The SCAR never really caught on like some thought it may.
Are battle rifles a meme?
Why bother with a full NATO cartridge when lol22magnum does the trick out to 550m?
>>30208531
They were never meant to replace assault rifles, they were meant to supplement them as DMRs. They caught on sufficiently for their purpose. Stop being a dingus.
>>30208531
>>30208551
Also consider that the CQC caught on just fine in the circles that needed its capabilities.
2350fps with 175gr MK316/M118LR
2675fps with 130gr MK319
You have a weapon that is more capable at both short and long ranges than an M4 or AK47 in a compact package. A very attractive alternative to humping or continually mounting/dismounting with an M110 if you don't require its precision or an 800m gasser.
We don't use 7.62 cartridges in main assault rifles anymore because it's too heavy in more ways than one. Recoil is uncontrollable for some on full auto, and you need a lot more room to carry the same amount of ammo, not to mention the weight.
However, 7.62 'battle rifles' have supplemented military forces as DMR's for quite some time. The MK17, like in your photo, is a good example of that.
>>30208531
For widespread use, battle rifles are absolutely a meme. Much of /k/ regrets they will never be Rhodesian light infantry.
Real fuckin' NATO serves a specific niche, and it is highly useful, but only in that niche. Otherwise, there's a reason intermediate cartridges are the order of the day. That's not to say it's not a great rifle and great at what it does, but what it does just isn't needed most of the time.
>>30208531
7.62 is completely outdated outside of belt fed weapons. We already had 800m effective DMR rifles with the MK12. I'm not sure how SOCOM lost the institutional knowledge of that system. It's literally just as effective.
Instead of going with a snowflake rifle they should have gotten a snowflake caliber ala .260 Remington and ran with a system that was compatible with the existing M110. Probably could have convinced everyone else to switch to .260 for SASS type guns.
Before you parrot the muh compatibility meme, be sure to realize that M118LR and MK319 exists and are complete snowflakes anyway as far as logistics are concerned. Same thing with M855 (now M855A1) and belted M855 for SAW use.
>>30208531
That's because they don't want to give their soldiers proper training with live ammo so they end up having soldiers who can't do shit but spray and pray. When they get 7.62 x 51 they can't spray and pray anymore because recoil isn't as pleasant as 5.56's.
>>30208641
It's not a matter of training, full powered rifles are substandard for infantry use and intermediate ones are much better for those purposes.
>>30208551
It definitely replaced the M4/Mk18 for Green Berets in Afghanistan for all intents and purposes.
>>30208678
Full power rifles are substandard for infantry use because infantry should use .50BMG in their rifles*
>>30208685
SOF aren't meant to engage in extended firefights in a similiar manner to common infantry, after all.
>>30208709
Ah, so you're just memeing.
>>30208685
What your source for this?
Green Berets still need the versatility of different weapon types for different uses.
>>30208685
>>30209067
Figure scar-H's would've been popular innastan because of the generally longer engagement ranges, but to say they 'replaced' the M4/Mk18 is bullshit
>>30208531
>16" barrels
That's why
>>30208631
>The SPR
>800m
I don't think so champ.
>>30208531
>The SCAR never really caught on like some thought it may.
>replaced Mk11
>replaced Mk12
>In use by over 23 countries
>virtually sold out commercially due to demand
Care to substantiate your claim with some actual facts?
>>30208631
>We already had 800m effective DMR rifles with the MK12
ufuckingwotm8
At 800m, 5.56 has less energy than a fucking .32 ACP does at the muzzle.
>>30208531
i love my SCAR 16 and would really like a 17 at some point
>>30209228
>handguard
whYyYyYyYyYyY
>>30209119
http://www.defensereview.com/tactical-ar-15m4m4a1-carbinesbr-aftermarket-accessories-for-military-combat-applications-the-competition-to-combat-crossover-part-ii/
Active duty SF. What's your background "champ"?
>>30209250
ive got the original setup and the kinetic dev group one also.. so far I like this one the best and I don't really know why
>>30209167
In my experience SCARs are very seldom used, and they're used as an automatic rifleman' weapon for how light they are and their slower rate of fire.
