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It's 1985, the reds are streaming into west Germany and the happenings are real.
Post the good shit.
>>30211321
This thread has potential.
>you'll never be expected to hold an isolated city with no chance of reinforcement, for the sole purpose of defending democracy in west Berlin for a few more hours.
>>30211321
>It's 1985, the reds are streaming into west Germany and the happenings are real.
Why the fuck would they attack past their prime?
If they were going to attack, it would be before the 80s.
>Ivan thinks he can just drive into west Germany
>>30211362
>Why the fuck would they attack past their prime?Desperation, a international incident forces their hand, miscommunication with West spirals out of control (One side holds wargames without telling the other, other side jumps the gun fearing invasion). There are many things that could happen.
Also, for sake of argument, are we not factoring nukes into the equation?
>>30211362
because we want to post cool images of cold war stuff.
Why were you born?
7 days to river Rhine.
>>30211388
if someone gets a nuke image as the last imagine before limit then they win the war. Otherwise we're just wasting our 150 images on pictures of explosions.
[muffled 99 Luftballons playing in the distance]
>>30211401
I wish there was a book full of cold war planes with annotated images like that and some cool specs / history. Now that most air frames are out of service you could get some very accurate specs and interesting facts.
>mfw challenger was the newest tank on the field (excluding variants) in 1985.
>>30211352
No, the point of the troops there was largely to try and ensure paperwork got burned. If they were EXTREMELY lucky the ambassador and stuff could make it to the runway and bail.
Don't know if this is cold war, but it's film so it may as well be.
>Cold War thread
Das it mayne
Norwegians
>>30211332
forgive my ignorance, but are those not Leo 1's? The turret front looks rounded.
Swedes
>Capitalists think they can just sail across the Atlantic.
>Moar Swedes
>>30211576
what is this?
>Bongs
>More Bongs
>>30211604
Its no problem, you have to learn somewhere. Those Are Leopard 2's, Probably the Very First iteration of them.
>>30211633
not the poster but IIRC they are F15's intercepting two Mig 29's over Canada. The Migs were attending an airshow and the route was filed before hand, hence the ability for a third plane to capture the moment.
They flew over the pole with drop tanks with the intention of refuelling in Canada before anyone asks.
>Syrup Soldiers
>>30211352
why even live
>You will never hold a C2
>Burgers
Also I thought we'd adopted the PASGT by the mid-80s.
>>30211670
Almost spat out my beer when i thought the guy in the back had a huge moustache, but it's just cam cream :(
>>30211717
>You will never hold a C2
By the looks of it, he can barely of claimed to hold one.
>>30211362
>past their prime?
It is their prime.
Awwww yeah Blackadder is here, dis gon be gud
And sorry I'm at work otherwise I'd be dumping
Norwegian soldier, not sure of the date.
Found some more Swedes, guessing these are from the '80s
>>30211592
>the MG34 would spill soviet blood once again
>>30211835
i like how they tried to hide the flank arrays on launch. comparing with today's photos they are clearly visible.
>>30211730
1985 1st Cav at Ft Hood had steel pot, 3rd ID in Germany had PASGT and Kevlar cammo vest.
>>30211868
Lower left is a reaction image if I ever saw one
>>30211352
> Defending democracy
More like the banking system
>>30211891
Do you have any pics of an F-15 with a Draken? I need one for reasons.
>>30211814
I'll be damned if that's not a nuke sub in disguise.
Belgian soldiers
>>30211332
Mind the Gap!
>Leopardboner.png
>>30212168
<<C'mon buddy.>>
But really google's not working
>>30211950
Ooh edgy.
>>30211950 (not me)
>>30212515
back in those days maybe , now your only defending the military industrial complex
>>30212574
The world has always been as fucked as it is right now. Nothing was ever better, nothing is now worse. We haven't 'just now' turned into a cynical unpleasant world, nor did we 'used to be' a shining democratic utopia.
Claiming otherwise is bullshit.
>>30212616
I think we're doing pretty well
We're just not fighting for existence so our energy is looking inward instead of outward
>>30212693
>I think we're doing pretty well
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about ?
>>30212616
Democracy is an objectively awful system
>>30211321
So why is it always the Soviets that attack first in these scenarios? How would it play out if NATO were to try to invade the Soviets for a change?
