitable for most snowy or sandy conditions
ITT: Nanny state Cucked numale faggot vents his impotence.
>>30215183
>The biggest threats on the road are black women.
Blacks in general suck at driving for whatever reason. I don't get it.
>The elderly are second.
No. Second is every faggot bitch on their fucking phone. I'd say that easily 75% of drivers I saw every day I worked were on their fucking shitslab while they were driving.
I never had enough chances to be a massive asshole to them in return.
>>30215203
4hi will get you through anything you need to get through, since you want to be moving pretty fast before you hit a rough patch. Unless the road is rutted up, in which case heavy duty suspension from a full size truck is your best friend and you hit it anyways. Only time I go 4lo is when someone is pulling me out or I'm trying to go over stuff. But that's why I spent 1,400 American shekels on Nitto Trail Grapplers.
>>30215183
Anyone with a handicapped license plate is almost guaranteed to drive worse than anyone else on the road for me.
*does not apply to handicapped mirror hangers, only plates*
>>30213403
My uncle got a custom truck and won't shut the fuck up about "muh military grade"
Explain to him that just means it's lower quality than anything made by private industry.
>>30215252
Except Chrysler products (not including their performance parts).
>>30215183
worst drivers in order
old asian women
black women
women in general
the elderly in general
asians in general
blacks in general
mexicans in general
sports bikes
dump trucks
18 wheelers
buses
bicyclists
VW drivers
BMW drivers
Honda CRV drivers
econobox drivers
>>30215237
forgot to add the handicapped and old men in full sized trucks to my list
>>30215282
CRV is econobox
>>30213632
>own second vehicle and my own car hauler
>use my '12 F150 to haul it 2000 miles cross country along with tons of supplies inside
>does it flawlessly, saved lots of money not using uhaul garbage
>need to haul gravel
>throw it in bed
>buddy is moving to another house
>pays me $100 to move his stuff
>used a marginal amount of gas
But wait, no one who owns a truck ever uses it as such, right?
Faggot
>>30214603
Are AK47s a meme? They seem to be the AK47 of trucks.
>>30215337
The amount of rage you're exuding indicates you feel there's a level of truth to the idea.
>>30215327
i felt especially compelled to call the CRV and its drivers out.
>>30214679
>these city people don't need trucks because the city plows the roads for them
>why can't everyone just live like this?
>>30215221
Black women are the worst. 4 of 6 people I've been hit by have been black women.
And it's easy to understand why, they're not paying attention and they're trying to look cool at the same time.
I once witnessed a sheboon jumping up in her seat and bobbing her head around aggressively to the music while she was in the middle of a turn in a busy intersection. Her eyes weren't even open.
Also, I'm almost killed by the elderly and the soon to be elderly on a daily basis.
I'm going to change my vote for second to middle aged women. Even teenage girls have more common sense on the road and that's scary.
>>30215344
99% of the time i use my 4 door fullsize hemi v8 to just drive myself around.
totally wasteful.
feels good though.
stay mad.
>>30215282
You forgot Subaru drivers. They're much, much worse than BMW drivers.
>>30214994
The American government is unamerican.
>>30214999
>meanwhile I drove out of the only snow-filled ditch I ever ended up in
Same here. You know what I did it with?
>1988 Buick Park Avenue highschooler-special
On the other hand I've seen someone get a HEMTT in 8x8 with chains stuck in 3" of snow. Driving skill matters a LOT, as do luck and circumstance.
>>30215365
>even teenage girls
thats because they're young and scared and haven't yet learned that 80% of men are massive white knighting betafags and that they'll be held blameless for everything they destroy so long as they bat they're eyes and show some cleavage
>>30214334
>implying a Chevy volt can haul this
>>30215401
Don't speak badly of women. They're our equals, anon.
>>30215377
eh, i dont know maybe.
I only listed BMW drivers because they piss me off so bad because they are equal in their assholism to me.
I havent had a problem with suby drivers, on the actual road, though they are completely obnoxious as people
>>30215080
Fords have the best diesel, with Dodge a close second (and third now, with their eco-diesel).
However, it's 2016 and Ford is still fucking using vacuum switches, which fail all the fucking time and are approximately 9083719380471203912349871230978 times more expensive to replace than solid-state switches. Plus on all their vehicles (including super duties) underbody coating costs extra instead of being a standard feature.