>replaced mk11
That must be why sniper platoons still use SASS
>replaced mk12
That would be the DD m4 uppers
>>30209228
Interesting
I love my SCAR 17 and would like a 16 at some point.
>>30209259
well, if it works best, fair enough
it just looks like shit
>>30209272
hrrrnnngnggg that Nightforce. I got a can for mine last week or so. it's been fun.
>>30209228
>>30209272
Do these images prove that short guns are only a meme?
>>30209285
>Short guns
>meme
>prove
Im 6'4"
There isnt much reason getting much shorter than 16" for me.
>>30209278
i like it but I understand. the VLTOR is a bit much. I've used the shit out of this gun with the setup I've had making it hard for me to want to switch to another setup. I'll tell you what though... SBR for this thing would get me very excite
>>30209284
I dig on high end optics.
I also think that the original vltor handguards look sweet. New ones look better filled with railscales
>this is now a SCAR thread
Am I too late to join the shitposting?
>>30209366
We're open 24 hours.
>>30209366
OP thinks mk262 is going to fragment past 300 yards, he started it with shitposting.
>>30209374
>that filename
>that pic
nice
>>30209278
different strokes for different folks, i really like dickweasels scar the way it is. i even saved one of his pics.
now if i could go back in time one year and get a used scar16 for $1700, i would. a day late and a dollar short i guess
>>30208531
the amount of tard contained in this post is incalculable
>buying a SCAR 16
Fucking why?
>>30209431
Because they're extremely reliable, comfortable to shoot, and last a long, long time.
>>30209431
Because you're a faggot, that's why.
>>30209431
Because ARs put me to sleep
>>30209439
>>30209452
You can buy 2 decent ARs for that much money
>>30209431
this is only my experience, so take what you want from it. i was very hyped about the scar 17. i finally got to shoot one and was thoroughly underwhelmed considering its price. im not saying it isnt a great gun, but to me, it isnt worth $2700+. the internet has hyped it big time and i suppose i had unrealistic expectations on what it would be like. in conclusion, unless i come across a killer deal on a 17, it will never happen for me
>>30209460
Who gives a shit? I bought the SCAR because I wanted it. And then I bought another one. AND ANOTHER ONE.
>>30209476
What were you expecting?
Shooting unicorns out the muzzle?
>>30209460
Fuck, I could buy 15 nuggets, why don't I just do that?
Seriously, the SCAR 16S is an awesome rifle and if you have a chance to shoot it I highly recommend it.
>>30209256
5.56 has less than 150 ft-ibs of energy and lost more than 60% of its initial velocity at 800m. Yeah you can engage targets at that distance but there's a point when you need to draw the line at calling it "effective" at that range.
>>30209256
Oh and would you look at that. The active duty SF guy said literally the same thing in his article.
>and a 18-inch barrel (the now retired Special Purpose Rifle MK12) although you could reach out to 750 meters with that weapon/ammo combo platform, unless you achieved a head shot, the 5.56 round (5.56x45mm NATO) is pretty anemic in terms of one shot stopping power.
The SPR is not effective at putting down targets at 800m, especially if they have literally any kind of body armor on. You can possibly suppress and score lucky hits at 800m, but even this guy says it's not that good at those distances.
>>30209389
ty sir
>>30209431
i panic bought mine right after sandy hook. I saw the 16 and said "when am I ever going to see a SCAR again" and i bought it. same with the AUG. I love both of them and they are two guns I would never get rid of. a lot of poor people don't really get buying the SCAR 16 and I dont expect them to.
>>30209256
>active duty SF
>browsing /k/
Pick one and only one
>>30209488
hard for me to articulate. i was expecting to shoot it and have it be like some kind of memorable experience. but it wasnt. it was just another rifle. easy to handle and maneuver though.
i thin it would be more appropriate to say, i had unrealistically high expectations. my very first thought after shooting it was "this isnt worth the price".
>>30209256
I'm a former SEAL and Delta Forcer transferred over to be the head sniper of the Marines. What's your fucking excuse?
>>30209660
Shooting a $300 savage is a lot like shooting a $6000 AI.
One is just better executed.