>>30212693
I'm not denying things are pretty okay.
Just that if there's one thing I've learned from every ounce of history I've ever studied, it's that people have generally never been better or worse than they are now. Few things annoy me more than people who talk about some mythic lost age where people were more honest and kind and brave and truthful, and where the country was more honorable and better run and free of corruption.
Or on the flipside about how whatever current generation is the worst and most immoral and stupid and disrespectful and crime prone and so on and so forth.
We are essentially the same people arguing over essentially the same shit today as we were five thousand years ago.
No better, no worse, just people.
>the effectiveness of your combat operations will never be the difference between a conventional war that wraps up, and a nuclear exchange
A..All that weight on my shoulders... I... I don't know if I could senpaitachi ;-;
>>30211486
>when the riff is playing on the radio
>OH FUCK YEA NEUN UND NEUNZIG LUFTBALLONS
>it's the english version
NVA panzer units rush West, pushing away NATO defenses, to liberate their misguided brothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ
>>30212234
Oh I see it
>>30211332
>tfw no Kursk with MBTs
>>30211950
Better dead than red when you consider all the facts
>>30212827
I have hopes for the future now that I am on track to get me degree
>>30212853
Corrupt Democracy yes but not all democracy is awful
>>30213052
They may try. While I do like the NVA a bit for the way they tried to maintain German martial traditions, by the late 80's the Bundeswehr had pretty well surpassed them in terms of equipment.
>>30213713
>>30213753
>>30213766
>>30213781
>>30213793
>>30213816
>>30213713
>by the late 80's the Bundeswehr had pretty well surpassed them in terms of equipment.
The Bundeswehr was and is a joke. Literally Iraq tier. Maybe lower, not sure if Saddam let them go home on weekends.
>>30213869
Have anything to back that up? I'm aware of the deficiencies and clusterfucks that seem to plague the Bundeswehr today but how was it in the 80's?
>>30213861
>>30213880
>>30211835
that's awesome
>>30213894
>>30211362
Because of the sharp rise in tensions circa 1983
duh
>>30211741
>how to detect a faggot that's never shot an MG
Entered service in 1983. I wonder how many would have been ready for combat by 1985? I'd imagine those available would have been tasked with attacking CnC and Air Defense targets.
Another interesting question is the number of Su-27s available in 1985. They entered service that year.
>>30214179
Reminds me of the shit the "frisbees" were doing in Red Storm Rising.
The Lancer wasn't introduced until 1986. :(
Would there have been bronco's in europe?
Would 1985 pre-date the hellfire?
>>30214449
Hellfires entered service in 1984, so no.
>>30214336
On the bright side, this would've accelerated development and we would have super BoneRs by now
>>30214470
I have reason to believe that during war time they would've been called raging boners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlSgxv9ITE
>>30213026
Tbh she sounds pretty qt trying to sing in English but it really just doesn't sound right.
>>30213869
Like >>30213880 says, they might be like that now but I was always under the impression they were one of the more competent NATO armies in the Cold War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBIRGFWNEjU
>>30211321
I'm still trying to find the source book for these images
>>30214739
>>30214751
>>30214760
>>30211791
I think what anon meant was that why attack in the 1980s when thats time period that the west generally reached either parity or outright scary levels of tactical dominace, just think of what the west had standing in the way in the 1960 and 70s. Designs that were equal but not as numerous as the kekekeke t55+bmp1, a nice amount of T64s which were modern at the time, and battleplans that entailed just driving towards the Rhine on mass and they had the numers at the time. The west had better training and the token scary airforce. The 80s brought in all the meme stuff we all know and love (What is not MBT-70? M1, Leo 2, tea challys, etc)and reached a point where a ground war would not be generally one sided. INB4 logistics wins wars/reinforcement from the states/well nuclear weapons would be used anyway bla..........
>>30214773
>>30214889
>Copyright 2007
WiC came out that long ago? I feel old now.
>>30211950
Given the choice between an alleged society run by Da Joos or a bunch of socialists and communists ruining quality of life for everyone. I'll take da joos.
>>30215640
WHY IS THERE NO MIDDLE GROUND
>>30214336
Thinking an invasion would speed up the process
>>30215706
>>30215706
I bet you're that asshole at work that ruins everyone's fun when someone brings up a hypothetical question.