>if the MAF sensor goes out on a Chevy/GMC/Dodge/Toyota 1500 it's a ~$200, half-hour fix
>if a MAF sensor goes out on an F150 it's a $2300, all-day fix because you're replacing the sensor, 3 vacuum switches, and 12 feet of wiring because god forbid a sensor goes and doesn't take every vacuum switch even sort of in its general proximity with it
>>30215431
Ill kill you.
also
benis
>>30213403
>The best part is the picture of the M113 in the ad when they say "Military Grade Aluminum"
Like, come on, Ford. The M113 is one of the worst protected, most dangerous vehicles when it comes to facing enemies armed with anything larger than a PKM. IIRC a large chunk of deaths in Israel's Operation Protective Edge in summer 2014 were due to rocket strikes on aluminum armored M113s they got ceap from America, which has further increased and fast tracked Namer APC procurement by the IDF.
>>30213632
to be turned into brodozers driven by obnoxious chads and get covered with Monster Energy stickers and calvin peeing on the competitions logo.
the real work trucks, like the diesels, are all great.
>>30215431
Delete this.
>>30215444
I was strictly talking about the user interfaces of their respective infotainment systems, anon
not about their mechanical reliability or engineering
>>30215471
well, serves me right for jumping in halfway through an argument then.
>>30215436
Maybe it's just my area, but every single Subaru driver is obnoxious and dangerous on the road. Constantly passing people like they were racing, doing stuff way outside their skill level.
Generally acting like they own the road and everything is in their way.
BMW drivers tend not to drive as bad, at least here.
>>30215457
>rocket strikes
Pretty much everybody's APC's and IFV's are vulnerable to rocket strikes on the roof.
There's a reason why Israel's and Russia's newest APC's are an MBT hull sans gun.
>and those still won't stand up to the bigger stuff or concentrated fire from little stuff
>>30215444
Ford has the best diesel for the price. The Duramax is a pretty damn reliable, but they're behind on the numbers game as far as HP and TQ go. RAM is a fucking joke and it's a shame that the Cummins is the power plant for such a shitty truck.
>>30215252
Find the area on one of the doors midway between the steel bars that are the frame, and just put your fucking fist right through. The thing about aluminum is that it shears extremely easily, any amount of force that can dent a steel door will tear an aluminum door. The skin of the new F-150s are the exact same material and thickness as a soda can, military grade or not; that shit tears like you would not believe.
>>30215462
you left your webcam on and we can all see you jerking off to it
Fuck it. Since this is a /ko/ thread now..
Anyone know anything about Toyota FJ Cruisers? I'm interested in one, but only if it's tall-guy friendly. I hear they have crap legroom, and I definitely need a lot of that.
If not one of these, then I'd like a Tacoma.
>>30215489
>Pretty much everybody's APC's and IFV's are vulnerable to rocket strikes on the roof.
I don't think all of the rocket strikes on the M113 were roof strikes. The Namer has massive slopes and looks pretty sleek. I don't know if the IDF will publish thickness data, though. They tend to be pretty secretive about that.
>>30215486
Different guy but I agree with him. 99% of the subie drivers I see are either old people in something like a Forester, with the remaining 1% being college kids in 8+ year old Imprezas or Legacies.
I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a WRX, much less an STI.
Now, they may drive like retards and be just as dangerous as the street racers, but they manage to be less annoying about it because they're not actually trying to piss people off.
>>30215501
its nowhere near the thiness of a sodacan, anon
stop just making shit up
>>30215511
A buddy of mine has one and loves it, but there's one minor thing that always get me about it: almost every button, door handle, or device in the interior is 1.5x the size that it should be. It's like everything was designed for the hulk's hand or something.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but it feels strange at first.
>>30215511
>tall
>wants a Tacoma
Bad news for you friend.
>>30214672
I don't own a construction company but I live out in the country, every fucking year I get run off the road by a combine harvester. They don't pave regularly. There are irregular roads and gradings. There are fallen branches from Midwestern windstorms. That shits real, and a truck is a very valid reason for dealing with stuff. Sometimes I hail stuff for my grandma. I've even had to use the winch to pull out a stump, or fence posts.
Sometimes I put a ton of mulch and fertilizer in my bed for my private garden. My fucking poppies and tomatoes won't grow themselves (well poppies will, those are the AK of flowers). Like it or not, a truck is a perfectly valid vehicle for those of us living in a world where "road" isn't a guarantee.
Truck brake pads are proportionally larger to compensate. They aren't THAT much worse fuel wise than cars just a decade ago. And frankly private vehicles are an insignificant portion of carbon in the atmosphere; if you want to shit bricks look at global sea-shipping and malt oil engines.
