The hungarians are at it again.
http://www.kaliberinfo.hu/cikkek/pdw-gs1-prototipus-mini-tesztcikk
According to this article, this kit enables the shooter to achieve full-auto firing, with keeping you firearm in semi-automatic firing. The technic they are using is that when pulling the trigger on the kit, it starts an electric engine, which "automates" the firing process. Still lawfully it stays quick series of trigger pulls.
>>30198321
based desu I hope the same eventually happens to us Polac/k/s
>>30198332
It has not happened yet, it's just in prototype stage and hungarian government is still against legal fun acquiration. Totalitarian POS, all of them are, but let's not really sail to /int/ like nonsense bullshitting, which poisons normal non-us /k/ threads.
>>30198321
It's 1 trigger pull = 1 round to be legal
>>30198321
It sad but in Hungary something that's not semi-auto never gonna be legal but hey we can hope right?
>>30198352
But then defining trigger is the place where they could bend the law, because it's not the guns trigger, which is pulled.
>>30198321
So it's only legal in Hungary? Because I'm pretty sure it's not in the US.
>>30198383
Nothing is sure yet, this is why I wrote "possibility" in the title. I'd definitely say a no to Hungary, but I see that it could go well in the US, kinda like bumpfire. (I know, this statement is really backed up by hope)
>>30198401
No. If you can hold down anything that fires continuously without releasing the trigger it's a MG per the ATF. That's why we can't have car starter powered gatling cranks even though each firing requires a cycle of the crank. In bumpfire the recoil resets the trigger so your finger does come off.
We have fire on release triggers now as well which are way more practical.
>>30198401
>Nothing is sure yet, this is why I wrote "possibility" in the title
>I see that it could go well in the US, kinda like bumpfire
lol no
mounting an electric engine to the trigger mechanism of a firearm is illegal, end of discussion
any kind of 'readily convertible' trigger actuator will get you buttfucked by the ATF
>>30198459
>>30198469
thanks for answers anyways, it's been a nice idea though.
>>30198369
No dumbass. Electronic firing mechanisms are already banned in the US. The trigger is whatever causes the weapon to be fired. Read the fucking ATF guidelines. REEEEEEEE
>>30198539
are you "triggered"?
>>30198539
>believing electric triggers are banned meme
>calling other people dumbass
No. They just have to be approved. Even remshit offered electric trigger guns at one point.
>>30198616
>Even remshit offered electric trigger guns at one point.
>electronic triggers on bolt actions are totally the same thing legally as electronic triggers on semi autos
>>30198637
>Approved electric AR-15 triggers don't exist
wew lad
>>30198321
Not legal in usa.
That electric motor is a no go.
>>30198616
They offered an eltronic ignition on an electronic primed bolt action rifle.
>>30198469
Electric motor is a machine gun
>>30198321
Why does it have a P99 in the stock?
>electric engine
There is a commercial 10/22 E-Trigger that is being sold without being classified as a machine gun.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/19/electronic-arms-1022-bullpup-electric-trigger/
As long as it's 1 pull 1 round, I don't think there's anything illegal about e triggers at all. Where is the specific law that would classify it as a machine gun regardless of rounds fired?
The thing in the OP doesn't sound legal though
Its hungayrian so dont expect anything from it
Trianon lol
>>30198321
Seems vaporware as fuck but there's some potential here.
>>30198539
I will buy it but promise to never put the battery in to power it, I swear.
>>30198321
>>30198321
I got a idea for a 'full auto' fake trigger
first the trigger will turn a gear with a ratcheting system in order to turn it into rotational energy then
>>30198321
>>30199230
have the gearing ratio step up so that one turn of the trigger gear is many turns of gear 2,
after stepping up to increase the RPMs gear 2 will convert into linear motion using video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdO9MKx9WQI
>>30198321
>>30199240
using the linear motion to drive a escapement mechanism
>>30198321
>>30199252
and if you thing about it the hammer in a normal trigger is pretty much being held by a escapement
for safety it might be a good idea to add another sear to stop people from dropping the hammer while the cartage is out of battery causing a kaboom
>>30199230
Look up the definition of a machine gun, friend.
>>30199264
this is basically the same as the clamp on cranks that people use to make guns shoot fast
>>30198679
Electronic triggers aren't what is banned. Electronic full-auto triggers are what are banned. Any device that actuates the gun to fire more than once when the physical action of pulling the trigger turns the gun into a machine gun.
>>30199264
if you look closely and use some imagination
this post is basicly a trigger on its own
>>30199252
with the gearing being the clamp on crank
the only difference is that i used a pulling motion to make rotational energy rather than a cranking motion
>>30199264
am i wrong? care to explain where?
if this is illegal then so are the cranks
and I'd like to press the issue to get more people pissed off about the NFA to get it repealed
>>30199278
No shit. That's my point. Learn to read before you make yourself look like even more of a dumbass.
