>>30177607
I personally don't like aluminum frames
or double action triggers
or decoking safeties
or safeties mounted on the slide
or fat doublestack grips
but it's a good looking and reliable weapon
most complaints on /k/ are that it's huge as fuck and the safety is on the slide
>>30177607
>I feel the Beretta is a great character, it's so strong and elegant. The other guns look dumb to me.
-John Woo
It's pretty cool imo
I fucking hate it, trying to replace the godly M1911
I shot one once, only thing I recall is the trigger being bad.
But from an aesthetic and historical point of view, I like it.
My primary annoyance with it is the slide mounted safety.
Aside from that, it's mostly the lackluster trigger.
If I were a service man forced to carry it, I'd also complain about the weight. Because pistols are so rarely used, but still weigh you down. It doesn't do anything that a polymer wonder couldn't do.
I don't really hate Berettas btw, I like the Beretta 87 Target just fine. And the Billenium is pretty sex to shoot, with the cleaned up trigger and the frame mounted safety.
It's huge for what it is and otherwise average across the board but it makes dakka and isn't too ugly.
>>30177678
PS: The 93R is sex.
>>30177607
some limitations do to its age and desgin, there are also some advantages to its desgin. You can argue there are better, modern things and yeah no shit youd be right but its good for what it is. a duty sized DA/SA large 9mm with a slide mounted safety
if you like that then its good for you. Its also one of the best looking and feeling pistols IMO, considering the best recent thing beretta could come up with is the APX id say hold onto it for the looks alone. it doesnt seem like beretta cares about appearances like they used to
>>30177607
Are there any mags that are interchangeable with it?
For me it took a long time getting used to the trigger on it. That slide mounted safety can be annoying too, I don't think I'll ever personally own one
Wish I could get my hands on a 92. The one with the frame-mounted safety, instead of the slide-mounted safety lever on all the other models.
>>30177607
Fantastic weapon, I only use the safety as a decocker, idk why everyone always complains about it, it's probably because they have littley girly hands and can't reach it... This is a weapon for manly men. It's like a pair of Italian shoes or a Ferrari, quality.
>>30179201
>quality
I guess that's why Taurus is the only noteworthy manufacturer to ever copy it on large scale, whereas CZs and Sigs have seen widespread copies & adaptations.
>>30177607
I love shooting it, happily own one.
>>30179201
>idk why everyone always complains about it
1. it decocks the gun, meaning condition 1 is impossible
2. even if you have normal sized hands it is far from where your thumb naturally rests
>>30179201
I don't own and have never fired a 92, but it is funny that you mention 2 things that are well beyond their heyday as correlates.
Italians don't really make the top end shoes any longer, Britain and especially Japan crush them these days. And Ferrari? Shit quality, reliability, and even their performance has been eclipsed by UKians and, again, Japanimen.
>>30177607
IT'S JUST A GOOD SOLID TANK
Not really related, but lets say I have a few legit 93R parts, like the angled front grip hardware (I do). What would be the best version of the gun to build it on? Obviously it required extensive mods to the frame, but what model is closes to the 93R?
>>30177607
>shit sights (front sight milled into the slide can't be replaced)
>shit size (too large for being "just" a 9mm
>shit safety (slide mounted is dumb as fuck)
>having a safety at all (useless extra for a pistol)
>Too heavy for being just a 9mm
>stupid exposed barrel just asking to get jammed up with mud and shit
Not a fan
What's Berettas justification for not changing the safety to a frame-mounted one on the M9A3?
My only complaint is they're fuck huge, but that's just because I've got tiny baby hands.
>>30177607
Just can't compare to a cz, sorry fellas
>>30179581
Okay then don't carry it condition 1, it's meant to be carrier like a revolver, one in the chamber in double action
>>30179958
only semi auto double action triggers suck
>don't carry it condition 1
I would never buy one in the first place. BHP, CZ 75 or USP instead.
>>30179201
>idk why everyone always complains about it, it's probably because they have littley girly hands and can't reach it...
typical retard
it's because there is a chance that you'll end up engaging the safety if you rack the slide with your hand
manual safeties in general are not a desirable feature anymore
It is what it is and that's what it is and that's all it is.
>>30179598
I never claimed they were the best, just quality. Leave it up to a tripfag to be a total sperg
>>30180013
>>30179998
Calling me a retard, you sir are the retard, I've literally fired thousands of rounds through mine and NEVER experienced accidentally engaging the safety, matter of fact I'm manipulating the slide on my 92 right now trying to figure out how one would and I literally can't.
