h-holy.. soviets BTFO
>>30177883
>Axis superiority on the Eastern Front collapses
>The Soviet Red Army gains the initiative over the German Wehrmacht
>Soviets gain territory along a 2,000 km (1,200 mi) wide front after the battle
>BTFO
Stormfags everybody.
>>30177883
can't into numerical superiority
>Poles: 9 KIA
>Soviets: 8000 Casualties
Soviets BTFO? This battle basically destroyed the Germany's ability to wage an offensive war on the Eastern front, it was a massive victory for the Russians.
>>30177930
nigger can you even into irony
a guick guide into tactical self-fuck: an account of u.s. military operations in aleutians.
>>30177995
how can I tell if it's irony if 90% of stormfags are unironic and spew vatnik memes everywhere?
>>30178028
>hits a mine
>that's where the casualties come from
makes sense
Why are Russians such horrible soldiers?
>>30178031
>act like a vatnik
>surprised when people treat you like a vatnik
>>30178050
It's hard to shoot straight or come up with competent commands when suffering from a hangover
>>30178060
That why they made the PPSh?
>>30178031
anybody with a basic grasp of reality could tell that the soviets BTFOd the germans. OP is just fucking around and mocking wehraboos
>>30178080
No, the Soviets won the war, but statistically, they got decimated.
>>30178096
The end justifies the means.
>>30178050
horrible mentality, as a result from a cancerous culture and government
>>30178068
is that all the biggest country on the planet has to show for itself?
a sub machine gun?
>>30178096
i know, but what matters is that they won
>>30178103
>>30178115
Tell that to the widows and mothers.
>Your son could've survived had Stalin not murdered some generals
>>30178080
Germany attacks Russia who almost has a 3:1 superiority. Russia takes almost 5:1 casualties.
>btfo
>>30178132
said widows and mothers didn't/don't care. the russians still view it as a holy war of sorts.
>>30178161
No, that was passed down from the communist party. The nation didn't celebrate this Pyrrhic victory like the western world thinks.
>>30178175
>implying the russian people had a choice as how to celebrate the victory
>>30178160
M8 this battle basically destroyed any chance Germany had left of winning the war.
I'd say that they got BTFO'd.
>>30178193
I guess you're right, zapoys are still a thing here.
>>30177883
>h-holy.. soviets BTFO
>>30178132
>implying Soviet dirt farmers had that much perspective
Ya'll niggas need to watch Come and See (Иди и cмoтpи). Then talk about justifications.
>>30177995
>irony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
>>30178235
>Dindu Nuffin: The Movie
fuck outta here with that one sided bullshit
>>30178223
Is that a Panther with a short 75mm?
>>30178245
Found the wehraboo.
>>30178254
>found the wehraboo
I'm actually not, I just don't like how the Russians act like they're honorable people who didn't do anything to deserve what they got
regardless, both sides on the eastern front got what they had coming
>Germans currently in the middle of an eternal guilt trip and being breeded out of existence
>Russians are a joke now and reduced into being a 2nd rate regional power, can't into economy
>>30178277
Lets be honest here.
The Soviets deserved every single death they suffered for their hand in starting the war in the first place.
>>30178301
>starting the war
how
>>30178304
Gee, I dunno.
>>30178313
>the non-aggression pact started the war
where did this meme come from
>>30178301
>for their hand in starting the war in the first place.
$10 bucks says this fag is going to bring up some bullshit about Barbarossa being a pre-emptive strike from www.ebulgommiesieghail88.net
>>30178334
>>30178336
>I literally know nothing of the Moltov-Ribbentrop Pact
What's it like being willfully ignorant?
>>30178301
I wouldn't say they started the war, but they deserved the body count that they got for the shit they tried pulling like being allied with the Germans when they invaded Poland and Holomodor
>tfw they tried to erase these things like they didn't happen
I remember a anon here who posted a few Soviet era school textbooks and they literally had a paragraph dedicated to the Invasion of Poland mixed in with Germany annexing the Sudetenland
>>30178344
how the fuck did the molotov-ribbentrop pact start the war. the germans moved first against poland.
only vatniks think the invasion of Finland and Poland painted them as the "good guys"
>>30178277
>>30178301
You are a horrible human being.
