>Russia in charge of building ships
The Admiral Essen?
>>30206762
Grigorovich
I'll admit my autism is kicking in when I see the uncentered rocket thing, but what is actually wrong with Russian ships?
>>30206762
Essen has black paint on its tip.
>>30206807
>what is actually wrong with Russian ships?
Russians
Left side was measured in yards
Right side was measured in meters
>>30206659
Doesn't it cost something like $200 million only?
>>30206815
Still not as bad as the Second Pacific Squadron
>>30206927
It's an upgrade of a monkey model Talwar frigate that is being built for India. So it's cheap and the workers has experience building it.
>>30206659
This ship really lacking symmetry. Well, at least they trying.
>>30207072
>Trying
>>30206807
>my autism is kicking in when I see the uncentered rocket thing
have a grisha then
>>30207350
>>30206846
Sounds like something the US could do.
>>30206813
>>30206659
>Russian ship without red deck
Absolutely disgusting.
>>30206659
Not a shipfag.
What's wrong with this?
>>30206659
is that guy shooting up?
>>30206659
How are they going to shoot straight forward?
>>30207873
autists on /k/ have an unnecessary obsession with symmetry. The anti-submarine rocket launcher is offset slightly.
>>30206659
Definitely more aesthetically pleasing than western designed ships, imo
>>30207939
The irrational Russia hate here is reaching levels of Arfcom froth.
>>30207975
>irrational
WHERE ARE YOUR PROOFS
>>30207882
>I didn't know krokodiles were sea creatures!
>comrade, 2 very important things to bring on boat
>1 is fruit, preventings of scurvy
>2 is of krokodile, preventings of shakes.
>>30208001
See?
>>30206659
Holy fuck the more I look at this image the more mad I get
THERE'S SO MANY NON-SYMMETRICAL THINGS
>>30207963
That's one of the new frigates they're building, right? Actually looks pretty nice.
>>30206807
Russia has a long and proud tradition of designing murder machines.
However, due to a fundamental misunderstanding, they mostly kill their own crew.
Memes aside, Russia hasn't invested too much in their navy. The Japanese seemed to have kicked their shit in so hard they just lost the will to into-boats. Even at its peak the soviet navy was leagues behind the US Navy. The Russian navy as it is probably couldn't take the British navy, despite Britain being significantly smaller and investing less in their military.
Most Russian boats are leftover soviet designs with critical maintenance issues, compounded by the fact that one of their main shipyards was in Ukraine (not exactly Russia's friend right now).
The Russians are repairing and refitting an aircraft carrier for India just so they can RELEARN how to build Carriers, since their current carrier is unreliable and breaks down at the drop of a hat. This process has seen cost overruns, extra time, and generally has been a shitshow as Russian corruption/incompetence at shipbuilding and Indian corruption/deal renegotiation habits collide in a spectacular shitshow.
>>30208080
To be fair they are trying to modernize, particularly as the artic circle becomes the new untapped resource treasure-trove of the 21st century.
But they really have some catching up to do.
>>30206659
This is most likely the design of the ship.
fake, not enough rust to be russian
>>30207975
>>30208040
Your victim complex is showing.
>>30208069
Hey
Check thin out, anon
Hey, anon, take a look
Hey, anon
chinese design the most aesthetically pleasing botes.
>>30208150
why you do dis to me anon
>>30208158
Nah, US does IMO.
Freedom Class is top tier.
The Spearhead Class Fast transport is straight out of the future. Pic related.
>>30207963
100% sexy balance between stealthy and length/size ratios
>>30208189
>>30208216
We said ships, not boats.
>(Its also ugly as shit)
>>30206846
>Left side was measured in yards
Sounds like bullshit, slavs don't use burger measurements, they're metric just like everyone else.
>>30208236
Autism speaks.
>>30208189
>>30208216
Step aside, weirdo wimps.
>>30208117
>Be not Russian
>Accused of having Russian victim complex
Fatniks, everyone. Observe them in their pitiful natural environment.