>>30179807
Compatibility with current stock of parts, also it means they don't have to re-train anyone.
>>30179979
It's perfectly suited for self defense? What the trigger pull too heavy for u? Pooooosay
>>30179581
>1. it decocks the gun, meaning condition 1 is impossible
Can't you decock to put it on safe then just pull the hammer back manually?
>>30179650
Probably the Taurus PT92.
It has a frame-mounted safety, standard mag release and it doesn't have the slight curve to the bottom of the grip.
>>30179979
>only semi auto double action triggers suck
>CZ 75 or USP instead.
Are you retarded?
>>30180107
Do you not know how decockers work on any firearm?
>>30180107
condition one is cocked and locked
round in the chamber
hammer back
safety on
impossible
>>30180099
the weight is not important. it's the pull that's inconsistent.
semiautos use coil mainsprings. revolvers (the good ones) use leaf springs. revolver double action is perfectly fine but it is shit in a semiauto.
>>30180133
no. both of those can be carried cocked and locked.
they can be safely carried and shot without ever having to use the vestigial double action trigger
>>30179650
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/firearms/finder/#ds=Pistol&mpp=72 find out
>>30180176
The USP had a safety decocker, why an it be carried cooked and locked but the Beretta can't?
>>30180156
It's a combat orientated firearm, the double action trigger on the 92 is fine for self defense, if u don't like it for range use, that's fine just use it in single action.
>>30180248
The beretta automatically decocks when the safety is engaged, the USP does not.
>>30180291
So what is stopping you from manually pulling back the hammer while the gun is on safe? Is the hammer unable to engage the sear while the gun is on safe?
>>30180260
>It's a combat orientated firearm
so are the BHP, CZ 75, and USP
>>30180248
the up position is safe, middle is fire, down is decock.
also the USP safety is modular with ten different variants. the part to convert it to variants 5 and 6 removes the decocker function entirely.
>>30180316
>Is the hammer unable to engage the sear while the gun is on safe?
Yup.
>>30177607
Love it and love slide mounted safeties.
>>30177607
Literally the only problem with it is that the current pistols in the US inventory are too old. It's a worthy handgun, very accurate.
>>30180338
that was also the only problem with the 1911s they had in the 1980s
Beretta should have completely replaced the M9 and 92fs with guns patterned after the Elite series.
>replaceable sights
>decocker only
>flush barrel
>brig slides
>D spring
bumpy
bumpy
The trigger pull is long and it's huge as a god damn barn.
But it looks great and if you can get good with the trigger it's accurate as hell.
I'd use one as a range fun but not my main defensive option.
>>30180650
>bumps every five minutes
gb2>>>/b/
>>30180440
92=M9=92
>>30177639
>double stack fatness
Fits my hand fine, feels a bit slim even.
it's also light as all hell, but this is in comparison to full frame revolvers and even older automatics of mostly stainless.
>>30179298
Taurus used to be a beretta plant you mong
>>30179712
>2 big
>2 heavy
>2 far to reach for safety
spotted the woman
>tfw there will never be a 10mm doublestack 92
>>30180765
>>30180788
Wtf is going on here? What happend to your hand?
>>30177702
>frame safety
>3 rnd burst
>folding foregrip
It looks like the Italians actually managed to pray the gay away this time.
>>30179998
>engage the safety by racking
literally impossible.
A. it is held in the fire position by a detent stiff enough to literally use the safety as cocking wings
B. the slide serrations are physically UNDER the flip up safety. no matter how you rack it it is impossible to engage the safety
C. the sight picture is completely different when in safe, giving you an obvious visual cue the slack trigger will not go pew
D. it acts as a decocker, meaning that if you engaged the safety the hammer would not stay cocked, another "fucking obvious" thing a non retard would notice if they forgot the gun was on safe, because as stated this user error literally can't happen.
the safety being visible, large, and easily actuated to the fire position is if anything a feature but it definitely isn't a detractor.
>>30180828
I took out the lead and powder leaving nothing but the primer and then proceeded to go into my shower and fire it. This was on the day I got it, it was too late to go the range for a function test, I just wanted to make sure it would fire. As for my hand, it was a glocknade accident, the reason I switched to the 92.
>>30179842
that looks like a plastic toy.
>>30181146
Yet it is a more solid design than any other wonder 9
>>30181146
which is ironic because it's solid steel
even the beretta is mostly aluminum
>>30181146
Probably has something to do with the shit finish that flakes off if you look at it wrong, I hear the internal machining is pretty shit too.
