Is the Advanced Super Hornet actually being developed or is it purely a meme-plane?
>>30209550
>meme-plane
>meme
Stop with this shitty nonsense
The technology mostly exists. The parts least developed are the Enclosed weapons pod and the engine, there are probably functioning prototypes for the engine but not the pod. Funding has gone into the conformal fuel tanks and Australia has already said they want them. Avionics and radar upgrades are ready to be rolled out. IRST is already coming, what's left to learn is how comprehensive the IRST coverage is, 360 degrees might be on offer if you look at the program pictures. We will probably find out when details start to emerge on block two of the IRST.
I hope they go for internal IRST but the timing and block 1 of the IRST makes me think they may put it on the conformal fuel tanks.
> meme
>>30209550
Both.
Some countries might be interested in an upgrade package or for standalone elements, but nobody is really going to buy them considering their performance vs. cost unless they can't get the F-35.
Since Canada is going to buy more of those while waiting for their final decision, shouldn't they buy this version ?
>>30209550
Do you know what the word "meme" even means?
>Hint: not "something bad"
>>30210883
The only reason they're buying Super Hornets is because they're "cheaper".
ASH's are more expensive by far, while still retaining most of the 4th gen performance.
>>30210904
How would the ASH compare with the F-35 in terms of prices ?
Does it end up being more expensive like the Silent Eagle ?
>>30210925
Boeing says they can sell ASH for the same price as a block II or current super hornet.
>>30211509
Fuaking based. Hopefully Boeing will be churning out Super Dupers for at least 30 more years.
>>30210904
They're cheaper in terms of existing infrastructure and training if you already have legacy hornets. Plus if all you want is a bomb truck that can double as fighters when needed.
>>30210025
IRST is just the Legion pod, otherwise it just has laser detectors
>>30212160
The infrastructure for Super Hornets is different due to their larger size.
>>30213006
there's something like 20% commonality between the Bug and Rhino
>>30211509
Which is complete bullshit.
>>30210025
>straya
Good see hedging bets against F-35
Apparently they've purchased a squadron of Growlers to go with their two new squadrons of "stopgap" super hornets
>>30210025
360 IRST is already on the F-15 Saudi Advanced. It is crude compared to the F-35, in that it is more for "hey shits coming at me" vs "I see you."
>>30214767
one sensor on each tail "sting", one sensor on each side of the cockpit. one sensor on the spine, and some sensors underneath.
>>30210883
Nah, but that would eat away at the narrative Weedman is trying to create. They're trying to buy Super Hornets as an immediate interim replacement for the Legacy Hornets (despite the recent overhaul of the fleet that's supposed to keep them flying until 2025), so they can't really afford to wait for Super Duper Hornets.
Granted, I'd be willing to bet Weedman will try his best to get the Super Duper Hornet to be the successor instead of the F-35 because apparently he gets all his political views from Buzzfeed and Huffpo, but the Super Duper Hornet isn't available immediately like the Super Hornet is.
>>30215479
Part of the problem is that a politician can never change their minds anymore.
>>30215497
Nah it's just the standard practice of the Liberal party.
>whine about responsible military spending
>get into office
>proceed to fuck up any and all procurement, leading to drastically reduced capabilities at an increased cost
>lose office
>proceed to whine about responsible military spending as if they hadn't created the clusterfuck in the first place
>>30209550
Meme.
However, chatter about new fighter contract. Might be building some F-23s instead of rebooting 22s
>>30214160
This. That's blatant horseshit. I imagine the upgrades, sensors and weapon pod especially, will make the Super Duper even less cost competitive with the F-35
>>30215665
Do what
>>30215546
>promise to hold an open and fair selection
>pick the Hornet behind closed doors
>>30214767
aka IR MAWS
>>30215751
>end up doing what the CPC was accused of doing
>while doing it with the inferior plane
aaaaaaAAAAAAAAH
>>30215751
The worst part about it is that they're doing it in plain sight; last few months the government's had a dozen meetings with Boeing reps yet denied every single meeting request from Lockheed, with the exception of a guy talking to a Lockheed rep at the Singapore Air Show.
Why didn't they name it the Super Duper Hornet?
>>30215811
Because then the name would be just as silly as trying to sell a Gen 4++++++++ to people already wanting a Gen 5.
>>30212966
Legion pod is for the air force, Rhino IRST will be using the same primary IR sensor though.
>>30215479
He could do both if Canada was really smart, by buying block II and investing in the upgrade program. The Rhino is possibly about to become the 4th gen fighter jet of free Asia. The country could get investments into both Boeing and Lockheed and laugh their way to the bank if they're lucky.
For fun, here's a few articles.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16295/Australian_Former_Defense_Minister_Joins_Lockheed_Martin_Board__Backs__17_Billion_F_35_Buy#.V1mbISgrKCo
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-senate-not-sold-pentagons-f-35-block-buy-strategy-16512
>>30218555
If Canada was really smart they would not buy any more Hornets.
>>30218555
>buying obsolete non-stealth aircraft instead of a CHEAPER stealth modern aircraft
??