Just because a honda civic fits MOST people doesn't mean it works for ALL people, nor does it mean the state should have a right to tax someone and approve their vehicle based on some exaggerated concerns for safety and carbon scare.
>>30215523
They're not even the sporty models and they're driving like wannabe racers.
Like, all Outbacks and Foresters, I can't recall the last time I've seen a sedan.
>>30214872
>cannothaulgravel/10
>>30215498
only thing really wrong with out of the factory rams is a shitty suspension.
though i suspect they wouldnt hold up as well to abuse over time as a superduty.
>>30215536
>Bad news for you friend.
Drove pic related for work and had no problems with it, apart from the seat not being able to recline at all. These were my favorite of our work trucks. Nice and comfy like our old Dodge Dakota.
>>30215511
They're great, better snag one now before they start to get more expensive.
>>30214323
>>30214323
>>30214323
>>30214323
>>30214334
Nice pupper
cool truck too. always liked those late-70s-to-late-80s style trucks, just, good ole boys
>>30215080
Chevy's aren't terrible to work on though. Dodges aren't fun, granted I only ever messed with the spark plugs on one and the other half of the set was basically under the engine. Can't say I've messed with fords any.
>>30215501
>Same material
No, not even close. Pop cans are a mix of 3xxx and 5xxx Aluminum, which is not heat treatable. 6xxx Aluminum is what the F150 is made of.
>>30215553
There have been quite a few issues with more than just suspension. Electronics, shitty interiors, and infamous Dodgerust (on the pre-RAMs at least) to name a few.
Regardless, if I were looking for a new truck, I'd go Ford SD and get the luddite special with the gas engine, manual locking hubs and manual T-Case select (ESOF a shit), and no electronic locking axle. I'll even skip out on the CD player and settle for a radio only. I've looked around and something like this might cost $30,000 for a 250 and $33,000 for a 350
>>30215553
Transmissions are crap.
And that's coming from a guy who's owned exclusively MOPAR his whole life. Between a '95 Dakota, an '07 300C AWD, and a '12 Ram 2500 I've gone through 12 transmissions in 16 years
>Ram and 300C have lifetime powertrain warranties though
I miss my Dakota, but at 20 years old I couldn't afford to drop $2300 on a (rebuilt, not even new) transmission for a truck I paid $1800 for.
>300C shit its first transmission in under 7k miles
Have about 126k on it now and its on its fifth transmission, the Ram has less than 30k miles on it and is on its third after shitting 3 transmissions in 1000 miles.
>>30215377
Volvo drivers are the worst.
>>30215558
...huh. I drive a 2010 Tacoma TRD quad cab and think I sit too low to the floorboards. If I have the seat where I'm comfortable it's literally 2 inches off the front edge of the back seat.
>>30215511
I had a roommate in college that drove one during snow season because his dad worked at a Yota dealership, and he never used his truck for truck shit except pulling a 16' covered trailer full of geese decoys.
I liked it, iirc the inside is designed to be able to literally hose out mud and whatnot, it's light, and there's a gauge cluster specifically for off-roading (compass, vehicle angle, etc). The sound system bumps too.
You just have to stomach the fact that you drive a sorority-mobile. Unless you put a snorkel, roof rack, and decent tires to set yourself aside from the average FJ.
>>30215576
yeah ive got a ram and the back spark plugs are fucking impossible to get to
>>30215606
>You just have to stomach the fact that you drive a sorority-mobile. Unless you put a snorkel, roof rack, and decent tires to set yourself aside from the average FJ.
I hate the roof rack I have now, so I think I'll skip that part. Other things sound fun though.
How about 40k shit all over it?
>>30215584
Unless you plan on DD-ing through a giant oven of some sort, they are functionally the same. They both shear the same, weigh about the same, corrode at about the same rate, and disintegrate from prolonged exposure to high-frequency vibrational forces.
>>30215618
>>30215618
Trick we used was to basically lift the engine.
That's the hard part though.
Say what you want about Chevy, all the stuff you need to get to is right there when you pop the hood, even if you will be doing it a bit more often.
>>30215634
No, they are not 'functionally' the same. 6xxx series Aluminum is heat treatable and and has better machining properties, along with higher tensile strengths, especially after heat treatment.
This is like saying 1010 is the same as D2. They're not the fucking same.
>>30215627
It's your money dude. But I personally wouldn't spend 40k on one unless it was brand new and ordered to my liking.
