Thoughts?
>inb4 useless without a cuck stamp
>not knowing that there's a collapsible MPX Brace coming out
>>30192230
The CZ scorpion is just as good and much cheaper.
>>30192360
Except for the mags
>>30192364
You can buy an evo and 20+ magazines for less than the price of the mpx.
Sit shit is pricey
>>30192230
It's the same size and weight as a short 5.56 gun but practically useless past 50m or against dudes in soft armor, and even inside that envelope it's simply not as good at making bad people stop what they're doing as something firing a rifle cartridge would be.
>>30192591
Truth
>>30192591
True, but they still have their uses.
For example, truck gun. You can fire one of these out of your vehicle without completely blowing out your ears like a short 556 would
>>30192624
You know how to keep from doing that with a 5.56? Open your damn window and stick the muzzle out.
>>30192591
>It's the same size and weight as a short 5.56 gun
An M4 would need like a 4 inch barrel to be as short as an MPX
>but practically useless past 50m
I forgot that 9mm turns to cotton candy upon traveling 164 feet
>even inside that envelope it's simply not as good at making bad people stop what they're doing as something firing a rifle cartridge would be.
Ah yes, the "pistol calibers suck, rifle calibers are great" meme
>>30192653
>pistol calibers suck rifle calibers are great meme.
Yeah.. it's not a meme. Rifle calibers fragment like fucking crazy.
>>30192663
>Rifle calibers fragment like fucking crazy.
wow
>>30192663
literally wat
summerfags pls go
>>30192663
>>30192663
I used to believe the whole "summerfags" thing was just a meme.
But whenever I see a post like this, it really makes that a hard position to defend.
>>30192673
>>30192691
>>30192699
http://www.gunthorp.com/wounding_factors.htm
>>30192759
>get called out as retarded
>quickly google some words
>post the first thing that looks like it supports you
>are now still retarded, and don't understand why 4 separate people called you on being a dumbass
>>30192663
>>30192781
>Army Physician
>literally study wounding factors all day
>Rifle rounds are devastating.
>>30192798
>still literally has no understanding of why he's retarded
>>30192591
>Implying you would use a dedicated CQB weapon such as HD gun or SWAT gun at over 50m.
>Both the MPX and CZ EVO are significantly lighter and shorter than an M4, and any shorter than that and you lose performance out of the 5.56.
>implying that pistol rounds aren't lethal at short range
>implying that rifle rounds are magically lethal even at long range
>>30192739
how long have you been here m8? its like this every year. So far it hasnt been too bad, just wait until they start making new threads about the ak vs ar like every fucking day.
>>30192663
Posts like this are an even more sure indicator of summer than the june bugs
>>30192230
> "cuck" in first post
> into le trash it goes
the mpx is neat if you really have to have an AR style pcc. for me, its a bit bulky and i would prefer the scorpion
>>30192653
>An M4 would need like a 4 inch barrel to be as short as an MPX
It still weighs as much as a Mk18 despite being a pistol with a stock (or "arm brace") on it. At least with 8-9" SMGs like the MP5 you get a little extra velocity to work with, but the MPX brings nothing to the table except being slightly easier to aim for when you need to shoot from one end of a large room to the other. Sad!
>I forgot that 9mm turns to cotton candy upon traveling 164 feet
strawman
>Ah yes, the "pistol calibers suck, rifle calibers are great" meme
Ah, yes, the "I don't know what a meme is" meme. Rifle calibers are objectively better at putting people down than any common service pistol caliber. Deal with it.
>>30192632
Hardly better than a HEARING PROTECIN'S FER PUSSIES LOL post.
Go away, adults are talking.
>>30192843
>Both the MPX and CZ EVO are significantly lighter and shorter than an M4
The MPX, EVO, and a Mk18 all weigh about 6 lbs. That's the relevant comparison here.
>>30192230
Owned mine for a year and now and this thing sees constant range use, so im down to answer anything.
>feeds fucking anything and doesnt need cleaning...over 2000 rounds without a cleaning. I use Slip2000 EWL
>Stock sights are just fine
>accurate, I shoot steel plate competition, regularly clear 6 8" plates at 18 yards in 2.75 - 3.25 seconds...maybe im just used to this since I shoot it more than any gun I own.