>>30199286
Is shoestring + gattling trigger a machinegun according to atf?
>>30200089
shoestring like pic related is illegal
shoestring warping around the crank of the Gatling trigger i doubt is illegal because its the same sort of mechanism
What about shotguns where you can dump a full tube while holding the trigger and pumping. What does that count as?
(R870 12g)
>>30200089
>>30200345
some one on another form asked about hooking a drill up to the gatling trigger and they said it was illegal
and the gatling trigger required continuious action from the shooter
the mechanism I proposed would also require continuous rearward travel to operate, if you stopped pulling the trigger further back, it would stop firing
>>30200345
The point is that with a relatively extreme gear ratio, say 1:50 or 1:75, you could dump a 30/50/100 mag with a pull of a few cm's.
>>30200363
shotguns like that are legal because 1 trigger pull = 1 shot
if you hooked up a mechanism to pump the shot gun for you very rapidly I'm not sure that would count
>>30200392
you can do the same thing with the gatling trigger and its gear ratio, it is the exact same the only difference is in the way i apply the force to the gears
>>30200392
if i got a gatling trigger i could make a extreme gear ratio and have it so that 1/4 turn dumps 30 rounds
>>30200418
Yes, but atf is atf.
>>30200345
How does your pic work, exactly?
>>30200430
so what my point isn't to make something fun my point is to ruin all the funs so people get pissed off at the ATF and repeal the NFA
>>30200450
op rod moving back gives slack in the string which allows for reset. oprod moving forward returns tension, which causes the trigger to be pulled.
(provided you are continuously pulling on the string)
>>30200450
not my pick but you pull the ring
the gun fires
the op rod comes back letting the trigger go
the op rod comes back forward pulling the trigger
hide your dogs before you try it
>>30200450
>>30200471
and now shoe strings are illegal
>>30200500
Shoestrings used to make machine guns are illegal. There is a difference.
>>30200515
Not according to the ATF.
>>30200515
ya and cops never plant evidence
machine guns shouldn't be illegal in the first place
>>30200345
>>30200515
>>30200523
it's ridiculous the string actually has a piece of metal crimped on so the SOT could register it as a machine gun
>>30200450
When you pull the ring it pulls the trigger, the bolt moves back, slacking the string which releses the trigger, when the bolt closes, it pulls it tight again, firing the gun.
>>30200655
Wonder if this would work on a Browning M1919.
If electronic triggers are illegal then the tracking point system is illegal.
>>30198352
There are ways around the current definition. There's a perfectly legal AR trigger that fires when the trigger is pulled and released
>>30198352
This, there is just no way this is legal.
what do you /k/unts think it would take to make an sks selectable between closed-bolt semi and open-bolt full auto firing modes? I know some kind of BHO needs to be added somewhere besides the magazine, and the safety should play a part in that, but the semi-auto bolt release cant be the trigger for obvious reasons.
I'm thinking there will need to be some kind of toggle added to the bcg to lock the firing pin, but if anyone knows of a rifle bolt/carrier with a firing pin block/safety I need to know
>>30200917
>>30200972
what is your shitty american alphabet soup gonna do overseas? rifle is for places with commie state government that need an inconspicuous weapon on par with mil/le
>>30201070
If your committing felonies anyway why not just buy AKs off the black market? Or if you're a introvert NEET build an M16?
SKSs are trash and were outdated before they were even produced. Even Russia knew this. They exist because conservatives in the Russian mil wanted a fallback option.
Nothing you do will ever make them viable. Get over it.
>>30198539
sometimes i wonder if all the atf fuckery has set back small arms development by a few decades
>>30201070
what you seem to want is a giggle switch,
what you really need in that situation is hi-cap removable magazines
either way by the last part of your statement you seem to want to go head to head with mil/le so use your sks to ambush a group that wanders too far, with too few and take their guns and mags
even if you have full retard you still want to use semi-auto unless your covering your team while they advance
but I don't believe your crap I think your either
alphabet soup agent
or
stupid
if you want a giggle switch you ought to help get other people into shooting guns and point out as often as possible how stupid the NFA is
>>30201299
definitely
>>30201257
not talking specifically about the sks, I'm talking about its action and ability to be converted to an open bolt with minor changes
Additionally how exactly would someone else's government charge me with felonies?
>>30201368
no what i want to do is design a completely new rifle, with fully modular internal function like caliber changes from 6.5grendel to 308win with nothing but a barrel swap and mag follower change based on the sks and fal.
The open bolt "feature" occurred to me a few days ago when I was reading about a slamfire accident with some guy's still-cosmolined sks
FUCK the US alphabet soup, planning a product for sale is completely legal, if I can use my research as a guide on how to hide the open bolt mechanism as something else, or even as a known feature, like the third hole in an AR receiver there can be a way to disable it while complying with import regs
>>30198757
Great story.