>Hurr it's totally alright to burn non-combatants alive
Holy shit kys
>>30178369
>being allied with the invaders = Helping start the war
>>30178394
Just like it's totally alright to kill prisoners of war, right?
Russians are the ultimate dindus
>>30178394
You reap what you sew. Morally its wrong but I can't feel bad for Russians
>>30178344
>>30178347
>>30178387
These are the posters who don't even know what lands were taken from the Poles by the Soviets.
Psst, they only expanded as far as original Belarus and Ukrainian borders were before Polish expansion decades prior.
>>30178410
>>30178412
>X did Y
>so X deserves Z in return
No, no, and no.
>>30178403
>agreeing to declare war on countries and split their territories amongst yourselves while giving assurances of non-aggression != having a hand in starting a war
>>30178425
>>30178431
>arguing with stormfags
don't waste your time, just exit the thread and move on.
Poles deserved Katyn for joining Napoleon's invasion of Russia.
Poles deserve another Katyn for actively participating the American unprovoked attack and invasion of Iraq.
>>30178412
that's how i feel about the germans. what did the russians sow.
>>30178413
>unironically saying russia dindunuffin
I love it
>>30177930
>Stormfags
I am a naziboo but I still cannot deny how badly they got beat. OP is just anti-russian as a whole.
>>30178435
So you agree that Russia did have a very clear hand in starting WWII?
>>30177930
>>30178449
Probably a Pole or Amerifat.
>>30178437
>>30178425
>X did Y
>so X deserves Z in return
no, no and no
>>30178457
russia had as much of a hand in starting the war as finland did in being a part of the axis
>almost none
>>30178483
Then neither did Germany
>>30178470
Poles and Balts derserve genocide today because they join American imperialism around the world and also want to drag the rest of Europe into bleeding for their own personal vendetta against the Vatniki.
I say that as German, who dont want my boys to die for some shitty eastern european slavs in denial who are still butthurt about being weak and getting raped.
>>30178441
>what did the Russians do
m8
prewar
>starving an entire nation
>sending NKVD units to raid Polish outposts
>flying Russian recconasaince planes into Poland
>Threatening every Baltic country
1939-41
>Invading Poland with Germany
>Invading Finland
>War crimes in Finland
>Katyn
>Warcrimes in the Baltics in 1940
there's a reason Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians welcomed the Germans as liberators
>>30178499
fuck it i'll take the bait. germany moved first in the war.
>>30178508
>flying Russian recconasaince planes into Poland
>Threatening every Baltic country
wew lad by that logic we should be raping and pillaging russia right now
>>30178521
Only because the Soviets wanted to secure their other border first. Then the Soviets immediately broke their own agreement with the Germans by taking more land then they said they would.
Soviets deserved it.
>>30178457
by this line of logic Poland started the war with the Munich Agreement
>as long as I can tell myself Germany din do nuffin, right?
>>30178277
>Come and See
>shows Soviet Partisans basically using Children and murdering prisoners
>hurrr it maek soviets lu gud
Its a wonder it was even released at the time, since it didn't glorify the war or either side.
>>30178410
>Just like it's totally alright to kill prisoners of war, right?
You mean literal death camps where Poles killed Soviet POWs two decades prior to that?
>>30178347
> Germany annexing the Sudetenland
You mean when Poles cut the slice of Chekhoslovakia in 1938?
Poland is an equivalent of an uppity bitch playing victim when she's not busy stabbing you in the back.
>>30178457
>Poles take land from the Czechs
>Clearly the Poles started WWII
This is how fucking retarded you are.
>>30178552
Who says Germany dindunuffin?
The entire premise of this argument stems from >>30178301 which clearly says that the Soviets had direct involvement in starting the war, not that they were the sole reason.
Nice try though, vatshit.
>>30178537
>border autism justifies 11.3 million russian civilians killed at the hands of the germans
>>30178573
>direct involvement
Well if you classify that as direct involvement, why not blame the French and British?