>a little on the heavy side but that's okay
>If you're spending the money on the gun, then mag prices should be a non-issue.
>Can swap calibers with ease with the Gen 2.
>Gen 1 owners luck out since Sig sends a fully assembled upper in place of the barrel for the same price f you provide your Gen 1 serial number
>Grip is pretty tits
>That AR feel = no need to learn a new platform
>trigger slap is sometimes a pain in the ass if you have a non stock trigger group.
>The rods on the stock may look uncomfortable to put your cheek against but its just fine other than in the winter, pad that shit or wear a ski mask if you are doing prolonged shooting.
>>30192230
Can't perform HK slap effectively.
Its a good gun in Rainbow Six Siege
>>30192906
>strawman
It's hyperbole for your statement
>>practically useless past 50m
You autistic misanthrope.
>>30192971
5.56x45 probably weighs more than 9mm
>>30193255
You can close the bolt with the button above the right side mag release or do the AR paddle slap on the bolt catch on the left. Also no last round lock back on the MP5. Not to knock the MP5, but the MPX has a bit more going on for it.
>>30192632
What about as a home defense gun? The muzzle blast from a 5.56 out of a 7.5" barrel (or any barrel length) would be devastating. not to mention the muzzle flash.
>>30192230
What is your purpose for it?
>inb4 bill of needs
Are you trying to get a sub gun to do a rifle's job or do you need a sub gun? Or is this just some range toy?
>>30193279
The short answer is no.
The long answer is that they're so close that it depends on which two specific 9mm and 5.56 loads you're comparing.
>>30193282
Everything you've said is accurate and the manual of arms is superior especially if you already shoot ARs.
But still. MP5.
> MPX is cool and I do like them.
>>30192230
>as useless as anything else in 9mm
>doesnt have history of a MP5
>billion dollar mags
>sig
>>30193303
be a cool guy and stick a silencer on that bitch
>>30193369
hush up nogunz.
>>30193282
>Also no last round lock back on the MP5
>>30193352
I love my MPX and do find it superior to the MP5, but I still need some MP5 in my life. Since the MPX is similarly sized, I will eventually go for an MP5K...shits just so iconic.
>>30193374
Im not sure of any companies that will warranty a can used on a 5.56 barrel that short. Even then the blast would be shit.
>>30193401
Thats new to me. Aftermarket or standard?
>>30193399
Actually I just own an MP5 and pity MPX owners since they will never know the slap
>>30193435
>Thats new to me. Aftermarket or standard?
Comes on the 40 and 10 variants . Sort of works but its a little small.
>>30193435
>Thats new to me. Aftermarket or standard?
Developed by HK at the FBI's behest.
>>30193440
Ive shot MP5s before...I will admit, the slap is just fun.
>>30193440
Why did it never make it over to the 9s?
>>30193467
Im surprised they didnt adopt an SMG with one already equip.
>>30193435
>Im not sure of any companies that will warranty a can used on a 5.56 barrel that short.
The Surefire SOCOM556SB is specifically designed for <10" barrels. I'm sure there are others.
>>30193487
>Im surprised they didnt adopt an SMG with one already equip.
I don't know if there was such a thing back in the early 90s, besides Colt's 9mm CAR-15.
Besides, the FBI is big enough that if they want, say, a 10mm Auto MP5 with a LRBHO feature, they can ask for it and it shall be done.
I'm buying one with that new tele brace things and I don't give a fuck.
>but my rifle ballistics
Implying this is anything other than a vanity purchase.
>but my CZ Penis gun
>but my combat effectiveness
>but my poverty
Having grown up on 70s and 80s action movies I have harbored a lifelong smg boner. I would love an mp5 pattern gun but they are just full potato expensive and I'm not paying a grand for a shoddy Paki clone.
So I'm going to get the mpx and a new supressor and fucking party
>>30193435
>Im not sure of any companies that will warranty a can used on a 5.56 barrel that short. Even then the blast would be shit.
Omega is rated down to 10". As someone who shot it off a 10.5" SBR like 2 weeks ago the blast is minimal. Its not earsafe with supersonic rounds but it basically turns short 5.56 into 0 flash with minimal muzzle rise
>>30193590
Paki clones arent bad, the paint is pretty shit but its a minor detail.