>>30208263
>faggot ass obstructive missile launchers
No lines, no aggressive stance, nothing.
Plus the a Spearhead is getting a railgun (fortestingpurposesonly) so fuck off.
>>30208210
Gorshkov must be of the most sexy hull shapes I have ever saw. It's long and sleek and harmoniously balanced and built up so damn fine.
>>30208080
>despite Britain being significantly smaller and investing less in their military.
the british economy is substantially larger than the russian economy, they can afford nicer things
>>30208274
>Posts Spearhead
>Talks about lines and aggressive stance
Keks were top.
>>30208080
That's hardly surprising. Russia is a natural land-power, not a sea one.
>>30208074
Gepard-class sexy af
>>30208326
Bora has no fucking lines. Its a block of shit.
>>30208358
>Posts Spearhead
>Talks about a block of shit
Toppest of all the top keks.
>>30208373
>rebuts with bora
I mean, the fucking bora?!
Jesus fuckin...I dont even know kid, i dont even know.
Bora class a shit.
Spearhead is king. Bora puny.
PUNY.
>>30208404
>>30208189
A
FUCKING
CAR
FERRY
>>30208427
Car Ferry with railguns.
You upset?
>>30208404
>Posts Spearhead
>The literal brick of shit with no lines whatsoever
My keks to the orbit.
>>30208438
>with railguns
Kid, pls.
>>30208447
Its not a joke, fuccboi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Trenton_(T-EPF-5)
>>30208269
>literally nothing in the post you originally replied to was anything like 'muh russian hate'
>get anal anguished
>muh fatnik
>wonder why people call you a vatnik
>>30208440
>actually blind to any and all lines
Wew lad.
>>30208080
They actually possess two of the strongest surface warfare ships in the world in the Kirovs, if only they'd take the time to restore them.
Still, it appears that the RN has been cursed by some mavolent deity a century or two ago.
>>30208471
>Lines of a literal brick of shit
Keks have achieved orbit.
>>30208470
>Assumes there is one poster in this entire thread
>Throws around retarded names his retarded ass inherited from Krautchan's /int/ which he has never even visited and doesn't understand the origin
>Still huffing and puffing like a retard instead of accepting his low status ans sitting quietly in the corner.
Haha, Fatniks are the worst.
Someone should make a website like People of Walmart, except with screencaps of Fatnik posts from /k/ and Arfcom.
>>30208492
>all that projecting
WEW LAD
E
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A
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>>30208316
I meant manpower and resources. But yes, their economy is larger. Russia spends more on defense though, for shitty results boat-wise
>>30208327
I agree. But as North Pole exploration becomes a bigger deal and as they attempt to expand it will mean they need a buffer against American boats to the north and the ability to control the Black Sea
>>30208488
>>Lines of a literal brick of shit
I know, the puny Bora class is fucking horrendous.
Puny manlet ship for a puny manlet nation.
>>30208236
>burger measurements
You know what the best measurement I ever heard used in the US navy was?
Kiloyards
really.
>>30208540
An oversized brick of shit is still a brick of shit, Jeugene.
>>30208543
>Kiloyards
No fucking way this is re... holy shit, it is.
>>30207072
You're right. The ship is seriously imbalanced.
Sloppy shipbuilding. It's embarrassing, actually.
>>30208600
>An oversized brick of shit is still a brick of shit, Jeugene
>>Having literally zero taste
Whats it like? Do you get a handicapped sticker?
>>30208600
>>30208543
Kiloyards. Kiloyards?! Might as well have measured in kellicams.
>>30208492
The fatnick insult Is a demonstration of exactly what is wrong with Russia.
They take something used against them, copy it, change it slightly, call it theirs then use it against the originator.
Russian engineers are given a camera before a calculator.
>>30208626
>Having taste for a literal brick of shit
I don't know what is it like, but judging from your behaviour it must be pretty damn salty.
>>30208636
Coming up with negative terms for Americans should be left to Americans.