Again, it was a cool vehicle to drive off-road, but so is a modded 4-Runner. At least the 4-Runner has creature comforts like leather seats and Gucci climate control. Also, roommate was 6'3" and I'm 6' and neither of us found it small.
>>30214679
>ACTUAL SNOWFALL
>Europoor's picture has less than 1/8 the snow that the guy he's responding to has.
The person with a complex here is you, Eurocuck.
The Alaskans who's cock you seem to be gargling probably like pickups too. It's okay though, I'm sure you enjoy driving around in your economical car and totally don't shit yourself because you see "big scary trucks" on the road next to you.
>>30214418
That's better anon, I was about to ask why you're sticking a caterpillar in your truck bed
>>30215590
dodge rust isnt too bad now.
they started putting plastic inside the wheel wells to actuall keep water and salt out and changed up their paint.
dodge has been good with the recalls
i havent had any interior problems on my current ram or the last ram, though the last ram the engine shit the bed at 130,000 miles, though to be honest im not sure that was from a combination of me absolutely hammering on it all the time and piss poor maintence, or because there was something wrong with the engine to begin with.
mine came with rhino lining in the bed and if you get them undercoated you should be good to go.
there is definately a noticeable difference in quality between the fords and rams though.
>>30215664
>Money
No. Warhammer 40,000 decals. I've always wanted to do something like that, like a fake motor pool number and other dumb stuff.
>Leather seats
Fucking ew. I hate those.
>>30215591
i havent really had any transmission issues on my current or my last ram.
last ram had the 5 speed current ram has the 8 speed.
the only thing is now it can shift hard as fuck because the computer is trying to control between the MDS system shifting on and off.
seems like its searching for the correct gear a lot, the last update helped but im hoping they come out with another one that smooths the transitions even more.
also i dont like the computer controlled engine braking
>>30215699
Oh shit my bad. I'm a consolefag so I didn't get the reference.
If you really don't care about that stuff an FJ is perfect for you. I hate to admit it but that FJ pulled my GMC Z71 out quite a few times when I overestimated its abilities in 2wd.
>>30215735
>8 speed
Just a heads up man, you MAY wanna get an extended warranty on that.
>>30215744
always do
>>30215786
Smart move. They have some...issues that will come up in the future.
Also, if anyone in this thread was thinking of doing so, DO NOT buy a Harley newer than 2013.
All I want is a 2014 regular cab 4x4 Tacoma with a 5 speed stick.
>>30215744
the tranny is a pretty well known tranny, its rams retarded computer system that causes issues
>>30214846
I'm the first person you quoted.
I was criticizing people for owning trucks and not using them for truck related activity.
I got a truck for moving bales of hay, and wood, and stuff. And a car for more fuel efficient regular driving.
I don't drive my fucking tractor around when going to the store, either.
>>30215801
like i said, the tranny is a ZF 8HP, and is used in a lot of other vehicles, when Rolls Royce starts having tranny problems then Ill be worried.
the biggest problem is ram cant sort their computer controls out. and it causes hard shifting
>>30215859
Tell me more about ramming trannies.
>>30215916
im not sa/k/uya.
>>30215859
>>30215911
Well for starters i should probably mention I'm talking about 2015 and later transmissions. To make a long story short, they switched suppliers and changed the hardening procedure for the gear teeth, making them wear faster. I PPAPed the new process.
>>30213632
>>30213632
CUZ FUCKING MURRICA BITCH
>>30215962
mines a 2014, so i should be good
thanks for the heads up though
>>30215511
>tfw theres no commercial version of these bad boys
>Wow /o/, you guys are pretty /k/ today.
I forgot where I was.
>>30215282
18 wheelers are the best drivers, you are on drugs.
You probably just tried to pass one on the right side like a jackass.
>>30215911
>hard shifting
Are you elderly and/or disabled? If not, drive a stick like a man.
>>30213705
>>30214435
Ideally "military grade" or "aircraft quality" would imply some sort of material certification documents that attest to the origin and quality of the material.
>>30216290
And there is. A metric fuck ton of them in fact.
>>30214875
>not knowing how based Subaru is offroad
my Outback has more ground clearance than my old Explorer
>>30216246
They don't make manuals for most cars these days.
>>30216311
I have a solution to that problem.
If they don't make it in manual, I don't buy it.
>>30216304
I know they do. My point is that people advertising something as "military grade" or "aircraft quality" usually don't have the certifications because it costs more.