>>30209616
the aug is a more realistic buy for me, but i just cant commit to it with any certainty right now. I even bought some aug mags a year ago in preparation, who knows if i'll ever use them
>>30209616
poorfag here. I am overwhelmed by jelly. you have my dream guns... one day I'll own a scar
>>30209256
Why would you link an article that says the opposite of the pint you were trying to make?
I do want a Sure Fire suppressor now though.
>>30209678
do it man.. it's an incredible gun.
>>30209684
thanks man
>>30208531
>Are battle rifles a meme?
No. They tried to be an assault rifle replacement, failed, then found their niche as designated marksman rifles. They have remained as such for decades.
>Why bother with a full NATO cartridge when lol22magnum does the trick out to 550m?
I would pay to see someone try to kill someone on a windy day with a .22 Magnum at 550m. It'd be skit of the year. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you could have a picnic "under fire".
This, versus the NATO cartridge's weight and downrange velocity.
I seriously have no idea (other than trolling) why you would entertain a varmint round for killing at half a kilometer before a round that is perfectly comfortable up to 700m. Stop.
>>30209846
I swear, people on /k/ get dumber by the day. There's an anon in another thread that said kinetic energy isn't related to blunt force trauma.
>>30208531
>22magnum does the trick out to 550m
In what reality?
>>30210141
When your just punching paper
>>30210141
>lol22magnum
He was trying to be funny.
>>30210320
But not really
>>30208607
>Lot more room
Yes, that's true
>Weight
Barely a pound in difference with 5 magazines but at the same time, the weight factor also attributes to the weapon it's using plus the amount of gear
>>30208631
>.260
>Not renecking 5.56 to 7mm or 6.5
>>30209271
>In my experience SCARs are very seldom used, and they're used as an automatic rifleman' weapon for how light they are and their slower rate of fire.
did you have a fucking stroke bud?
>>30211037
but anon, its common knowledge that wounding someone causes the enemy army to use up more resources to care for the wounded.
>>30209641
t. illiterate sperg
>>30211088
not if they come to you for medical suppliies...
>>30211059
Yeah no
>>30209616
I am not poor and I still don't understand why would I buy a scar 16 over other rifle's in its price range.
>>30209616
Nice AUG nigga, but I bet that railed section gets hot as fucking balls being so connected the receiver
>>30211445
Why? A little experimentation with propellant and primer formulas along with neck shoulder angles should give it a good start
>>30212046
If you want to go to special snowflake in an AR15 chassis a .243 LBC or 6x6.8spc is the way to go IMHO.
Staying hamstrung by the .223 case capacity is not going to yield superior results.
>>30212181
Pretty much this, 6x45 is about as good as a parent 5.56 case gets for external ballistics and even then it is marginal compared to what you can do with a Grendel/PPC or SPC case.
>>30208531
Not all SCARs are battle rifles.
>meme
Meme
>>30212820
ugly as fuck
>>30213371
K
>>30212181
7mm and 6.5mm TCU actually have great potential.
>>30213396
Care to elaborate?
I'm not up on them much besides some dated stuff.
>>30209641
Stop being jelly
>>30208631
Nigga u dumb
>>30208607
Most soilders aren't issued full retard anyway
>>30209616
Sup nigga
I see u also have an A3 CQC. Did u buy it from Pete Athens?
>all these overpriced AR-10 special snowflake fags
Admit it. You played MW2 and wanted a SCAR
>>30209311
How much would that exact setup on a 20'' .308 model run me?
>>30216362
20" bbl not out yet
But thats the KDG stock - $300
vltor handguard w/ extension - $300
add in light. vfg. and optic.
>>30209678
How much did you pay each? Trying to find a few more for mine.
>>30213405
They're basically wildcat cartridges made by a company. Necked up .223/5.56 for hunting game and sports shooting. It can be used in break action, hunting handguns, semi automatics and bolt actions.
7mm TCU loadings
>http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/
6.5 TCU loading (14" Barrel)
>https://www.loaddata.com/Cartridge/65-TCU-65mm-TCU-14-inch-barrel/993
>>30209067
Wow, didn't know that The Mountain did work or the Rangers as well.