Americans = Politoschizos.
See Russia? I have defeated you with the power of Portmanteau.
>>30208652
The only salt here is from the ruskies posting a manlet ship, as if it can compete with the God tier Spearhead.
>>30208269
>don't assume I am Russian because I got butthurt
>everyone who criticizes Russia is American
wew
>>30208302
That looks awesome, but would look even better if the gun was moved further back. You're right about the hull though, that is beautiful.
>>30208492
>thinks krautchan made up the term vatnik
Wanna know how I know you're an angry vatnik that doesn't know what they're talking about?
>>30208738
Of course it did.
You have no idea how much of the vernacular on 4chan is pilfered from KC. It's more clever than this place.
>>30207620
This.
>>30208744
>You have no idea how much of the vernacular on 4chan is pilfered from KC
WEW LAD
E
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>>30208158
>>30208189
nigga plz
>>30208158
The 055 will be the most aesthetic 10k+ tonnage warship.
...Not that it is hard, since the Ticonderoga was always ugly as shit, while the Zumwalt is just an abonmination. And those future Japanese 10k+ ton destroyers (27DD?) will merely be a slightly larger Burke copy, so also mediocre in looks.
>>30207893
The mast on the front comes down.
>>30208744
>blaming a website nobody goes to for a term that people have been using since before the internet was invented
>>30208769
>while the Zumwalt is just an abonmination
Troglodyte please.
Zumwalt is the future.
CSS Virginia combined with an Imperial Star Destroyer and it is awesome.
>>30208823
>1000 round missile capacity
Oh god yes, my dick.
>>30207975
>>30208040
>>30208117
dunno cuz I'd bet everyone is fucking retarded
I'm only mad at the hypocrisy
>>30208744
>You have no idea how much of the vernacular on 4chan is pilfered from KC
I bet you are one of those people who hears covered songs in movies and thinks they're original soundtrack pieces.
>>30208695
Said American posting the artefact standard of a brick of shit, as if anyone would ever want to compete it.
>>30208777
2011 is before the internet was invented? Whew, looks like we got ourselves a newfrind here.
I fully understand why ships today look, and are built, like they are but I still can't say I like it. When I hear the word "Warship" I can't help but think of something like this.
Curves, thick armor, bristling with guns.
>>30208897
Well...
>>30208863
>Said American posting the artefact standard of a brick of shit, as if anyone would ever want to compete it.
I BROKE THE RUSSIAN!
>>30208874
Hey autisimo, you missed a spot there.
Might want to clean that up.
>>30208925
Only thing you broke is the Guinness record for the heaviest brick of shit afloat.
>>30208958
>heaviest brick of shit afloat
But the Admiral Kuznetsov is bigger?
>>30208969
But the Spearhead is the brick-of-shitter.
>>30208923
Oh damn, I like how the exhaust is built into the tower like that
That certainly is a nice ship
What would a raillgun era battleship look like? A bigger version of the Zumualt? or would larger ships be impractical?
>>30208486
Russian navy has been serving almost exactly the same purpose for the last 300 years. It's priorities for the next 25+ years would be nuclear deterrence, disrupting enemy's amphibious assaults along the coasts and shipping lanes security. All you need for that is a bunch of corvettes, frigates, diesel boats and ballistic missile submarines. Leave it to China and US to catfight over few pisshole islands in the Pacific.
>>30208513
As the North Pole exploration becomes a bigger deal Americans suddenly realize they have no icebreakers, ice-hardened vessels or ports above the Polar circle, which means that Russia has won the Arctic war long before it even began.
>>30210005
One of the major drivers of interest in the arctic is the lessening need for icebreakers and ice hardended ships.
>>30209863
You don't really need anything larger than a current DDG. DDG powerplants are more than capable of powering railguns at a sustained rate of fire while running all the other equipment on board and what drove the upsizing of battleships was the need to support larger and larger guns, something a railgun doesn't need.