>>30178581
>killing millions of people and destroying a country deserves hugs and kisses
>>30178610
that's what germany did lmao
The fact that anyone here would think this isn't expected from Zhukov actually surprises me. Motherfucker made regulars jump out of planes flying low altitude without parachutes because he ran out of actual paratroopers at one point. No doubt about the effectiveness of his tactics, because they fucking worked somehow, but they're antiquated and pretty damn sacrificial.
There's a reason the term "Zhukov's Tactics" is somewhat derogatory.
>>30178587
I don't recall the Brits and French drawing up plans for the annexation and division of Germany and then launching an aggressive war on it. Could you enlighten me?
>>30178506
>Poles and Balts derserve genocide today because they join American imperialism around the world and also want to drag the rest of Europe into bleeding for their own personal vendetta against the Vatniki.
I know this is b8 but you act like thats a bad thing. They're with us now because we don't make demands threatening to anhiliate them. That's why Russians hate us, were scooping up all their Warsaw Pact Allies/Buffer States
>>30177883
Retards on youtube listed this as "Hitler speaks normally", but its actually a legit recording of Hitler speaking candidly about losing the war.
My favorite part (and the one most relevant here), comes at 1:49, when he says "If you or one of my generals had stated that any nation has 35,000 tanks I'd have said, "You, my good sir, you see everything twice or ten times. ..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec
>>30178644
Russians mostly hate you for Yugoslavia. It was hard to find more ameriboo country than Russia prior to 1999.
>>30178560
>literal death camps
took me literally 3 minutes to disprove your Pravda tier claim
>Existing documents disprove the allegations by Soviet ideologues, that the Russian POWs were exterminated. The prisoners' nationality, religion or other issues had no bearing on their POW status.[1][5] The archives prove that the cause of death were epidemics of influenza, typhus, cholera and dysentery. Infectious diseases took a heavy toll on active soldiers and the civilian population as well.[1]
Disease liquidated the Russians, not bullets
>The Russian representative in the commission, Matveyev, rejected the joint statement two years later in 2006 increasing the number of prisoners by 40 percent.[6]
kek I wonder why, Russian arnt too keen on admitting they made a mistake
But whatever, keep believing what you want to believe.
>>30178676
Imagine how easily the Soviets would've stomped Germany if they had competent commanders.
>>30178723
>a competant Russia
that's a scary thought.
>Thank god for vodka, amirite?
>>30178735
it's less vodka and more that anyone competent was seen as a threat to Uncle Joe.
>>30178028
Never underestimate soul of the ninja.
>>30178413
>not knowing about multiple gang repas of poland through the ages
those territories were polish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Poland
>>30178811
>Brest
>Polish
lol
>>30178811
I'm confused, numerous armies have conquered, raped, partitioned or just rolled through Poland on their way to invade some actual country. Which one are you referring to?
>>30177962
And after that people keep talking about Stalin desire to spread revolution. He was against that campaign from the beginning.
Although, this is my favorite.
always a fun topic.
>>30180310
>unknown, but probably higher
gold
>>30178437
>Unprovoked
Please.
>>30179082
Ah yes MacArthur.
He's a real hoot.
>>30178028
It's not much to look at. You were never engaged with enemy forces. So no military prowess, bravery, tactics, logistics, troop quality could be estimated as let's say the Germans at Kursk or the Japs at Burma.
>>30182375
>So no military prowess, bravery, tactics, logistics, troop quality could be estimated
>troop quality
>Friendly fire has nothing to do with troop quality
>>30182500
No it actually doesn't, not in a case when you're attempting to rate them against an enemy force....a force that wasn't there. I can place you in the dark or under mist and I'm sure you'd probably slaughter your entire family.
Like I said, show battles where two combatants were involved. The whole Operation Cottage thing is a nothing but another horrible forced meme. And not a funny one like laughing Chris Evans.
>>30178028
Hey sea mines are no fucking joke
>>30178313
Pre-empted by 5 fucking years.
>>30178437
>Poles deserved Katyn for joining Napoleon's invasion of Russia.