>>30209431
Muh SCAR, muh SF
>>30211598
i was just fuckin with you m8, i have an AR as well. I prefer the SCAR and have used it a lot more but as far as money i cant recommend you purchase one unless you really like it. I bought one at first because I thought it would be cool to have a SCAR and ended up falling in love with it. the side charging really hooked me to begin with. ive beaten this rifle to shit and there has never been a single issue. as for other rifles in its price range it depends entirely on what rifles you are talking about
>>30211632
It's not too bad really but then again I wear gloves a lot of times. I love your aug btw. the classic look is great.
>>30215139
I bought mine from a friend and i'm not sure if he bought his from Pete but I am familiar with the company that sells and attaches the CQC kits if this is the same one were talking about and he may have had his regular A3 sent out for it to be added on. and wow! you are the only other person I've spoken to with the CQC kit which is pretty cool
>>30215214
partially why i wanted mine to begin with.. same with bf3 and the CQC AUG
>>30216362
Rough estimates here..
Rifle itself new is around $2600-2800
TA33 new is around $1100
RMR up top around $500
Surefire $250
VLTOR $300
KDG Stock $200 or so
Foregrip $30?
>>30209678
I'll buy them off you if you're asking a decent price.
[email protected]
>>30211632
>16"
>Black
So close to perfection yet so far.
>>30209571
>Yeah you can engage targets at that distance but there's a point when you need to draw the line at calling it "effective" at that range.
Care to stand down range at 800m as target to prove your point?
>>30218034
You fire .223
I fire .308
800m apart?
Sure, ill take those odds.
>Basically every modern army replaces their 7.xx battle rifles with 5.xx assault rifles.
>/k/ somehow thinks that battle rifles have an important place in combat
Battle rifles are /k/ memes, because they usually are more expensive than 5.56 semi auto rifles and you know how /k/ is, it's a big circlejerk of attentionwhoring to see who shows off more.
>>30218075
>Anon thinks what ideal for an army is ideal for other anons who live in the suburbs.
>>30218093
>Implying a .308 semi auto rifle is ideal in the suburbs.
>>30218138
Not implying that at all.
What im getting at is that a weapon thats ideal for a fire team/squad/platoon/company/etc of soldiers who have logistical, artillery, and CAS support, might not be ideal for someone who doesn't have the goals or support of a miltary.
Rifleman dont really get the kills on the modern battlefield anyway. Belt fed and artillery does by and large.
>>30218034
>Care to stand down range at 800m as target to prove your point?
This is always such a shitty argument.
>>30208531
Because army is too poor to afford airforce hardware.
>>30219661
FNH sells SCAR 16s to departments for under $1000 routinely.
>>30218034
Look at this faggit
>>30209067
Question: why is it that special operations forces in the US are comprised of almost entirely white guys? Do blacks and Hispanics just not apply as much?
>>30209167
I knew the little brother of the guy in your pic, it's a shame his little brother didn't go as far as he did in the Marines.
>>30221299
White people are vastly superior in terms of anything (read everything).
What is the longest range confirmed kill with 5.56x45? Easy way to tell if the cartridge has enough velocity left past 800m to penetrate. My suspicion is that, assuming you can account for wind, you'd probably have enough oomph to puncture a lung at what, 900fps?
I know Jim Gilliland has the longest confirmed kill with 7.62x51 at 1250m.
>>30211037
>that maximum shill for the SCAR
ok, it's a good gun but holy fuck i can see this guy trying to market everyshit from miles away
also let's not forgot one thing :
7.62 sucks for short range because the round will just go through the target body without time to expand inside of it, so either you have one guy with the 7.62 for DMR use, either you whole group as to carry two type of ammunition
>>30222143
>7.62 sucks for short range because the round will just go through the target body without time to expand inside of it,
If you are on the pipeline for a SCAR you are also on the pipeline for MK316 and MK319. Leave the M80 in the 240s.
>>30208531
If you need to tackle plate and bears, keep a 308 handy, if you need general warfighting, 556 is the way
>>30222222
Nice digits. I like you.
>>30222222
The truth has been spoken, basically you are all faggots in its awe
>>30221398
except dick size.
I'm gonna go get me sum more white college girlz.
Stay mad while I cuck, whiteboi.
>>30222283
There's more to life than aids and herpes you simple minded ape.
>>30222222
WTFFFFFFFFFFF
WITNESSED1
>>30222222
whew
>>30222297
u right dawg. I buy the rest with my welfare check.
