Dragon Skin
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What does /k/ think about the dragon skin vest/carrier?
It seems to be more effective than regular plate carriers, but failed tests for some reason. It's also twice the weight of a normal plate carrier(about 45lbs/20kg ish).
it' said that Chris Kyle got one from his family, that he used. But he was a sniper.
Thoughts? do you think the concept will be the new norm in the future?
I think the adhesive failed in hot conditions which is why the US military didn't use it. Idk google it.
>>30201433
>It's also twice the weight of a normal plate carrier(about 45lbs/20kg
>>30201458
This, fine for fair weather but rain, heat and the cold soon made it collapse.
>>30201458
I don't have info to back it up but an army buddy of mine told me it had serious issues when going from hot to cold then back again where it would become brittle.
>>30201486
I see
But do you think the concept is something that can be adapted? The way it works, how it reduces the impact shock from bullets and to a certain extent grenades, with the way the scales are built.
>>30201505
Regular plate carriers seem to be doing their job just fine, the future will be providing more/the same protection while reducing weight.
>>30201433
The disks are stupid and you gain so much weight simply by overlapping, especially since each individual disk has to be able to stand up to failure by itself. Proponents will claim that the disk support each other, but guess what supports an impacted area even more effectively? Yeah, that's right, one solid mass.
>>30201505
>reducing shock from grenades
I hate to break it to you, but if you're relying on a vest to protect you from a grenade, you fucked up big time somewhere along the line.
>>30201433
>Twice the weight
Gee, I wonder if plate would offer more protection than Dragon Skin if thickness was doubled?
Literally just a brigandine vest made with ceramics.
Too heavy for what it is. No way to easily swap out individually damaged plates.
pap nurg here.
My last computer died with the info-thread that had a Dragon Skin worker in the thread. Which ironically, deleted my tripcode I had stored. No matter, I don't play 40gay anymore.
Long thread post thingy short, the creator kept pushing for more money and got shut out and all the parties interested went their separate ways.
Sure dragonskin was great. Especially the titanium one that was the lightest variant. However, there are better designs for titanium say, a full plate of it without glue and other additives. Spalling protection being reliable on a plate and much lighter on a flat surface. Overlapping plate design is best if the plates support each other and a glue design was fail from the get go.
It survived water and heat tests btw, early versions had failures when they were trying to cut costs but decided the expensive stuff was the only way. It didn't fail with disks doing any sliding around until hit with a high caliber and detached from the glue. Where the spot was already compromised anyway so it wasn't considered a failure.
My personal armor project turned out to estimate over 20k so I didn't start. Fucking shit is expensive.
>>30201433
>failed for no real reason
I mean, your mum squeezed you out for no real reason as well, but at least you can read the reason for dragon skin failure from 1 minute googling.
>>30201556
yeah but the way the scales absorbs the hit compared to plates is some of the selling point here.
>>30201556
I guess people like to be walking cover rather than double timing it behind cover. Why even run? That's way too much work and effort.
>>30201433
>>30201577
>>30201585
>reading comprehension
failed for some reason =/= failed for no reason
>>30201604
>thinks that exonerates his stupidity and 1 minute googling somehow doesn't solve that problem.
>>30201603
thanks, re-saved
>lost all muh informative/fixed /k/ imgs too
>we don't really do those threads anymore
Have one in return. Only one I slapped together that I found.
>>30201622
idiot, it's not even important for the thread and you blow it up damaging controlling because you were wrong. Just leave the thread.
>>30201643
Aaaand this one. recently in /b/ a fellow posted these.
>>30201592
That's some nice irrelevant marketing garbage. Answer this: Can you honestly say that you believe plate of the same weight would offer less protection?
>>30201669
probably not.
>>30201644
Pretty sure it's you who got triggered and went into full damage control mode over meaning of words.
You'd think for someone so into detail and meaning, that they would spend the little amount of time looking up why a well known armor failed and was rejected.
This old thing that doesn't actually work as intended. Posting it here to tell you to avoid this.
>>30201433
My system couldnt take the ounces
>>30201708
I didn't look it up because it's not important for the thread, the whole thread is based on, is this a concept, like the scale design, to be used in the future.
It's not my fault you can't read and change the meaning of a whole sentence, because your smartass attempt on a comment failed.