Oh boy who'd have thought they would be eager for revenge against the people that annexed their fucking country
>>30178529
>wew lad by that logic we should be raping and pillaging russia right now
If only...
>>30177883
>decisive Soviet victory
>>30180310
>machinegun joke
>implying the majority of Russians didn't die from german arty
>>30178160
>Germany attacks Russia who almost has a 3:1 superiority. Russia takes almost 5:1 casualties.
>lose the war regardless
>15 million of your women get raped and impregnated by Soviet males
>thanks to this 25% of Germany today is Asian
What a victory eh Stormfront?
>>30178050
Basically anything Russia won has been because there were just so fucking many of them the enemy couldn't pump out bullets half as fast as the government can toss out severely under trained soldiers, the joys of a fuck huge conscription based military.
>>30178068
>"Made" the PPSH
>Get shit slapped by the Finns
>They have a good gun cyka
>is our idea now
>>30186577
>muh human wave tactics meme
>>30186577
Spotted the retard. Explain the entire history of Russo-Ottoman wars then. Similar weapons and equipment, almost identical fleets, constant Turkish advantage in numbers, persistent Russian domination nevertheless. Different mentality, inequal quality of leadership.
these threads really brings out the slavaboos
>>30186648
>Suvorov
Not fair tвh. He was napoleon-tier exception
>literally never lost a battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rymnik
>all the people in this thread arguing whether 1 of the two worst sides in history was justified in anything
Soviet were invasive assholes who massacred local populations and deserved every death
Germans were invasive assholes who massacred local populations and deserved every death
there ya go
>>30188779
Sorry, I don't remember Soviets systematically genociding civilian population in millions.
>>30188838
what is Stalin in general?
what is Gulag?
what is rape and pillage of Germany?
they only never targeted a specific ethnic group
>>30177883
Ah, the much vaunted Zapp Brannigan strategy
>>30188870
this, sorry that the Russians arnt the heroes the USSR said they were
>>30188870
>what is Stalin in general?
A person who personally shot trillion people?
>what is Gulag?
Penal labour, a fairly widespread phenomenon that has nothing to do with genocide.
>what is rape and pillage of Germany?
Rape and pillage is something that happens during any war. It has nothing to do with genocide either and was not systematic from the Soviet side.
>they only never targeted a specific ethnic group
And which group would that be, I wonder?
>>30188870
Putin said that people saying bad things about russias history are trying to undermine russias moral values.
None of it happened stop trying to turn russia into gay jew nazi
>>30188935
>A person who personally shot trillion people?
strawman
we both know I was talking policy
the man had many of his closest advisers and peers killed out of paranoia too
>Penal labour, a fairly widespread phenomenon that has nothing to do with genocide.
I never said genocide, I said massacred and many died in gulag
>Rape and pillage is something that happens during any war. It has nothing to do with genocide either and was not systematic from the Soviet side.
yes but often it is discouraged or there is some sort of punishment, also the scale of it is much larger than almost anything similar that happened in this war and other wars
Just because it's not systematic doesn't mean it's excusable
>And which group would that be, I wonder?
is this a counterargument?
Stormfags are just as bad as you
>>30188985
How was it a strawman? You can't just go "lol Stalin" and call it a day. Stalin-what? 30s purges? Yes, he was a dictator that killed people for political reasons. However nowhere near as bad as fucking Hitler.
>I never said genocide
I did. I said that I don't remember Soviets systematically genociding civilian population in millions. And then you brought up gulag.
>yes but often it is discouraged or there is some sort of punishment
It was among all the Allies. What's your point? That it was on much larger scale on the Eastern Front. The Eastern Front itself was quite a "larger scale". And I am not trying to make excuses for it. It did happen and it was bad. Nowhere near as bad as what Nazis did.
>is this a counterargument?
No, it's a genuine question.