>>30219559
>cheaper
Nice try Denmark.
>>30220633
You're just mad that hueplane didn't get picked, Boeing.
>>30218555
Who in Asia is looking to buy Super Hornets?
>>30222649
Vietnam and India. Anyone who can't afford the F-35.
>>30220633
Its funny how mad Boeing shills get when accounting for airframe life actually makes F-35's cheaper than Super Hornets.
>>30222797
Vietnam is interested in F-16's, and India is already buying Rafales.
>>30223800
>Canada
>caring about airframe life
>>30223825
Phillipines maybe?
Indonesia, India, and Malaysia already went for other aircraft. Those are the 3 big buyers that could have bought Super Hornet =,
>>30224081
philippines can't afford anything
if vietnam isn't buying it, then no one in asia is left, everyone else are either settled on a diff plane or are too poor
>>30209568
I'm afraid it's not going to stop soon, mate.
>>30224139
"Can't afford anything"
Yet, and if the newly elected folks are goddamn sure enough in buying more weapons, then their defence budget will balloon enough to the point where they can buy any decent enough weapon they want.
why would they bother?
the F35 is entering full production soon.
In recent comparisons the F35 easily defeated the F18.
>>30210025
What will they do with the fuel tanks?
>>30210889
Newfags kids that have envaded /k/ talk bullshit all the time.
>>30212160
Damn right.
>>30226261
The F-35 will be like the F-22. A fine plane on paper that all the protractor nerds love, but they shut down production after a few dozen and scrap all the tooling.
>>30213006
Larger hangars and larger decks for countries that will operates them on carriers.
>>30229040
>scrap all the tooling.
Isn't this false?
>>30229040
>Has been absolutely dominant in every realistic exercise it has participated in
> only good on paper
>F-22 only good on paper
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA
>>30229090
Here, you dropped this:
>>30229104
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA
Don't be mad that reality doesn't support your autism.
>>30229040
There are already nearing 300 F-35s.
>>30229340
That's because they plan on losing so many of them.
>>30229364
Wow one UpVote to you fellow Memester. I hope this absolutely hilarious comment reached the top page! Lol
>>30229395
>this much asshurt
You're almost as defenseless as the F-35!
>>30229087
Yes. It's shitty bait.
>>30223825
Vietnam has also been reportedly interested in the Rhino. India is only buying 36 Rafale and the question of their second planned fighter line remains open. Also, the 414 is already becoming the engine of free Asia with it powering the South Korean fifth gen project. The 404 is prominent in the region too, powering the Tejas and local Gripen operators.
Honestly, the Super Hornet might have been the secret weapon in Carters "pivot to Asia."
>>30229414
>defenseless
>implying "they are building so many because they expect to lose so many" is even valid criticism
Hurr-durr Boeing shills on suicide watch
>>30229040
>, but they shut down production after a few dozen and scrap
They're making thousands of F35, tard.
I can't wait for the F-35 to become widely operational so all the retarded Sprey dick riders will fuck off to shitposting in /thg/ threads instead of fucking up every aviation thread this board has.
Yes. I mad.
We can't have one decent aviation thread due to
>hue F-35bait.jpg
>no that's retarded, here's why
>MUH TRILLION DOLLARS
>muh Canada dropped out hue hue
>muh just buy F-22s
>muh helmet
>muh melts in the rain
>hue hue hue hue
>rampant shitposting
All of these arguments were the same arguments used when the F-16 was being built. Everyone pissed and moaned and said
>WE SHOULD JUST GO FOR F-5Es!!
>The F-4 is fine, just retool it and build more
>No need for X/Y/Z
Seriously you shitters should have been alive in the 70s and you would understand why everyone's problem with the F-35 is just shitty history repeating itself.
>yfw the F-35 is going to molest anything else in the air every year for the next 20 years at redflag.
>>30231727
>single engine fighters
>>30231727
im pretty sure sprey is advising trudeau
>>30231899
Problem?
>>30232012
The RCAF needs new aircraft.
The F-35 isn't a valid option because the F-35 is still trapped in development with no end in sight.
The Super Hornet is ready and it works. It's that simple.
>>30232043
No, the RCAF's Hornets just got overhauled to keep them flying to 2025, by which point the F-35 will be more than ready. The F-35A's entering service this year with the USAF, and by the end of this decade at the latest they'll have all the integration for weapons done.
Weedman's only doing this because he ran his campaign on memes and doesn't want to admit he's wrong, so he's trying to create a narrative that lets him fulfill his campaign promises. And I guarantee the minute these guys lose office, they're going to start bitching and moaning about how irresponsible it is to have procured a whole new line of fighters only to have them serve for ~5 years as an interim (which is what Weedman's proposing now to get Super Hornets)
>>30229720
>Vietnam has also been reportedly interested in the Rhino.
[citation needed]
Also Vietnam is more likely to buy Gripens than Hornets.
>>30232043
F-35's have been on schedule for the last 5 years, and will be ready before Canada needs to replace its CF-18's.
The 'interim' buy that dudeweed wants is a poor attempt to save face.