Example: Would you rather bang the hottest chick at work and no one will EVER know except you, and only you. Or, not bang her and EVERYONE thinks you did.
Or: Would you rather suck Michael Moore's dick for 10000$ and no one would know, or Michael Bloomberg dick for 1,000,000$ and EVERYONE would know you blew Michael Bloomberg for 1,000,000. The kicker is you can spend the 10 grand on anything but on the one million you can't spend it on any guns, ammo, militaria, any weapons of any kind.
>>30211532
I have a book like this, I'll scan it and upload sometime
>>30215840
>Example: Would you rather bang the hottest chick at work and no one will EVER know except you, and only you. Or, not bang her and EVERYONE thinks you did.
The first one for sure, you get to bang the hottest chick and you don't have to deal with the office drama bullshit that would arise.
>>30211717
I have though :^)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EULD1HRtIPw
someone said comfy cold war thread?
>>30211623
wtf is that smaller one? i know the other is a typhoon
>>30216636
Thats an oscar not a typhoon
okay, did my part
>>30212616
the stasi would be more effective with today's technology
>>30211532
But there is mah nigga
ISBN-13 978-1-59223-696-1
ISBN-10 1-59223-696-0
Cold War autist here, I've collected data on Warsaw Pact vs NATO strength levels. Will dump it all now. This information is from 1988.
We'll start with Soviet forces directly in the European theatre, though it should be noted that the Soviets could quickly have brought massively more forces to the combat zone quickly.
*Western Group of Forces (West Germany): 380,000 Personnel
-7,258 T-80/72/62/55 Tanks
-4,564 BMP-1/2 IFV
-308 BMD-1/2 IFV
-5,616 BTR-60/70/80 APC
-673 BRDM-2 AFV
-108 ASU-85 Assault Gun
-1,104 2S1 SPH
-1,488 2S3 SPH
-358 2S5 SPH
-96 2S7 SPH
-48 S29 Self-Propelled Mortar
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-286 D-20 152mm Towed
-540 D-30 122mm Towed
-408 T-12 100mm Towed
-648 BM-21 MLRS
-72 BM-27 MLRS
-402 ZSU-23 Gun SPAAGs
-74 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-240 SA-8 SAM Launchers
-192 SA-9 SAM Launchers
-244 SA-13 SAM Launchers
-40 SA-15 SAM Launchers
-106 RSD-10 Pioneer Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles
-144 SS-1 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-18 SS-23 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-108 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-384 Mi-24
-264 Mi-8
-144 Mi-2
-209 MiG-29
-396 MiG-23
-15 MiG-31
-75 MiG-25
-153 MiG-27
-60 Su-24
-45 Su-25
*Center Group of Forces (Czechoslovakia): ~85,000 Personnel
-1,020 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-755 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-936 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFV
-6 ASU-85 Assault Gun
-102 BRDM-2 AFVs
-258 2S1/2S3 SPH
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-432 D-30 122mm Towed
-142 T-12 100mm Towed
-144 BM-21 MLRS
-20 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-52 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-18 SA-5 SAM Launchers
-104 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-80 Mi-24
-50 Mi-8
-30 Mi-2
-45 MiG-23
-45 MiG-27
-45 Su-17
>>30216935