>>30201760
>not important
>the reason it didn't work
Ok.
Robots don't ask questions when given orders and if Trump loses, Nations will just start domesticating and enslaving their people.
There is so little need for a new body armor because in a decade or two it likely won't matter.
Why doesn't /k/ shill for Trump more? Won't this board shut down if he loses?
>>30201714
I've read this image hundreds of times and I still don't understand what the fuck he was trying to say.
>>30201793
We're not /pol/. We go to /pol/ for that.
>>30201771
>Not important for the thread
again with the reading comprehension, you are aware that you need to be 18 or over to post here?
I did look it up, and the thing that mainly came up was the temperature problem, but so many people have claimed that's false, even people in this thread.
This thread isn't to discuss what went wrong. It's to discuss if this can be a design for future vests.
>>30201800
It is getting so bad behind the scenes I feel like we should make every board a Trump board before it is too late.
I never thought I would say this, but there is a legitimate 50-50 chance of like a civil war or mass crisis in America this year.
It was a great step forward, but its weight, low quality adhesive and inadequate coverage made it obsolete.
>>30201850
>hey guys lets all do what "I" wanna do
No.
>>30201722
Haha dude nice meme xD
>>30201850
vox and huffpo just published calls for violence against conservatives.
It's going to be glorious, load those MAGAzines
>>30201822
not the other guy, but kindly go shove a dragon dildo up your ass and exit the thread
>>30201898
source?
>>30201898
Obama will next week
This is the end of America
At least we won't be shooting nazis
>>30201923
>>30201765
>>30201661
>that propaganda tier transcript
Is that for real? Seriously when US guys did the exact same shit in Nam they didn't need to give a literal monologue about dignity, family values, and the honor of the uniform or whatever. They said shit like "We're overrun, they're right in among us. I need an air strike on my position."
>>30201909
sure thing samefag
>>30201850
You know you're not doing any favors to Trump's campaign when you go around acting like a schizo right?
>>30201433
From what I heard the two biggest issues with it where the extreme temperature tests and the one where they dunked it in a barrel of diesel / kerosene and let it there for a full week.
On both tests the adhesive failed and the disks moved from their original position thus removing most of the protection from the vest.
The idea itself is great though, it's basically modern scale armor and I love it but they need a better way to stick the disks in place or some new kind of adhesive for the current iteration.
>>30201793
Because we discuss firearms on /k/, if we want to discuss politics we go over to /pol/ and discuss them.
>>30201714
by the time you buy all those materials, and took the time to make it you could have just bought some ESAPIs and a plate carrier
>>30201433
>What does /k/ think about the dragon skin vest/carrier?
It's shit
>It seems to be more effective than regular plate carriers, but failed tests for some reason. It's also twice the weight of a normal plate carrier(about 45lbs/20kg ish).
pic related, anything outside of the company's special snowflake testing conditions made it actually useless. look at the 1st hit pens.
The more you look at it and realize that this company tried to simultaneously make money while getting American soldiers killed the more angry you will get.
>it's said that Chris Kyle got one from his family, that he used. But he was a sniper.
It's also said that Chris Kyle punched out Jesse Ventura and assassinated American citizens.
>Thoughts? do you think the concept will be the new norm in the future?
It's shit, No.
>>30203077
That's not what I asked.
I was asking if there are any possible future design concepts on this. Why are all of you so fucking stupid? Learn to read next time.
>>30201603
>they did test in hot conditions, and it passed, always
see >>30203077
>4 one shot pens
yeah, it's dogshit.
>>30203104
>>30201909
>>30201771
>>30201708
>>30201622
>>30201585
samefagging this hard because he got called out
>>30201433
The military officer who ran the board of testing for it owns part of the company that makes interceptor body armor. He had since retired from the military and has fat stacks. I am 100% sure he torpedoed it so he could get rich
There is still a company that makes dragon skin. They seem to the civilian market and you can buy one but they are expensive.
>>30203156
sure thing bud.
>>30203157
yeah, heard the price is absurd. Can be interesting to see if they'll build more upon it with the civilian market, seeing that you can actually afford putting some money into it, unlike the military.
>>30201481
But it was also flexible
>>30203187
You know what else is flexible? Armor that weighs about 1/4 of what dragon skin does and still provides about the same level of ballistic protection at the cost of shrapnel protection.