>>30210005
>Reason for renewed interest in the arctic is how the ice is melting and any vessel can now go through
>The primary method of power projection in the arctic is submarines
>MUH ICEBREAKERS WIN THE DAY
No.
>>30206813
why do the russians have a ship named after a german city?
>>30210124
I'm guessing that it's actually named after some obscure Russian military leader/naval commander, as many Russian ships share this criteria, and in pre-soviet Russia, there were a lot of people in Russia who had partially German names (many ships are named after pre-soviet people too). I'm too lazy to actually search this up but this is my guess.
>>30210374
Right you are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Essen
>>30207873
nothing
it's anti-russian shills and day/k/are shitting up the place
What a shit thread. Nothing of value has been said. Just a bunch of retards screaming. Bravo. Fucking kill yourselves.
>>30210097
>>30210118
i'm genuinely flabbergasted every time americans open their mouths on the subject of climate change. do they legitimately teach 'global warming' in u.s. like a quasi-religion or something? like, some liberal professor preaches college undergrads that white man and his evil industrial waste punches holes in ozone layer and whole ice in the arctic literally melts forever?
>>30208769
>Chinks
>Anything
No thank you.
>>30206938
Holy fuck I thought the greentext verison was funny enough, this is pure comedic gold.
>>30208080
As far as I know their subs are superior, even US admirals have admitted to this.
>>30210492
>global warming
>holes in the o-zone layer
Is this bait or are you really this retarded ?
>>30208467
Haha, cute. But no, using a highly experimental weapon like that could cause an international incident. Maybe they'd try it if it were to stuff ballistic missiles in boost phase, idk. Something super special super secret.
>>30208823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWOVfY-rxU
>>30207975
+25 rub
Soon...
>>30212142
>>30210124
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Essen
>>30208080
To be fair Russia doesn't really need a strong Navy, they know it's impossible to stop US from bringing troops to Europe and so it's better for them to build up land defense then to spend money on ships.
>>30212231
>>30210492
The hole in the o-zone has been repairing itself since we changed the chemicals in aerosol cans.
Global warming is still happening, arctic ice is at an all time low, and droughts in the middle east/africa are contributing to terrorism/refugees. It's a fairly well accepted reality by modern military planers.
https://climateandsecurity.org/2014/10/13/military-leaders-agree-with-pentagon-climate-change-an-immediate-risk-to-national-security/
>>30208263
Tactical barge
>>30207939
>autists on /k/ have an unnecessary obsession with symmetry.
Pity they haven't seen boobs up close then.
>>30208080
>probably couldn't take the British navy, despite Britain being significantly smaller and investing less in their military.
Hahahaha. Russian subs regularly pass through UK's waters undetected. Shows you how much of that "investment" is worth.
>The Russians are repairing and refitting an aircraft carrier for India
This was finished when, way back in 2014?
>RELEARN how to build Carriers
You don't relearn building by just fixing and overhauling.
They don't know how to build carriers. Period.
>The Japanese seemed to have kicked their shit in so hard they just lost the will to into-boats
And the Rooskies liberated them so hard in Manchuria the JGSDF is now convoy security detail.
>>30208471
>>30208440
Why are lines so important ?
>>30210097
>One of the major drivers of interest in the arctic is the lessening need for icebreakers and ice hardended ships.
Its going to be only relatively ice free in the summer, the rest of the year you still need icebreakers to clear the way to ensure the route remains viable. Also even in summers there is the danger of huge as fuck blocks of ice blocking the route in some parts.
>>30212159
Imperial Japan called. They want their pagoda masts back.
>>30212540
>Global warming is still happening
why doesn't the antarctic melt? it's 'global' warming, right? oh ok i get it, the globe probably melts from the top
>>30214969
It is melting. But unlike the north pole, it's a continent and not just floating ice. In the mean time. we'll also see more droughts and unusual weather patterns.
Anyways, not even oil company shills deny that global warming is happening. They just claim it's not caused by humans, or that it won't be as bad in the long term. If you seriously think global warming is completely false you are retarded. Glaciers are receding and sea ice is melting. These are all things that are documented and happening right now as we speak.
