Swedish Mauser M96
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I don't see it discussed often and this is an attempt to change that. I'm a recent newcomer to the world of amazing Swedish Mausers, and I'm positively blown away by the workmanship.
Question for those in the know: I have an opportunity to acquire a mint arsenal rebuild from 1967 with an immaculate bore and a GF diopter sight. All matching, perfect stock. Price doesn't concern me but I'm worried about the receiver, it's from 1901. I know it's perfectly normal for swedes to make a new rifle using an old receiver, but could there be any issues with shooting a 100 year old receiver?
>>30178584
I'm buying it to use it for shooting not a safe queen, I shoot all my guns even rare ones.
>>30178584
No, so long as you are retarded it'll be fine.
Probably nothing to worry about, I still shoot a Colt 1911 from 1914.
>>30178606
I heard that from multiple sources, especially considering that 6.5 swede is no match to M96 receiver. I tried to find metallurgical reports on swede steel used from receivers but there isn't much out there.
No, they were well maintained. If they used the receiver again it was good and still had a lot of life left in it.
Just remember that they're still 100+ year old rifles made with metallurgy and manufacturing techniques from over a century ago, no matter how well they were made or how top tier the steel was at the time they won't be as strong as a modern equivalent. And they're a small ring to boot. They're exceptional and will handle the loads they were made for with no problems, but just don't expect them to do modern hotrod 6.5x55 loads and try to chase 3,000fps.
I have a beater m/96 with target sights and a pretty nice m/38-96, both 1916.
>>30178721
I don't hand load I would be buying ammo for it. How happy are you with accuracy, especially on the one with target sights?
>>30178753
Shoots good, regularly sub MOA. Mechanically the rifle is easily sub MOA with good ammo. They're legendary for it, and some of the most accurate service rifles ever made.
How to read a brass disk
I fucking want one.
>>30178899
Me too. Gorgeous
I fucking love the 6.5x55 cartridge.
>>30178899
>sexual feeling
What do they cost in the US? Here in Sweden you can get one for ~80 USD.
>>30179930
Fucking where ?, all i find is bubba'd into hunting shit.
>>30179941
Blocket for example
http://m.blocket.se/boden/Jaktgevar_66377362.htm?ca=11&w=3
>>30179941
https://www.blocket.se/varmland/Mauser_96_67297651.htm?ca=11&w=3
Abit over 80USD and the guy can't even take a proper Photo but you can find good deals
>>30179970
>>30180019
Much obliged fellow svenskjävlar.
>>30180019
The 6.5mm mauser in that link costs 500 kr, and that is roughly 62 USD. So yeah, you are just plain wrong.
Ive got an all matching m94 from 1903. Its pretty sick
>>30180113
>clearly says 2 500:- SEK
>>30180113
In the link i posted its 281$ im not talking about the 500kr one.
>>30180049
I mostly see them for 1000kr-3500kr waiting for somone that i selling one with lots a surplus 6.5mm ammo until i buy one.
>>30180136
Oh, I assumed that he was talking about the link he responded to, not his own link.
Now Im the retard I guess.
>>30180173
And he wasnt even responding to that one. Fuck it, I should just stop posting and go to bed.
>>30180155
I'm just probing the prices of actual stores which explains why i cant find a decent one for normal money.
>>30178584
No, metal doesn't fall apart or become brittle with age.
Also, never dry fire a Swedish rifle, it can damage the cocking sleeve.
If you're in the market for a Swedish M96, keep on the lookout for an [SA] stamp, some were sold to Finland to remove Borscht.
Is it blasphemy to buy a M96 that has had its receiver drilled for diopters?
Or should I stop being a faggot and get an M63 instead?
>>30180297
Diopters were mostly factory installed and that is considered historically correct, in fact you should try to get one with a period correct diopter
Fun fact: the M96, as long as it is not sporterized, is one of the very few firearms that can be bought and sold in France without any permit whatsoever. You can thank retarded firearm legislation for this.
>>30180362
Don't worry they will realize their scary mistake soon enough. All it takes is one concerned sand coon
>>30178584
FYI, OP. The rifle in your pic is an m/38 Swedish Mauser, not an m/96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Mauser
Swedish steel is widely regarded as some of the best steel in the world. I wouldn't worry about a Swedish receiver failing.
>>30180123
>Ive got an all matching m94 from 1903. Its pretty sick
Except your pic is obviously a m/94-14.
>>30181861
The "Swedish steel" distinction was only relevant until the mid-20th Century. Naturally occurring alloys are only a factor of cost these days.
>>30181910
Can you elaborate on this, not sure what you mean exactly
>>30183446
Before we got really good at dissecting and rearranging the microstructures and alloying elements in steel production, different regions were known for producing differing qualities of steel due to naturally occurring alloy content.