*Southern Group of Forces (Hungary): ~65,000 Personnel
-764 T-80/72/64 Tanks
-598 BMP-1/2 IFVs
-624 BTR-60/70/80 APCs
-17 BMD-1/2 IFVs
-6 ASU-85 Assault Guns
-77 BRDM-2 AFVs
-144 2S1/2S3 SPHs
-96 2S5 SPH
-24 2S7 SPH
-24 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-144 D-30 122mm Towed
-60 T-12 100mm Towed
-126 BM-21 MLRS
-54 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-80 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-32 ZSU-23 SPAAGs
-16 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-36 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-64 Mi-24
-44 Mi-8
-24 Mi-2
-45 MiG-29
-90 MiG-23
-90 Su-17
-45 Su-25
-15 MiG-21R
*Northern Group of Forces (Poland): ~58,000 Personnel
-382 T-64 Tanks
-300 BMP-1/2 IFV
-312 BTR-60/70/80 APC
-96 2S1/2S3 SPH
-36 D-30 122mm Towed
-12 T-12 100mm Towed
-36 BM-21 MLRS
-8 SS-21 Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-18 Scud Short Range Ballistic Missiles
-16 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-40 SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-27 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-52 Mi-24
-32 Mi-8
-12 Mi-2
-150 MiG-29
-50 MiG-23
-270 Su-24
>>30216941
>East Germany
*Army: 120,000 Active, 518,000 Reserve
-549 T-72M Tanks
-2,251 T-54/55 Tanks
-150 PT-76 Light Tanks
-1,130 BMP-1/2 FVs
-1,128 BTR-70 APCs
-1,480 BTR-60P APCs
-762 BTR-152 APCs
-2,000 BRDM-1 & 2 AFVs
-96 2S3 SPH
-374 2S1 SPH
-137 D-20 152mm Towed
-176 M-46 130mm Towed
-395 D-30 122mm Towed
-407 M-30 122mm Towed
-267 T-12 100mm Towed
-64 D-48 100mm Towed
-25 FROG-7 SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-2 SS-23 SSM
-131 ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs
-226 SA-4/SA-6/SA-8/SA-9/SA-13 SAM Launchers
-295 ZU-23 23mm AAA
-244 S-60 57mm AAA
-51 Mi-24
-60 Mi-8/17
-8 Mi-2
*Air Force: 39,000 Active, 37,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-48 MiG-23
-100 MiG-21
-23 Su-22
-22 MiG-21R
-3 An-14
-12 An-26
-3 Tu-134
-2 Tu-154
-24 An-2
-12 L-410
-10 Z-43
-30 Mi-8
-205 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers
*Navy: 16,300 Active, 18,000 Reserve
-5 Koni Class Frigates
-16 Parchim-I Class Corvette
-5 Tarantul-I Class Missile Boats
-10 Osa-1 Class Missile Boats
-1 BAL-COM-10 Class Missile Boat
-6 Shershen Class Torpedo Boats
-6 Libelle Class Torpedo Boats
-24 Kondor-II Class Minesweeper
-12 Frosch Class Landing Ship
-23 Su-22
-13 Mi-8
-14 Mi-14
-2 Styx Anti-Ship Missile Batteries
*Paramilitary: 40,000 Border Guard, 700,000 Worker’s Militia, 15,000 Alert Police
>>30216944
>Bulgaria
*Army: 70,000 Active, 420,000 Reserve
-334 T-72 Tanks
-80 T-62 Tanks
-1,612 T-54 Tanks
-862 T-34 Tanks
-86 BMP-2 IFVs
-31 BMP-1 IFVs
-803 BTR-60 APCs
-1,481 MT-LB APC
-450 BRDM-1/2 AFVs
-728 2S1 SPH
-13 2S3 SPH
-222 BM-21 MLRS
-40 RM-130 MLRS
-211 D-20 152mm Towed
-104 ML-20 152mm Towed
-74 M-46 130mm Towed
-40 A-19 122mm Towed
-675 M-30 122mm Towed
-24 BS-3 100mm Towed
-28 FROG-7 SSM
-36 Scud SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-30 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-400 ZU-23 23mm & S-60 57mm AAA
-50 SA-4, SA-6, SA-13 SAM Launchers
*Air Force: 22,000 Active, 45,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-70 MiG-23
-160 MiG-21
-36 MiG-19
-30 MiG-17
-21 Su-21
-40 Su-25