>>30215049
> If you seriously think global warming is completely false you are retarded.
i never meant to offend your religious feelings
>>30213951
And India was not exactly thrilled with the job they did.
You CAN loose expertise (and thus knowledge). This was an attempt to regain some of said expertise.
>what is the Russo-Japanese war.
I wasn't talking ww2. In the Russo-Japanese war in the early 20th they got BTFO'd hard. Even navally they were humiliated. Particularly when the Royal Navy threatened to sink the entire Russian navy over a shipping issue (Russians shoot Brit boat. Brits demanded compensation at gun point).
Submarines cross into other people's waters regularly, on both sides. But subs are hardly the only combatants, nor do they solely matter. Subs have literally rammed each other before, not realizing the other was there. THAT should put into perspective how hard it can be to find those fucking things. Seas are big. Bigger than we can probably comprehend. Deeper than the tallest buildings are tall, and can be wider than Russia itself. The ability to sneak past naval defenses with a sub isn't necessarily a huge accomplishment, and frankly it is possible that the Brits may allow it if only to preserve the existence of some submarine-hunting tech (such actions have precedent. The Americans tapped soviet sub locations and largely left them unmolested during the 60s. Brits allowed nazi subs to move and act in some cases to preserve the secret of ENIGMA being cracked). I doubt this tho.
>>30210979
Diesel subs tended to be quieter for a long time. This claim sounds like "mo money" concerns, the US was largely confident in its sub fleet for the past 70-odd years. Unless Russia made a breakthrough in the last 20 years I don't see this being true. They've made AShM improvements, so perhaps their Dakka has improved, but detection, etc., I sincerely doubt. Being undetected and getting accurate shots in then GTFO'ing is the name of the game. I don't doubt Russian subs are good. But as a whole their navy has historically sucked the donkey dick, like they destroyed some vengeful sea-god's temple
>>30215289
>>30208080
These posts took nation-dissing to an art form. You owe me a new pair of sides, anon.
>>30212142
>>30212159
>Project 23560E
>E
Destroyer confirmed for Escort.
They should be making carriers so their destroyers can escort.
>>30210979
>Russian operating anything which is superior to the Seawolf or Virginia.
>>30206659
>Russia in charge of building ships
>Rippling
It's not even armored.
>>30212142
>>30212159
This thing looks like it is designed to be upgraded with laser cannons or something in the long run.
>>30215496
It's an export. Not only is that only a design passed by a firm that is not agreed upon by MoD, it is also passed as an export monkey model that has only passed the 'design' phase, probably made by college interns for the company.
>>30206659
No we dont
>>30207350
>>30207353
WHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>tfw German navy is a complete joke
Literally only have a handful of frigates.
>>30215481
Darker version
>Britain in charge of building ships
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/destroyers-will-break-down-if-sent-to-middle-east-admits-royal-navy
>>30215289
>And India was not exactly thrilled with the job they did.
Who gives a fuck what those streetshitters say?
Can't find anywhere else on the planet who is willing to convert a carrier with that stinker of a budget.
>You CAN loose expertise (and thus knowledge). This was an attempt to regain some of said expertise.
And what expertise did they get converting that hulk that is in any way going to be relevant 15 years from now when they seriously consider making real ACs?
>I wasn't talking ww2.
But you were talking about an event that is even more irrelevant to today's Russian Navy...
>In the Russo-Japanese war in the early 20th they got BTFO'd hard.
And? They paid that shit with interest when they got cocky a few years later and got BTFO'd in Manchuria. Being dumbasses that they were they proceeded to sooth their butthurt by sneak attacking Western colonies in the Pacific, then doing the unthinkable...
>Particularly when the Royal Navy threatened to sink the entire Russian navy over a shipping issue (Russians shoot Brit boat. Brits demanded compensation at gun point).