>>30203178
There is a YouTube review some guy did of a vest he has from the new company. I think he payed like 3k. Apparently it's really comfortable.
We know even after the military was banned from using it that some operators and protection details still used it in Iraq.
>>30203178
I don't think there's much of a civilian market for 50 pound vests. The military may decide they want to revisit the idea if exoskeletons ever become a thing, but until then it'll just be a failed evolution or personal protection.
>>30203176
I forgot, it was me, sorry
>>30203233
Yes
>>30203220
>I think he payed like 3k
With 3K, you can buy top shelf carrier and multiple spare plates. But I guess when you use Dragonskin, you can walk through a magdump and still be able to take more, right?
>>30203234
maybe, a lot of high end private contractors tend to take in gear like this.
>>30203104
>it's not what I asked
no, it IS what you asked, but you asked the wrong question to get the answer you wanted. Don't put your rudimentary understanding of the English language off on me. Just because you have such a limited vocabulary and understanding of syntax that you managed to get multiple responses from multiple people who magically managed to miss the point of your question points more to you being a brain-dead mongoloid rather than us being illiterate.
That being said, I will now answer the question you fucked up asking.
>I was asking if there are any possible future design concepts on this.
No, because of the unofficial Army motto, "Keep it Simple, Stupid."
More parts means more possibility something will go wrong. This is exemplified in the testing that was done, in the 160 F test the vest was unable to stop a single round, not one. Not to mention that our soldiers don't need plate carriers, they need Interceptor-style vests, because while ceramic plates are exceptional at stopping rifle rounds, rifle rounds are far from the only threat on the modern battlefield. It is the immense amount of soft armor that defends against shrapnel from mortars, grenades, IEDs, and VBIEDs. Simply making something really good at doing half the job, surprisingly, only does half the job. Even if Dragon Skin did take 3-4 rounds per plate, meaning the vest could take 200 rounds before being completely useless, it doesn't matter if Jihadi John with a cell phone and Soviet mortar wired to a 9V battery can kill your dude without even seeing him.
XSAPI is simply going to make better ESAPI plates, just like ESAPI made better SAPI plates.
>>30203157
>expensive
especially considering Dragon Skin's final rating was lvl. II
>>30203269
The one that the swat team independently tested took several hundred rounds from different calibers from 9 to 308
>>30203290
Except that's fucking wrong because I've seen it stop 308 rounds with my own eyes
>>30203290
that's not OP...
>>30203290
>final rating was lvl. II
>rated the same as the ballistic inserts in an IBA
How the fuck did that happen?
>>30203290
That's not me, just some butthurt guy who's angry he got called out on his reading.
>>30203290
>Just because you have such a limited vocabulary and understanding of syntax that you managed to get multiple responses from multiple people who magically managed to miss the point of your question points more to you being a brain-dead mongoloid rather than us being illiterate.
Jesus Christ man, chill out.
>>30203290
the person you're replying to isn't me (the OP). It's a troll that's in damage control trying to be me.
>>30203400
this isn't OP either, but ok, /k/ is now /r9k/ apparently
>>30203325
Well care to explain the XSAPI test results then? >>30203077
>I saw my neighbor eat a dead bird with his asshole, this must mean all neighbors can eat dead animals with their assholes. Why doesn't the Army just issue asshole-compatible dead animals instead of MREs, surely roadkill is cheaper than prepackaged meals?
This is you.
evidence > anecdotes
>>30203335
In that case, good, I really hope my information helped you understand the subject matter better, OP.
>>30203342
It the first rounds of XSAPI tests, the Army was looking for more creative ways to stop threats to its soldiers, the Army was looking at anything and everything sent to them, and Dragon Skin promised the moon. The Army, for the first part of the tests basically took Pinnacle's word for how good it was, because nobody would ever lie in order to secure a promise of a multi-billion dollar defense contract, right? Pinnacle, having just emerged onto the scene and having almost 0 certifications or history of doing shit, got a bunch of their stuff railroaded through various alphabet soup agencies to make them able to compete in the XSAPI tests. Once the Army started doing independent testing on sets of armor provided to them, everything fell apart. This is when you started getting the results shown earlier, with multiple 1st hit pens caused by heat, cold, fucking water. This caused a massive clusterfuck in the Army and DOJ, because there were already contractors and SOF guys using this experimental shit in the field, being actually shot at, and it was completely useless. Not to mention the only reason they were even allowed to use it and the only reason it was allowed in the tests was because its lvl. IV status was given to it on what were essentially pinkie promises that it would work as advertised.