These days we can take the shittiest ore possible and turn it into the highest quality tool steels, given enough time and effort. As such, naturally occurring alloys are only a factor of cost, not quality.
But in 1905 where you sourced your steel from really did matter. Especially since there wasn't a codified standard set for different grades of steel like there is today.
>>30178899
>>30179891
>>30179849
>Even my uncle, who deeply sees no point in milsurp guns, saw a pic of one of these in an old issue of Shotgun News, and said "Ooh, I like that."
Swedish Mausers impervious to fudd-ery confirmed.
Mfw
>>30183503
I have found the steel to be very resistant to rust. Even surfaces left un-blued don't seem to rust.
>>30180297
No.
Tons of them were drilled and tapped for diopters by the Swedish equivalent of the civilian marksmanship program.
It's very common, and nearly all the ones you find that are drilled and tapped are done by a state organization that knew what they were doing and did it right.
If you want to it's pretty easy to fill in such screw holes, but if you want to rifle to look 100% original you'll have to refinish it afterwards.
>>30181910
As someone who works in an industry that buys quite a lot of high-grade steel, we pretty much only buy Nisshin (jap) or Sandvik (swedish) steels and metals.
>>30178584
The standard swede ammunition these used was 140 grain if i remember correctly. And that seemed to be safe. However i have heard storues that modern ammo can cause issues
>>30178584
Quality of steel in these rifles in excellent, but the bolt design with its two locking lugs is not among the strongest of its type plus some manufacturers do make 6.5 x 55 SE ammunition that has pressure levels designed for more modern rifles, but commonly assumed excessive for this particular bolt design in long-term use.
In other words: If you use factory ammo, make sure it is not high-power stuff designed for more modern rifles and if you make your own ammo make sure that the loading manuals that you use are not suggesting loads that are too powerful. Might be worth noting the loading manuals I have seen had taken the matter into consideration, but there may be exceptions.
Other than that Swedish mausers are excellent rifles. I have shot old military rifle competitions with rifle M96 that is now over 90 years old for about an decade by now and the rifle had never let me down.
Finding the correct sight settings with good sight picture (I prefer 6 o'clock hold) for various ranges can be challenging and time consuming. Normal M96 rear sight ladder have settings that start from 300 meters and are not exactly fine pitched due to rather poor ballistics of the original 1890's ammunition that still used round-nose bullets. But this can be fixed by acquiring set of foresight posts.
If you plan shooting it a lot or doing competitions recommended accessories include rifle sling, few clips, foresight adjustment tool (foresight is drift adjustable) and foresight hood.
There are two options for sight picture with M96. Very early production M96 have V notch in rear sight and sharp front front sight post, while later M96 (and all M38) have U notch and rectangular front sight post.
Rifle M96 it somewhat front-heavy compared to M38, so shooting it well from standing position is bit more demanding, but it also has longer sight radius.
>>30180273
Finland bought 77,000 rifles M96 during Finnish - Soviet Winter War (Nov 1939 - March 1940), some 25,000 of them were returned to Sweden after Germany invaded Denmark and Norway in April of 1940. Rest of the rifles saw use with Finnish military during Continuation War (June 1941 - September 1944).
In addition Swedish - Norwegian volunteer unit SFK (Svenska Frivilligkåren) brought about 7,900 rifles M96 and about 1,000 carbines M94 with them. These rifles were left to Finland when Winter War ended, but about 6,000 of the rifles M96 were returned to Sweden in April. The carbines did not see much use with Finnish military.
>>30188389
Fun fact!
The Model 1894 carbine is still in official military use in Sweden.
They're used both for training and the mounted royal guard use them to guard the castle.
So if you see photos of the royal guard and think they carry unloaded rifles just for the ceremony of it all, think again.
They even carry spare stripper clips.
I have one, haven't shot it yet because I only have modern ammo and I'm afraid of fucking it up.
>>30189546
Somewhat related, especially to that pic:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/198u3hoy413b1jw/soldr_mtrl_vapen_karbin.pdf
I have and M39 VKT manufacture with a receiver dated 1895 and it's okay to shoot.
It's the one on the right.
>>30189546
Yum
every once in a while I realize that I missed out on the golden age of collecting milsurp. You never knew what coming into the country next. Rifles were bough by a fucking crate literally. Everything dirt cheap, ammo abundant like yeast in Feinstein's pussy.
Now, we pay big bucks to get milsurp, its not easy. Modern rifles cost less than milsurp in a lot of cases. Yet, here I am. Buying another M96. Can't help myself, nothing is prettier than a milsurp rifle to me
ahhh, mauser m96.
I want one as a hunting rifle.
>>30190738
why don't you get one?