Check out the omega MP5 uppers off atlantic if you want something US produced.
>>30193623
I went with talking about a 7.5" barrel to keep things on par with the size of the MPX. With a 10.5" barrel and a can, youre at about 16" of total extension.
>>30192230
An awesome little gun, but not worth $1600. If it were priced $600-$700 cheaper I'd buy one on the spot.
>>30192759
>cant figure out that that only applies to rifle calibers out of long barrels
>>30193660
If you want something in that price range, you might as well get a CZ Scorpion Evo III, but then you just have a blow back 9mm and might as well stick with a 9mm AR. I wouldnt trust a scorpion when it comes to serious use and abuse.
Also you're paying too much if you find an MPX for 1600 (unless its the carbine version)
>>30192364
>CZ scorpion mag, $20
>Sig mpx mag, $60
>>30193764
>MP5 mag, $8
>>30193695
I'd be getting a 'pistol' MPX with whatever brace fits my shoulder the most comfortably, not that I'd ever dare to shoulder it. I've been thinking about building a 9mm AR, but I'm not familliar enough yet with manufacturers and parts and whatnot. I'm really not a fan of the EVO though.
>>30193777
Your gonna need cheap mags after the dough you drop to get one
>>30192230
I'd seriously consider one in conjunction with a "shoulder brace", light and a red dot for home defense if money was not an issue. It would be perfect.
>>30193764
If you can afford an MPX, you can afford the mags. Hell, you can buy a 3pack with a pouch from Sig for ~$45 a mag. Plus the MP5 is more expensive than the MPX and has less features to begin with.
>>30193781
9mm ARs can be finicky if doing a build and to be honest just arent as fun as a sub gun built from the ground up as one. Want the AR feel with none of the bullshit? Go with the MPX.
You arent missing out on much with the EVO. The trigger is shit, the stock or brace kits are hard to get a hold of without paying double the price. worst of all, it over all feels like a toy and feels like it will break if dropped. The polymer just over all feels brittle. Not to kncok poly guns, but something about the scorpion just feels off. I do admire how light the SBR version feels and the carbine version feels well balanced and has a neat brake, but thats about it. Its still just a blow back 9mm.
>>30193801
I bought mine with the intent of using it as a HD gun. Its tits. All I need to do now is get a can and chop the barrel to run it under the hand guard.
>>30193590
all guns are vanity purchases until you need one, there is already civil unrest all around us, don't think America is too special to have it's troubles
>>30193801
arm brace*
fixed that for you anon.
>>30193662
Mk262
>>30193864
>9mm ARs can be finicky if doing a build and to be honest just arent as fun as a sub gun built from the ground up as one.
Wat?
A 9mm subgun is going to feel like a 9mm subgun. Literally the only issues I've ever seen come out of 9mm ARs is people improperly building them. Its either been shitty mags with the Colt 9mm mags which reigned supreme for so long up until glock mag lowers started entering the market, improper buffer weights which is a big issue is idiots not weighing their buffers properly, but only comes second to idiots choosing shitty fucking wire stocks that use far too short buffer tubes which is a massive issue considering it's a fucking blowback rifle.
Build properly, broken in and using decent ammo, it should be functioning perfectly because there is no gassing to fuck everything up.
And seriously? How is it not built up from the ground up to be a sub gun if work is put into place to make it a sub gun?
The MPX isn't a AR18 short stroke rifle in 9mm now?
The MP5 isn't literally a 9mm G3?
The CZ Scorpion doesn't hold striking similarities to the VZ58?
>>30192673
>>30192691
>>30192699
>>30192739
>>30192781
>>30192794
>>30192812
>>30192870
I don't know why I even bothered going on /k/ today, or any day. No, not all rifle ammunition will fragment, but rifle rounds have enough energy for fragmentation to be viable while still penetrating deep enough to be effective.