-10 MiG-25R
-5 MiG-17R
-10 MiG-21R
-10 Su-22R
-6 An-30 Recon
-4 An-2
-5 An-24
-5 An-26
-1 L-410
-1 Yak-40
-70 L-29
-30 L-39
-40 Mi-24
-30 Mi-8
-20 Mi-4
-10 Mi-2
-205 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers
-10 S-300 SAM Launchers
*Navy: 10,000 Active, 7,000 Reserve
-Riga Class Corvette (2)
-Poti Class ASW Corvette (5)
-Osa Class Missile Boat (6)
-Shershen Class Torpedo Boat (6)
-SO-1 Class Patrol Boat (3)
-Zhuk Class Patrol Boat (7)
-T-43 Class Minesweeper (1)
-Sonya Class Minesweeper (4)
-Romeo Class Submarines (4)
-Polnochny Class Landing Ship (2)
-Vydra Class Landing Craft (19)
-3 Mi-8
-3 Mi-4
-6 Mi-2
-6 Mi-14
-150 100mm & 130mm Coastal Guns
-2 Styx Anti-Ship Missile Battery’s
*Paramilitary: 13,000 Border Guard, 15,000 Construction Troops, 8,000 Civil Defense Troops, 15,000 Internal Troops
>>30216946
>Czechoslovakia
*Army: 145,000 Active, 250,000 Reserve
-815 T-72 Tanks
-1,543 T-55 Tanks
-1,547 T-54 Tanks
-50 T-34 Tanks
-2,252 BMP-1 IFVs
-242 BMP-2 IFVs
-464 OT-62 APCs
-1,568 OTR-64 APCs
-333 OT-810 APCs
-642 OT-65 APCs
-970 BRDM-1/2 AFVs
-360 DANA SPH
-148 2S1 SPH
-12 2S7 SPH
-8 2S4 Self-Propelled Mortar
-466 RM-70 MLRS
-388 RM-130 MLRS
-48 ML-20 152mm Towed
-113 M-46 130mm Towed
-258 D-30 122mm Towed
-995 M-30 122mm Towed
-120 A-19 120mm Towed
-559 M-53 100mm Towed
-36 FROG-7 SSM
-8 SS-21 SSM
-30 Scud SSM
-10 SS-23 SSM
-27 SA-4 SAM Launchers
~200 SA-6, SA-8, SA-9, SA-13 SAM Launchers
~500 M-53/59 Praga SPAAG
~100 S-60 57mm AAA
*Air Force: 56,000 Active, 45,000 Reserve
-20 MiG-29
-65 MiG-25
-305 MiG-21
-25 Su-25
-50 Su-7
-2 Tu-134 EW
-5 L-29 Recon
-16 MiG-21R
-10 Su-22R
-2 An-12
-16 An-24
-5 Il-14
-30 L-410
-1 Tu-134
-30 L-29
-60 L-39
-60 Mi-24
-75 Mi-8
-30 Mi-2
-250 SA-2, SA-3, & SA-5 SAM Launchers
-10 S-300 SAM Launchers
*Paramilitary: 27,000 National Security Corps, 11,000 Border Guard, 120,000 People’s Militia
http://b.1339.cf/ktwcnxn.webm
>>30216660
Left is a Typhoon, right looks like Akula-class.
>Hungary
*Army: 77,000 Active, 125,000 Reserve
-138 T-72 Tanks
-1,287 T-54/55 Tanks
-91 T-34 Tanks
-542 BMP-1 IFVs
-140 BTR-50, BTR-60, BTR-80 APC
-1,609 FUG APCs
-67 MT-LB APCs
-340 BRDM-1 AFVs
-160 BRDM-2 AFVs
-154 2S1 SPH
-18 2S3 SPH
-58 BM-21 MLRS
-308 D-20 152mm Towed
-51 D-1 152mm Towed
-235 M-30 122mm Towed
-106 MT-12 100mm Towed
-163 D-44 85mm Towed
-18 FROG-7 SSM
-9 Scud SSM
-14 ZSU-23-4 SPAAG
-144 S-60 57mm AAA
-18 SA-4 SAM Launchers
-44 SA-6 SAM Launchers
-44 SA-9 SAM Launchers
-14 SA-13 SAM Launchers
*Air Force: 22,000 Active, 9,400 Reserve
-45 MiG-23
-90 MiG-21
-10 Su-22R
-40 Mi-24
-2 An-24
-9 An-26
-5 Mi-2
-48 Mi-8
-120 SA-2 & SA-3 SAM Launchers
*Paramilitary: 15,000 Security Police, 16,000 Border Guard, 60,000 Worker’s Guard
>>30211451
Dick status: Muh
>>30211963
"Ckya blyat Vatnik! Now is not time to be of playings American rock music!
>>30211623
>more were sunk by accident rather than as target practice by NATO sub's
kek never change vatniks
>>30211604
all good i guess by your pciture your more a navy man like the other man said leo 2 Leo 2a1 or a2 anything before a4 looks like slab sides thier
>>30214889
>parity
>tactical dominance
I don't think those mean what you think they mean. War with the Soviets in 1975-1985 would have been literally like fighting Borgs.