>>30177883
>be me
>1945
>soviet grunt
>starved for months, seen friends mowed down by MG42
>somehow still alive
>preparing for berlin, final battle
>this will be the single greatest accomplishment of my life
>ready to die
>attack city (if you could call it that)
>literally no opposition besides starving children
>leave my slavic mark on the gene pool while the fuhrer shoots himself in a bunker somewhere
war is hell
>>30189251
fuck off commie
>>30177883
nazis btfo
>>30189297
>mfw a wehraboo near me gets all salty
>>30182987
Were there provisions in that agreement to attack and annex other countries like the Molotov Ribbentrop pact?
>Von Manstein v. Zhukov
Not as well known, and a Soviet victory because americucks had funneled so much raw material to the bolsheviks at that point but still
A battle worth remembering.
>>30189434
Rokossovsky/Konev, not Zhukov sorry.
>>30189444
I was going to say, that if that was Zhukov it's missing a lot of artillery and casualties.
>This was the army group that was supposed to be destroyed at Kursk
Good job, Russia.
>>30189324
I bet he didn't do crossfit
>>30177979
>This battle basically destroyed the Germany's ability to wage an offensive war on the Eastern front
I think that would be Stalingrad.
>>30178050
>>30178060
>>30178068
>>30189251
>go home and have shit life because you aren't American
how does it feel to eat shit commie
>>30189690
>tfw american
how's it feel to get cucked nazi
>>30189716
Good because I'm not a Nazi
Commies are shit, Fascists are shit
>>30189548
>The Stalingrad meme still being shitted out by /k/ommandos
It was the first bloody nose the German army suffered, but losing that battle and one army was not the end. The end came at Kursk because Hitler refused to accept Erich von Manstein's back handed offensive in the summer (see Third Battle of Kharkov for example)
>>30189729
>Losing an entire fucking army was not the end
Good joke, mate. If it was not the end it was at least its beginning.
>>30189729
>If it was not the end it was at least its beginning.
Read >>30189729
>It was the first bloody nose the German army suffered
>The first
>Reading comprehension
>What is it
Also
>Because losing an army means the entire war is lost no matter what
>>30189919
Calm you tits, aspie. This is not a computer game where you can just hire more soldiers. Losing an entire army and strategic initiative across the whole front did mean the lost war for Germany. Post fucking factum. They never recovered.
>>30190035
>Calm you tits, aspie.
>you tits
Also, you're the one here that seems to be getting upset friendo, and I'm not even the guy you were initially talking with.
Also you're wrong. When you calm down a bit maybe we can talk, but for right now, you are a tad emotional for my tastes.
>>30190071
Yeah, whatever.
What do you call 12 dead Germans and 400 dead Russians?
A tactical Soviet victory.
>>30190492
What do you call it when a kettle gets shot?
Decisive Dutch Victory.
>>30189716
Did that nigger put the gun to his head?
>>30190931
back to /pol/ we dont want you here
>>30191011
Back to African we don't want YOU here.
>>30191065
I probably wouldn't fit in considering that I am white. And I probably couldn't take my house, guns, girlfriend, and most importantly my pupper so I'm going to have to decline your offer.
>>30191236
Cool you've got a house, guns, girl, and dog? You must be as important as Donald Trump. I bet your net worth is 3 billion dollars. Too bad us peasants have to go on living in shanty towns while fighting with stone axes.
Good thing you let me know how magnificent you are over the internet. Run for senate.
>>30178560
> You mean when Poles cut the slice of Chekhoslovakia in 1938?
Lord Curzon, please.
The Czechs cut off a chunk of Poland (populated mostly by Poles) while Poland was in the midst of saving Europe from the Bolsheviks in 1920.
>>30188838
>Sorry, I don't remember Soviets systematically genociding civilian population in millions.
The Soviets murdered at least 100,000 Poles _after_ they "liberated" the country from the Nazis...
>>30191451
>Poles
They probably deserve it.
I don't know why I love looking at these lopsided victories so much. Please post more anons
>>30191281
I wasn't bragging
>>30191986
Because they are inspirational. We've all been in a situation where we were out massed somehow. Showing either the smaller group of well trained troops or a smarter commander or better tech or a more powerful force going up against the adversity is something we all admire. It is the ultimate testament on how badass a certain faction, civilization or unit was.