>b-but barrel length
Mk262 Mod 1 will fragment out to a bit over 25 yards from a 10.3" barrel (pic related shows effective distance that various ammunition will fragment at from 20", 16", and 14.5" barrels, look up the velocity from a 10.3" barrel yourself and compare you faggots). Newer rounds like the M855A1 will fragment and even longer distances due to not being dependent on yaw (though it only gets 2 large fragments that penetrate deeply enough vs all the smaller fragments of the Mk262 Mod 1).
>>30195504
Wound cavity left by Mk262 Mod 1.
>>30195516
Wound cavity from the newer M855A1 for comparison, see how it just branches off into 2 wound channels instead of having fragments of the bullet all over.
>>30193279
>>30193348
This desu senpai.
124gr and 55gr basically weigh the same.
>>30192360
>blowback
>>30192798
thank for ur cervix
>>30192230
You need a brace to use it without breaking laws? And how much does it cost?
Seems to be too much money and hoops for too little to me.
>set out to make god-tier SMG
>use AR as basis
>make it gas-operated for some reason
>keep worst part of AR, the retarded charging handle everyone hates and nobody else wants to emulate
-0/10 SIG a shit
>>30195638
>keep worst part of AR, the retarded charging handle everyone hates and nobody else wants to emulate
Nah, that would be the buffer tube. Oh and the TMP/MP9 has the same charging handle
>>30195680
As does the MP7. Doesn't make it any less terrible.
>>30195638
>>keep worst part of AR, the retarded charging handle everyone hates and nobody else wants to emulate
You mean the charging handle that is never used other than when you first load the gun or when you clear malfunctions, which therefore makes sense to keep out of the way? Not to mention how the AR-15 charging handle design gives less space for shit to get into the action when compared to more common designs.
>>30195638
>>30195680
>>30195701
>>30195757
Not OP. Apologies though, I keep forgetting you fags just want to revel in anger and fight every second of every day.
By the way you're noguns and your accuracy sucks ass.
Martian niggers will nuke soon
>>30195638
I'm too poor to own nice things: The post.
>>30193239
Would you recommend it as your only carbine type rifle for plinking and possible SHTF? This would replace my AR
>>30195757
Don't forget that the AR charging handle is also designed to be lighter.
>>30192360
>except for the frame cacking, not being able to replace the grip, cheap plastic rails, and not being able to swap calibers
How much do the shorter barrels cost? I can't find prices online.
I'm getting the same thing OP
>>30192591
I thought all these recent 9mm carbines are meant 100% for range play and not tactical engagements?
>>30193623
>Check out the omega MP5 uppers off atlantic if you want something US produced
>OMEGA
WADE BAILEY, BROTHER OF TODD BAILEY
SPECIAL WEAPONS, COHARIE ARMS, ETC...
ABORT ABORT ABORT ABORT
>>30192591
Let's just be honest for a minute. It's highly unlikely any of us will be using any of our guns for combat. All of our guns (except for conceal carry weapons and home defense) are range toys. Let this tactical meme die.
>>30196397
Call Sig. They're supposed to be available this summer.
>>30194578
I've seen a good number of builds using Glock mags and even factory 9s act up.
>break in period
Just no. No decent gun needs a break in period.
As for giving it the right ammo, the MPX has a self regulating gas valve and eats anything.
>>30195909
It's a great plinking gun since it will feed and cycle anything you can buy off the shelf. Throw some Slip2000 EWL in it and you'll never need to clean.
As for a SHTF gun, I'm not sure. Sub guns were never meant to replace rifles. The MPX is better suited for close range encounters and using a pistol cartridge is not a good match against level 3 soft body armor and does jack shit against plate carriers. Of course it all depends on how you most expect your areas SHTF scenario to be. Personally I just use mine for home defense and range use. If SHTF, I'd likely grab my AK or AR.
>>30196512
Fucking this.
>>30192873
>Le
>>30195638
>yes, more features and less finicky than the MP5 and uses a number of non-proprietary parts and accessories.
>The AR is easy to operate and there's no need to learn a new weapon when using the MPX. Again, interchangeable parts. You don't see the AK design being mimicked by sub guns that aren't a direct AK platform. Even then there are better options than the 9mm AK.
>use once to load the firearm and clear malfunctions (not that you'd get any with it to begin with. After a fresh mag is loaded in after the bolt locks back, just hit either of the ambi bolt releases. The right side release has great leverage so no need for slappig the left side like on an AR. I can reload my MPX faster than my AR or AK with minimal effor and have both hands on it in a ready position while the bolt is being released.