DOJ launched an investigation which found the actual level to be a lvl. II.
>>30203575
>>30203342
The Army even shut down XSAPI testing while it held its own internal investigation which had its records sealed as a few people were quietly "retired" and XSAPI was reopened. The only reason it was such a small deal was because, by the grace of God, nobody wearing Dragon Skin was shot in the desert. It's better to appear full of corrupt cronies snuffing out upstarts than intentionally soft on testing, allowing your own soldiers to die to drive down costs.
I don't know if XSAPI has been completed since, I don't know what they decided to use, I've been out for a long time since then and couldn't be fucked to try and keep tabs on a program that frankly, has nothing to do with me, just for shits and giggles, sorry guys.
>>30203575
>>30203631
>>30203342
Oh yeah, I even forgot to mention that there was some bullshit press stating that Pinnacle managed to create the first economical "lvl. V" vest, which is, I though, amusing as all hell.
Too damn heavy and expensive. Great, but not for the army in general. Had issues with uneven protection against bullets at odd angles.
>>30201458
That was fixed.
>>30202126
>The idea itself is great though
No, it is not. Small plates mean heavy back face deformation.
>>30201661
>single manly tear
Dragon skin is passe
AR500 is passe
Kevlar is passe
If you're not using lightweight metal foam that can stop .30-06 black tip AP dead cold, then you're not doing things right.
>>30201515
So much this. Without a weight reduction we would have shit performance from marginal soldiers :women and draftees: that would eliminate any ability for a massive conflict. Tech superiority keeps a lid on our rivals and hopefully will for a while but with current fitness of average Americans and typical soldier fighting loads we are fucked for golobal emergency
>>30205189
Only heard of the preliminary results on this a while ago, what info is out now?
>>30201661
Poor bastard, at least he took the bad dudes with him.
>>30201997
It was translated from Russian so the translator could be adding more than he said (some things are more brief in Russian).
They probably wouldn't add in stuff like "Tell them I was brave" either, sounds a bit wanky - even though what he did was pretty brave.
From what I've seen and read, a lot of people when in combat are confronted with imminent death can just say "fuckit".
It's like guys that make a split second decision to dive on a grenade. They just did it, man.
>>30201433
are we still in the Iraq war era? why are we still talking about this garbage bag full of pogs
>>30205189
wasnt that shit like 4" thick?
>>30201661
I hope this is true, that the commander was human enough to commence an airstrike, in the modern pussy world i could see some people just not doing it because its not 'protocol'
>>30201505
>The way it works, how it reduces the impact shock from bullets
IT doesn't. Any compliant flexible armor will always, ALWAYS transfer more force into the body than a solid inflexible plate.
>and to a certain extent grenades
>I don't know what barotrauma is.
FTFY
>>30201592
>yeah but the way the scales absorbs the hit compared to plates is some of the selling point here.
This meme get's posted over and over again and it's hilarious how you tards don't understand how stupid you are. A compliant flexible armor will always allow for transfer of more blunt force energy than a solid plate. It's like Plate Mail vs chain mail. You can tank a hammer blow to your midsection if you're wearing plate mail but if you take the same blow wearing chain mail you're going to be coughing up blood and chunks of your broken ribs.
>>30201722
I know he's a faggot but making fun of a miscarriage just isn't cool.
inb4 moral fag.
>>30206505
god, if it weren't for her eye, and for some peoploe her scar, she'd be hot as fuck.
>>30206563
Should have just gone with an eyepatch.
>>30203313
Source?
>>30206563
sounds like most of my girls
>>30201433
Scale armor is a concept dating to ancient time. In theory it merges chainmail flexability with plate armor protection, but it;'s neither very flexible nor provides siginfican increase in protection over chainmail plus it too heavy for it's effectivness.
Back then, it had benefit of being cheaper than chainmail.
In modern times concept is pointless. Better application of ancient armor desing would be some sort of polymer/nanomaterial lorica segmentata.