>>30180144
What a useless thing to know. Decockers are garbage.
>>30180885
Fucking around with your bullet loads...
I guess i dont have to ask why your glock blew up.
Let me guess you used handloads or +p at some point?
>>30181351
How are decockers garbage? You would rather drop the hammer with your thumb or unchamber a round by pulling the slide? Fuckkng don't answer that it's a rhetorical question, you're moronic.
>>30181245
Unless that's an original short rail then it has an alloy frame. SIGs, Berettas, CZs, and just about every other modern metal framed handgun use aluminum alloy frames.
>>30181441
Decockers are garbage
>>30181426
Taking the lead (projectile) and powerd out leaving ONLY brass and a primer is perfectly fine... As for the glock thing LURK more newfag
>>30181454
Your debating skills are garbage
>>30181451
>expecting the opinionated to be educated
case and point below
>>30181454
>being able to safely carry chambered hammer down
>needing to remove the magizine and rack the slide to safely decock the gun
>bad things
>>30181491
>The hammer is down
>This means it is impossible to fire
You're a retard
Pretty big and slide mounted safety
Aside from that it's nice
>>30181501
>this retarded
DA/SA with a decocker means you can safely carry hammer down, safety off due to the length of travel and weight of the trigger AND safely transition from SA to DA ya dongus.
>>30181451
that's wrong you retard
CZ 75 is steel. the new frames are cast instead of forged like the originals, but they are steel. not aluminum.
SIGs are usually aluminum but they have several variants with steel frames now
>>30177607
They're cheap to the military and they're made to be equally uncomfortable in everyone's hand.
You're better off with a gun that fits your hand since you have the option of choosing.
Wait until there are a bunch of cheap surplus ones floating around to get one imho.
It's a very solid gun so long as what you want is a full sized, all metal 9mm pistol.
>>30181469
but even the glocknade gen glocks TYPICALLY only went full frag if and ONLY if you tried to put high pressure loads in them.
>>30181574
>Drops gun
>Gun lands on hammer
>Doesn't have half-cock fail safe in case of the DA sear shearing off because muh double action is safer
>Goes to jail for killing small child
You enjoy that buddo
>>30179807
>What's Berettas justification for not changing the safety to a frame-mounted one on the M9A3?
Have seen the A3 or read any of it's specs, cause it sure as hell doesn't sound like it.
>>30182103
read the question again
>>30182103
Wow look at that wonderful slide mounted safety/decocker
>>30179712
You know your size and weight bitchint is retarded based on 18 and 20 round mags, longer sight radius and more weight to control the already low recoil.
As for the exposed barrel the only valid complaint is the reduction of slide surface to manipulate and the reliability aspect of it is purely speculative and has never actually been proven to help or hurt function since it scraps itself clean, even if shit falls into itm easy in, easy out
>>30182095
>beretta 92
>not having a half cock notch
you're an ignoramus
>>30180108
Its going to be a custom job no matter what, so there's no real reason not to start with a 92D of vertecD before sending it to AGW
>>30180357
>that was also the only problem with the 1911s they had in the 1980s
Wrong, those 1911's were flawed in that they were chambered in .45 ACP.
>>30181469
Dumping powder, adding powder.
Changing a load
Entire point of my post.
>>30182003
This guy gets it
Never heard of of a agency, who regulates officers to use one specific factory load, who had a glock blow up.
100 round qual every 3 months.
Officers who go shoot every weekend
Only typical issues were walked out pins in the newer gen 4 grips
Gens two had trigger reset issues at high round counts and RSAs wear in all gens
>>30180750
Were you hoping to accomplish something with that, aside from being incorrect and having nothing to contribute?
>>30182166
>>30182095
but it does have a halfcock, and it also has a fucking firing pin block.
>>30180107
no, when the safe is engaged the firing pin is rotated and the hammer is dropped and it can not be cocked back
>>30177656
Considering how many handguns that weren't Berettas that have been used in his films, I seriously doubt he ever said that.
>>30182178
Dude it has no powder or projectile... Are you drunk?
>>30180803
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n7LL8aAd5Tk&list=UUgcZE5dwMHxNjv8nuowp0nQ&feature=player_detailpage
There has been for almost a decade, but just the one. 50 hours if work and about 1500 bucks after a shitload of research
>>30181235
Design being the key word. Too bad cz is so shitty at the execution
>>30182151
>>30182210
Fellas, learn how to comprehend what you're reading.