>>30232043
Super Tucanos work, don't you think buying them is a good idea?
>>30231899
STOP BEING SO FUCKING USELESS
There is this Gripen shill and he wont shut up about how Gripen is the best for Canada even though it has shit range and a shit radar until the NG comes out, which wont be for years.
soon...
>>30232263
Horrible design, it could easily be spotted from 12 low.
If all Canada needs is something that flies and drops bombs, why not just buy F4s, call them Advanced Super Phantom, and save some dough.
>>30232109
Dude. The F-35 was supposed to be ready in 2010.
Two Thousand Ten.
It is six years late and yet it still doesn't work.
Canada can't keep waiting.
The Super Hornet is ready, and it works. Period.
>>30232443
>The F-35 was supposed to be ready in 2010.
From projections made in the mid-90's. It's held to the schedule and budget set after the restructuring of the program, and it's already entering service.
The F-35B reached IOC last year, and the F-35A is reaching IOC this year. Unless Canada suddenly decides it wants a carrier, the F-35's going to be available in the same timeframe it'd take them to procure something like the Super Hornet.
>>30232443
>The Super Hornet is ready, and it works. Period.
Yeah, great.
Whats the pressing need for fighters right this second, anon? Canada actually doing something that I'm not aware of?
>>30232443
By the time the demonstrators came out from both companys it was pushed back.
Nice meme
>>30232490
XCOM burns through planes like nobodies business
>>30232443
It works against your grandmother's defenses. Period.
>>30232443
It was supposed to be ready for the USMC IOC in 2010, it wasn't meant to finish development and have USN IOC until 2012. 5 years, nor 6 or (what you should have said) 7.
>>30232944
> Pure bullshit based on guesstimates made before the F-35 was even finalized
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stealth-fighter-contracts-1.3629403
>Lockheed gonna pull $825M in contracts if Canada doesn't buy F35
>could be $10B over program lifetime
>Turdeau will probably buy something else anyways
Are Growlers gimped in combat compared to regular Super Hornets?
What makes them valuable and why aren't others interested in them?
>>30233239
Growlers are full of EW gear and are not set up for as wide a selection of weaponry as a regular Super Hornet.
>>30233239
Growlers lose their gun, wingtip hardpoints and generally their 3 heavy hardpoints for jamming equipment and/or fuel, leaving 2 hardpoints for things like HARMs and 2 for either targeting pods or AMRAAMs.
They're good, which is why Australia is keen on them, but only if you have a decent sized fleet; they're more of a support aircraft.
>>30233269
>>30233271
Interesting, thanks!
>>30233271
They're also higher power, omnidirectional EWO planes, while the F-35 is currently limited to forward active jamming.
>>30233327
True, but that power and omni-directivity primarily comes from the pods; put them onto an F-35 and it'll be even better.
>>30232490
>Whats the pressing need for fighters right this second
There is ZERO need, our current fleet is good until 2025ish. This is typicile libtard fuckery that will wast more time and money, just like a previous liberal government did when they came into power and cancelled the replacement for our Sea King helicopters, which resulted in BIG cancellation penalties and more crashes and deaths for another 10+ years before the Conservatives retook office and had to do another replacement procurement.
>>30229040
>scrap all the tooling.
i literally use F22 tooling every day...
they didn't throw away shit.
>>30232443
>2010 = Two Thousand Ten.
Can't you people even shitpost properly anymore?
>>30236513
Did you book that job while in basic or with your recruiter?
>>30232024
>>30215718
even less cost competitive? you can buy two upgraded hornets for the initial overall price tag of a single f-35, plus save shitload of cash on maintenance over the course of next years. and you know, have two actually functional aircraft superior to one special snowflake hangar queen in both payload and operational range
>>30237115
At best it's 1.5 Super Hornets per F-35A, and the upgrades for the Super Duper will definitely put it in Eurocanard pricing range. At least. The UAE's recent F-16E/F Block 60 buy averaged $200 million each, and that's a similar low volume advanced model.
Are Hornetfags the multirole version of A10fags?
>>30232183
To be fair on at least one point there, by the time Canada actually acquires anything (2020 by the earliest) the NG will be around.
It's easy to forget acquirement time in all these competitions. They're buying as will be, not as are.
>>30237115
>you can buy two upgraded hornets for the initial overall price tag of a single f-35
No, you cannot.
>>30237155
The Hornet was such a phenomenal multi role that it earned the attack designation. Too bad the F-35 can't say the same.
>>30238545
Hornet a shit
>>30238545
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/f-16-vs-f-35-in-a-dogfight-jpo-air-force-weigh-in-on-whos-best/
>He even disdains the term “fighter” for the F-35 and F-22. “I’ve said for years and will continue to do so until the defense troglodytes finally get it (and some are slowly coming around)—5th generation aircraft are not ‘fighters’—they are ‘sensor-shooters’ optimized for different threat regimes, and can perform the roles of “F,” “B,” “A,” “RC,” “E,”EA,” and AWACS aircraft of the past.”
>>30238545
>permanently deployed air brakes