>>30200544
machineguns are not illegal, they are restricted. But don't worry about it, none of the other 14 year old anarchists you hang out with will understand the difference either. FUCK THE PI– wait is one around? No? FUCK THE PIGS!
>>30198352
What if there is no trigger? What if it's voice activated?
>>30201642
>>30201614
same difference post may 86 machine guns are effectively because they will not be added to the registry
the exception being manufactures
and they are artificially rare and unobtainable to common citizen
what part of shall not be infringed don't you get
you sound like one of the cucks that want to keep them illegal to justify how much you spent on one.
there is no justification for the Hughes amendment
>pic related
>>30198321
What the hell am I looking at and why do I want it?
>>30198459
But Gatling guns with cranks are not NFA items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ildteJbZ9Jw
At least according to Ian.
>>30198321
>>30198369
Would be illegal in the US. For what is considered full auto in the US put into the simplest terms answer these questions:
>what do you do to fire the gun?
>Are you performing at least one action per round fired?
The ATF has interpreted "trigger" to be whatever you are actuating to fire the gun. For a pump action shotgun being slamfired the pump would be the trigger as that is what is being actuated (legal). For an open bolt submachine gun with no trigger like the Sputter Gun, the action of releasing the bolt is actuating the trigger (illegal). For a gun like in the OP (or at least by the description the OP gave), you pushing the switch to turn on the motor is pulling the trigger as the switch is what the user is actuating (illegal). This is also why the ATF has repeatedly approved triggers that fire on both pulling and releasing since it was first brought up in the 1990s (one action is still being performed per round fired) and guns fired by a crank where the gun continuing to fire is dependent on continuous actuation by the user.
>>30198539
>Electronic firing mechanisms are already banned in the US
No they aren't you fucktard. Quit repeating bullshit that you've never seen evidence of. The ATF has said they are completely legal, see question 21 in pic related. There's also a guy who already sells electronic Ruger 10/22 triggers:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/06/06/etrigger-ruger-1022/
>>30201762
I don't know if you've been outside recently but America isn't Megacity One. But if you want to regress to a hundred years ago when bootleggers could pick up some tommy guns for $10 a pop then I guess our views of reality are too different to find any consensus. So please, keep screaming "cold dead hands" and dragging down every reasonable gun owner with you until the things are banned altogether. Your stubbornness has proved very effective at helping the cause thus far
>>30201472
why use 6.5 Grendel use .260 Remington its just a .308 case necked to 6.5mm
that way you keep your 6.5 B.C. your .308 case capacity, your .308 bolt, magazine, follower, etc.
everything is the same except the chamber of the barrel and the .260 rem has better ballistics anyway
now if you were going to use a 7.62x29 then the 6.5 Grendel would share all the parts once again with the exception of the barrel.
the problem is .308 and .260 fill the same role
and 7.62x39 and 6.5x39 (Grendel) share the same role
why bother having a quick swap when the cartage your swamping to does the same role
at least 5.56 to .300 black out fills a niche of maintaining a decent energy while going sub sonic
another problem going between .308 to 6.5 Grendel is that the OAL is fairly great so you will have feeding issues using the relatively short 6.5 Grendel
>>30202037
what part is unreasonable about getting rid of the Hughes amendment? what horrible thing will happen if we allow more machine guns on the registry
>common sense
>for the children
we have the same issues now with the gangs today they just use semi-auto weapons
and bootleggers and more importantly the gangs were only given a foot hold because of prohibition, when they got rid of it they lost a lot of their funding and power with out prohibition its possible they would never have gotten their foot in the door.
you are so used to getting fucked in the ass that you are numb to it.
>>30202055
the grendel was just an example. Im working on the tilting bolt design than can accommodate anything from 40mm-75mm oal, including rimmed cartridges like .500SW. unfortunately this doesnt include 30-06, 7.62x54R or 7.92x57. Yet. right now, they are too long for my current design to extract reliably
>why bother having a quick swap when the cartage your swamping to does the same role
>why bother quick swapping when you can quick swap?
what? I'm talking about being able to shoot intermediate and full size cartridges out of the same gun with literally nothing but a barrel change,
>>30201782
>I can't read
Yep, that sums up Ian's audience base.
>>30202037
you can do better than that, anon.
So, why don't they just make it an electric trigger that "banks" trigger pulls?
Pull trigger 30 times in charge mode, release all 30 in fire mode. That way it's still one pull one shot.
>>30202542
ATF has ruled that it's illegal, see Q22 in the picture here: >>30202022
>>30201299
Try centuries.
We could all have 800mm fully auto gatling antimatter gyrojet surplus cannons on ex military hover supertanks for sale at pawn shops and gun stores on every street corner in America.
Or at least in my dreams.....
>>30202505
It's missing the "privately owning nukes" square.
>>30201299
Of course.
All American small arms service weapons have been designed and built by the private sector for the past 100 years. The military is getting fucked by it too.
The only future we have is unregulated energy weapons which I hope to get into.