How can you have halfcock save you when you have the hammer down all of the time?
>>30182288
Reducing, even to nothing, is still tampering with a load or a form of "handloading"
Typically to get a glock to blow up as he mentioned means you have to use a +p / +p+ or be handloading a load with too much powder.
Seeing as how he's comfortable enough to mess with the powder of a load (even so much that he'll fire it indoors) leads me to an easy speculation that he fucked with a load before, that probably was the cause of blowing his gun up.
Which would happen to ANY fucking gun where you put a load that the gun cannot handle or was not made to tolerate
But faggots, such as you for example dont read and/or understand that and therefore will repeat to others that a glock is an unsafe "glocknade"
>>30182351
Have you ever seen a newtons cradle? The hammer block stops the hammer from making ANY contact with the firing pin so that the hammer can't transfer any energy to said pin is dropped.
Do you think decockers drop the hammer onto the pin?
>>30182351
Why do you insist on posting when it's clear you've never handled one of these guns?
>>30182351
just how retarded are you?
>when the trigger is not pulled completely back, a blocking device secures the firing pin and prevents it from moving forward, even if the weapon should fall from a height and strike the ground muzzle-down.
>>30177607
Not familiar with the M9 but own a 92fs. Liked it, accurate, no "break in period" BS, mags are cheap, plethora of parts availability, got mine for what i think is a good deal. Complaints include long DA pull, ambi safety, and the milled front sight.
out in the "D" spring, WC loprofile safety, and WC short reach trigger. Now i like it a shit-ton better. Plan to swap grips for some wood and repaint the sights to m9 configuration and call it a day. Reccomend everyone shoot one at least once.
>>30182436
>Muzzle down
Still can't in2 reading comp
>>30182506
Also people criticized the size. Handeled one before purchasing, its big. Its a duty/range gun. Can you conceal it? Sure, but you'll meed to dress around it and have some attachment to it when so many other options are available. Its my most accurate 9mm i own and with the improved trigger usually surprises range buddies
>>30182643
literally the dumbest motherfucker on /k/ right here
>>30177607
It's a bit heavy for a 15 round (stock) 9mm...
But the single action trigger is great
The gun is durable as can be and is built like a brick shithouse
Super easy to disassemble and clean
Accurate and low recoil
Reliable
I think they are about $100 overpriced.
BUT they are good guns.
>>30182802
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Holy shit
>>30182917
>how does a firing pin block have anything to do with my retarded shitposts based in ignorance thinking hitting the hammer on a 92fs would make it go off!
you are retarded
>>30182978
If I'm retarded then how the fuck can the gun shoot if something is blocking it?
That's fucking retarded motherfucker
>>30183003
>>when the trigger is not pulled completely back, a blocking device secures the firing pin and prevents it from moving forward
>>30183082
>Drops gun hammer down
>Shears this "firing pin block"
>Kills child
Come on anon just give up, it's just a placebo to make you feel safer with your ticking time bomb.
>>30183166
>not even a good smug anime reaction face
I've never seen someone so consistently btfo
>>30180440
>decocker only
>trusting Jarheads, REMFs, and staff officers with a handgun with no safety.
I like the beretta other than the safety being mounted on the slide. As soon as you want to use the gun faster than casual range time speed, it's trash.
>>30182395
I'm the guy who posted it, dude I've never even owned a glock, it's just a joke we have around here, lighten up, also it's the first time I've ever tampered with any load and I know what I was going was completely safe
>>30183378
Except you know, people that carry it I'm DA or people that actually practices swiping the safety off on the draw like every other gun with a safety
political bumpkinish
BERETTA you say!
>>30178001
Mec-gar makes good affordable mags for it.
>>30183505
>posts something stupid
>gets called stupid
>JEEZE IT'S JUST A JOKE CALM DOWN
Anyone else find the finish flaking off easily and not holding up well to use?
>>30177678
you're only "forced" to carry it so that you don't have to carry your rifle which weighs significantly more. if you're able to that is.
>>30182095
nigga, you dumb.
In any scenario with the 92's design where the hammer should fall without pulling the trigger, the gun will not fire. The firing pin is held captive by the firing pin block. The only way the block will release the firing pin is if the trigger is pulled back far enough.
>>30177662
>trying
>>30177607
My View is that the gun is too large for my hand, Pic Related.
>>30179615
Underrated
>>30187712
Goddamn...
I didn't realize Big Boss was such a manlet.