In Ford's case, I'm sure they are getting some sort of quality report due to the amount of material they are ordering, but I doubt they are specifically getting military or aerospace certifications because they don't have any need for it.
>>30216311
In Euroland they do
Automakers are generally phasing out manuals because a modern automatic is usually more efficient and more reliable.
>>30216337
Their certs all say "Passes X specification" and they come with the test data and occasionally a histogram. It's no different than a cert for General Dynamics or BAE or anyone else who requests such a cert. Then there are tests and specifications not called out for by A2LA accreditation but are specifically required none the less, such as Vickers hardness or grain flow analysis.
>>30216308
Subaru may not be the right choice to climb over boulders or drive through swamps, but if you're just worried about some mud/sand/ice/snow they're hard to beat.
>>30214362
Kek, my f350 stops way better than my wifes yaris. You're a fucking idiot.
>>30214872
>he doesn't want to cosplay as a CIA
>>30215511
FJ cruiser has the same chassis as the Prado which is just basically an SUV body on a Hilux frame.
ISIS uses hilux so it must be good
>>30214334
I bet that dog gives good dog. Looks like a top dog that dog that.
>>30214334
pit bull / cattle dog mix?
heard they are a good mix
>>30214994
Ah yes, the eurocuck is goING to tell Americans what is American and what isnt. Time to go Ahmed.
Only has to do with using the same aluminum alloy. Is it the same alloy used for ARs?
>>30215183
>The biggest threats on the road are black women.
Das racis!!!
But yeah, they're terrible. Willing to start shit with their own adjuster because they rear ended someone while on their phone. "Fuck you whitey, dey shudda got out my way, bitch! I ain't payin' no 'ductable! I ain't at fault! Aks my frien' Lawquashaunda, she on da phone wi' me at da time!"
>>30217173
Also more likely to try to commit insurance fraud. Wife is an adjuster.
Checked one melanin enhanced lady's policy during an investigation: five claims for "vandalism" in two years, seven more with previous insurer, no police reports. Just wanted a check mailed to her, no repairs.
>>30214269
>Small penis compensation/little man syndrome
stopped reading there desu
>>30215282
i would literally put bus drivers right after old asian women
holy FUCK most of them are drooling retards
don't get me started on fucking SCHOOL bus drivers
>>30213632
Smaller trucks can be highly practical, but it always kills me when I see some dude with a big V-8 truck for hauling a 16' boat. A 4 cylinder will do that just fine. It's a size thing. I drove a 4 cyl 4x4 Tacoma with a manual transmission for 10 years, and it did pretty much everything people list as big truck uses, except for hauling cars and trailers which have brake controllers. I always died at the boat ramp when people back in small boats with a Powerstroke diesel, or put a ton of wood pellets in a trailer they were pulling with a Chevy 2500. No point to that.
>>30213632
Fuck knows, I'm aware that I'm a gay/cuck/muslim/all three since I'm European (or so /k/ has lead me to believe) but if I want to be able to transport more than two people whilst doing light construction/moving work I'd probably just get a transit.
Although not a white one, I wouldn't want people to thing I'm a tosser.
>>30215282
>the horror when you see an old Asian lady driving a dented up, ten year old Nissan micra
>>30215511
From the door backwards that looks absolutely disgusting.
>>30215282
you forgot
>women driving huge fucking SUV in middle of a city
>>30216065
lol
>driving down highway
>it's a double lane
>I'm in the right lane doing like 5 over already
>this fucker in a semi pulls in behind me, literally two feet from my bumper
>follows me like this for nearly 4 miles
>there is literally no one else on the road, he could have easily just passed me in the left lane the entire time
I was pretty close to calling CHP.
>/k/ - Weapons
>>30217398
Rigs are normally right lane only, ya dingus, so they cant be passed on the right.
Why did you not pull into the left lane? MUH PRIDE?
Faggot.
>>30217315
Here in America theres enough shitty dirt, gravel, and unmarked, unmaintained roads in our rural areas you nees something that handles rough terrain better if you really want a utility vehicle.
But even out here most people never leave the highway.
>>30215486
I have that same experience, but it's people who drive BMWs, Volvos, Volkswagens, Mercedes, and Audis. They own the road and you're in the way.
>>30213932
The 5' on the quad cab Tacomas is actually surprisingly useful. It'll hold half a ton of wood pellets or half a yard of top soil without issue. Definitely not a full sized truck, but damned handy.
>>30213632
Having space to carry shit and ground clearance/drivetrain to not get stuck on a job site/field/unfinished terrain?