Sounds like you're just too poor to afford something nice.
>>30193764
CZ mags are fully polymer, the MPX mags have steel reinforced feed lips.
>>30195757
>Space for shit to get into the action
Did you forget that it uses Direct Impingement, anon?
Cute as fuck but I imagine the ballistics and blast make it basically useless with a 4" barrel
kawaii folding stock
Ak-fag stock
There's probably a reason why hk was chosen instead of SIG's mcr-762 for CSASS
Just sayin t.b.h fampai
>>30197634
Although it's probably not the godforsaken charging handle
>>30197618
>blast
>9mm out of a 4" barrel
Are you mental?
>>30192609
No backup sights? wouldnotoperatewith/10
>>30197618
Defensive 9mm cartridges were designed with 4.5" barrels in mind. The exception is a few short barrel loads meant for compacts, but even then most 9s perform well out of them.
I will likely be chopping my barrel down to 4.5" and adding on a suppressor to run under the hand guard. I'm going to test a few defensive loads via chronograph out of my MPX with its 8" barrel and my M&P with its 4.5" barrel to see the changes in velocity. Most range ammo I tried just had a 10-15fps increase with the extra 4". If that's the case with the defensive ammunition, whats the point of the extra length?
>>30197618
Staring at that pic...I think im just going to order the 4.5" upper from Sig once available. My MPX cant fit in a backpack in its current configuration, but I still want the full size upper for home defense before I get my can for it and for general range use...fak.
>>30193401
literally only on the mp5 10 made for fbi.
there's ar15s with folding stocks, but we dont act like its a standard feature>>30193435
>>30197833
>there's ar15s with folding stocks, but we dont act like its a standard feature
Your point it? No one is saying its a standard feature.
The brace
>>30197618
Bring the gun to your face. Not your face to the gun
>>30199143
Are you talking about stance, or recommending suicide?
>>30192230
Wow, I just realized this shit
>Custom built magwell specifically for this with mounted collapsing stock and everything
>This will always be a smaller SBR lower
>Ejection port even the size of pistol rounds
>The magwell still isn't fucking right and has blank space
>Will never fit a STANAG anyways
kek
>>30198337
I will always appreciate, yet wonder how Sig can just keep telling the ATF to go fuck itself like this
>>30199174
It's flared.
>>30199174
Friendships, money, or leverage over certain people.
It's too bad they don't make more drastic changes.
>>30192230
mp-5 and ar-15 love child
>>30195701
I used to hate it two because I was accustomed to right hand charging. Don't really care anymore because of how the gun works. Keeps things ambi and closed up. You could bitch about cheek rests but they have AR specific models so who gives a shit
The charging handle is a not pick of personal preference
>>30196453
This the internet anon. Every gun is for "social" use. Fuckers can't appreciate a river mkII without questioning how it would work if a pack of Harvard bound negros came to borrow a cup of sugar
>>30196512
Fuck you we're playing pretend operator
>>30200748
The best kind of operator.
>9mm SMGs
>5.56 subcarbines
You're all thinking much too small. You'll never get anything done with that attitude.
>Suppressed MPX > Suppressed AR for SHTF and plinking
>>30205692
Are you saying an MPX would be better suited for SHTF than an AR?
>>30192591
Thinking you point out the indoor sunglasses meme
>>30197634
They where just amazed by the backwards keymod rail.
>>30192591
You talk like bad guys are every where
>>30208560
are you suggesting that they aren't
>>30192663
>Rifle calibers fragment like fucking crazy.
>>30209499
A tiny 4.5 barrel suppressed 9mm PCC is better to keep on you vs a 10.5 flash and bang AR pistol. If we're talking about bad guys being everywhere.
>>30210048
>worried about the noise of an unsuppressed subcarbine
http://sportear.com/shop/construction/custom-30-pair/
Just get some electronic earpro that's disguised as a hearing aid so you can wear it all the time without anybody being the wiser.
>>30210274
How about other people hearing it? How about size and muzzle flare?
>>30210399
>How about other people hearing it?
fuck 'em