>>30211950
>>30212870
It wouldn't. the Soviets had the numbers in a conventional war, NATO was geared up for defensive actions.
>>30216955
Dis nigga is right, Typhoon and Akula
>>30217064
GLORIOUS ROMANIA!
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>>30217081
3/12
Here is a Vulcan symbolically shitting flares on a Russian carrier
>>30217085
4/12
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5/12
>>30217097
6/12
Last exercises of soviet PMP regiment in DDR. 7 minutes for complete deployment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpD7esUuwDU
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7/12
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8/12
>>30217104
I thought that was in ukraine, guess I was wrong
>>30217109
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>>30216935
Can we not clog the thread with this shit? its now pretty much dead...
>>30217120
12/12
>>30212574
>military industrial complex
military industrial university complex
stop giving the research arm a pass.
>>30214889
Soviet strategy was always to deploy numerous operational groups, mounted in the wheeled BTRs, to quickly penetrate the NATO operational depth, causing havoc, and destroying NATO infrastructure and logistics, the primary targets being airfields.
Heavy NATO forces were particularly unsuited to intercepting these nimble pincers; the Bradley weighed almost 30t and the Abrams close to 60t by this stage, with a maximum cross-country speed of 25mph. There was no chance of any sort of US-West German counter-offensive. Ten days wasn’t nearly enough for US to get an armoured division deployed and going into an offensive via REFORGER, and the Soviets would have been long over at Rheine by then.
>>30217122
Fuck off
>>30217128
Wouldnt NATO's technological advantage stop this?
>>30217128
>>30217152
Not the dude who posted that, but fantastically though out argument there friendo
You really put him in his place, damn
>>30214465
>both M1A2s and an Armor CV, plus change
10/10 anon
>>30217138
he's got a point tho
>>30217195
He really doesn't, I liked going through all of those images
>>30217174
Why would anyone need to put out an argument to disprove something that's demonstrably not true? It's like claiming that Russia isn't in Ukraine, only a fool makes such statements that are so easily disprovable.
>>30217197
I get it m8 don't get me wrong I like the drawn uniforms and depictions and all, but I feel this thread is more photo based
>>30217150
Technological advantage doesn't win battles. Speed, aggression and mobility does. Furthermore, what specific advantages are we talking about? The 1985 M1 Abrams were still A1, manufactured with the 105mm US version of the British L7 gun, originally designed to defeat the old T-55 tanks (manufactured in 1955). Since 1993 it was conclusively shown that the 105mm gun was ineffective against T-72's frontal armor even at less than 500 meters.
>>30211755
maybe we can....modernize it?
>>30217236
>with the 105mm US version of the British L7 gun,
>M68
>a US version of the L7
How can you be this wrong?
>originally designed to defeat the old T-55 tanks
And?
>Since 1993 it was conclusively shown that the 105mm gun was ineffective against T-72's frontal armor even at less than 500 meters.
WEW LAD
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We've had more than enough of these threads on /k/ that there's zero reason to be this ignorant.
>>30217152
faggot
>>30217254
>>M68
>>a US version of the L7
>How can you be this wrong?
But he's right. Its just a US made L7. What do you think it is?
>>30217128
The problem with Reforger is that it was a pretty bad idea overall in the context of a war against the Soviets. The Reforger sites were all known to the Soviets so all they really needed to do was to drop a couple of tactical nuclear strikes on them, leaving the US with an entire Corps without any heavy equipment.
Even in the unrealistic "no nukes" scenario the first move any competent Soviet commander would do would be to bomb the sites and drop a couple of airborne battalions on them to deprive NATO of some of its best units right from the outset. In the first place the Soviet General Staff had the 'Swiss Cheese' concept. This is where the Warsaw Pact intelligence gathering and reconnaissance troops would precede the general offensive by about 72 hours. The first act of war wasn't going to be artillery, but massed jamming and disruption of military and civilian communications. What would have followed next were attempts to disrupt the command and control by assassinating military and civilian leaderships everywhere.
That's the kind of enemy the West was dealing with mere 30 years ago.
>>30211374
Two Russian tank drivers are sitting in a cafe in Paris. One turns to the other and says
>So, tell me, Yuri. Who won the air war?