Like seriously are you fucking retarded?
>>30213632
>F-150
>Huge
Eh, they're really not that big of a truck.
>>30214362
>increasing the chance of collision, which with a normal sized car will be devastating to the other driver.
Citation, pls
>>30214679
You don't know very much about Alaska.
>American car
>ever
>>30214324
>WHY CAN'T I JUST DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT WITHOUT EVER JUSTIFYING IT
>WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
Bet you also vote republican huh you pansy ? g*d forbid you ever consider you have a social contract to the society you're in that means you can't just act like an ass without someone slapping you down.
>>30214473
What the fuck? Emojis work on 4chan?
>>30217711
Not for me. Must be on botchrome.
![0feb35c9-32c5-a14c-2671-6d35c1b6e4ff[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ekXUiuE.jpg "0feb35c9-32c5-a14c-2671-6d35c1b6e4ff[1].jpg")
>m-muh haul
Not really an answer when these things exist.
These pics convinced me to get a tacoma
>>30217750
>>30217749
What the hell is this cuck abomination?
>>30215830
Same here anon. In red too...
>>30217795
It's a removable trailer hitch.
>>30217815
Ok, the implications is you put it on your geo metro?
![03g63_amg_021[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OJqPxY3.jpg "03g63_amg_021[1].jpg")
>>30217827
When you own one and need to use it, yes.
But I would recommend something like this or a Defender so you can go offroad.
>>30213632
Well the F-150 is small, I help my friend by loading dirt, gravel or anything in his F-250 and that thing is large. Also it's nice when you have to tug around a huge dump trailer
>>30217050
No, ARs use 7075.
>>30214506
>that slightly off apostrophe
Foreigners get out. Our laws are ours just like our rights. Quit trying to fuck with them.
>>30217429
You don't have to leave the highway for a shitty, unmaintained road. Just drive down I75 in MI.
>>30217889
>When you own one and need to use it, yes.
So all you need to tow safely is a hitch?
Furthermore, you are telling me land rovers dont come with hitches? Absofuckinglutly disgusting.
>>30214872
>muh class
Tip for fedora back to liberal retard land. Take the rest of the Poverty Patrol with you.
>>30217987
All of this tbhfam
>>30217749
Yeah I'm sure your shitbox Corolla can safety tow as much with one of these stupid things as a normal truck can.
Are car cucks usually this stupid?
>I can't afford a truck/I'm not old enough to drive so trucks suck!
>People actually trying to use the 'lololo tiny dick' """argument"""
SUMMERTIME IS IN THE AIR
>>30214981
>roof rack will give you a cargo area comparable to a bed
You've never had a car with a bed
>>30214362
If you gave a fuck about the environment you would know that vehicles produce a tiny portion of greenhouse gases.
>>30217987
>>30218001
Of course you can only tow as much as your vehicle can take but that's why I said to use it with something like a G-class or a Defender.
If you only haul something once a week or even less there is no reason to drive a big truck other than wanting to feel big and intimidate others.
>>30218039
>likes Euro Cuckwagons
Refugee or Nigger? Be honest.
>>30218032
Are you illiterate?
He isn't talking about greenhouse gases.
>>30218039
>but that's why I said to use it with something like a G-class or a Defender.
Ok, so you are telling me a FUCKING 120,000 doller truck and a FUCKING 60,000 doller truck DOES NOT COME WITH A FUCKING HITCH?!?!?!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
>>30218052
>European "engineering"
The unreliability is a feature.
>>30218056
ITS MORE THAN 100K. I WANT IT TO COME WITH A EUROTRASH EASTERN EXPORT HOOKER TO SUCK MY DICK ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU HAVE TO BUY A FUCKING HITCH? A FUCKING HITCH?!?!?!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.
>>30218043
>>30218043
Euro Cuck 2bh
>>30218052
Are you autistic or something?
I used a picture of a removable hitch because it was the best I could find not the ONLY one.
>>30218015
It really does come down to money and sour grapes. These are the same type of fucks who bitch if your clothes are decently nice, own a nice watch or have a gun that's not a glock.
Also, fuck the environment, do you really think what you do personally matters when factories all over the world pump out kilotons of greenhouse gasses daily? You'd have to dedicate your life to burning tires and styrofoam.
>>30218087
>do you really think what you do personally matters
>that pic
You can't be serious.
It has been proven again and again that car free zones help with polluted air in big cities but I guess it wasn't the traffic afterall.