Shit mang, dat need based free ride for college was pretty legit too.
Toil away, whittie. Toil away.
>>30222490
The SR-25 mag lower is a bigger surprise to me than anything else on what appears to be an issued rifle.
>>30208641
>because recoil
Not just recoil. Battle rifles are heavier than assault rifles, and it takes extra strength to handle it.
On a bright side - when I get my 5.56 poodle shooter, it feels like a feather compared to 7.62 NATO, and not only I don't have any problems with recoil and accuracy, I'm also getting a wide grin for the rest of the day. Too easy.
>>30222538
logistics
Speaking of SCAR, whatever happened to the MSBS? used to hear about it all the time and want the fuck out of one, but you never hear about them on /k/ anymore.
>>30222278
I want that shirt.
>>30222479
>>30222518
Airsoft
>>30209067
He's a big guy.
>>30221299
>>30221398
You dudes might be interested in http://www.unz.com/isteve/among-navy-seals-enlistees-more-native-americans-than-blacks/
>red indians master race apparently
>>30222657
What can I say, if they follow their warrior traditions in battle, they might ascend to chief of their tribes
>>30222620
>What happened to the Masada
>What happened to the ACR
>What happened to the Remington ACR
>What happened to the MSBS
Just give up on it already. You're just going to be a beta tester like everyone who bought the ACR.
>>30222627
Is a nice shirt, yes.
>>30222323
>>30222283
>>30221398
i think you guys are on the wrong board
this is the weapons board, /k/, not /pol/
>>30208531
I just got a SCAR a-am I c-cool yet?
>>30222871
Needa shut your pipsqueak face, before I ficki ficki, all over it.
>>30209067
holy fucking fuck of all great gods fuck.
I deployed with adam back in '11.
Used to lift excessively to katy perry and lady gaga and would drink a shit ton
this is fucking insane
>>30221299
Whites are better at war
>>30217596
Yeah, I've talked to you about getting the "20 but I'm not giving the jews over at Steyr any more of my money. I need to save my money now.
>>30217503
I love it, man, it's heavier than just about every AR-15 but a lot of it is meant to balance out the weight of the heavy receiver in the front. It's a tank and I goddamn love it. Had my entire family shoot it this January, they all said it ended up being their favorite.
>>30222936
what does that even mean?
>>30222924
Yes. Yes you are.
http://shop.shootingsight.com/Scar-16-17-Adjustable-2-Stage-Trigger-SCAR-Trigger.htm
There's also Geiselle and Timney to consider if you aren't patient enough to wear it in normally.
>>30223355
If only it had interchangeable pistol grips.
>>30223430
Eh, I don't mind it, it's pretty damn comfy, especially for gloved use. Tt takes very little effort to move the forward grip from horizontal to vertical. Would be neat as fuck to have, but Stayr would demand 500$ for it. And then 50$ for a proprietary grip and trigger guard.
Only real problem I've noticed is the sharp edges on the safety, but those can easily be sanded down.
>>30223572
>Only notices the sharp edges on the safety.
Have you not also noticed that it rubs down the charging handle if you try to use the forward assist because the optic is in the way?
>>30223572
I've got giant hands
>>30223596
As much as I do notice that, I was specifically speaking of the area around the pistol grip. I'll probably just change it out for aftermarket.
>>30223611
Market just isn't big enough for them yet, though there are already wrap around sections.
I really have to take more pictures.
I love my 17S
>>30223370
Hmmm I'm interested on the wearing in normal part...
>>30223662
I'd likely try an aftermarket trigger housing if I want bullpup
>>30213394
that's kind of cool
>>30208631
>260 Remington
plz no
>>30223811
Reminds me, I need to build up a rifle from that creedmoor barrel I've had laying around for.... beyond too long.
>>30221299
You need to be pretty bright in order to be in any SF. The average Amerinigger has an IQ of 85, hispanics are about the same at about 90. Non-hispanic whites have an average IQ around 100 thus most non-whites tend to wash out at higher rates. Also as to what >>30222657 is talking about with Native Americans, most are highly mixed with whites and only like 1/4 Ameri-indian and have average IQs closer to Hispanics. Now the biggest thing that IQ relates to here in populations is culture and behavior. Lower IQ individuals tend to have impulse control issues among other things which all leads to fewer people of lower IQ populations passing. North East Asians have an average IQ around 100-105 however very few of them join the military and they're also a tiny fraction of the US population anyway.