>>30215640
>not knowing the soviet union was run by jewish bolsheviks
>>30216957
>FUG APCs
:DDDD
The finno-ugric ugric heritage is showing
Shitposting aside, do you have the stats for NATO and/or the neutrals.
>>30217305
No, it isn't. The M68 comes from the 105mm gun program that was named T254. The only thing that the M68 (the T254E2 variant) and L7 can share are barrels and ammunition as they both have the same twist.
>>30211963
oh yeah new phone wallpaper. thanks anon
>>30211732
Cpt. Price!
>>30212827
#giveAmericatheJohnson
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>>30214525
That guy who said that the Bundeswher is literally Iraqi tier is wrong but does raise a point about moral. The Bundeswher had really great equipment but some guys in intelligence believed the West Germans lacked the resolve to spill their own blood for their cities. For example Ralph Peters, who was a NATO intelligence officer, used what he believed to be a lack of moral in his book "Red Army."
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>>30214739
I have a little feeling, that I saw these images colored in the World in Conflict single player campaign...
Idk, maybe.
>>30217011
By the '80s the Soviets had to have Luck on their side. Even the author for that book wrote in the last section that the Soviets mostly relied on luck
Someone should make a new thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebOmKEsyDQs
>>30217236
the M1A1 introduced the 120mm, you're thinking of the M1 proper.
>>30217986
we still have some 66 posts before bump limit, might as well start linking things instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-O3kYrDPbI
>>30218117
Allright.
Have some Bulgarians catapulting out of bright orange MiG-19s so they can be used as practice targets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsm07UpMOpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrWDe9YoZlk
>>30214465
Wots this?
>>30216427
/k/ should try to play it sometime. The amount of guns are at autism levels
>>30218633
Wargame Red Dragon, Cold War gone hot RTS with fairly faithful units and gameplay and a mind boggling number of units and nations to chose from.
I quite like it, that's the after game kill list page and that T-72 had a very impressive game.
>>30211592
they could probably take on hundreds of soviets but at some point a bmp or trash-62 will kill them
>sadness
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>>30216957
no one fucking cares
we just want cool cold war pictures you autistic faggot
>>30218711
I can't get over how americans get tactical battlefield missiles, the DUTCH get them, but no eastern country has them, when in reality every single eastern country had them with no exception and they were extremely rare in nato.
>>30217138
can you stop posting your autistic garbage?
>>30219610
I was interested in the history
shame you're a bunch of ADD millennials
>>30217358
Whew lad we've had enough of these threads on /k/ for you to not be this ignorant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M68
"a United States tank gun that is a variant of Royal Ordnance L7"
>>30219678
you're copy pasting numbers and boring uniform drawings and you say that you're interested in the history?
You're actually autistic and should consult a fucking doctor
>>30219708
>"boring drawings"
Lel I'm not even that guy, but it's clear you're under 18 years old.
>>30219727
the thread was full of really nice 80's photos of various forces. If you want good pictures of those uniforms in reality you should look at those photos not the same boring uniform/forces pictures that have been reposted by this autist everytime theres a cold war thread
we'll need a new thread if we want more images.
>>30219748
"hurr boring photos"
"we want cool pictures"
grow the fuck up and learn to appreciate history. Not everything is "cool pictures" of neato tankz!
>>30218677
Oh yes, you can find every book online as PDF.
There are vehicle and weapons manuals for Warsaw pact and NATO - literally hundreds of pages of guns and vehicles.
>>30219763
Made one.
>>30219832
and you didn't link us you retard?
>>30219847
Yeah im a dum dum.
New thread.
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>>30219748
Go somewhere else you anti-intellectual shitposter.
>>30214889
>The 80s brought in all the meme stuff we all know and love (What is not MBT-70? M1, Leo 2, tea challys, etc)
Do you realize that it takes a while to equip forces with newest stuff.
Only reason Leo2, Abrams, Challenger, F-15's, F-16's, UH-60's, AH-64's and so on became so dominant part of NATO forces in early 90's is end of Cold War, troop cuts after that led to mass retirement of legacy equipment.
In mid 80's it would have been mostly single engine AH-1's, UH-1's, M60's, M48's, Leopard 1's, Phantom II's, Mirage 5's and so on.