Not really. They tailed the Rooskies sure, but the Bongs were placated with a fall guy left behind with promise of an investigation.
>The ability to sneak past naval defenses with a sub isn't necessarily a huge accomplishment,
But it is. If you can sneak past defences you can camp in supposedly safe waters for the Bong Boomers. No Boomer, no deterrent.
>frankly it is possible that the Brits may allow it if only to preserve the existence of some submarine-hunting tech
Occam's suggest it has to do most with their government stripping the ASW budget.
>>30207620
>wanting rusty red
Even Nakhimov is being refitted with grey colors.
>>30210097
>>30210118
>lessening need for icebreakers and ice hardended ships.
First off, global warming is a myth, and Arctic icemelt is a natural cycle, mmmkay? Now that we've got this one out of the way, no, the rising temperature in the Arctic doesn't mean that the ice just magically disappears everywhere and vessels can freely go through. In the Arctic, you have more thinning and decrease in the ice pack rather than outright meltdown, which just makes it easier to pierce through at certain points, ice-free in the others, and freeze unpredictably somewhere else due to shifting climate conditions. You NEED icebraekers and ice-capable vessels for secure access to all of these locations. You LOSE a superpower status if you don't control new major shipping lanes, 30% of world's remaining oil and 80% of Earth's fresh water in coming decades.
>>30210118
>The primary method of power projection in the arctic is submarines
The US never had any underwater power projection in the Arctic beyond limited submarine patrols. And when the enemy has bases, airfields and deepwater ports all over the region any submarine is reduced to a food for Tu-142 or Ka-27.
>>30211414
>But no, using a highly experimental weapon like that could cause an international incident.
Wut. Its a gun. A damn good gun, but still a gun.
>>30217816
>The US never had any underwater power projection in the Arctic beyond limited submarine patrols.
Same with the russians.
>And when the enemy has bases, airfields and deepwater ports all over the region any submarine is reduced to a food for Tu-142 or Ka-27.
Kind of hard to dip a sonar into ice. Furthermore, the russians dont have what you claim in relevent boomer ranges.
>>30210492
>>30217816
>literally zero mention of muh global warming in the post you're replying to
>bring it up anyway
cool misdirection, at least you tried i guess. keep thinking that surface fleets matter to the arctic though
>>30210476
spotted the vatnik
>>30215645
>tfw no german CVs to serve aboard
>tfw have to share DDH with the fucking Netherlands
>tfw no cool as fuck BBs anymore
These feels, Kamerad. Halte mich ;__;
>>30217816
Now who's religious.
>>30217862
The Russians were actually pioneers in getting their subs to the arctic. The US had to run a crash course to get submarines operating up there anywhere near the Soviets once they realized that sort of thing would be important in a war scenario.
>>30216138
Oh my god.
In the 1800's, Britain had the largest fleet in the world and was sailing about willy fucking nilly with the most advanced steam engines ever constructed to date. They were sailing to Japan, Hong Kong, India, fucking everywhere.
Now they can't build a ship that can sail out of its berth.
Reminder that Russian shipebuilders were unable to make a modern LHD so they had to buy French Mistrals to compensate.
However after Putin invaded Crimea the French cancelled the order and sold the ships to fucking EGYPT.
Now Russia has no Mistrals
>>30221320
Could've used those delivering cargo to Syria right now.
>>30216138
How is something like this even possible? How do you make an engine that only works in one specific place in the world? It's not like it's even some kind of prototype green fuel engine that works off some vague theory, it's a gas engine! how in the fuck
>>30208897
>Real ships have curves
I know what you mean though anon, Battleships are the shit
>>30221289
>>30221386
That article exaggerates. Read the none-meme tier Jane's report.
http://www.janes.com/article/61089/inquiry-reveals-uk-s-type-45-destroyers-are-even-less-reliable-in-warm-water
>BAE Sysyems Maritime Managing Director John Hudson said. "It was not designed explicitly or uniquely for operations in the Gulf."
The Type 45s have deployed to the Gulf several times.