![IMG-7549[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ou69WmZ.jpg "IMG-7549[1].jpg")
>>30223718
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/26/trigger-pulls-good-bad-ugly/
Alright. So the civ SCAR comes pretty much like it gets delivered to the military, which means a standard single stage trigger.
That means it can vary quite a bit. Heard anywhere from 6.5 to 9lbs but 7-8 seems to be the most common... at least from people who actually bothered to measure it and aren't making it up from "feel" or just outright complaining that the trigger should be perfect from the start.
I can't give you a specific number and if you don't have a trigger pull scale you might not even be able to tell if and when you did break it in. My advice to you is to just do your usual dry-firing with snap caps and not try and cheat with the dremel or we will see you in a greentext story thread or your gun for sale as "like-new".
>>30223990
My stock SCAR trigger is fine.
It's a 7lb trigger, clean, not too long.
Got a deal on the super scar trigger for $100 off. Snatched it up. My next SCAR is going to have a shooting site trigger.
>>30223990
So is the Geiselle trigger worth it?
>>30223811
It just didn't get any support from Remington. The cartridge is great.
>>30208531
>The SCAR never really caught on like some thought it may.
It wasn't meant to "catch on" because it was designed specifically for a certain customer. Everyone else gets to pay ~$3k for the privilege to own a rifle that takes proprietary magazines while FNH laughs all the way to the bank.
It's not a bad rifle, but for that much money I don't want to have to put up with a stock I'd rather replace and having to swap to a third party lower to use plentiful and cheap pmags.
>>30224133
absolutely.
>>30224133
It was built for the MK20 variant and became so popular that they invested in the tooling to mass produce it versus machining it... which dropped the price by $75.
The Shooting Sight trigger is the new guy and they have features that make it an interesting buy. I don't doubt that you'd be happy with either choice.
>>30224228
Oal issues with 140g ammo says it's merely okau
>>30224355
Five companies make SCAR mags.
They are not proprietary
>>30209228
i like my scar 17 and will never buy a shitty designed to wound 16
>>30209431
this
>>30224626
It seems fitting that /k/ is using a club.
>>30209067
I worked with four SF teams last year in Afghanistan.
>>30209096
See:
>>30227237
I also said "for all intents and purposes"
>>30221299
Probably because a lot of whites join up to fight. I also noticed this. There were quite a few Hispanics, however.
>>30209067
Can we have some diversity please?
You are not representing all the races and cultures in America.
Shame on you.
>>30226978
You know how I know you're poor? By your optics choice. Stfu about the 16
>>30222620
>>30222691
They went into the garbage with all the other failed AR-18 derivative rifle programs.
>>30209285
i was trying to find picture of babby scar, but have this FN picture
>>30222744
Do you have the sauce on the shirt or not?
>>30228318
>baby SCAR you say?
>>30228168
SCAR is far from failed mang.
>>30228347
i meant this >>30213394
>>30228357
You know that's airshit, right? At least the PDW is real.
>>30228354
He's trolling, broseph. The SCAR, G36, MSBS, and the Sig MCX are all based on the AR-18 action.
Although I think all of them but the MCX use a tappet short stroke without a dedicated return springs, but I may be wrong on that count.
>>30228441
>I think all of them but the MCX use a tappet short stroke without a dedicated return springs
The SCAR is the only tappet system of that list. MCX, G36, ACR, MSBS etc all use piston op rods with return springs.
>>30228430
yeah, but it's still cute
>>30208597
The scar isn't as adept for cqc than the M4, it has more recoil, less magazine capacity, and is a heavier, harder to maneuver rifle. Meme all you want about being weak, you want a lighter, smaller firearm if you're getting into closed quarters, and that's where the M4 shines over the SCAR H. On the other hand, as a DMR or long range engagement rifle with capabilities of moving close in, the SCAR H is perfectly capable of doing the job, more so than an M4.
>>30228535
Why u comparing a 762 to a 556?
>>30228535
>Being this new
